majority in the netherlands are smart! - Page 6

"Yes, yes, good goyim, let the hate escalate"

seems like the main reason of hate towards various groups. especially religious groups is the humanitarian atrocities committed in the past. we should extend this to all entities or bodies of government that has done similar things like the crusades or worse (holocaust, genocide of the native americans, etc etc) and not just religious groups...seems pretty narrow minded to me.

and lol at judging a religion by what the small crazy vocal minority does...it's like judging all asians that they are all nerdy and good at math just cuz the one you know across the street is. or all black people are good at basketball cuz you see it on tv.

goddamn bigots all of u

every black are good at basketball.
noob.

On June 18 2013 12:04 brambolius wrote: "Yes, yes, good goyim, let the hate escalate"

is it a moneygrubbing jew?

For sure ginobili is muslim

On June 18 2013 22:31 Stroggoz wrote: Show nested quote + On June 18 2013 12:04 brambolius wrote: "Yes, yes, good goyim, let the hate escalate" is it a moneygrubbing jew?

I think the technical term is "Merchant" lol

On June 16 2013 07:08 lebowski wrote: Show nested quote + On June 16 2013 03:55 inc wrote:   On June 14 2013 07:55 SakiSaki wrote:   On June 12 2013 19:18 nolan wrote:   On June 11 2013 20:05 inc wrote: another small input here - in the nordic countries its considers "beautiful" to love everything with immigration, see no wrong with it no matter what happens, its always someone/something else fault, not the immigrants or even the immigration POLITICS - and these people are so much smarter and kind - i was one of those thinking i was just that, but realized REALIZE the truth is actually the smarter thing to do. there is problems with massive immigration - multiculture to some extent yes please, but dont experiment with our lifes by hiding facts and shit from us - thats facist if something. immigration has always existed, but not in the same way as now, we have to be careful with our political decisions. in my eyes a slow immigration process is what to strive for, to accomplish a decent multicultural society. /socialist is it true that in sweden if an immigrant or someone with a non-swedish name is charged with a crime his identity is withheld/hidden in the major media? does this also apply to ethnic swedes? seen some things on the internet claiming they specifically censor out crimes committed by immigrants to dissuade racism or something. kind of crosses a free speech line if true though. I cant say for certain but im calling bs on that. Swedish media in general is very conservative when it comes to publishing names of people convicted or or suspected of crime. They will post name and/or ethnicity if it is in any way relevant to the crime in question. There may be some weird self censoring going on by the media but it is in now way something that is going on systematicly. The people who usually complain about these things are those that desperately want to make everything about race/ethnicity. I mean, usually its not relevant if the murderer had black hair or blonde, except for people thinking there must be a direct link between the dark hair and the murder. Most swedes, including those working in the media I think agrees that there is no causality between being of a certain race and commiting crime, thus they wont see it as relevant. Now if you are suspicious of the muslim crime rates in sweden the statistics are all open to the public so its not like its a coverup or something. This whole "muslim infiltraton" stuff is so depressing to me. Its happening again. 70 something years it took. Now again. In europe! The economy goes in the shit and sooner or later someone decide those weird ppl with that other god are responsible for everything shitty thats happening. I mean come on ffs. Like its the muslims that is the core of the problem. The economy goes to shit, those hit hardest are the lower classes of society. Waddayaknow in some european countrie sa quite significant portion of the underclass are muslims(many first generations coming from shit with no skills so its to be expected) so when the poor start acting out cause they got fucked hard by jp morgan some moron again decides that its somehow their evil blood and their evil god thats just making them super evil for no other reason so we should throw them out. Its not a volotile economic system fucking us over, its not incompetent politicians and world leaders all fucking us over hardcore. No, its gotta be the poorest most discriminated and the least influential group in society, those dirty dark skinned imigrants, all in a huge conspiracy to take over the west and fuck our women. They are at it again! Im not denying there are problems with islam, as there is with all religions. But if you think some retarded gangsters running around east london trying to impose sharia law on people are the real and true core of europes problems right now then just stop it. Cause you are at it again didnt read your entire post but noticed you called bs on the "hiding most criminals are immigrants %-wise". this has been common for years, obviously the mainstream media wont say they have done it, be it newspapers or TV. theres plently of proof of this but it is obviously being denied by the constantly "political correct" people. alot of these cases has been talked about, where immigrants are being hidden(blurred)/not saying they are immigrants etc but we have no proof since in sweden we dont have statistics over any of the "problems" that immigration might cause. its no the immigrant in general that is the problem, is our inability to actually see that there are problems with massive immigration from complete other cultures. for example Sweden Democrats (which i dont vote for btw) has to use statistics from norway for like how many % of the rapes, murders, how much money it costs etc etc. cos in Sweden we dont want to see the problem, cos THERE IS NO PROBLEM. there cant be! we are sweden, we are tolerant, we accept everything! massive immigration is the problem, not some stupid "islam will take over the world" shit. its a political matter like any other, how much immigration can a country handle? Sweden with 9-10mil pop has the highest immigration in the world %-wise, we have more immigration NUMBERwise then US from the middle east. cant people atleast acknowledge that it MIGHT cause some minor problems as a start. its politics, not racism. why do you even bother writing a wall of text without first reading the other dude's entire post? Do you really think the media should specifically refer to the ethnicity of the person who breaks the law to force the politicians to take action against immigration? (not denying that over-immigration can be a big problem, check Greece's stats they are similar to Sweden's) Let me tell you what happens when the mass media are shitty like that: 10% nazi party in the recent polls and 18 Parliament members that make other European national socialists seem like pussies. For years in Greece the retarded news editors thought it's great to refer to eg the Albanian ethnicity of a kidnapper even if the kidnapping happened outside of the Greek borders ( I shit you not, they would not mention any Italians or Russians but they would mention Albanians just because there were many Albanians here) They would not refer to the ethnicity of Greek law breakers and they would even bury racist motives behind killings, stabbings etc, but they would consistently cultivate fear over how our great nation is under attack by ruthless immigrants. So now, there you have it after the crisis rolled in, boom! 500k+ voters for a party that praises Hitler semi-openly in a country that suffered a lot in WW2 and certainly can't put the blame on immigrants for the huge economic mess that it is in. Before you guys start tearing your clothes apart over the unjust media that try to be overly politically correct by covering up what a big problem immigration has become, take a moment to actually think of what could happen if they did what like the media did here for decades. Do you really think the correct political action is to spread xenophobia just so that the politicians start reading the polls to deal with immigration issues? What good is solving every immigration problem there is if the people turn into pieces of shit in the process?

