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Nazgul    Netherlands. Dec 14 2010 20:24. Posts 7080

You'd be crazy to deposit money onto a community ran poker network.

You almost twin-caracked his AK - JonnyCosmo 

whamm!   Albania. Dec 14 2010 20:34. Posts 11625

Well if this doesnt get support then it's going to fail. Genjix is not a terrible or dishonest person fwiw. I havent heard of any open source project that had a community around it make more than enough other than to support development. There is a reason why linux never took off as desktop OS and that is the LACK of support and nothing else. But on the server side of things, it is just as secure and even MORE secure than any expensive server platform, that's why it's being used up to this day by all big companies
It's kind of upsetting that people who don't even have a clue how open source works are immediately against it. People who will run the project will not become instant millionaires because players try this site out. Wsex cannot be compared to this project since wsex ran a sports betting company and is just like any other poker site out their with closed sources, all this time we put our faith in statistical impossiblilites just because "oh no, its pokerstars, it must be FAIR" lol any elite programmer can tell you how doable it is to rig games with proprietary software if it will make them billions in revenue, but no they cant be doing funny stuff or deploying superusers because it will be bad for business.
Anything to help this project out before it dies ( like other hundreds and thousands of programs out there who dont get enough support) should at least be considered. You CAN work on your game and support this project, ppl need not be defensive about looking like a fish or belong to the "losing players , fpp pro demographic " to support this. The possbility alone that this can be done is good enough at least to be looked at . its going to be good for players and keep poker companies on their toes some much needed pressure from what the players really need.

 Last edit: 14/12/2010 20:38

Helmet   Philippines. Dec 14 2010 20:39. Posts 930


  On December 14 2010 19:34 whamm! wrote:
People who will run the project will not become instant millionaires because players try this site out.



it's not about making money... it is giving the people an alternative... also here's some positive feed back from entity of DC:

http://www.deucescracked.com/forums/4...sion/300301-support-genjix-s-new-proj

People who are brash and not image focused, people who are the opposite of sycophantic are maybe stereotypically the most trustworthy. - Steal CityLast edit: 14/12/2010 20:40

Exhilarate   United States. Dec 14 2010 20:40. Posts 5453


  On December 14 2010 16:52 EvilSky wrote:
Im all for this and hope it does well but personally Id rather pay rake for the rest of my life on stars.


whamm!   Albania. Dec 14 2010 20:50. Posts 11625


  On December 14 2010 19:39 Helmet wrote:
Show nested quote +



it's not about making money... it is giving the people an alternative... also here's some positive feed back from entity of DC:

http://www.deucescracked.com/forums/4...sion/300301-support-genjix-s-new-proj



uhh i think im on board with you on this. read carefully what i posted lol
i said THEY wont be making money on this. the concept is based on p2p, much like torrents and stuff. theres just no way to stop them and they will be something companies will have to deal with and keep them in check. this whole conecpt just needs to have the support of the open source community, sadly , there are very few people who understand it and play serious poker. for a living. making this whole thing look bad and silly really. this whole thing needs to be explained in a less technical way

 Last edit: 14/12/2010 20:52

WRAWRAWRAWRA   United States. Dec 14 2010 20:53. Posts 39


  On December 14 2010 16:19 Helmet wrote:
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of course it will. you just have to support it.

also to the people who are clueless, read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source_movement

genjix's project is something like a "poker version" of the open source movement.
yeah but most open source software doesn't concern thousands (possibly even millions) of dollars. even linux (which is open source) often turns to proprietary distros when it concerns servers. you would need the support of some GREAT programmers, would need perfectly pure and uncorruptable project leaders, an initial group of people willing to try it, etc etc.

aka it won't work.

KENYAN LIONS WHAT I DO NOW?!?!?! 

WRAWRAWRAWRA   United States. Dec 14 2010 20:57. Posts 39

also, you wouldn't (and shouldn't) be eager or willing to deposit on the cereus network. but is it that much shadier than an open-source project? i really can't imagine this ever taking off and sustaining itself with great success.

KENYAN LIONS WHAT I DO NOW?!?!?! 

