On June 11 2013 20:05 inc wrote:
another small input here - in the nordic countries its considers "beautiful" to love everything with immigration, see no wrong with it no matter what happens, its always someone/something else fault, not the immigrants or even the immigration POLITICS - and these people are so much smarter and kind - i was one of those thinking i was just that, but realized REALIZE the truth is actually the smarter thing to do. there is problems with massive immigration - multiculture to some extent yes please, but dont experiment with our lifes by hiding facts and shit from us - thats facist if something.
immigration has always existed, but not in the same way as now, we have to be careful with our political decisions.
in my eyes a slow immigration process is what to strive for, to accomplish a decent multicultural society.
/socialist
is it true that in sweden if an immigrant or someone with a non-swedish name is charged with a crime his identity is withheld/hidden in the major media?
does this also apply to ethnic swedes?
seen some things on the internet claiming they specifically censor out crimes committed by immigrants to dissuade racism or something. kind of crosses a free speech line if true though.
On June 11 2013 20:05 inc wrote:
another small input here - in the nordic countries its considers "beautiful" to love everything with immigration, see no wrong with it no matter what happens, its always someone/something else fault, not the immigrants or even the immigration POLITICS - and these people are so much smarter and kind - i was one of those thinking i was just that, but realized REALIZE the truth is actually the smarter thing to do. there is problems with massive immigration - multiculture to some extent yes please, but dont experiment with our lifes by hiding facts and shit from us - thats facist if something.
immigration has always existed, but not in the same way as now, we have to be careful with our political decisions.
in my eyes a slow immigration process is what to strive for, to accomplish a decent multicultural society.
/socialist
is it true that in sweden if an immigrant or someone with a non-swedish name is charged with a crime his identity is withheld/hidden in the major media?
does this also apply to ethnic swedes?
seen some things on the internet claiming they specifically censor out crimes committed by immigrants to dissuade racism or something. kind of crosses a free speech line if true though.
I cant say for certain but im calling bs on that. Swedish media in general is very conservative when it comes to publishing names of people convicted or or suspected of crime. They will post name and/or ethnicity if it is in any way relevant to the crime in question. There may be some weird self censoring going on by the media but it is in now way something that is going on systematicly. The people who usually complain about these things are those that desperately want to make everything about race/ethnicity. I mean, usually its not relevant if the murderer had black hair or blonde, except for people thinking there must be a direct link between the dark hair and the murder. Most swedes, including those working in the media I think agrees that there is no causality between being of a certain race and commiting crime, thus they wont see it as relevant. Now if you are suspicious of the muslim crime rates in sweden the statistics are all open to the public so its not like its a coverup or something.
This whole "muslim infiltraton" stuff is so depressing to me. Its happening again. 70 something years it took. Now again. In europe! The economy goes in the shit and sooner or later someone decide those weird ppl with that other god are responsible for everything shitty thats happening. I mean come on ffs. Like its the muslims that is the core of the problem. The economy goes to shit, those hit hardest are the lower classes of society. Waddayaknow in some european countrie sa quite significant portion of the underclass are muslims(many first generations coming from shit with no skills so its to be expected) so when the poor start acting out cause they got fucked hard by jp morgan some moron again decides that its somehow their evil blood and their evil god thats just making them super evil for no other reason so we should throw them out. Its not a volotile economic system fucking us over, its not incompetent politicians and world leaders all fucking us over hardcore. No, its gotta be the poorest most discriminated and the least influential group in society, those dirty dark skinned imigrants, all in a huge conspiracy to take over the west and fuck our women. They are at it again!