you misunderstand. they show pictures of "swedes but not of immigrants, hide statistics of the % of rape from immigrants and any kind of negative statistics. im not saying its important saying someone is albanian, but discrimination goes both ways. we have the highest rape statistics in europe, and a huge majority of it is from immigrants. facts like this is good, so we can do something about it politically. we need a slower immigration so the problems dont just continue getting worse, and the segregation gets worse every year. we lose billions of SEK every year from immigration. it IS a problem. We have to find ways to integrate them faster and better, and not getting a huge amount of people from a complete different culture, always putting all the immigrants in the same places. ghettos all over Sweden, esp the bigger citys. to talk about this is taboo, that is the problem. we need to investigate this aspect of our society as we do with everything else like school politics, jobs etc etc. you cant compare greece to sweden, you have no idea how political correct we have to be here. talk about immigration in a normal way and ur a racist.

but i deal with it cos dolan fix all.

On June 17 2013 06:24 SakiSaki wrote: Show nested quote + On June 16 2013 16:49 dogmeat wrote:   On June 16 2013 12:15 SakiSaki wrote:   On June 16 2013 12:04 dogmeat wrote: if someone started a new religion, called it 'sons of hitler', promoted killing of non-believers, esp jews, beating women and children, and honor killings, The exact same can be said about christians, yet i dont see you rallying against christians being able to express their faith. I think they are equally uncool and bad. Doesnt mean they shouldnt be able to practice their faith as long as they dont break any laws doing it. Thats the point of religious freedom.

a picture says more then a THOUUUUUUUUUUUUUSAND BILLION words tolerate islam, hate on christianty which isnt slightly as big of a problem as islamism is. its saddening really, that people reason this way and refuse to see problems. im not one of those "ISLAM WILL TAKE OVER THE WORLD" but you cant compare the radicalism concerning islam and christians.

