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Helmet   Philippines. Dec 18 2010 18:02. Posts 930


  On December 18 2010 16:50 Defrag wrote:
Also, f*@%ing rofl:
http://www.liquidpoker.net/blog/viewblog.php?id=942002

And rofl #2:
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that guy is spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt. i bet he is jealous he didn't think of the idea first. or maybe he did... but didn't act on it.

then he sees this project. that guy, whoever he is might be working for pokerstars for all we know... or maybe just a bored nerd trying to derail the thread just cos he doesn't believe in the idea.
i mean it's cool to debate... but these are really offensive attacks. why would he do that? we're not harming anybody...

People who are brash and not image focused, people who are the opposite of sycophantic are maybe stereotypically the most trustworthy. - Steal CityLast edit: 18/12/2010 18:03

Garfed   Malta. Dec 18 2010 19:05. Posts 4818


  On December 18 2010 17:02 Helmet wrote:
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that guy is spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt. i bet he is jealous he didn't think of the idea first. or maybe he did... but didn't act on it.

then he sees this project. that guy, whoever he is might be working for pokerstars for all we know... or maybe just a bored nerd trying to derail the thread just cos he doesn't believe in the idea.
i mean it's cool to debate... but these are really offensive attacks. why would he do that? we're not harming anybody...



Why is that? I think he raised a valid concern: whole idea of rake-free poker room is being presented as a non-profit, as facts flowing in show that there can be indeed some financial motivation.

I also see no reason why he would be jealous if the idea is supposed to be non-profit, and the poker room is going to be based on the support of community?

You have to understand if you want the project to have the slighest chance of success people taking care of the initial launch and promotion have to be crystal clear and answer every question that might raise a doubt. In the end you are asking people to deposit real $ on your site.

 Last edit: 18/12/2010 19:08

Helmet   Philippines. Dec 18 2010 19:07. Posts 930

those are not facts. those are assumptions and accusations.

People who are brash and not image focused, people who are the opposite of sycophantic are maybe stereotypically the most trustworthy. - Steal City 

Garfed   Malta. Dec 18 2010 19:15. Posts 4818


  On December 18 2010 18:07 Helmet wrote:
those are not facts. those are assumptions and accusations.


What about blog post with offer to sell/buy the currency ( at rates on which Genjix would profit ) and his posts at bitcoin forum?

You have to understand, if you want to run a poker room, you have to answer all those concerns.

The creators of the project understand that people are paying insane fees to poker rooms like PokerStars/FTP due to the level of security they are offering ( not only, but obviously it's a big part of the deal ). Replying simply "'those are just accusations taken out of nowhere, so not worth answering" is not going to make it happen, when you are trying to build reputation for people to trust you with their hard earned cash.

 Last edit: 18/12/2010 19:16

WhereDaHoneyz   United States. Dec 18 2010 19:23. Posts 29

eh? why can't I trade currency? free market ftw.


WhereDaHoneyz   United States. Dec 18 2010 19:32. Posts 29

also yeah i challenge you to take a look at my bitcoin forum posting history:
http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=1931;sa=showPosts
world most unremarkable thing ever.

making drama out of nothing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Genjix
editing wikipedia for 6 years
working on free software for 8 years

blaa blaa, just google my nickname 'genjix'

you can see all my history. it's there on the net.


Garfed   Malta. Dec 18 2010 19:35. Posts 4818


  On December 18 2010 18:23 WhereDaHoneyz wrote:
eh? why can't I trade currency? free market ftw.


Because you are responsible for the project and presented it as a non-profit in the first place.
With the mentioned blog post, aggressive answers to posts raising valid concerns ( like threatening to sue for libel @ 2p2 ) and other posts at bitcoin forum where you offered to buy bitcoin cash roughly month ago at half the prize you are offering to sell now at your blog, it makes me wonder if I would trust you and your poker room with my money and if your actions are honest.

As I said above, you are responsible for the reputation of the project, and without solid one this will never have a slightest chance of work, despite how good the idea/software may be.

 Last edit: 18/12/2010 19:36

WhereDaHoneyz   United States. Dec 18 2010 19:56. Posts 29

i didn't threaten to sue for libel. That was someone else. I don't control what people do. They are free to behave however they want.

And trading bitcoins? I AM trading bitcoins, not our project. Me =/= project. we are a team. Also, if you check, http://bitcoinwatch.com/ then you'll see my prices are very reasonable.

you make it sound as though doing business is a dirty bad thing.


WhereDaHoneyz   United States. Dec 18 2010 20:02. Posts 29

anyway this is my last post on any forum. We are super busy, and I've said a few times already that I won't be posting anymore. However each time someone makes a personal attack accusing me of being a scammer or in it for the money, getting me to respond. The information is out there on google, so just make up your own minds.

/signing off.


whamm!   Albania. Dec 18 2010 20:02. Posts 11625

hmm running an affiliate site is for commercial poker platfroms obviously. i know how it works, cpa, revshares, rakeback what have you. its part of online poker sites promotional expenses. heck i can run my own boss network or ipoker skin whammpoker.com in 3 days if i want to, just get some captial here and it costs around 50kusd which i dont have, but with all these bs government policies its kinda unstable imo. . running a centralized poker site is hard with all the backend, but all you need is money. its not rocket science which requires gazillions, most their expenses do come from affiliate programs, adds,vpp programs and sponsorships in tourneys and live pros salaries and perks etc

Im basing this on how open source works, money wil be made by sites, programmers etc, its just the software base and POKER that will be free. ppl here seem to hate genjix so much because he MIGHT make a couple dollars, and suspect him of a hidden agenda. believe me, genjix wont make money from the POKER system if thats what worries everyone. hes doing this for free FFS.