Im not denying there are problems with islam, as there is with all religions. But if you think some retarded gangsters running around east london trying to impose sharia law on people are the real and true core of europes problems right now then just stop it. Cause you are at it again
On June 10 2013 10:10 Liquid`Drone wrote:
the ultimate reason why I am pro immigration has little to do with my personal life in norway. I just idealize this world where the birth lottery doesn't completely define your future happiness. That is, I don't see how I am more entitled to wealth and prosperity through being born by a norwegian woman in norway than someone born into desperate poverty in somalia.
happiness is a pretty wide concept. as i see it we always go out from our own perception of happiness, so we see someone in only a hut and a loincloth and think he must be unhappy cause he has, in our opinion, nothing.
however this guy could be the happiest man in the world because he finally caught a boar or a fish yesterday after not eating for 2 days. but when you show him a picture of a trawler with 50 tons of fish on board he ofcourse would want to move to a place where catching fish is that easy.
i guess what i am trying to say is: ignorance is bliss.
so true, studies even says poor tribes in africa and such are much happier then the western modern man. technology has overrun us, we cant cope - so much performance anxiety, simply so many "musts" while they are more where we are biologically evolutionwise in their societys, more basic needs - food, roof over your head etc. very good post!
This type of stuff is really interesting to me. Despite all of our advancement in equality, technology, medicine, sanitation, etc I sincerely doubt humans as a whole are happier now than they were in the past. In our personal lives nobody would want to take a step back and everyone wants as much advancement for himself knowing the option is out there. But whether advancement really helps humanity from a happiness perspective I'm not sure about that at all.
this quote comes to mind:
"Ah, how little you know of human happiness - you comfortable and benevolent people! For happiness and unhappiness are brother and sister - or even twins who grow up together - or in your case - remain small together! "
One could argue that it's impossible to know greater states of happiness without also knowing it's equivalent unhapiness; maybe that explains what you guys are talking about
this is true for the western man aswell. but you have a point! no the full answer tho, they see the little things as huge things, while we strive for the new phone, new computer new everything, constantly WAITING for happiness, while they live it.
On June 12 2013 19:57 Liquid`Drone wrote:
also the whole happiness thing.. I think that's very hard to actually measure beyond just asking people whether they self-identify as happy. which I guess is a fairly good measurement. But either way, I can accept that like, norwegian prosperity and wealth and security doesn't grant happiness by itself. and I can accept that certain aspects of western society (especially stress and pressure to be successful) are likely to be detrimental towards happiness in a way that might just make today's society "less happy" than societies of the past.
However I don't see how that's really relevant to the whole, encouraging/allowing the pursuit of happiness to cross country lines, because I would assume that anyone who flees their country, be it for reasons of security or prosperity, is not happy with their point of departure. the average for their country or the average for people in their particular position in society is irrelevant, as happiness is highly individual and impossible to determine based on outwardly factors.
How many of the immigrants actually ''fled'' their country? i think most western immigrants from islamic countries were cheap labor that stayed and started families here bringing over wifes and family. i know this at least is the case with the dutch muslims.
The people that actually flee their country are the ones that get deported back nowadays.
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Royal_Rumble Germany. Jun 14 2013 12:52. Posts 1760
The way I see it is that they fled their home countries because of the bad conditions over there and the lack of chances to start a career and a family, that's why we mostly see young men arriving from Arab and Muslim countries
The women in their age are probably the 3rd or 4th wives of some muslim clerics or rich businessmen.
In Europe we have no job offers for these men and european women are not too fond of lowskilled immigrants, so basically they can't get any pussy, neither here nor in their home countries, which leads to frustration and agressive behaviour. Also young men who do not have to worry about a job and wife are much more likely to join radical and/or militant political movements or criminal gangs, so in my opinion it has only partly to do with Islam, but more with a surplus of young men that are needed nowhere.
However, the values and beliefs of Islam are a big obstacle to integration and it should be possible to talk about it in Europe without being called a racist.
In Europe we have no job offers for these men and european women are not too fond of lowskilled immigrants, so basically they can't get any pussy, neither here nor in their home countries, which leads to frustration and agressive behaviour. Also young men who do not have to worry about a job and wife are much more likely to join radical and/or militant political movements or criminal gangs, so in my opinion it has only partly to do with Islam, but more with a surplus of young men that are needed nowhere.
However, the values and beliefs of Islam are a big obstacle to integration and it should be possible to talk about it in Europe without being called a racist.
This is sort of my point. If the economy is bad and job prospects are low, why is suggesting the idea of stopping / severely reducing immigration always met with overall backlash in Europe.
It seems a bit cruel to offer immigration opportunities to people knowing that their prospects will be poor upon arrival.