On June 19 2013 10:51 inc wrote: Show nested quote + On June 16 2013 07:08 lebowski wrote:   On June 16 2013 03:55 inc wrote:   On June 14 2013 07:55 SakiSaki wrote:   On June 12 2013 19:18 nolan wrote:   On June 11 2013 20:05 inc wrote: another small input here - in the nordic countries its considers "beautiful" to love everything with immigration, see no wrong with it no matter what happens, its always someone/something else fault, not the immigrants or even the immigration POLITICS - and these people are so much smarter and kind - i was one of those thinking i was just that, but realized REALIZE the truth is actually the smarter thing to do. there is problems with massive immigration - multiculture to some extent yes please, but dont experiment with our lifes by hiding facts and shit from us - thats facist if something. immigration has always existed, but not in the same way as now, we have to be careful with our political decisions. in my eyes a slow immigration process is what to strive for, to accomplish a decent multicultural society. /socialist is it true that in sweden if an immigrant or someone with a non-swedish name is charged with a crime his identity is withheld/hidden in the major media? does this also apply to ethnic swedes? seen some things on the internet claiming they specifically censor out crimes committed by immigrants to dissuade racism or something. kind of crosses a free speech line if true though. I cant say for certain but im calling bs on that. Swedish media in general is very conservative when it comes to publishing names of people convicted or or suspected of crime. They will post name and/or ethnicity if it is in any way relevant to the crime in question. There may be some weird self censoring going on by the media but it is in now way something that is going on systematicly. The people who usually complain about these things are those that desperately want to make everything about race/ethnicity. I mean, usually its not relevant if the murderer had black hair or blonde, except for people thinking there must be a direct link between the dark hair and the murder. Most swedes, including those working in the media I think agrees that there is no causality between being of a certain race and commiting crime, thus they wont see it as relevant. Now if you are suspicious of the muslim crime rates in sweden the statistics are all open to the public so its not like its a coverup or something. This whole "muslim infiltraton" stuff is so depressing to me. Its happening again. 70 something years it took. Now again. In europe! The economy goes in the shit and sooner or later someone decide those weird ppl with that other god are responsible for everything shitty thats happening. I mean come on ffs. Like its the muslims that is the core of the problem. The economy goes to shit, those hit hardest are the lower classes of society. Waddayaknow in some european countrie sa quite significant portion of the underclass are muslims(many first generations coming from shit with no skills so its to be expected) so when the poor start acting out cause they got fucked hard by jp morgan some moron again decides that its somehow their evil blood and their evil god thats just making them super evil for no other reason so we should throw them out. Its not a volotile economic system fucking us over, its not incompetent politicians and world leaders all fucking us over hardcore. No, its gotta be the poorest most discriminated and the least influential group in society, those dirty dark skinned imigrants, all in a huge conspiracy to take over the west and fuck our women. They are at it again! Im not denying there are problems with islam, as there is with all religions. But if you think some retarded gangsters running around east london trying to impose sharia law on people are the real and true core of europes problems right now then just stop it. Cause you are at it again didnt read your entire post but noticed you called bs on the "hiding most criminals are immigrants %-wise". this has been common for years, obviously the mainstream media wont say they have done it, be it newspapers or TV. theres plently of proof of this but it is obviously being denied by the constantly "political correct" people. alot of these cases has been talked about, where immigrants are being hidden(blurred)/not saying they are immigrants etc but we have no proof since in sweden we dont have statistics over any of the "problems" that immigration might cause. its no the immigrant in general that is the problem, is our inability to actually see that there are problems with massive immigration from complete other cultures. for example Sweden Democrats (which i dont vote for btw) has to use statistics from norway for like how many % of the rapes, murders, how much money it costs etc etc. cos in Sweden we dont want to see the problem, cos THERE IS NO PROBLEM. there cant be! we are sweden, we are tolerant, we accept everything! massive immigration is the problem, not some stupid "islam will take over the world" shit. its a political matter like any other, how much immigration can a country handle? Sweden with 9-10mil pop has the highest immigration in the world %-wise, we have more immigration NUMBERwise then US from the middle east. cant people atleast acknowledge that it MIGHT cause some minor problems as a start. its politics, not racism. why do you even bother writing a wall of text without first reading the other dude's entire post? Do you really think the media should specifically refer to the ethnicity of the person who breaks the law to force the politicians to take action against immigration? (not denying that over-immigration can be a big problem, check Greece's stats they are similar to Sweden's) Let me tell you what happens when the mass media are shitty like that: 10% nazi party in the recent polls and 18 Parliament members that make other European national socialists seem like pussies. For years in Greece the retarded news editors thought it's great to refer to eg the Albanian ethnicity of a kidnapper even if the kidnapping happened outside of the Greek borders ( I shit you not, they would not mention any Italians or Russians but they would mention Albanians just because there were many Albanians here) They would not refer to the ethnicity of Greek law breakers and they would even bury racist motives behind killings, stabbings etc, but they would consistently cultivate fear over how our great nation is under attack by ruthless immigrants. So now, there you have it after the crisis rolled in, boom! 500k+ voters for a party that praises Hitler semi-openly in a country that suffered a lot in WW2 and certainly can't put the blame on immigrants for the huge economic mess that it is in. Before you guys start tearing your clothes apart over the unjust media that try to be overly politically correct by covering up what a big problem immigration has become, take a moment to actually think of what could happen if they did what like the media did here for decades. Do you really think the correct political action is to spread xenophobia just so that the politicians start reading the polls to deal with immigration issues? What good is solving every immigration problem there is if the people turn into pieces of shit in the process? you misunderstand. they show pictures of "swedes but not of immigrants, hide statistics of the % of rape from immigrants and any kind of negative statistics. im not saying its important saying someone is albanian, but discrimination goes both ways. we have the highest rape statistics in europe, and a huge majority of it is from immigrants. facts like this is good, so we can do something about it politically. we need a slower immigration so the problems dont just continue getting worse, and the segregation gets worse every year. we lose billions of SEK every year from immigration. it IS a problem. We have to find ways to integrate them faster and better, and not getting a huge amount of people from a complete different culture, always putting all the immigrants in the same places. ghettos all over Sweden, esp the bigger citys. to talk about this is taboo, that is the problem. we need to investigate this aspect of our society as we do with everything else like school politics, jobs etc etc. you cant compare greece to sweden, you have no idea how political correct we have to be here. talk about immigration in a normal way and ur a racist. but i deal with it cos dolan fix all.

