palak United States. Jun 22 2011 19:26. Posts 4601
whine
My roommate has one super fucking annoying flaw which is whenever a disagreement or debate comes up about any issues they get super loud, super emotionally involved, and spout of things which are ideological crap and have no basis in reality or facts to back them up at all. This occurs over fucking everything, which movie is better, which band is better, etc. Obviously it also occurs more vehemently over other issues where we differ like healthcare, taxation, government, economics, iraq, religion. Seeing how I'm an atheist/left-centrist and she's a orthodox christian/libertarian.
One ultra depressing side not is that despite this her and i have managed to reach compromise agreements on everything which satisfies both of us, something congress never seems to do ever. Also granted I sometimes fuck up in statements and have to go back and correct myself. Perfect example was last night. I said I hated the statement "more people have died due to religion then any other cause" which is repeated over and over by atheists in soundbytes on interviews and is pretty much a straight up lie. But that got us to the typical line which follows afterwords "without religion good ppl would do good things and bad ppl would do bad things, but if you want a good person to do a bad thing, that takes religion" which I happen to agree with massively (note: i do agree other things cause good ppl to do bad things like economic troubles leading to theft for food etc but these are unimportant to the statement). Then I pointed out examples of this mainly the pope letting child molesters go free and misinformation about condoms helping the spread of aids.
Any how we go on arguing this for a while and eventually I get to the war on drugs being another example since the temperance movements and anti-drug movements get their upstart, and base justification from religious ideals which has led to a waste on resources, ppl, and extremely poor drug controls, even scientists in the 70s said pot should not be a schedule 1 drug. (e.g. Woman's Christian Temperance Union (WCTU) was the main driving force of prohibition and protestant ministers were the creators in large part.)To which her response was not the expected "well i'm christian and i don't think drugs should be illegal" (which obv response is, ur the exception not the rule as seen by ur also accepting evolution) but instead she responded with "some drugs need to be made illegal like meth, crack, heroin, and maybe things would be better off if alcohol was illegal". WTF complete fucking 180 degree turn from her libertarian ideals of "everything should be legalized the gov't has no right to tell me what i can and can not put in my body" solely just to be consistent in her blind refutation that religion causes and said the only reason I brought this up was "because I want pot to be legalized so badly". Which I don't even fucking want, decriminalization of possesion&personal growing along with medical legalization is completely different then flat out legalization.
Then we go on and eventually get to what makes ppl poor (at this point the whole religion thing is gone) where I argue that many americans are not paid an actual livable wage, combined with the cost of college tuition leads to a situation of lower standards of living then there should be for many americans and occasional rampent credit card debt. She says that it is solely based on poor dumb ppl misspending money and having runaway debt. Which is a fucking lie also, the whole "average american is in debt 7.5k" is a bullshit statistic because it's the mean debt of americans. The median and mode credit card debt for the average american is fucking 0. The median debt for a person who actually has credit card debt is only 3k. ( http://www.erictyson.com/articles/20090623 ) so yes there are some ppl misusing credit cards, but there are many more who just make shit money. The whole "save for college, get a degree and you'll get a good job" is bullshit since with the rising cost of college many ppl can't afford to go or won't get in. Plus college degrees don't guarantee jackshit ( http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/07/opinion/07krugman.html?_r=2&ref=opinion )
The combination of always being emotionally angry, arrogant as fuck about her misled facts which never hold up to any actual scrutiny is fucking aggravating. This is on the whole an EXTREMELY SMALL problem since we rarely talk about anything that will lead to an argument (often by me just not really talking much )
One disclaimer is that I did say one thing which was factually wrong last night when I said that the majority of Africa is Christian (this was during the catholic aids debate) but apparently africa is 47% islam, 42% christian. But countries that are primarily islam have almost no aids, the countries that are primarily christian have the worst aids rates http://www.martinrothonline.com/MRCC11.htm so the fact was wrong, but the idea behind it was correct.
