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RiKD    United States. May 08 2022 05:14. Posts 7656

Let's see if we can do a hand discussion.

NL 10

100bbs effective

Folds to me in CO, I make it 2.5bbs with the QhTh

Player on the button makes it 8bbs

Player is mostly anonymous besides showing some aggression and making sharp bet sizes

SB and BB fold.

I call.

PiO says to call 9.96%. I could have folded. I don't have a randomizer on hand. I just thought it was a call so I called.

Pot: 17.5bbs

Flop: Ts 5d 6d

I check, he bets 6bbs...

What is our plan?

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RiKD    United States. May 09 2022 02:49. Posts 7656

Surely, advancing in poker is a selfish and self-centered pursuit but this is what I am talking about. On this website, no one knows or they don't care. If I had a solver I could just plug this in and it would be settled. So, in essence with this thread I am basically asking, "Hey, anyone with a solver care to solve this spot and share your findings?" I don't really know why anyone would want to do that. There may be some discussion left for an exploitive view of the hand which could also be interesting but I am not holding my breath.


RiKD    United States. May 10 2022 00:53. Posts 7656

Damn it guys!

You are going to make me get Poker Stove and do gypsy math to try and figure this one out?

How about this for some questions:

Is PiO Solver Basic worth it?

Would I be able to solve problems like this?

Would my laptop from 2013 be able to run the damn thing?


Oddeye   Canada. May 10 2022 16:23. Posts 5075

Call is probably the plan with tp, it's a pretty std cb from his side. If he makes a big bet on turn I'd probably fold at these stakes, another smallish I might call and fold to a river bet. This is without solver. Solver would probably take very long on your computer even if it is a rather std scenario.

People generally advice against flatting 3bs OOP, it's more of a 4b/fold scenario. QTs isn't the best hand to 4b over tho, the Ax followed by Kx (even the low one) are fine as a bluff.

 Last edit: 10/05/2022 19:44

RiKD    United States. May 10 2022 20:18. Posts 7656

I wasn't sure if I would get any responses on this. Thank you Oddeye for responding. I thought about raising but I think I am just getting owned in that spot.

Turn:

Ts 5d 6d Jd

29.5 in the pot.

I think and check.

He shoves in 85 bbs in there.

What if he bets 21 bbs?

What if it's

Ts 5d 6d 2c?

What is the most budget of desktops to run PiO at a reasonable rate? Best bang for buck type of situation?


Oddeye   Canada. May 10 2022 23:00. Posts 5075

It would really help to have at least a partial read or stats but Id pretty much just fold to both these bets without a clue about the player. Sure you could totally getting be bluffed with this shove but I mean at these pot odds you better be damn sure you are right.

I think there has to be thread about what which solver is the best I have GTO+ it wasnt that pricey, something like 100$. Still gotta be able to run the software tho.


RiKD    United States. May 11 2022 04:00. Posts 7656

What do you guys think of this?


Stroggoz   New Zealand. May 12 2022 21:41. Posts 5102

100% fold pre. I've actually done a lot of work studying nl10 since its easy to get 30million hand population sample at this level. People have a far strong range preflop here than what pio would have..if you plug in their preflop range it will prob be folding KQs here preflop. It is optimal to play extremely nitty vs 3bets and 4bets at nl10. As played i'd fold to shove, i really doubt they have AdK enough of the time.

If you want access to resources like hand histories you should prob start reading the poker russian forums and shit, lol. Make accounts on poker forums and discord channels and eventually the right shady people will message you.

If you have a 2013 laptop then yes pio is fine on it...but you have to compromise by giving opponents no more than 2 bet sizes on each street, and solving to .5-1% accuracy. Look into methods for tree size triming.

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RiKD    United States. May 13 2022 01:17. Posts 7656

Interesting. I should also learn how to play better in 3+ way limped pots from the SB and like 4 way single raised pots in any position. I used to be extremely loose in attacking limped money which is fine if they are mostly folding too much or playing really poorly or getting tilted but a lot of these limp/cally guys can be kind of unpredictable post flop. Their ranges are going to suck so that is a good thing but I don't want to have 2h4h in the CO with a button call, big blind call, limper call. Flops and more can be annoying to play. Obv can get slightly looser than total nit or PiO solver. I do believe there is less 3betting and 4betting going on. But, honestly, I have realized there are no antes so it's wise to just play about PiO tight and stick with it for the most part although I will adjust 3bet calling ranges and 4betting ranges as well as 5betting ranges.

