[H] Building a desktop PC grindstation 9000 - Page 2

wtf, if your gonna get a 64 bit processor/64 bit version of windows why wouldn't you get 6 + gigs of ram?

and wtf is with that graphics card -.- get ati or nvidia please ^^

seems like more than a grindstation you want an all purpose computer with some gaming capabilities. in which case this is fine. (if u wanted a computer to only play poker, it would cost u like 200-300 bucks -.-)

On September 01 2009 13:18 jasper5408 wrote: wtf, if your gonna get a 64 bit processor/64 bit version of windows why wouldn't you get 6 + gigs of ram? and wtf is with that graphics card -.- get ati or nvidia please ^^ seems like more than a grindstation you want an all purpose computer with some gaming capabilities. in which case this is fine. (if u wanted a computer to only play poker, it would cost u like 200-300 bucks -.-)

30" monitors tend to require good gfx cards

a look at the i7 line wouldn't be a half bad idea either, altho there is a considerable price jump in both mobo and cpu if you don't plan on upgrading for a few years

yeah i did think about i7ing it up but saw the price jump and thought sticking with quadzilla for now is best due to:
- still looks like solid processing power for much more reasonable cost
- im happy to overclock its nuts off
- im happy to upgrade to i7 without delay when the time becomes right

sounds reasonable?

jasper the card is an ati lol... different manufacturers make ati and nvidia cards

and interesting info on the ram, i get kinda annoyed with my current laptop being slow and struggling sometimes, i really like the idea of a comp that will just take everything i throw at it effortlessly and manage with tons of heavy multitasking going on all at once without breaking much of a sweat so 8gb it is i think

I'd suggest getting 2 500gb hd's, if u ever have to reinstall ur operating system it makes it super ez

Or an external hd

Already got an external hd with a ton of stuff on it m8

On September 01 2009 12:48 NewbSaibot wrote: the only reason to get 6gb right now is if youre going for the new corei7 type build. 4gb is plenty of vista. I have a vista box that runs Crysis, Farcry2, Fallout3, all the latest games just fine on 4gb. Certainly not any less though. 8gb is massive overkill even for multi-tasking. Im at work right now so Ill take a stab at the build too. Ultimately its not horribly wrong or anything, if you put this together it will boot. Just a few mismatched parts that dont compliment each other very well, possible bottlenecking etc.

plz tell me more about the mismatched parts that dont compliment and possible bottlenecking. this is exactly the sort of feedback i need before i do it!

oh weird, that must be a uk thing -.-

all i can say is if your planning on getting 64bit version of windows i like 6 gb, if you're getting 32bit, 3gb is the max the computer can use
-if you have good experience with overclocking, u should def look into i7

are u planning on overclocking ram/gpu?

SSD harddisk for sure, improves performance way more than any other component, prob the intel x25 is the way to go!
harddisk will be the bottleneck otherwise

The man asked for advice, not for everyone's two cents. I understand you mean well, but if you do not recognize one of the largest video card manufacturing brands in the world or if you have not built a computer in the last two years then I don't think you should be giving advice to someone trying to build an efficient machine right now.

As for the HDD, I would go smaller x2 as it seems once you make the jump to 1TB+, failure rates go through the roof regardless of what brand/model hard drive you're using. Since you set a higher budget, you should go with a solid state drive for your OS and other vital apps and then just get a WD 640gb drive for internal storage?

Also, definitely purchase matching RAM kits (I'm with Loco at 8gb) and make sure your motherboard plays nice with the brand that you choose.

I don't think the i7 is worth the price hike, nor is a more expensive video card for what you want to do. (The 4850 is one of the greatest [now] entry-level priced cards ever)

With that said, you should be good to go with a great (big)bang for the buck machine.

On September 01 2009 18:42 jasper5408 wrote: oh weird, that must be a uk thing -.- all i can say is if your planning on getting 64bit version of windows i like 6 gb, if you're getting 32bit, 3gb is the max the computer can use -if you have good experience with overclocking, u should def look into i7 are u planning on overclocking ram/gpu?

why do you like 6gb over 8gb?

thanks deezy, looking into different hdd options now.

I posted my proposed build on a uk computer building community and they gave me the feedback I should just stick with DDR2 memory for now since theres a price hike for ddr3 (and id save money on a p45 mobo for ddr2 memory) and if im gonna upgrade to i7 in a couple years i should just wait till then to go ddr3 when it becomes cheaper and faster

I'm now looking at this mobo/memory combo:

Asus P5Q Deluxe P45 Socket 775 8 Channel Audio ATX Motherboard
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/145748

Corsair 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2 800MHz/PC2-6400 XMS2 DHX Memory Kit Non-ECC Unbuffered CL5
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/140132

thoughts on that?