Got any sources for these claims that they show swedes commiting crimes and not imigrants, or that "a vast majority" of rapes are commited by immigrants? I would guess not because they would be lies. Also would like a source on the claim that immigration costs billions a year, i know you wont find it though because its a retarded notion. Im so sick and tired of swedish democrats like yourself always portraying themselves as victims of cover ups and political correctness. You know they are like the third largest party in sweden right. They have the main stage to debate with the rest of the major swedish parties. Maybe its time to realise that most swedes dont agree with you not because of "political correctness" but rather cause we dont agree with your simplistic and racist views of the problems in sweden. You are acting like a little baby, crying and whining that not enough people agree with you because of some huge media conspiracy when in reality its just your stupid racist thoughts that people dont agree with.

But yeah, you cant say anything racist in sweden because then immediately you are labeled a racist.

On June 19 2013 13:02 inc wrote: Show nested quote + On June 17 2013 06:24 SakiSaki wrote:   On June 16 2013 16:49 dogmeat wrote:   On June 16 2013 12:15 SakiSaki wrote:   On June 16 2013 12:04 dogmeat wrote: if someone started a new religion, called it 'sons of hitler', promoted killing of non-believers, esp jews, beating women and children, and honor killings, The exact same can be said about christians, yet i dont see you rallying against christians being able to express their faith. I think they are equally uncool and bad. Doesnt mean they shouldnt be able to practice their faith as long as they dont break any laws doing it. Thats the point of religious freedom. a picture says more then a THOUUUUUUUUUUUUUSAND BILLION words tolerate islam, hate on christianty which isnt slightly as big of a problem as islamism is. its saddening really, that people reason this way and refuse to see problems. im not one of those "ISLAM WILL TAKE OVER THE WORLD" but you cant compare the radicalism concerning islam and christians.

