Rake-Free & Ran By the Poker Community? - Page 3

It will never works coz this is a fkn basic rule of economy, wich product will you support for the same offer ? the free one or the other one ?
Paying for a service is always less supsicous than a free one. Economy works like that, think about it. More trust and more "supposed value" in the expansive shit ^^

On December 14 2010 23:08 FullBRing wrote: It will never works coz this is a fkn basic rule of economy, wich product will you support for the same offer ? the free one or the other one ? Paying for a service is always less supsicous than a free one. Economy works like that, think about it. More trust and more "supposed value" in the expansive shit ^^

not necessarily true... it's all branding. and if this project "brands" itself well and the crowd responds positively, it could all work.

On December 14 2010 23:08 FullBRing wrote: It will never works coz this is a fkn basic rule of economy, wich product will you support for the same offer ? the free one or the other one ? Paying for a service is always less supsicous than a free one. Economy works like that, think about it. More trust and more "supposed value" in the expansive shit ^^

most big companies only trust LINUX with no distro attached to it, since it is the most secure platform out there hands down. you just need a team who can build it to perfection. pokerstars and this model can co -exist. i think most are scared since they dont want to leave the "benefits" of sites only to risk losing their BRs and livelhood due to something wrong happening without a tough corporate "big brother" backing them up, or losing traffic from sites they play in, all these are very understandable concerns and i think they are very important to consider as well. If anything I think the idea will help the poker economy and make more people wanna play poker and try different sites, personally i would play at liquidpoker.net poker room, shoot shit with lpers and even have some other players play here as well(imagine TL coming here to learn to play). poker's appeal has kinda died down, that is coz there are less and less ideas out there to encourage ppl to play, most that have had the interest either dont trust online poker and stuck with live, or have played and lost a lot of money feeling "cheated" of the rake. with a community run poker economy we can actually have players coming back to play again. leave the marketing to forum sites themselves. pokerstars is not the end-all, be-all of poker, nor did they invent or patent it, people seem to forget that poker is a live game turned into a mmorpg by online poker sites

lol wall of text sorry. but thats the last of it. anyway just hope you guys give it a thought at least.

On December 14 2010 20:12 Helmet wrote: it's not a waste of time once you get enough users logging in... give it a chance.

ohhh yes it is.. Dutch Boyd tried to make a no rake poker site before the online boom, and look where he ended up... broke and in the loony bin

On December 14 2010 15:36 iop wrote: Everything I've heard about genjix is not so good, however he seems sincere and mature in the first few posts I've read on 2+2.. Didn't he get banned from LP? I still wouldn't want to play there though, seems too risky. Although we wouldn't mind speaking to a lawyer, it's not a priority. The protocol is federated so servers can be hosted in many countries (shut one down and it continues running). I won't go into the technical details, but we have a system in place to make sure funds will always be secure in case of seizure (at worst we have a few hours in which to quickly secure the funds into an alternate account which takes ~10 mins).

Is this a fucking joke???? Do you need absolutely no solid base to make public statements like these???

i am 99% sure I know what iop is basing this off of and he just lost a bunch of respect from me until if he makes it right. He is a mod and he shouldn't be spreading heresay attained from people that have proven themselves to be of lesser trustworthiness than then he even claims the person to be.

If we need to make things public we can. And obv if you don't change ur post commenting on his personality and ... it is easily inferenced, his trustworthiness, then i'll have to.

Genjix's person shouldn't even be brought up and people attacking the idea of this site have no understanding of the proposition. The site in question would not rely on any individuals trustworthiness and it's entirely feasible that it could be more reliable than FTP or Stars even. I can't imagine actually, if this site were to have and significant volume that it wouldn't be more safer than playing live poker at the very least.

My post was judging by his blog posts/posts that he's made on lp. If you leave a community on bad terms, and come back and hope for support, you kind of what to rethink how the community views you, and/if they're going to support your project.

I should have used the word seen and not heard - im sorry for the wording as it could easily be misinterpreted (as we've seen)
http://genjix.liquidpoker.net - I'm afraid you can't see the content of some of his posts, but you can still see the comments.

He however sent me a PM clarifying some stuff.

I still would be very hesitant to play on such a site, once money becomes involved stuff can happen. I'm still interested in following the project, since I find it an interesting one

I'll make a blog post about this later. (I was the guy who started the p2p poker brainstorm thread).

I think his blog is hilarious. I don't lol often but that was fun, thanks for directing me, and I think there are a few uptight apples.

I also think being a little brash is what an LP blog or the LP general section is primarily used as. That and discussing already disproved conspiracy theories or economics by people who haven't taken econ 101.

Also he wasn't banned it looks like. He may have chosen to leave on bad terms (that blog post is deleted). Also he didn't come back here, someone posted something of his from 2p2. Also, if it weren't for altruistic people like him, wikipedia wouldn't exist.

A couple years ago I was having bank problems because I was outside the US and I had just closed a bank account of mine and I couldn't withdraw to my etrade account because it's not a normal bank account (for one thing the routing for direct deposits has to go to another bank first and the etrade bank account numbers are 8 digits long). I trusted him with thousands of dollars (at a single time) when he was living very modestly and had no job and was running out of money while travelling. He may be the most trustworthy person with $ that I know.