On September 08 2008 10:07 Baal wrote: my head is a gyroscope, your argument is invalid
immigration for menial labor was meant to get cheap/free labor back when manual labor was the only option. The problem is not as complex if you stop calling people racists. Now that machinery, automation and technology allows business to operate without people, were left with altruistic constructs fucking you in the ass. Stop letting useless people you dont really need. Of course nobody bothered to look into it when the economy was great, basic human nature- doesnt mean they just invented this problem
On June 11 2013 20:05 inc wrote:
another small input here - in the nordic countries its considers "beautiful" to love everything with immigration, see no wrong with it no matter what happens, its always someone/something else fault, not the immigrants or even the immigration POLITICS - and these people are so much smarter and kind - i was one of those thinking i was just that, but realized REALIZE the truth is actually the smarter thing to do. there is problems with massive immigration - multiculture to some extent yes please, but dont experiment with our lifes by hiding facts and shit from us - thats facist if something.
immigration has always existed, but not in the same way as now, we have to be careful with our political decisions.
in my eyes a slow immigration process is what to strive for, to accomplish a decent multicultural society.
/socialist
is it true that in sweden if an immigrant or someone with a non-swedish name is charged with a crime his identity is withheld/hidden in the major media?
does this also apply to ethnic swedes?
seen some things on the internet claiming they specifically censor out crimes committed by immigrants to dissuade racism or something. kind of crosses a free speech line if true though.
I cant say for certain but im calling bs on that. Swedish media in general is very conservative when it comes to publishing names of people convicted or or suspected of crime. They will post name and/or ethnicity if it is in any way relevant to the crime in question. There may be some weird self censoring going on by the media but it is in now way something that is going on systematicly. The people who usually complain about these things are those that desperately want to make everything about race/ethnicity. I mean, usually its not relevant if the murderer had black hair or blonde, except for people thinking there must be a direct link between the dark hair and the murder. Most swedes, including those working in the media I think agrees that there is no causality between being of a certain race and commiting crime, thus they wont see it as relevant. Now if you are suspicious of the muslim crime rates in sweden the statistics are all open to the public so its not like its a coverup or something.
This whole "muslim infiltraton" stuff is so depressing to me. Its happening again. 70 something years it took. Now again. In europe! The economy goes in the shit and sooner or later someone decide those weird ppl with that other god are responsible for everything shitty thats happening. I mean come on ffs. Like its the muslims that is the core of the problem. The economy goes to shit, those hit hardest are the lower classes of society. Waddayaknow in some european countrie sa quite significant portion of the underclass are muslims(many first generations coming from shit with no skills so its to be expected) so when the poor start acting out cause they got fucked hard by jp morgan some moron again decides that its somehow their evil blood and their evil god thats just making them super evil for no other reason so we should throw them out. Its not a volotile economic system fucking us over, its not incompetent politicians and world leaders all fucking us over hardcore. No, its gotta be the poorest most discriminated and the least influential group in society, those dirty dark skinned imigrants, all in a huge conspiracy to take over the west and fuck our women. They are at it again!
Im not denying there are problems with islam, as there is with all religions. But if you think some retarded gangsters running around east london trying to impose sharia law on people are the real and true core of europes problems right now then just stop it. Cause you are at it again
didnt read your entire post but noticed you called bs on the "hiding most criminals are immigrants %-wise". this has been common for years, obviously the mainstream media wont say they have done it, be it newspapers or TV. theres plently of proof of this but it is obviously being denied by the constantly "political correct" people. alot of these cases has been talked about, where immigrants are being hidden(blurred)/not saying they are immigrants etc but we have no proof since in sweden we dont have statistics over any of the "problems" that immigration might cause. its no the immigrant in general that is the problem, is our inability to actually see that there are problems with massive immigration from complete other cultures. for example Sweden Democrats (which i dont vote for btw) has to use statistics from norway for like how many % of the rapes, murders, how much money it costs etc etc. cos in Sweden we dont want to see the problem, cos THERE IS NO PROBLEM. there cant be! we are sweden, we are tolerant, we accept everything! massive immigration is the problem, not some stupid "islam will take over the world" shit. its a political matter like any other, how much immigration can a country handle? Sweden with 9-10mil pop has the highest immigration in the world %-wise, we have more immigration NUMBERwise then US from the middle east. cant people atleast acknowledge that it MIGHT cause some minor problems as a start. its politics, not racism.