Also holy crap solid state drives seem expensive. How much space do you think I'd need for the OS, frequently used progs, HEM and potentially large HEM databases? Anything else I'd wanna put on the SSD? And I notice SSD drives are 2.5 inch SATA whereas harddrives would be 3.5 inch SATA, they'd still just fit on the regular SATA slots on the mobo right?

edit: scratch that, SSD seems overkill. Gonna go for this,
Western Digital WD3000HLFS 300GB Hard Drive SATAII 10000rpm 16MB Cache - OEM WD VelociRaptor
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/149435

I was going to recommend the velociraptor. It's a smarter decision for now, SSD are still too expensive, although I'm sure they are really impressive. I own that same velociraptor and it's fast enough.

I also like the idea of getting DDR2 ram, it's very cheap for not that big of a difference and you can upgrade the whole build later. 8GB of corsair DDR2 is a good choice. I'd try to find higher clocks than 800MHz though, even though they generally can be overclocked to 1000Mhz easily.
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/146918

nice, decided on the raptor then. but lol that memory you linked is very much in ddr3 price territory, it would feel wrong getting that haha. is Crucial a good memory brand? I was thinking of getting this memory

Crucial 4GB (2X2GB) DDR2 800MHz/PC2-6400 Ballistix Memory CL4 2.0V
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143844

Also the mobo I linked before (my second mobo choice) is now out of stock so here's my third candidate for mobo:
ASUS P5Q SE iP45 Socket 775 8 channel audio ATX Motherboard
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/150285

decently cheaper than the other two I was looking at, I suspect this may be exactly the right mobo for me and I was looking at ones that had too much for my uses prior to this.

I'm hoping to have stuff finalised and ordered in a few hours so I can get it all delivered tomorrow (friday) in time for weekend grinding. So one last blat of final feedback on everything I have would be massively appreciated, i'll post the finalised list of everything im getting in one post in a little bit

Final(????) build proposal


Coolermaster HAF 932 Full Tower Case - High Air Flow Design - No PSU
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/148685
Splashing out here, but the case is the one thing that won't need replacing in future upgrades so I figure why not

Coolermaster Silent Pro 500W Modular PSU
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147112

ASUS P5Q PRO Turbo iP45 Socket 775 8 -Channel Audio ATX Motherboard
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/165395

Crucial 4GB (2X2GB) DDR2 800MHz/PC2-6400 Ballistix Memory CL4 2.0V
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143844
two of these

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 2.83GHz (FSB 1333MHz) Socket 775 L2 12MB Cache Retail Boxed
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/141515

Arctic Cooling AC-FRZ-7P Freezer 7 Pro Socket 775 Processor Cooler
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/105994

XFX HD 4850 1GB DDR3 Dual DVI HDCP HDTV out PCI-E Graphics Card
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/168453

Western Digital WD3000HLFS 300GB Hard Drive SATAII 10000rpm 16MB Cache - OEM WD VelociRaptor
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/149435

LG GH22NS40 22X SATA DVD±RW/DL/RAM Black Bare Drive - OEM
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/151999

Microsoft Windows Vista Business w/SP1 - W/ Windows 7 Upgrade Offer Form - licence and media - 1 PC - OEM - DVD - 64-bit - English
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/167589




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crucial ballistix is good stuff.

dont know anything about that mobo. wouldn't expect to get great overclocking result with it.

definitely would pick a corsair PSU... so reliable and 450W from a corsair is more efficient than 500 from coolermaster
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/152606

rest looks cool

cable management with a modular PSU is also a charm.

The mobo seems solid and supposedly has tons of good overclocking options, a sicko with 30k posts on a uk building forum recommended it to me as a step up from a more basic model I was looking at. Also the PSU efficiency is quoted at 85% for both PSUs and 450W might be cutting it a little fine esp if i decide to add stuff.. my calculated 'estimated' wattage atm is at 412W I believe.

On September 01 2009 12:01 Ket wrote:...Operating system Microsoft Windows Vista...

Don't. Stick to XP till W7 is ready.

Hm interesting choice of grafic card.
might do well for you in case u only need it for poker + sc2

However a XFX 4890 is an average of 40% faster in video games + only costs 65£ more
It can probably play every upcomming game of the next 2 years in good/medium quality

I just mention this cause i am really surprised u talk about overclocking options of the motherboard

On September 02 2009 08:27 anheway wrote: Show nested quote + On September 01 2009 12:01 Ket wrote:...Operating system Microsoft Windows Vista... Don't. Stick to XP till W7 is ready.

I hear so many vista haters all around.


I myself got Vista64 SP1 some month ago being a Windows XP 32 bit user for 4 years.
I yet fail to notice how Vista is worse than XP.

I had some problems with 32bit drivers at first (Logitech MX310mouse, D-Link Network adapter,some older software) ... but they all could get fixed with the help of the Internetz.

Recent Benchmarks of different hardware magazines have shown that Vista64 sp1 is on average only 1% slower in Video games than XP 32 ( Which means difference will be 0,3 - 2 fps maximum)

other than that Vista 64 runs smooth for me and looks nice