Are you being ironic in your first statement or are you really talking about the picture where the words on it are the only thing really saying something? I hate and tolerate both religions equally as i have said numerous times and you are trying to make ME the hypocrite. Yes islam right now is a bigger problem, but we are talking about a hugely heterogeneous group here. A moderate muslim has way more incommon with a moderate christian than with a radical islamist and vice versa. Surely a more reasonable aproach would be to combat all religious extremism rather than attacking everyone in the group that currently has the most extremists.

On June 19 2013 15:33 SakiSaki wrote: Show nested quote + On June 19 2013 13:02 inc wrote:   On June 17 2013 06:24 SakiSaki wrote:   On June 16 2013 16:49 dogmeat wrote:   On June 16 2013 12:15 SakiSaki wrote:   On June 16 2013 12:04 dogmeat wrote: if someone started a new religion, called it 'sons of hitler', promoted killing of non-believers, esp jews, beating women and children, and honor killings, The exact same can be said about christians, yet i dont see you rallying against christians being able to express their faith. I think they are equally uncool and bad. Doesnt mean they shouldnt be able to practice their faith as long as they dont break any laws doing it. Thats the point of religious freedom. a picture says more then a THOUUUUUUUUUUUUUSAND BILLION words tolerate islam, hate on christianty which isnt slightly as big of a problem as islamism is. its saddening really, that people reason this way and refuse to see problems. im not one of those "ISLAM WILL TAKE OVER THE WORLD" but you cant compare the radicalism concerning islam and christians. Are you being ironic in your first statement or are you really talking about the picture where the words on it are the only thing really saying something? I hate and tolerate both religions equally as i have said numerous times and you are trying to make ME the hypocrite. Yes islam right now is a bigger problem, but we are talking about a hugely heterogeneous group here. A moderate muslim has way more incommon with a moderate christian than with a radical islamist and vice versa. Surely a more reasonable aproach would be to combat all religious extremism rather than attacking everyone in the group that currently has the most extremists.

You're on of those people that makes me sad about this country. You live in an utopian world mentally, were you can see no problem with immigration. the experiment sweden has had, with the most immigration in modern history, has to atleast cause SOMETHING? Problems or not, something obviously happens. and the racist card again.. while i said nothing racist, typically swedish to pull out that card as soon as someone speaks about immigration. i also stated earlier that i have never, and never will vote for this party. But i think its good that they bring this matter to the table so to speak, their politics is mostly complete shit, immigration politics perhaps too extreme (90% cut of immigrants) i dont know. im just happy people are starting to realize this can be a problem, when we have such a HUGE minorty in our small country, something are bound to happen.

as im in a hurry (midsummer party in sweden) i only had time for some searching, but found atleast some statistics (and no its no "conspiracy" the government simple havent taken this statistics before, so other sources had to do it.)

http://www.migrationsinfo.se/arbetsma...elsattning/internationell-jamforelse/ (browse this site for more info about immigration, both positive and negative info i guess, i question some of it tho.)

http://www.newsmill.se/artikel/2013/03/11/sverige-klarar-inte-s-stor-invandring (a very serious and well known Professor of National Economics found out that immigration costs 110 miljarder SEK (miljarder = billions in english)

he later wrote this book together with some other Professor in etnology and some other person i dont know.
http://www.adlibris.com/se/product.aspx?isbn=9198004220 (the book's title is something like Immigration and the cover-up of it)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Sweden (some statistics)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime (same)

"in 2009 there were 15,700 reported sexual offenses in Sweden, a rise of 8% compared to 2008, of which 5,940 were rape and sexual harassment (including exhibitionism) accounted for 7,590 reports. In April 2009, it was reported that sex crimes had increased by 58% over the previous ten years. According to a 2009 European Union study, Sweden has one of the highest rates of reported rape in Europe."