Also, LOL at joining russian forums and discord. I'll have to look into that. I already know my screen name.

Thanks for the PiO info.


Stroggoz   New Zealand. May 13 2022 06:22. Posts 5102

Do you sim with rake? It changes preflop ranges a lot at nl10. More rake=defend less and open wider.

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RiKD    United States. May 14 2022 03:24. Posts 7656

I want to say the rake structure is this:

1-2 players in the pot 5% rake 5bb cap
3-4 players in the pot 5% rake 10bb cap
5-6 players in the pot 5% rake 20bb cap

What I do is I have pf charts derived from PiO and use the 4.5% rake at 8bb cap. That's as close as I can find.

I still need to figure out what I am going to do about opening. 2bbs seems too small. I get too many callers and bb defends. 2.5bbs seems optimal but I have to type it in each time and that gets maddening or jurojin lags out my games. 3bbs it just feels like people 3bet more. I don't know what to do.


RiKD    United States. May 14 2022 04:56. Posts 7656

I've decided on .22. Easier to type in than .25 and I don't think ppl adjust to me opening a little wider versus the .25.


RiKD    United States. May 14 2022 06:48. Posts 7656

I think I call too much in some spots. The difficult thing is everyone is anonymous and I can't even see mucked cards in the re-player. There are some types that take a line at a certain rhythm and it is basically never a bluff. But, there are other types that take a line at a certain rhythm and it's over-bluff city. I also think I am playing too weak in some spots but if they are under-bluffing it is probably correct. I think I probably need PiO to sort this all out. I don't know if it's a matter of just playing more and paying attention or getting into PiO and really figuring these spots out.


hiems   United States. May 24 2022 13:54. Posts 2979


  On May 14 2022 05:48 RiKD wrote:
I think I call too much in some spots. The difficult thing is everyone is anonymous and I can't even see mucked cards in the re-player. There are some types that take a line at a certain rhythm and it is basically never a bluff. But, there are other types that take a line at a certain rhythm and it's over-bluff city. I also think I am playing too weak in some spots but if they are under-bluffing it is probably correct. I think I probably need PiO to sort this all out. I don't know if it's a matter of just playing more and paying attention or getting into PiO and really figuring these spots out.



probably none of those things u prob arent good preflop and arent using common sense/focus/tilt control. that's all it takes to beat nl 10.

what is ur winrate and #of hands played

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hiems   United States. May 24 2022 14:04. Posts 2979

likely you are worrying too much about what pio says instead of just playing

for example if you are in the small blind and 3bet the button opener, the button opener fish 4bets, and pio says shove A5s you would be an idiot to do this because fish are not going to be 4bet bluffing or folding enough to make this work....but if you follow pio here you are going to get lit up.

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hiems   United States. May 24 2022 14:45. Posts 2979

ur much better off watching play and explains than using pio

keep it simple stupid

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RiKD    United States. May 25 2022 00:06. Posts 7656

I haven't played 50k hands so nothing really matters.

I think the charts are a good groundwork to build off of. It will take a while to memorize the charts and I would like pio to just look at irt certain post flop spots that come up. If I thought pio was worth it I would have bought it by now but no I bought a Run It Once subscription and Poker Tracker 4. Which I still have issues with Run It Once because I basically only trust Sauce and Jungle.


RiKD    United States. May 25 2022 00:33. Posts 7656

Gogol's Nose is cool too but other than that I have no idea who these people are.

Furthermore, I haven't even been able to play because Ignition has been down so much. Jurojin lags the games. Table Ninja II doesn't work. Stack and Tile doesn't work. And Table Tamer may work but Ignition has been down. I was really getting the poker bug too but Ignition being down made me realize I like friends and I started painting again. Not to say I don't like poker because it has been fun but I'm sick of Ignition's bull shit. If I could just have a nice setup where I can 4-6 table, have some betting hotkeys, and a random number generator I would be golden. Before you mosquito buzz around about a RNG: I am slightly autistic and it makes me happy.


hiems   United States. May 25 2022 00:43. Posts 2979

Ignition is the best option you have

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RiKD    United States. May 25 2022 01:21. Posts 7656

Well, that option hasn't let me play in 4 days.

It's absurd to me that they would deny a 10 NL grinder action but I honestly think it's not impossible. They don't want me in the games and they don't want to pay out my bonus. They want me punting in the casino.

Someone in discord mentioned I should play ACR instead. I honestly don't think I trust either of these sites and maybe playing poker was not meant to be besides some home game with friends.


 
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