Girah - scammer - Page 10

On August 09 2011 13:36 Daut wrote: Isn't it pretty easy to fake good results? Can't you just filter your HEM to "vpip=true" and your winrate skyrockets. Or filter out something like the small blind. Either way you take out a ton of hands you lose money and winrate goes way up

You can go into database managment and purge losing sessions... if you are a 1bb winner and purge every second losing session and every big one you will be 4BB/100 winner

and article from pokerstrategy.com by Jared Tendler about Girah

Why did Girah scam people? Why did he lie to them? What was he thinking? Here are answers to those questions from a mental health counselor's point of view. The following article was written by Jared Tendler who has a master’s degree in counseling psychology, is a licensed mental health counselor, and works as a mental game coach for poker players. Jared already wrote an article in two parts for PokerStrategy.com. Why do people cheat or steal? Money, fame, ego, entitlement, desperation? Ironically, some of the same traits that lead people to be highly successful in any walk of life are the same ones that can lead someone to cheat. Journalist Jon Ronson recently highlighted this in his book, The Psychopath Test, a survey that found 4% of CEO’s have strong psychopathic tendencies – compared with 1% for the general population. Four times more likely! In their assent to the top, CEOs used traits that it could be argued Girah used when he scammed several high stakes players: Cunning charm, pathological lying, callousness towards others, manipulation, superiority complex, among other traits common of socio- or psychopaths. They’re generally very bright and use their intelligence to outwit people considered beneath them and 'deserved to be scammed' because of that fact. The sport of cheating Cheating is an inevitable part of sports, whether it is steroids, points shaving, taking dives, faking disabilities, bribing officials, or attacking figure skaters. Most sports cheaters wouldn’t actually be considered criminals for their on the field actions, but if you think about the money stolen though contracts, endorsement deals, and missed opportunities for their opponents, they should be considered that way. Girah is a cheater of a different sort. He didn’t just cheat; he scammed, defrauded, or stole (depending on which verb you prefer) money from players he conspired against. He used his stature in the poker community and a manufactured persona as a down-to-earth "prodigy" to develop trusting relationships with his victims. It was this relationship, that he tried desperately to leverage (see the chat logs) as the scam started to break down, by astute people who trusted their guts enough to figure out whether it was true or not. Looking closer at his only statement, along with the chat logs that were posted, is evidence of a person so arrogant, conceited, or full of himself, he believed his confession would satisfied a poker community already fed up with this kind of bullshit. Dissecting the statements When looking at it closely, remember this fact: Under emotional stress people revert back to a more instinctive, basic skill set – you see what they really are like. They aren’t thinking clearly because they can’t access higher brain functions that would allow them to make better informed decisions or statements. These are the parts of his confession that stands out to me, to fit this category the most: 1) He tried to play the youth card, saying he was young, did something stupid, and wondered outloud, "I hope it doesn’t define me; I hope that how I deal with this and move forward is the thing that does". Young and stupid defense doesn’t work for someone who has embraced the "prodigy" label, yet he thought it would fly? He thought people would believe that being naïve would excuse manipulating and stealing from his friends. The reason I think he made such a statement was desperation to save face, nothing more. 2) He made the cardinal sin of confession because it undermines all that follows: lying about what precipitated the confession. "It went on for a short while but I feel so bad, I had to say something. I confessed". He must have believed this were true because the people who outted him were part of the disclosure. It makes no logical sense how someone could release a confession – that was prepared ahead of time - right after his victims made theirs, without realising he would be called out on that lie. Unless, deep down he really believes that it happened that way or he’s so tangled in a web of lying he didn’t know which way was real. Either way, this shows someone without remorse and on the short end of mental ability at the moment. 3) The last point I’ll make about his post is perhaps the most damning. Rather than having any compassion to the ordeal inflicted on his victims or their emotions, he tried to elicit sympathy from us. "I told my mum, confessed everything to her. I could see disappointment moving across her face as she told me she was not proud of me despite all my success in poker; she was not proud of her son". This sentence, and what follows, is the most descriptive and eloquent of the entire post, but I suspect that it’s an outright lie designed to try to make us feel sympathy for him. Furthermore, "explanations don’t cut it in situations like this and often come across as excuses". If he was sincere – try. Try us. If the explanation is real and shows an understanding for the impact of his actions, we can begin to make sense of it. But, when it follows a lie and includes no mention of the plight of the people he harmed, it comes across as a last ditch effort to save face and make us feel bad for him. While Girah can’t give an explaination for how this happened, I hope that better understanding some of the charateristics of a person like this can help you to better protect yourself from being a victim. I’m not saying this could have been prevented, but the actions taken by the players who were scammed prevent it from going deeper. Why would he do this for only 30k? Thanks to them, that’s hopefully as far as it went.