"People of non-Swedish origin are overrepresented in Sweden's crime statistics. During the period 1997–2001, 25% of the almost 1,520,000 offences were committed by people born overseas, while almost 20% were committed by people with a foreign background who were born in Sweden. Those from North Africa and the Middle East were overrepresented."

"Immigrants are overrepresented in Sweden's crime statistics. In a study by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention in 1997-2001, 25% of the almost 1,520,000 offences were found to be committed by people born abroad, while almost 20% were committed by Swedish-born people with a foreign background. In the study, immigrants were found to be four times more likely to be investigated for lethal violence and robbery than ethnic Swedes. In addition, immigrants were three times more likely to be investigated for violent assault, and five times more likely to be investigated for sex crimes. Those from North Africa and Western Asia were overrepresented.
The report is based on statistics for those "suspected" of offences, but Stina Holmberg of the Council for Crime Prevention said that there was "little difference" in the statistics for those suspected of crimes and those actually convicted.
"Slightly under 60 percent of the almost 1,520,000 offences ... registered during the period covered by the study can be attributed to persons who were born in Sweden to two Swedish-born parents," it said"


another link to a swedish newspaper article: http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/gront-ljus-till-ullenhag-om-invandringsmyt_6739593.svd

cba and dont have time to search for more shit, we all know this in sweden but dont talk bout it, it also depends where you live and what kind of life you have to experience the negative sides of the immigration. i, who has been bit under middle class all my life has experiences i dont want to talk about, but not nice. but i dont judge all immigrants for that. as ive said, the immigrant isnt the problems - its the massive immigration that the country cant handle, that the government refuses to do something about - that is the problem. with a slow immigration it would work i think, im FOR a multicultural society, but it has to be done right. in the last political party leader debate everyone agreed that the immigration in sweden has failed. it shows over and over again, just look at the recent huge riots all over sweden, only in places where almost only immigrants live.

stop living in a dream world SakiSaki, i was once like you, believed everything was great with this and saw myself as an "EVIL" person as soon as i even thought something might be wrong with this - but i as a socialist (always voted for vänsterpartier) has realized there is a problem. i dont dislike immigrants, its not about that - i dislike the politicians who's made this experiment with our nation. i dont blame any other immigrant then those who brake the laws, and the politicians responsible for this failed immigration process. a segregated country cant be good.

if we take in a lower volume of immigrants per year - we can get them jobs faster, the integration will be much easier.


GLHF MIDSUMMER HERE WE GO

rgds,
cin

the great British heritage must be saved. All we need is the old shit conserved, nationalists ftw
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Freedom_Party
this is the right wing party Paul Weston leaded for a while.
Obv Paul Weston doesn't give a shit about race etc he's just an opportunist trying to find a market, because apparently Islamophobia is becoming a thing in europe.

We have a ton of people like this guy in Greece's nazi party saying exactly the same stuff "they accuse us of admiring Hitler, so be it if it's going to save this great country" etc while denying they wrote several articles praising Hitler in their own magazine a few years back. Now they want to tone down the Hitler stuff and focus on the preservation of the great country Greece once was because they had a taste of a bigger audience. Every fucking country seems to have been great at some fucking point and preserving those few fleeting moments seems to be more important than truth, humanism and world peace combined.

Let's all join whamm on his crusade to help the far right wing preserve every country that once was great from the mofos who are commanded by their lord to gangrape our mothers and sisters. Amen

RUN GOOD ONE TIME

Any religion is bad imo.
Just look at the gods and religions and the reason why it was created at first: to explain stuff that could not be rationally explained back in the time. The first religions all had dozens of gods, why? One god for each thing you could not understand: God of fire, god of water, god of everything...

So, technically, religion were invented because of the "ignorance" of people. It's easier to say that God did this, or wants this when there is something you can't explain/understand no? :D

Also if we look at history: most of the biggest wars and killings were done by people claiming to defend/do it for "religious" reasons/gods. And this goes way way back in time.

