majority in the netherlands are smart! - Page 11

It wasn't the worst Fox video I've seen

The religion of Islam doesnt seem very peacefull to me. And now their leaders in Europe talk about "the ultimate goal is Sharia laws". Fuck no i dont want in my country thank you. If that is so important for them, why dont they move back to Saudia Arabia, Iraq and countries like that ? Oh, because there are no social system handing them 1500$ per month for doing nothing....

Oslo has really turned into a shit city the last 15 years, hookers and gangs everywhere messing up what used to be a beautiful capital. And 41/41 brutal rapes commited by.... Not norwegians ! How can people be so disrespectfull ? When Norwegians immigrated in massive numbers to USA in the old days they didnt do so to top rape statistics and break down their social system. (they didnt even have one, i know) You cant come as a guest / refugee and piss on the country that you visit / saved you.... I dont understand how people can be like that.

I feel European politicians and especially scandinavian ones are extremly naive about this subject. In Russia they banned the Koran and in China they force muslims to sell alcohol and cigarettes. Maybe harsh is the only way to deal with it. Denmark and Finland also deals with Islamic/Sharia problem pretty well. Sweden is a total disaster... And i read their social system is about to break down now because they take in 60.000 (!) every year. We need more China/Russia/Denmark/Finland and less "oh but poor them they are traumatized from war and dont understand its wrong to rape women bla bla" type of people. Im traumatized too from my childhood and i dont rape anyone or talk about stoning women / homosexuals wtf man. Ok Good night

1. Stoning women for being unfaithful. Sharia law
2. Killing a man for homosexuality. Sharia law

The 2 biggest problems.

Isn't it retarded that some people still think Islam is ok. I remember talking with Haypro about his religion (he's the most peaceful islamic guy you can find and he's somewhat smart) and what he told me was just ridicolous. Muslims just do not believe in the concept of freedom and that's the problem.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32674121

kosovo #2

Thai and filipino women also "discriminate" against Islam I was told. They refuse to work for islamic families as "au pair" anymore because there are too many horror stories. So the agencies that hire au pairs dont send them to islamic countries anymore

Shit happening in Macedonia will be really hard to deal with and if it doesn't escalate now it surely will in the upcoming years
Albania is a member of NATO which makes things even more difficult while Macedonia is trying to get into both EU and NATO, but Greece has put the hold onto them ... that might force other countries to thread lightly and let things go out of control

looks like my hometown is getting some publicity lol

On May 12 2015 23:21 whamm! wrote: looks like my hometown is getting some publicity lol

are you in Albania?

It's hard to get a grip on what any Albanian groups end-game goal would be in running a small paramilitary terrorist operation in Macedonia.

Can't tell if the world is going extra crazy lately or if news is just getting better about reporting world events. Syria is a complete clusterfuck, Ukraine is tense, and this Albanian attack in Macedonia seems really strange.

lol sweden

500.000 Refugees to Sweden the next 5 year period.... Are they completly insane ?

They cant even handle everyone they already got :o And no money left (because of immigration)

And then we have this:

"Mens drøyt 20 prosent av Sveriges unge går uten jobb, skal politikerne i Stockholm ha bestemt at det skal ordnes med både jobb, stønad og bolig til IS-krigere som kommer hjem."

Im speechless.... It says something like this: "while 20% of young adults in Sweden are unemployed, politicians in the capital Stockholm decided to arrange work, money and apartment to people that fought for IS and now returned back to Sweden".

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Whats going on in sweden is absurd, and hard to believe. Can you link a source to that info please.

On May 24 2015 17:05 fastriffs wrote: Whats going on in sweden is absurd, and hard to believe. Can you link a source to that info please.

Its in norwegian,... Sweden is a crazy country full of insane people, and the borders are open to Norway....

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/Svenskene-vil-gi-jobb_-penger-og-bolig-til-IS-krigerne-8027369.html

Australia solved the boat immigration problem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT12WH4a92w

I wonder, why are we in Europe pretending this is not the solution ? "Oh lets just get 10.000 into Norway and 100.000 into sweden and this and this and it will soon be over"

No, the problem increases for every year with the european way... Most of the immigrants that travel by boat are not refugees, but people looking for a better economic life (I might have done the same...).

In Norwegian media the boat immigrants are spoken about as "refugees". As if they were fleeing from war / torture. And a high % of the norwegian population buy into this lie. I think there is a big difference between refugees and economic immigrants... Even if I would have done exactly the same in their situation.

Because of Anders Behring Breivik you are not allowed in Norway to speak honestly about problems with Islam or this boat immigration problem anymore. You are then categorized as "racist" or "islamophobe". And in Sweden they consider the Norwegian government as "hatefull" and "Breivik won" when talking about our asyl politics.

Just crazy....

we don't want that to be the solution because we consider it inhumane. That's my reasoning anyway, I hardly claim to be spokesman of Europe- the collective, though.

Anyway, I don't really feel like spending an hour creating a coherent post with arguments following a logical train of thought, so I'm just gonna blurt out a bunch of stuff

With that as a point of departure; Here's the real issue, there is no solution that doesn't suck. While it is true that many migrants are simply trying to escape poverty and make a better life for themselves and that many migrants are not fleeing from actual war (also wow, what a terrible crime this is? why the fuck is it suddenly normalized to talk of this as immoral behavior? This is how every population ever happened to start living where they live now.), it is also true that today is the worst situation since world war 2 in terms of amount of refugees world wide. The Syrian civil war alone accounts for 6.5 million refugees, and while it is true that it is more economically viable to 'help the refugees in their neighboring countries', the neighboring countries have already accepted 3 million people / are involved in their own fights against IS.