http://www.pokerstrategy.com/news/wor...Health-Counselor-Jared-Tendler_50148/

On August 09 2011 06:08 Daut wrote: re: the english conversation. what it comes down to is when he learned english. it seems people who learn a language before the age of 13 dont end up with an accent and if you learn after 13 you always have one. if he was learning english from an early age and becoming decently fluent by the time he was 13 its possible, but still tough considering that even someone like raszi has an accent and he speaks close to the best english of any non native i know. not to mention he knows ~5 languages and is probably a much better language learner than jose.

English is mandatory in all schools in mexico since elementary school... so basically we all learn it since we are children and everybody fucking sucks at it, im honestly dont know a single mexican who speaks it better than i do and im aproximately on Raszis english level (with less accent than him maybe)

So basically Raszis english is the max you can expect from a foreigner who hasnt lived (while young) in an english speaking country, hell even people who live for decades at a country still suck at the language, my aunt who was born in boston has lived in Mexico for 30 years and her accent is ridiculous, its like talking with Nolan in Skype lol.

On August 09 2011 06:10 byrnesam wrote: Baal, people are referring to Jungleman as an idiot savant - in that he excels at poker but comes across as borderline retarded in other areas. Phil Galfond is a little awkward, but he is articulate and usually interviews well. Jungle comes across like hes on another planet. This article gives a pretty good insight. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/27/magazine/mag-27Poker-t.html?_r=1 Show nested quote + I noted our luck in finding a seat on Valentine’s Day. Without a trace of irony, Cates, who speaks in the halting cadence most often associated with World of Warcraft group chats, asked, “Why would a restaurant be any more crowded on Valentine’s Day?”   He describes his childhood as “weird, a bit aloof and mostly spent alone.”   For the next 10 minutes, we sat in the driveway of the modest Orlando condo he shared with two roommates as he fumbled around with the Bluetooth-iPhone sync-up... The next five minutes were spent trying to find a decent driving song. He ended up choosing a recent dance-hall mash-up of various tunes from the Super Mario video-game series.   Cates was flying to Austin, Tex., to see a “specialist in human interactions.” This specialist had promised to help Cates understand the nuances of body language in social situations. What i believe (and others do too) is that Jungleman considers Haseeb his friend and is currently swallowing whatever lies hes being fed and probably feels too emotionally invested in their relationship to question the validity of what hes being told. Given the story about Haseeb creating the close relationship with MDMA through deception behind a new alias, hes easilly capable of pulling Junglemans strings to fit his own agenda.

oh i know, but that interview always looked to try to make him look worse than it is imo, he looks calm and relatively articulate in his interviews, doesnt look like a guy with asperbergs to me, but he might just feel comfortable in interviews where there isnt that much spontaneity, who knows.

What doesnt make sense is for someone with his BR and skill to start cheating, he might be manipulated by haseeb and so far hi reputation wasnt tarnished so far so i give him the benefit of doubt... unlike Haseeb.

Does anyone around here know a lot about Moloch's history around here and want to give us a rundown of his bad behavior? Any scams etc..?

He was a cool dude then he wasn't.