I have nothing against people who believe in God (and respect their choice) but just one thing: religion brought more wars and dead bodies than any dictators. As for the "good" that religions brought, I'm yet to be proved they brought more than any other "non religious" things.
And for the Christians: the Vatican must be the wealthiest and most powerful state in the world (for their size). If they were that fond of mankind and preaching to help each other, how come there are so many people in the world that are still struggling even eating? Vatican is worth $8 billion... How much of these are used for charity?

Do you guys know how much money they spend to run the "catholic churches" in the US? They spend $170 BILLIONS a YEAR to run their "business" ( $3 BILLIONs "lifetime", i.e for the past 20 years, for settlements of sexual abuse cases by priests and shit): http://www.economist.com/node/21560536

The Economist estimates that annual spending by the church and entities owned by the church was around $170 billion in 2010 (the church does not release such figures). We think 57% of this goes on health-care networks, followed by 28% on colleges, with parish and diocesan day-to-day operations accounting for just 6% and national charitable activities just 2.7% (see chart). In total, Catholic institutions employ over 1m people, reckons Fred Gluck, a former McKinsey managing partner and co-founder of the National Leadership Roundtable on Church Management, a lay organisation seeking to improve the way the church is run. For purposes of secular comparison, in 2010 General Electric’s revenue was $150 billion and Walmart employed roughly 2m people.

That said, I'm not saying catholics are worse than any religion, I was quoting them only because I'm more familiar with it, but any religion is BAD imo.

On June 14 2013 07:55 SakiSaki wrote: Show nested quote + On June 12 2013 19:18 nolan wrote:   On June 11 2013 20:05 inc wrote: another small input here - in the nordic countries its considers "beautiful" to love everything with immigration, see no wrong with it no matter what happens, its always someone/something else fault, not the immigrants or even the immigration POLITICS - and these people are so much smarter and kind - i was one of those thinking i was just that, but realized REALIZE the truth is actually the smarter thing to do. there is problems with massive immigration - multiculture to some extent yes please, but dont experiment with our lifes by hiding facts and shit from us - thats facist if something. immigration has always existed, but not in the same way as now, we have to be careful with our political decisions. in my eyes a slow immigration process is what to strive for, to accomplish a decent multicultural society. /socialist is it true that in sweden if an immigrant or someone with a non-swedish name is charged with a crime his identity is withheld/hidden in the major media? does this also apply to ethnic swedes? seen some things on the internet claiming they specifically censor out crimes committed by immigrants to dissuade racism or something. kind of crosses a free speech line if true though. I cant say for certain but im calling bs on that. Swedish media in general is very conservative when it comes to publishing names of people convicted or or suspected of crime. They will post name and/or ethnicity if it is in any way relevant to the crime in question. There may be some weird self censoring going on by the media but it is in now way something that is going on systematicly. The people who usually complain about these things are those that desperately want to make everything about race/ethnicity. I mean, usually its not relevant if the murderer had black hair or blonde, except for people thinking there must be a direct link between the dark hair and the murder. Most swedes, including those working in the media I think agrees that there is no causality between being of a certain race and commiting crime, thus they wont see it as relevant. Now if you are suspicious of the muslim crime rates in sweden the statistics are all open to the public so its not like its a coverup or something. This whole "muslim infiltraton" stuff is so depressing to me. Its happening again. 70 something years it took. Now again. In europe! The economy goes in the shit and sooner or later someone decide those weird ppl with that other god are responsible for everything shitty thats happening. I mean come on ffs. Like its the muslims that is the core of the problem. The economy goes to shit, those hit hardest are the lower classes of society. Waddayaknow in some european countrie sa quite significant portion of the underclass are muslims(many first generations coming from shit with no skills so its to be expected) so when the poor start acting out cause they got fucked hard by jp morgan some moron again decides that its somehow their evil blood and their evil god thats just making them super evil for no other reason so we should throw them out. Its not a volotile economic system fucking us over, its not incompetent politicians and world leaders all fucking us over hardcore. No, its gotta be the poorest most discriminated and the least influential group in society, those dirty dark skinned imigrants, all in a huge conspiracy to take over the west and fuck our women. They are at it again! Im not denying there are problems with islam, as there is with all religions. But if you think some retarded gangsters running around east london trying to impose sharia law on people are the real and true core of europes problems right now then just stop it. Cause you are at it again

this thread has been quite long, and it was hard to pinpoint what you say so i'm glad that you elaborated.