So basically either we doom millions of people to misery, or we doom millions of people to misery while helping out a small percentage (for Norway, like 0.3%) Here's the other issue. What does it fucking matter if we have to accept 10000 refugees in Norway? Seriously, in what way is your life going to be negatively influenced by this? If you look at it historically, Norway today is in terms of material wealth, personal safety, opportunity for pursuit of happiness, like, whatever metric you want to use for the well being of its citizens, pretty close to the best place there has ever been, anywhere, to live. To me, it's fucking mindboggling that people look at this, are confronted with a gruesome crisis unfolding through much of the rest of the world, and going, no, I can't possibly reduce my income or access to services by 1% (which is more than the proposed costs of bringing 10000 refugees to the country would entail anyway).

Personally, I think Sweden is basically a fucking shining beacon of decency in an otherwise largely cold and heartless Europe. Go them. At least I can understand the opposition in southern/eastern/partially central europe where they have their own crisis to worry about, but in fucking Norway? We're so rich, wasteful and obsessed with superficiality that it's nauseating even to me, a Norwegian.

sweden is more like a sinking ship lol

See, I can also understand swedish opposition, because 100000 people is genuinely a lot for a country with 9.5million. I just still wanna commend them on it cause I think it's great when politics are decided by humanitarianism rather than economic calculations. But 10k in Norway, (or actually 8k over 3 years which is the agreement our political parties agreed on.. ) that's not gonna make any significant difference in living standard for anyone, aside from the 8000 people who kinda win the lottery (but who are then berated for doing so rather than congratulated).

Yes, definitivly we can manage to reduce our income by 1%. But the problem is this: next year it will 2%, the year after that 3% etc... And soon, we may not have what we take for granted today. The muslims goes to war in their shit holes of countries and will continue to do so, as long as "Jihad" is such a central element of their religion. As Sam Harris said, making muslims look away from "Jihad" would be like asking christians to look away from "Jesus is Gods son". Thats why these countries never develop like ours and constantly going to war (mostly against each others, luckily).

To me it looks too optimistic to think about it as "10.000 now and then it will end". No, next year or in some years another big conflict will happen, and now the biggest party in Norway (which will be Arbeiderpartiet) will go for 25.000 and we lower it another 2%. Arbeiderpartiet acctually decided this year to go from "strict immigration policy" to "human immigration policy" (swedish?). Jens Stoltenberg was a very responsible man.

The boat immigrants from Africa are increasing every year. If the people smuglers in Australia are lieing about "Australia will soften up", imagine what the smuglers are saying to attract customers over to Europe by boat.... It seems like this is also a something you are hopefull will end in some time. Statistics so far says its drasticly going up for every year, and it will probably continue until that. Why would it not ? As long as we are stupid enough to give them exactly what the criminal people smuglers are promising. They dont even have to lie, unlike outside Australia.

Sweden is technically finished as a country. Its just about playing out the end game. Already now 54 "no go zones" all over Sweden, and they keep getting in 100.000 immigrants every year. In despise of a MASSIVE media campaign against SD, and even going away from Democracy in trying to shut them out, 1 out of 3 Swedish people are now voting SD, and 1 out of 4 "Swedes". Instead of helping young ethnical swedes (a very high % of unemployed rate) they are instead helping terrorists fighting for ISIS returning to Sweden with aparments, jobs, money... In Norway at least we are arresting these criminals.

Sweden a shining beacon of decency ? Im afraid not. They are only decent with islamists and muslims for some reason. They are brutal with christian immigrants and are sending them back to Iraq etc like no other country in Europe.

Sweden is now also the rape capital of Europe. By the way. It never used to be that way.

Most people who enter boats to Europe do so with the knowledge that they are unlikely to find prosperity, and with the knowledge that passing over the Mediterranean sea has a 10% mortality rate. They still do it, because they perceive the alternative as worse. Edit: The mortality rate has dropped significantly since April and is no longer that high. Can't find a quick percentage and I have to go. ;p

Read this article; http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015...iterranean-africans-migrant-sea-libya

It has the perspectives from multiple 'migrants' - even ones who state that they want to go to because they're hoping for a job, or because they think getting a Visa to the US will be easier from Europe. But overall, it's a collective story of tragedies, and to ignore these plights because of some fear of future neighborly Jihad (even though these people are mostly fleeing from islamic extremists or political oppression - like Iranian refugees from the 80s, some of the best integrated groups of immigrants the west has ever seen), sorry, I think it's inhumane. If these are the values of western society and culture that are threatened by immigration, then I don't even think they're worth preserving.

also your earlier quote 'Most of the immigrants that travel by boat are not refugees, but people looking for a better economic life'

From this page, http://www.unhcr.org/5592b9b36.html ,which is basically the ultimate authority on this issue

'The large majority of the 137,000 people who crossed the Mediterranean Sea into Europe during the first six months of 2015 were fleeing from war, conflict or persecution, making the Mediterranean crisis primarily a refugee crisis, a UNHCR report released today concludes.'