Helmet   Philippines. Dec 14 2010 20:59. Posts 930


  On December 14 2010 19:53 WRAWRAWRAWRA wrote:
Show nested quote +

yeah but most open source software doesn't concern thousands (possibly even millions) of dollars. even linux (which is open source) often turns to proprietary distros when it concerns servers. you would need the support of some GREAT programmers, would need perfectly pure and uncorruptable project leaders, an initial group of people willing to try it, etc etc.

aka it won't work.



it won't work, it will work... who knows. but this is a good thing with great potential.

People who are brash and not image focused, people who are the opposite of sycophantic are maybe stereotypically the most trustworthy. - Steal City 

milkman   United States. Dec 14 2010 21:07. Posts 5719

funny how SOO many great programmers have no idea what is useful and just a complete waste of time..

Its hard to make a easy buck legally, its impossible to make a easy buck morally. 

Helmet   Philippines. Dec 14 2010 21:12. Posts 930

it's not a waste of time once you get enough users logging in... give it a chance.

People who are brash and not image focused, people who are the opposite of sycophantic are maybe stereotypically the most trustworthy. - Steal City 

whamm!   Albania. Dec 14 2010 21:14. Posts 11625


  On December 14 2010 19:57 WRAWRAWRAWRA wrote:
also, you wouldn't (and shouldn't) be eager or willing to deposit on the cereus network. but is it that much shadier than an open-source project? i really can't imagine this ever taking off and sustaining itself with great success.




it doesnt even have to be a resounding success. why does it have to be the premiere poker room in the universe for it to work? i dont get this attitude. the project isnt asking us for a hundred bucks or a dollar, doesnt even require you to spend your whole day discussing it. im pretty sure everyone here's sent 2cents to kidpoker as a goof but refuse to give the idea any help or attention whatsoever, even shoot the idea down for some reason. anyway poker players might have something better to do with their time like go to facebook or play cod and sc2. personally im happy with the status quo, i make enough money for myself and have no plans of playing years from now, its jsut a good idea to have alternatives for everyone who needs it thats all, couldnt care less tbh, but the idea in itself is a good one which can benefit the vast majority and i hate seeing it go to waste like that.


Helmet   Philippines. Dec 14 2010 21:21. Posts 930

imagine pokerstars, ftp.. etc.. etc.. as these "big casinos". in those "big casinos", you get fpp pros, rake back pros, those solid grinders. now, sometimes you just wanna play poker with your friends, have fun and relax. where do you go? to a "home game", where poker is pure, fun and the way it should be. so you get your bit coin... log in that "home game" site without rake, play for a few hours then withdraw and log out.

so the whole idea of this site is just to give you an alternative. you don't even have to build a BR in that site and leave insane amounts in it. it's all about having fun playing poker.

People who are brash and not image focused, people who are the opposite of sycophantic are maybe stereotypically the most trustworthy. - Steal CityLast edit: 14/12/2010 21:24

chris   United States. Dec 14 2010 21:56. Posts 5503

i am in support of this project. if it is in its infancy and has lots of room to improve. i support rake free poker and if genjix can put together a legit site where everything is safe, secure, and fun/easy to play on, why not support him? lets get some fish on it!

i wish we didnt shoot down every idea that comes up if there is already an established alternative. think about commercial jets vs ocean liners? who wants to take a jet when we know these boats work fine.

probalby not quite the same, im just saying we should give it a chance, not deposit any money until its 100% secure, transparent, etc and we need fish. it could still be a good piece of software

5 minute showers are my 8 minute abs. - Neilly 

vasoline73   United States. Dec 14 2010 22:18. Posts 808

Would like to see the project work but I don't know that I could help with anything other than being a test player or something. Either way, I don't think anyone expects this to "beat" the major sites... it could just be a nice alternative. .

Good luck to the people behind it


nlloser60   . Dec 14 2010 22:23. Posts 304

+1 to the project idea.


Minsk   United States. Dec 14 2010 22:25. Posts 1558

obviously worth supporting...if it works correct...guessing making it work correct is the harder part


thewh00sel    United States. Dec 14 2010 22:29. Posts 2734

I think this is a good idea with some solid potential. Even if it doesn't take over it can set a trend that will lower rake. Players should probably support this movement.