i savour every bit of the numerous gifts life is offering me, having no worries, goals or regrets, constantly trading time for pleasure
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gororokgororok Netherlands. Jun 16 2013 07:18. Posts 3940
Eriador's comments make complete sense. Stop hating, start loving
On June 11 2013 20:05 inc wrote:
another small input here - in the nordic countries its considers "beautiful" to love everything with immigration, see no wrong with it no matter what happens, its always someone/something else fault, not the immigrants or even the immigration POLITICS - and these people are so much smarter and kind - i was one of those thinking i was just that, but realized REALIZE the truth is actually the smarter thing to do. there is problems with massive immigration - multiculture to some extent yes please, but dont experiment with our lifes by hiding facts and shit from us - thats facist if something.
immigration has always existed, but not in the same way as now, we have to be careful with our political decisions.
in my eyes a slow immigration process is what to strive for, to accomplish a decent multicultural society.
/socialist
is it true that in sweden if an immigrant or someone with a non-swedish name is charged with a crime his identity is withheld/hidden in the major media?
does this also apply to ethnic swedes?
seen some things on the internet claiming they specifically censor out crimes committed by immigrants to dissuade racism or something. kind of crosses a free speech line if true though.
I cant say for certain but im calling bs on that. Swedish media in general is very conservative when it comes to publishing names of people convicted or or suspected of crime. They will post name and/or ethnicity if it is in any way relevant to the crime in question. There may be some weird self censoring going on by the media but it is in now way something that is going on systematicly. The people who usually complain about these things are those that desperately want to make everything about race/ethnicity. I mean, usually its not relevant if the murderer had black hair or blonde, except for people thinking there must be a direct link between the dark hair and the murder. Most swedes, including those working in the media I think agrees that there is no causality between being of a certain race and commiting crime, thus they wont see it as relevant. Now if you are suspicious of the muslim crime rates in sweden the statistics are all open to the public so its not like its a coverup or something.
This whole "muslim infiltraton" stuff is so depressing to me. Its happening again. 70 something years it took. Now again. In europe! The economy goes in the shit and sooner or later someone decide those weird ppl with that other god are responsible for everything shitty thats happening. I mean come on ffs. Like its the muslims that is the core of the problem. The economy goes to shit, those hit hardest are the lower classes of society. Waddayaknow in some european countrie sa quite significant portion of the underclass are muslims(many first generations coming from shit with no skills so its to be expected) so when the poor start acting out cause they got fucked hard by jp morgan some moron again decides that its somehow their evil blood and their evil god thats just making them super evil for no other reason so we should throw them out. Its not a volotile economic system fucking us over, its not incompetent politicians and world leaders all fucking us over hardcore. No, its gotta be the poorest most discriminated and the least influential group in society, those dirty dark skinned imigrants, all in a huge conspiracy to take over the west and fuck our women. They are at it again!
Im not denying there are problems with islam, as there is with all religions. But if you think some retarded gangsters running around east london trying to impose sharia law on people are the real and true core of europes problems right now then just stop it. Cause you are at it again
didnt read your entire post but noticed you called bs on the "hiding most criminals are immigrants %-wise". this has been common for years, obviously the mainstream media wont say they have done it, be it newspapers or TV. theres plently of proof of this but it is obviously being denied by the constantly "political correct" people. alot of these cases has been talked about, where immigrants are being hidden(blurred)/not saying they are immigrants etc but we have no proof since in sweden we dont have statistics over any of the "problems" that immigration might cause. its no the immigrant in general that is the problem, is our inability to actually see that there are problems with massive immigration from complete other cultures. for example Sweden Democrats (which i dont vote for btw) has to use statistics from norway for like how many % of the rapes, murders, how much money it costs etc etc. cos in Sweden we dont want to see the problem, cos THERE IS NO PROBLEM. there cant be! we are sweden, we are tolerant, we accept everything! massive immigration is the problem, not some stupid "islam will take over the world" shit. its a political matter like any other, how much immigration can a country handle? Sweden with 9-10mil pop has the highest immigration in the world %-wise, we have more immigration NUMBERwise then US from the middle east. cant people atleast acknowledge that it MIGHT cause some minor problems as a start. its politics, not racism.