I basically have 2 thoughts on this (this being this whole convaluted thread about about immigration, muslims, europe, current economy/unemployment)

1) obviously if the whole world blames unemployment and the current state of the economy on mulims, that makes no sense and is ignorant.
2) I don't think it's fair to lump all religions together and fight for a blanket protection/freedom to worship or freedom to religion. Religions come in a wide range and some are more violent or destructive than others. Religions stating holy wars and jhihad 70+ times in their religious texts should be taken more seriously. Religions who teach ultimate pacifism (Like hare krishna) should be taken less seriously.

Although it may boil down to the fanatic fundamentalists of any religion, it's hard not to use profiling in order to use limited resource more effectively.

Not that there is much point debating anything with anyone who is clearly racist, but FYI.

"in 2009 there were 15,700 reported sexual offenses in Sweden, a rise of 8% compared to 2008, of which 5,940 were rape and sexual harassment (including exhibitionism) accounted for 7,590 reports. In April 2009, it was reported that sex crimes had increased by 58% over the previous ten years. According to a 2009 European Union study, Sweden has one of the highest rates of reported rape in Europe."

Assuming your statistics are accurate the term "reported rape" is significant. Most rape goes unreported, in Canada for example only 8% gets reported. Victimization surveys are a much better source of data on this type of crime. So what you're talking about may actually be that Sweden is doing a better job of making victims feel comfortable coming forward. I'd like to see what % are reporting to confirm this.

Secondly, when you discuss a particular type of people being over-represented in the criminal justice system there are sometimes reasons for this. Aboriginals in Canada are massively over-represented in the prison system. This is partially because of racism in enforcement practices, but largely it is because of systemic violence, family, and societal problems that have not been addressed. What has been done to Aboriginals over the past 50-125 years in Canada is one of the most shameful things in our history. You should look more deeply into why certain segments of the population are over-represented.

In terms of your "economist" there are lots of crackpot professors out there. It's not particularly logical that immigration would be "costing" Sweden money. I could be wrong but I suspect that analysis basically just added together all kinds of security, health, and education costs related to immigration but didn't bother to calculate any of the benefits/productivity/tax revenue generated as a result. Having working age people join your population is usually a net positive so I'd question the math/how things were added up and look for more sources.

Either way, you're obviously just one of those ignorant people who look for one statistic or quote and believe it like gospel. Not that most people aren't exactly as stupid as you seem to be. This will be my only post. I don't debate with morons.

There is obviously a simple solution to all problems.
Kill all the religious people and make babies take IQ tests in order to let them live.


P.S. seriously why would any well educated person base his arguments on politically made statistics as if they are not biased towards global political goals and completely biased, that whole "science" could so easily be manipulated its not worth even mentioning unless its analysed by yourself ( yeah im either that ignorant and dumb or maybe im not? )

Also not all religions are bad, from the basic knowledge i have about buddhism i'd say its the only one worth taking a while looking into it. Plus its supposedly the only one which didnt lead to war. Then again I do only have basic knowledge about it so dont take my word for it. Im yet to read more into it, but its concepts make most sense

Also religions are indeed made to serve the ignorance of people, but people mainly misinterpret that and thats why they get involved in something that has nothing to do with religion. Religion is supposed to explain things that science cannot on a spiritual level, untill the science finds the logical explanation about it. Thats also the reaon they go hand in hand and they are very well connected althought the majority of people think they are the 2 opposite sides. All the institutions however have worked hard to make it seem that way

And btw I'm not a religious person, but I do prefer to find the logic behind both things as its one of the global problems throughout our existence

Join me my lp brethren! Lol

Just saying all religion is bullshit retarded. But only one can kill you if you openly bash it amirite?

On June 26 2013 18:55 whamm! wrote: Join me my lp brethren! Lol Just saying all religion is bullshit retarded. But only one can kill you if you openly bash it amirite?

one word: CRUSADES (and that's one example out of many)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

So, I guess you are being wrong