Girah - scammer - Page 14

On August 12 2011 22:18 wobbly_au wrote: Vannila u got a 2p2 account to post my accusation for me?

i do have one, but its not that hard to create a poker forum account. not sure if you believe you were cheated, why you wouldn't just go post yourself.

i actually met wcg in sept 09 when he was on that heater. the conversations i had with him that day makes me doubt he did a trojan type scam. they were along the lines of "poker can be so brutal at times, but the highs are the greatest ever. nothing is better than when you are on a heater".

its amazing how strong the 'investigative anti-scammer-anti-angle' instinct is in all of us

On August 12 2011 21:24 wobbly_au wrote: there was a week about a year and a half ago where i played WCG|rider HU over 4 tables of 10/20 everyday, I lost about 40k to him. At that point he was only a midstakes fullring breakeven reg, I felt cheated but just assured my self he was just really good at headsup~~` Given I now know hes good buddies with DIH I feel a little worried and cheated..

Ill post this if you link me to the thread you want it posted in.


Seems like a reasonable allegation, given what is now known about DIH and the state of WCGRiders PTRs
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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19/...snl-players-30-000-nvg-xpost-1079436/

You are the absolute champ brynesam

How can you doubt this guy...

could you link those graphs and also say there were also 25/50 and he kept trying to get me to play higher, whilst him never really playing that high.
He didnt run absolutely hot, it was just consistent destruction in headsup over a week.

just link this post imo.

On August 12 2011 21:24 wobbly_au wrote: there was a week about a year and a half ago where i played WCG|rider HU over 4 tables of 10/20 everyday, I lost about 40k to him. At that point he was only a midstakes fullring breakeven reg, I felt cheated but just assured my self he was just really good at headsup~~` Given I now know hes good buddies with DIH I feel a little worried and cheated.. Can someone with a 2p2 account post that for me?

This is amazing, i lost exactly 40k vs this guy too 6 tabling hu one day, he seemed terrible tho and I just played even worse than him + run horrible and tilted so I didn't think much at the time, but yea seemed pretty weird that a midstakes b/e player wanted high stakes HU action so bad

if u have msn add me locoo,

maybe one of us should read/liase with whats happening on 2p2. It might be too late for money to get returned but atleast need to get the story out.

there was a time he was playing me 4 tables around that same time and seemed pretty good

i raped him though so who cares

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afaik rider has been known to be just a marginal winner at midstakes, doing some 25nl propbet then really just breaking even/losing at midstakes after. But he since he was a bit popular/influential in the 2p2 community I always thought he had some kind of coaching coz he was suddenly playing 5knl games and winning a lot there which was really weird

On August 13 2011 00:54 PoorUser wrote: there was a time he was playing me 4 tables around that same time and seemed pretty good i raped him though so who cares + Show Spoiler +

pity i couldnt out monster him, i tried tho for 7 fucking days straight. Was prob my worst poker experience, just getting owned every night.

On August 13 2011 01:00 whamm! wrote: afaik rider has been known to be just a marginal winner at midstakes, doing some 25nl propbet then really just breaking even/losing at midstakes after. But he since he was a bit popular/influential in the 2p2 community I always thought he had some kind of coaching coz he was suddenly playing 5knl games and winning a lot there which was really weird