A government is the most dangerous threat to man’s rights: it holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force against legally disarmed victims. - Ayn Rand 

locoo   Peru. Dec 14 2010 23:14. Posts 4561

great idea, rake free online poker would be so sweet, it's funny tho that some players wonder... "wtf i'm a breakeven rakeback pro how am I gonna win money at this site?"

bitte bitte bitte bitte bitte bitte 

WhereDaHoneyz   United States. Dec 14 2010 23:34. Posts 29

Hello everyone, genjix here.

First point: I don't like that the title has my name in it. Other people are also investing considerable effort and money into this venture. Without them, I'd have made some pretty terrible decisions already. Notice the 2+2 thread where I always refer to "our" project, not "my" project.

The project started a while back when on these forums people were arguing with me that it's impossible to make Poker software. That I'm stupid and don't understand the costs involved. People were throwing words around about the rake and how it could never be fixed.

So I went off and just started writing a Poker room. I wanted to show everyone here that you're all being scammed. That Poker software is the easiest thing in the world to write. Furthermore you can take control of your destinies. I had a little fear that maybe Poker players aren't as altruistic or as self-less as the hacker subculture or free-software enthusiasts are.

I made a few posts here and there and then jchysk joined up. Since then we've been working closely and he's been doing a ton of work. We needed testers so we at our first online meeting, we decided that we'd try to find a few people from the community who'd be willing to test- maybe a couple of people. I made a post on 2+2 and next day- nothing. Then I made a second post, this time more furious and passionate and came back.

Really we did not expect today when posting, the huge amount of interest. My PM has been swamped by people congratulating us. It's touching. My favourite:

  Hello,

You Sir, are my hero, and you're not only 1000% more prepared then anyone else so far, you also are handling the shills and unnecessary negativity like a true champion.

You may not need this encouragement but I wanted to send it anyway. Just watch this work it's self out This is only the beginning...



Ah shucks. And lots of new volunteers. So this co-operative spirit you see elsewhere in Wikipedia, Linux, ... There are wellsprings of this goodwill swimming around the greed and egoism. Poker players can seize the technology from the masters.

Right now, we were just looking for a few testers. We've met that quota by far. Next we will just get on with making the software and once it's complete, we will put it out there. No point arguing with people in self-denial until the proof is in their face.

The internet, Linux, Wikipedia, Wikileaks, ... These were all ridiculed early-on as destined to fail.


  On December 14 2010 19:12 redrain0125 wrote:
cliffnotes: genjix cant be a winner in poker


http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/genjix
My results say 0.2 ptbb at NL50 and 2ptbb at NL25.

Or maybe I've just been a huge Linux fan since 14 years old, very much involved in technology and it pains me to see the exploitative situation in this area. Yes, I am one of those all-information-should-be-free non-copyright hacker types with a libertarian/anarchist slant.
You can read my essay on software freedom:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Genjix/Free_Software

Everyone else: you're _all_ valuable. Just having your ideas. The amount of creative solutions that people proposed to me today was incredible and blows my mind.
Hope to see you on the IRC chat this Thursday at GMT 2200
irc://irc.freenode.org/pokerface
http://pastecoin.com/cgi-bin/irc.cgi (web interface for non-IRC users)

cya.


Bejamin1   Canada. Dec 14 2010 23:55. Posts 7042


  On December 14 2010 19:24 Nazgul wrote:
You'd be crazy to deposit money onto a community ran poker network.



Honestly considering you make money off of Pokerstars and FTP through referrals I'm not sure your opinion is the most unbiased on the subject. It's been mentioned in this thread and it's true open source security is just as good. It's all well and good to be cautious but any security issue is going to be openly debated and fixed. Why is it you feel so secure with Pokerstars just because it's a commercial enterprize? UB and Absolute bet were in the same boat and guess what they fucked people over. Same with smaller private skins like RedNines and stuff like that.

Sorry dude he Jason Bourned me. -Johnny Drama 

 
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