/whine
I'm not gonna have some drawn out debate in any comments w/ someone about any of these views either, i just needed to vent this fucking annoyance
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didn't want to make a new entry, but this is cool.
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dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium
My roommate has one super fucking annoying flaw which is whenever a disagreement or debate comes up about any issues they get super loud, super emotionally involved, and spout of things which are ideological crap and have no basis in reality or facts to back them up at all. This occurs over fucking everything, which movie is better, which band is better, etc. Obviously it also occurs more vehemently over other issues where we differ like healthcare, taxation, government, economics, iraq, religion. Seeing how I'm an atheist/left-centrist and she's
I stopped reading here ._.
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Stroggoz New Zealand. Jun 22 2011 19:50. Posts 5365
your the one who's annoying yourself by getting mad over stuff like this. You sound very similar to ur roommate btw, what with getting super emotionally involved in disagreements and stuff.
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Jun 22 2011 19:51. Posts 6374
My roommate has one super fucking annoying flaw which is whenever a disagreement or debate comes up about any issues they get super loud, super emotionally involved, and spout of things which are ideological crap and have no basis in reality or facts to back them up at all. This occurs over fucking everything, which movie is better, which band is better, etc. Obviously it also occurs more vehemently over other issues where we differ like healthcare, taxation, government, economics, iraq, religion. Seeing how I'm an atheist/left-centrist and she's
I stopped reading here ._.
loool yeah I was waiting for the roomate to be a woman
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qwerty67890 New Zealand. Jun 22 2011 20:12. Posts 14026
standard woman
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morph1 Sierra Leone. Jun 22 2011 20:14. Posts 2352
you have to beat them in their game... w-e it takes... get your emotions in, yell or beat the shit out of them... or you can just not give a fuck
and get some girl roomies and make this blog more interesting
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Jhyun88 United States. Jun 22 2011 20:14. Posts 1383
pics?
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Jhyun88 United States. Jun 22 2011 20:16. Posts 1383
On June 22 2011 19:14 morph1 wrote:
you have to beat them in their game... w-e it takes... get your emotions in, yell or beat the shit out of them... or you can just not give a fuck
and get some girl roomies and make this blog more interesting
"Beat them in their game" is dumb. Don't degrade yourself and just decide not to give a fuck.
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palak United States. Jun 22 2011 20:20. Posts 4601
On June 22 2011 19:03 redrain0125 wrote:
i think you should just bang her, no talking
not hot n her bf could beat the shit out of me
dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium
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Stroggoz New Zealand. Jun 22 2011 20:41. Posts 5365
its not about if shes hot or not. its about putting her in her fucking place.
or u could just agree with everything she says, and then she'll see that she is defeated and there is no possible way she can piss u off.
One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beings
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palak United States. Jun 22 2011 22:52. Posts 4601
On June 22 2011 19:49 locoo wrote:
if u feel the urge to whine here then as Stroggoz said u both are probably very emotional in these topics and hate being wrong etc
i dont mind being wrong, and this rant has been building for not just the 6 months of being roommates but the 4 yrs before this also. So to me having had 1 rant after 4.5 yrs of annoyance building isn't really being to emotional ..she's not black, she's white
dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium
Sounds stressful, could I suggest put on some Hitchens and convert her right away?
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palak United States. Jun 23 2011 02:08. Posts 4601
^She'll never convert, ever, it's pointless for me to try. But her religion is rarely annoying since we just don't talk bout it and she's not one of those nuts who thinks science is wrong because a 2k yr old book says so. We get in more disagreements over the fact that she thinks GW Bush was a better president then Clinton and that she still thinks the Iraqi invasion was a good idea and was successful which is the most mindbogglingly misinformed statement I think a person can make about politics since 2002.