and after that he was back at nl200 6max and sucking again

Wcg rider responded:
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Timeline of events in poker career 2007 - Begin playing poker online 2008 - Drop out and move to Vegas to pursue playing poker profesinally 2009 - up until mid 2009, my goal is mainly to play tons of tables and rb graph, evident in this thread/graph [url]http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54/poker-beats-brags-variance/my-2-year-poker-career-graph-inside-528686/[/url] Mid 2009 begin playing primarily hu/6 on pokerstars/FTP. I lower tables, and begin to use some aggressive br management, i have a large sept at 10/20. I noted a particularly bad opponent, wobbly_au. He played exceptionally tight, and owuld spew wildly in some hands. Here are the graphs/opponents [url]http://www.pokertableratings.com/ultimate-grinder/10-20/2009-09[/url] He would tilt absolutely terribly and if he ever had top pair it was going in regardless of the situation. This prompts me to make this douchey thread [url]http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54/poker-beats-brags-variance/ty-wobbly-612134/[/url] from the 3rd to the of this month, i devolped some sort of 5/10 grudge match vs urnotindanger. Were we played many sessions vs each other. This would be wierd as urnot and jungle are close friends Anyway, I used a lot of that money to buy a house in las vegas, seen here. [url]http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54/poker-beats-brags-variance/brag-bought-new-house-las-vegas-624151/[/url] Later that year i went on a bigger run, with days on xmas such as this one. This was mostly vs Nekotyan, but I also had played Nanonoko all morning. I won a considerable amount off of nano, and moved 50k over to play vs nekotyan. Here are my account, and jungles both playing high stakes at the same time, on the BIGGEST day either of my accounts has ever seen. 2010 - [early] I lost a lot of money to xblink, and ended up moving down severely in stakes. Here i post an xblink hand [url]http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19/high-stakes-pl-nl/nl-10k-180-bb-deep-vs-xblink-709391/[/url] [my sn on UB is TehchampsBack, not wcgrider, hands should line up.] 2010 - [rest of the year] over the rest of the year, i drop stakes considerably, and play a lot of hands. Almost none of the ptr profit is last year, so i doubt anyone cares about this. If anyone wants any specific clarification id be more then happy to post. Earlier this year i was tired of grinding lower stakes, so i applied for a stake at higher levels of hu again. I made this thread. Feb 22nd 2011 - [url]http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/135/staking/closed-seeking-nl-600-nl-2000-hu-6m-stake-985365/[/url] If you look at the timing of when i jump back up in stakes, again, its directly following this. Feb 23rd 2011 - (upswinging begins) But also, if you look at my year long graph. Look at my graph in bb and then in money If Jungle was on my account, and I won 100k on that stake. When exactly did he play on my account? This sort of brings us to todays date. Timeline in events of knowing jungle [B]2010 - [between april-Juneish] Jungle messages me regarding training pua coaching for poker coaching. I accept, and part of the deal is he comes to las vegas and gets to stay with me. All hands are still played on the WCGRider account are played by me. The following thread doesnt really prove anything, except for the general timelines im suggesting above had at least taken place before June 6th. [url]http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54/poker-beats-brags-variance/just-lost-15-1-crane-betting-jungleman12-802072/[/url] Now, look at my stars ptr by time. Check out June 7th, look at money won. It was almost all won in late 2009, whereas i didnt even know jungle, and he had never stayed with me until 2010. Doesnt makes sense for it to be jungle. IMO 2010 - [Later on throughout the year]. Jungle returns the maryland, then comes back a couple times throughout the year. ' 2011 - Jungle comes to stay with me during wsop, then shortly thereafter gets a place at aria. I dont think there is really any correlation here between my account and jungle. Im again more then willing to post any specifics necessarily to get to the bottom of this and help figure things out if anyone would like something from me. I know there are people in this thread i have won a bunch of money off of, if you would like to talk privately about it as well and i can show you my strategic thinking behind my decisions and look through my databases to prove it wasnt jungle playing you, id be willing to do that as well. ~Doug

seems like a pretty thorough response. having played jungleman for a reasonable amount of hands im pretty sure when at least i played wcgrider it was not jungleman on his account around the same time you did

Im currently playing a session so I may have missed something but In my opinion he proves nothing with that post,

Firstly to clear my name, i never grim unless that guy has grimmed me b4(i take a note and grim it back). they are just trying to make me look back or less credible because i grimmed someone??

also somehow suggesting jungleman played on his own account proves he didnt play on wcg|riders at the same time is ridiculous.

I understand my case is hard to prove but try and understand this.

A breakeven reg (even slightly losing) at 200nl over a million hands beats me (3.5million hand winner across mid stakes), locoo (respectable highstakes player), nano (3ptbb winner over millions of hands) and not breaking a sweating. Rider playing 10 times his normal stakes against big winners of the limit then you add him beating nearly everybody else and asking to go even higher in stakes.

That is already a stange story, now after a while of his highstake HU killing spree he goes back to 400NL or w/e and cant win anymore?

How can you explain that?

can someone Xpost that for me?

maybe just get your own fucking acc if you are so eager to pursue something this far fetched lol

ok i will, but this isnt far fetched at all.

The guy cant beat 200NL then beats 5kNL then cant beat 200nl..

wtF??

You guys can't deny that it's really fucking weird, losing midstakes FR player suddenly wakes up craving HU action as high as he can get vs anyone? Actually I'm not sure if he chosed the players or played just about anyone, I gotta say I was pretty bad at the time at HU so he might've just been bumhunting me.

Dunno about you guys but I've never seen that happen. Ever. And I think it's enough for some investigation.

I mean if the guy really played on his own more power to him. But with all the shit that's been going on it's more than possible that something weird went on with that gang.

EDIT: Actually I just read and browsed the links he put on his response etc and it seems very credible, I'm sorry for doubting him.

http://www.subjectpoker.com/2011/08/interview-with-jungleman-about-girah/

...."Cates, however, had offered very little response to the situation until agreeing to do an interview with me yesterday. He agreed to allow Venessa Selbst, a respected high stakes poker player, to join the interview as well. Just hours after that interview concluded, Cates’s publicist contacted me to inform me that Cates had lied to us and that he would like to do another interview to explain. Both interviews appear below..."


It has an audio portion.