Heres just a standard list of possibilities where this will be going if ever it takes off and gets support

*software is free, stable, secure(there will be free counterparts to most 3rd party addons, mostly willhave lesser features but there will be some who will give it for free, that is how open source works, some guy charges exorbitant prices for something, some good person feels it should be free and builds a similar if not better and jsut relys on donations
*3rd party addons, like hem integration, video, live chat , tn etc
*if you want br protection systems(buyin real time from your ewallet so no more BR in site) you will have to pay for it
*anti-cheat hack, bot detection stuff
*a zillion other mods, free or not, that will trump any pokerstars setup we have right now
*forum sites like LP develop a client, run its own room, and get all the traffic they have in TL interested in poker (obv TL populace would only trust TL)
* a ton of other stuff, sky is the limit, any idea can be coded, people will make money, decide where they wanna take this
*some 3rd party add-ons wont be free, but you wont need it if just wanted to play poker, FISH wont need addons, they can dl the client, load up a server list and play. people like us, will want the addons like we do with stars.

i feel the group is being pressured to get all this solved before the even finalize a working client which is ridiculous, they want to "start" an Open source poker system for everyone, and theyre getting shit for it. please before ppl criticize, try to understand how open source works first.

 Last edit: 18/12/2010 20:07

lucifer   Sweden. Dec 18 2010 20:29. Posts 5955


  On December 18 2010 19:02 whamm! wrote:
please before ppl criticize, try to understand how open source works first.



So I'm free to say you're playing football in a golftournament?

On February 19 2009 22:21 Confedrate wrote: i dont get it 

Etherone   Canada. Dec 18 2010 20:37. Posts 753

I'd only care about one thing: how will you get fish to play on your client?


Zep   United States. Dec 18 2010 22:33. Posts 2292

Don't think for one second if this started working poker site's wouldn't adjust. They have the power of the media and unless you're able to have at least a small share of that yourself, you won't be able to succeed.

NeillyJQ: I really wanted to prove to myself I could beat NL200, I did over a small sample, and believe Ill be crushing there in the future. 

Helmet   Philippines. Dec 18 2010 23:34. Posts 930

a little controversy is always good. thanks defrag. makes things more interesting. but you know those are all lies and accusations. just type away in this thread. like it or not the site is going online.

People who are brash and not image focused, people who are the opposite of sycophantic are maybe stereotypically the most trustworthy. - Steal City 

joLin   United States. Dec 19 2010 01:04. Posts 3818


  On December 18 2010 22:34 Helmet wrote:
a little controversy is always good. thanks defrag. makes things more interesting. but you know those are all lies and accusations. just type away in this thread. like it or not the site is going online.


not sure whats going on here but your attitude isnt very comforting. i dunno about other ppl but personally i wouldnt put any money on your site.

YoUr_KiLLeR @ TL 

jchysk   United States. Dec 19 2010 01:08. Posts 435


  On December 18 2010 16:49 Defrag wrote:
Steal City, I work for liquidpoker and run tlpoker.pl for quite some time already and there is absolutetly no way this has any slighlest chance of sucess ( my opinion obviously, based on my experience and the fact that I know how poker rooms / affiliates operate). No offence but telling Nazgul, who runs a site of that scale that he doesnt get it is pretty ignorant.



I have to disagree with you here. I think the software has an extremely high chance of success. The costs to run a base site will be minimal and once the software is decent why wouldn't some companies use it to start their rooms if they're planning on entering into the poker scene? I can definitely even see some completely free non-profit hosted rooms too where a few hundred players are on at any given time from around the world playing. I suppose we'll just have to disagree for now, but we'll keep working and will just have to use all this skepticism as part of the drive to develop something amazing.

w00t 

Steal City   United States. Dec 19 2010 03:45. Posts 2537


  On December 18 2010 16:49 Defrag wrote:
Steal City, I work for liquidpoker and run tlpoker.pl for quite some time already and there is absolutetly no way this has any slighlest chance of sucess ( my opinion obviously, based on my experience and the fact that I know how poker rooms / affiliates operate). No offence but telling Nazgul, who runs a site of that scale that he doesnt get it is pretty ignorant.

If you would put in few millions into this, I think it MIGHT have reach enough traffic for PS/FTP to make a slight adjustment ( or just use their lawyers to finish the site ).
I seriously dont want to go into details since I would have to point out ton of stuff that would take me like an hour to write if I wanted a detailed post.




please reread what you're responding to

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Steal City   United States. Dec 19 2010 03:47. Posts 2537

jchysk, I would just ignore people who are not distinguishing between the site and the software which will lead to other commercialized sites.

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Helmet   Philippines. Dec 19 2010 04:07. Posts 930


  On December 19 2010 00:04 joLin wrote:
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not sure whats going on here but your attitude isnt very comforting. i dunno about other ppl but personally i wouldnt put any money on your site.


yup. it just shows i do not have any financial interests or plans of making profit from this project. if they kick me out of the team for having a big mouth, sure... i won't take it against them.

People who are brash and not image focused, people who are the opposite of sycophantic are maybe stereotypically the most trustworthy. - Steal City 

Garfed   Malta. Dec 19 2010 05:25. Posts 4818


  On December 19 2010 02:45 Steal City wrote:
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please reread what you're responding to

Did, and post stands as it is.
Anyway, not going to bother anymore. GL/HF fun with the project.

 Last edit: 19/12/2010 05:27

 
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