why do you even bother writing a wall of text without first reading the other dude's entire post? Do you really think the media should specifically refer to the ethnicity of the person who breaks the law to force the politicians to take action against immigration? (not denying that over-immigration can be a big problem, check Greece's stats they are similar to Sweden's)
Let me tell you what happens when the mass media are shitty like that:
10% nazi party in the recent polls and 18 Parliament members that make other European national socialists seem like pussies.
For years in Greece the retarded news editors thought it's great to refer to eg the Albanian ethnicity of a kidnapper even if the kidnapping happened outside of the Greek borders ( I shit you not, they would not mention any Italians or Russians but they would mention Albanians just because there were many Albanians here)
They would not refer to the ethnicity of Greek law breakers and they would even bury racist motives behind killings, stabbings etc, but they would consistently cultivate fear over how our great nation is under attack by ruthless immigrants.
So now, there you have it after the crisis rolled in, boom! 500k+ voters for a party that praises Hitler semi-openly in a country that suffered a lot in WW2 and certainly can't put the blame on immigrants for the huge economic mess that it is in.
Before you guys start tearing your clothes apart over the unjust media that try to be overly politically correct by covering up what a big problem immigration has become, take a moment to actually think of what could happen if they did what like the media did here for decades.
Do you really think the correct political action is to spread xenophobia just so that the politicians start reading the polls to deal with immigration issues?
What good is solving every immigration problem there is if the people turn into pieces of shit in the process?
new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man...
On June 14 2013 19:13 whamm! wrote:
immigration for menial labor was meant to get cheap/free labor back when manual labor was the only option. The problem is not as complex if you stop calling people racists. Now that machinery, automation and technology allows business to operate without people, were left with altruistic constructs fucking you in the ass. Stop letting useless people you dont really need. Of course nobody bothered to look into it when the economy was great, basic human nature- doesnt mean they just invented this problem
oh I get it
we don't need them for cheap labor now, so let's all turn anti-Islam, it can only be beneficial, right?
How long do you think you would survive in a society that only protects those who are useful?
new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man...
BILAT_POWER!!! Philippines. Jun 16 2013 11:48. Posts 1525
i will email him this thread.
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Jun 16 2013 13:04. Posts 6374
if someone started a new religion, called it 'sons of hitler', promoted killing of non-believers, esp jews, beating women and children, and honor killings, ppl like hackysaki would just flip out and called them morons whenever they dont take part in jew-beatings and call themselves secular or not.
surprisingly these ignorants dont think the same about islam
On June 16 2013 12:04 dogmeat wrote:
if someone started a new religion, called it 'sons of hitler', promoted killing of non-believers, esp jews, beating women and children, and honor killings,
The exact same can be said about christians, yet i dont see you rallying against christians being able to express their faith.
On June 16 2013 12:04 dogmeat wrote:
if someone started a new religion, called it 'sons of hitler', promoted killing of non-believers, esp jews, beating women and children, and honor killings, ppl like hackysaki would just flip out and called them morons whenever they dont take part in jew-beatings and call themselves secular or not.
surprisingly these ignorants dont think the same about islam
Islam... Fuck me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man...
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Jun 16 2013 17:49. Posts 6374
On June 16 2013 12:04 dogmeat wrote:
if someone started a new religion, called it 'sons of hitler', promoted killing of non-believers, esp jews, beating women and children, and honor killings,
The exact same can be said about christians, yet i dont see you rallying against christians being able to express their faith.
On June 16 2013 12:04 dogmeat wrote:
if someone started a new religion, called it 'sons of hitler', promoted killing of non-believers, esp jews, beating women and children, and honor killings,
The exact same can be said about christians, yet i dont see you rallying against christians being able to express their faith.
I think they are equally uncool and bad. Doesnt mean they shouldnt be able to practice their faith as long as they dont break any laws doing it. Thats the point of religious freedom.
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