The End.



edit: Actually, I don't really remember.


http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/209731 <- was fun though.
http://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-forum/75333/Can_You_Lend_A_Brotha_A_Dolla_.html <- and this was a goldmine.

I'd suggest searching but everything I skimmed through is mostly awesome stuff.

Until someone else points me in the right direction I'll just go with my memory being resultsoriented.



edit2:
@From thread about wtf happened to Halling.

Basicly Saki and Baal had a fight (that Saki won?) and this came up.

On March 02 2007 16:54 newbie.cjb wrote: sakisaki = next pitf?

Anyways. I made an awesome golf analogy in that thread.

this won't sway really anyone's opinion of him, but moloch was actually an incredibly generous guy to me and i really truly owe him a lot for some of the things hes done for me.

and afaik, he was never involved in any scams here. as for his attitude, the mod notes/infractions on him are pretty extensive lol.

http://www.highstakesdb.com/2372-cardrunners-part-ways-with-haseeb-qureshi.aspx

Haseeb kicked out of Cardrunners... cool.

I dont remember DIH doing anything shady when he was part of LP, and i doubt there would be any incidents since he was probably printing money at that time. Its only recent years when he suffered some huge financial losses that he could really have a need to start cheating/scamming.

^ makes sense.

Ye dunno where ppl are getting the idea that pitf was shady from the start. He was a character for sure, always posting huge bricks of text in the hand discussion but he was never involved in any shady business and contributed alot to lp back in the day.

thought I'd ask is all :D

Yeh I dont think anyone was accusing DIH of that activity, but it was a long time ago and lots of people werent around then and are probably surprised that DIH was part of this community at one point in time.

Did anyone notice that his announcement regarding his account hacking and his post regarding the cheating both ended in almost the exact same way?

I won't go into any more detail about it since I'm well aware that there is no possible recourse to any of this, all I can really do is secure my computer better and spread the word about incidents like this.

So there. Now you know everything there is to know. Now calm the fuck down, pack up the drama, and let's call it a night.

A poor attempt at avoiding further questions/investigation/discussion.

sadly, money or the lack thereof, sometimes changes people for the worse. nothing surprising this happens a lot in poker obv.

pretty weak sociopath if that article by Jared Tendler is true. his pathetic excuses/stories didn't fool anyone and actually would make me more mad if i was a victim. Ah well guess hes just a kid and hasn't had too much experience in mimicking humans. srsly though paying back double to his victims then suggesting its even with those stories only shows that he'd do it again and again or that he has his own sick sense of justice.

Can't believe DIH is that Moloch guy.

What a piece of shit.

Anyone who still follow the thread, are they going to try and get some of these people behind bars, do something drastic. Or they just getting away again?

Would be awesome if they took meassures and got atleast Jose convicted and locked up.

man, being backed 200k and only having 5% of yourself and magically getting hacked and losing it all is just way too convenient....

On August 10 2011 18:08 Mariuslol wrote: Anyone who still follow the thread, are they going to try and get some of these people behind bars, do something drastic. Or they just getting away again? Would be awesome if they took meassures and got atleast Jose convicted and locked up.

what exactly did Jose do that was criminal?

On August 10 2011 18:08 Mariuslol wrote: Anyone who still follow the thread, are they going to try and get some of these people behind bars, do something drastic. Or they just getting away again? Would be awesome if they took meassures and got atleast Jose convicted and locked up.

I'm still following it closely because I have no life. Jungleman gave an interview to Bluff. Cliffnotes: ... He says absolutely nothing but the interview was already done 2 days ago. HQ also gave them an interview which is coming up, and he's writing a super long blog again...

Jungleman has said he's willing to give an interview to 2+2, some High Stakers and NoahSD (subjectoker) will probably do it but the NVG Witch hunters also want someone in. In the meanwhile sauce123 still has "X" and a deadline, but nobody knows what "X" is and if it's even that relevant.

Nothing about getting people behind bars, pressing charges or whatsoever.