Its really not as stressful as my whine makes it out to be and living here is overall probably the best place i've lived. I mean i live for half rent, get a really good dinner cooked for me 7 days a week, 98% of the time (cuz i keep my mouth shut or work my ass off to stay on neutral topics) there isn't a fight, and her and i have the same taste in tv shows, movies, music, etc. This is just the only thing that's annoying and after 4.5 yrs i snapped for like 12 hrs and ended up writing out this blog whine.
dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium
im sorry but if you cant absolutely destroy a christian in an argument then your debating skills must be very poor, seriously it only takes 30 seconds to corner them to a point where they just say "well... i dont know".
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palak United States. Jun 23 2011 02:24. Posts 4601
"Some parts of the bible are imperfect because there are things in it which were put in there by human error, not god. So religion is imperfect but its a matter of faith" I forever gave up at that point.
EDIT: it's like if you argue w/ an evangelical over the age of the earth. Sure you can absolutely destroy them in no time and have them resort to either making up bullshit facts or saying "god is mysterious", but you didn't actually convert them or change their mind about anything. Like William Lane Craig, he has debated every major atheist personality since Dawkins and always spouts the exact same philosophical and scientific bullshit even though the arguments have been slaughtered a million times over, he is in his nice little fantasy box and no argument can break him out of it. Since she acknowledges all of the historical and scientific errors in the bible but still chooses to believe it there's not much I can do but just go umm ok.
dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium
people dont just change their minds that easily... not on the spot at least.
if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN
Religious people may be converted by rational argument, but they must first learn the way of Bayes.
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terrybunny19240 United States. Jun 23 2011 02:46. Posts 13829
yo i didn't read comments but imo conversation is practically useless for changing people's minds on anything. it is difficult to have/cite sources, there are social aspects special to the situation that aren't present in ie: essays, it is difficult to create and explain or review complex arguments, etc. Waste of time to argue about such things face-to-face imo. Just change the topic to something neutral or pleasant then smash her that night
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exalted United States. Jun 23 2011 03:17. Posts 2918
you two seem like two peas in a pod
exalted from teamliquid :o
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morph1 Sierra Leone. Jun 23 2011 20:28. Posts 2352
On June 22 2011 19:14 morph1 wrote:
you have to beat them in their game... w-e it takes... get your emotions in, yell or beat the shit out of them... or you can just not give a fuck
and get some girl roomies and make this blog more interesting
"Beat them in their game" is dumb. Don't degrade yourself and just decide not to give a fuck.
On June 22 2011 19:49 locoo wrote:
if u feel the urge to whine here then as Stroggoz said u both are probably very emotional in these topics and hate being wrong etc
i dont mind being wrong, and this rant has been building for not just the 6 months of being roommates but the 4 yrs before this also. So to me having had 1 rant after 4.5 yrs of annoyance building isn't really being to emotional ..she's not black, she's white
my bad i didn't mean being wrong, what i was trying to say was that you just gotta be patient with people that think differently and don't try to challenge them everytime because it's kind of anoying even if you are right all the time , but yea i guess 4 years of this and just 1 e-rant is stnd
On June 23 2011 01:38 ggplz wrote:
people dont just change their minds that easily... not on the spot at least.
yea, this is weird for me, i change my mind on the spot very easily if presented with enough evidence/facts, most people seem to do it as well except for religion and a couple other topics
On June 23 2011 01:38 ggplz wrote:
people dont just change their minds that easily... not on the spot at least.
yea, this is weird for me, i change my mind on the spot very easily if presented with enough evidence/facts, most people seem to do it as well except for religion and a couple other topics
in my experience it's always cuz her and ppl that won't change their mind despite being wrong on sciency things is because they have read some bogus studies and follow said studies w/o looking at other ones.
dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium
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Surprise United States. Jun 24 2011 18:56. Posts 275
Its difficult to persuade people when you are in a confrontation with them. The best you can hope for is to persuade any neutral audience that may be present. Most people can't rationally analyze arguments from an "opponent" except beyond how to destroy those arguments in order to "win" the conflict that is at hand. I can think of a few examples from this forum but I won't go there. If you wanna persuade people you need to think outside the debate box.
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