Also, I went with him to the police station for foreigners in Serbia to ask if he should do a border run to renew his visa because it will expire before his scheduled flight. They said, no just come back before you go. So the day before his flight, which is a week after his visa expired we go back to get the stamp and pay the 50euro fee the lady said we would have to pay. She had said, don't try just going to the airport, cause then u can get in trouble. Anyway, after more than 12 hours of being detained, him getting harassed by cops, they tell me I can go back to see him in the court, which is also part of a police department and jail facility. They say if he can't produce idk what it was 600$ or something, he would go to jail for a month. He didn't have the money, I paid for him knowing he wouldn't be able to pay me back till he was almost a continent away and that he didn't even have the money at the time. He worked his ass off and paid me back as if it was his top priority.

He has never asked me for money aside from when he was almost unjustly jailed. People who are brash and not image focused, people who are the opposite of sycophantic are maybe stereotypically the most trustworthy.

most rakefree poker rooms give 100% rakeback, i think people always compare it to how absolutely no rake works, no rake means no rake, not 100% rakeback.
most these "rakefree" rooms just use rakefree but still have a lot of requirements for you to qualify for it. and all these poker rooms were proprietary and profit oriented in nature, that's why they close.

On December 15 2010 02:26 Steal City wrote: I think his blog is hilarious. I don't lol often but that was fun, thanks for directing me, and I think there are a few uptight apples. I also think being a little brash is what an LP blog or the LP general section is primarily used as. That and discussing already disproved conspiracy theories or economics by people who haven't taken econ 101. Also he wasn't banned it looks like. He may have chosen to leave on bad terms (that blog post is deleted). Also he didn't come back here, someone posted something of his from 2p2. Also, if it weren't for altruistic people like him, wikipedia wouldn't exist. A couple years ago I was having bank problems because I was outside the US and I had just closed a bank account of mine and I couldn't withdraw to my etrade account because it's not a normal bank account (for one thing the routing for direct deposits has to go to another bank first and the etrade bank account numbers are 8 digits long). I trusted him with thousands of dollars (at a single time) when he was living very modestly and had no job and was running out of money while travelling. He may be the most trustworthy person with $ that I know. Also, I went with him to the police station for foreigners in Serbia to ask if he should do a border run to renew his visa because it will expire before his scheduled flight. They said, no just come back before you go. So the day before his flight, which is a week after his visa expired we go back to get the stamp and pay the 50euro fee the lady said we would have to pay. She had said, don't try just going to the airport, cause then u can get in trouble. Anyway, after more than 12 hours of being detained, him getting harassed by cops, they tell me I can go back to see him in the court, which is also part of a police department and jail facility. They say if he can't produce idk what it was 600$ or something, he would go to jail for a month. He didn't have the money, I paid for him knowing he wouldn't be able to pay me back till he was almost a continent away and that he didn't even have the money at the time. He worked his ass off and paid me back as if it was his top priority. He has never asked me for money aside from when he was almost unjustly jailed. People who are brash and not image focused, people who are the opposite of sycophantic are maybe stereotypically the most trustworthy.

Well that settles it then...

idk what ur implying EvilSky. But I don't like friend's character's being attacked based on nothing. And genjix's character isn't even relevant to the thread. People should scrutinize the OP and the basis of their claims before making such statements.

I'll support this.

This idea has no right of existance in a poker world, sorry.

I support this.

i like genjix, we have spent many an hour on skype. like donald, i would say genjix is trustworthy.

people who are making this about genjix have to be trolling, who is against rake free poker?

and this shouldnt even be about genjix. he is a part of something being created, and it has a lot of potential. if you do not like genjix personally, keep it to yourself. this is about the site development not your opinion of his blogs.

and he didnt come back to the community as an attention whore, someone else posted a link to what he was doing.

keep doing you genjix, haters gon' hate

i posted it cos i got excited about this project. i was thinking a lot would at least give a little support and some words of encouragement for a fellow LP'er.

but some people got all emo...

we'd rather hear what myth, cosmo, etc etc said... they just didn't think it would work. cool, we respect your opinions.

this whole thing was posted awhile back and it died down coz it got shot down. i didnt really know fudyann, genjix and some other guys still kept on even with no funding or a lot of support, i thought it was already canned, which is really what proprietary money making projects will become with no help. That alone makes me think they really want to make this to happen, funding or no, its very admirable and is honestly the heart of any open source project that flourishes. its ok to be wait and see about this, but at least keep in mind this is for the greater good and all it really needs is for people to help out in any way they can.

http://www.poker.bitcoinvegas.com/discussion/5/totally-decentralized-poker-games

"What if every table was hosted by a different person, and when you bought in to a table, money was transferred from your ewallet account to the host's ewallet account. Then when you stood up from the table, money would be transferred back to your account dependent on your results?

This would effectively mean each poker table is its own card room, and would not be tied financially to any poker site. Anyone could host any poker game they wanted with any parameters they wanted, and allow anyone they want to buy in. We could allow or disallow people to charge whatever rake they wanted, and I'm sure there would be lots of clients where you could browse poker games being offered or offer poker games yourself, and I have a feeling that the end result would be something like a much better version of what we see now when we browse a poker lobby, but would be much cheaper and infinitely more customizable and user-friendly."

it's a good read...

this would be sick and i would support it but i dont see it happening and would be worried about the security.

On December 14 2010 23:53 milkman wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2010 20:12 Helmet wrote: it's not a waste of time once you get enough users logging in... give it a chance. ohhh yes it is.. Dutch Boyd tried to make a no rake poker site before the online boom, and look where he ended up... broke and in the loony bin

sure... but this is different. one thing happens to one person... another thing happens to another person... better or worse.

but whatever, this project is definitely going online.