$5/10 live vs p3achy

$5/10 at Venetian. Table is very tough compared to most $5/10 games but still softer than most $2/4 games online. Everyone is 300+bb deep. I start the hand with about $4k, p3achy covers. He's been playing like 80/50 so far, and I've gotten the best of him in several pots. I don't think he's taking it too seriously but he's definitely not purely splashing around either.

UTG random limps, p3achy limps, I raise to $60 with , both limpers call. Flop is . They check to me, I bet $120, first limper folds, p3achy calls.

Turn is . p3achy leads $320. Thoughts?

I planned to call turn and call any river that didn't improve my hand, raise for value on river Q/T/h, perhaps fold on a non-heart king. What about raising the turn?

I haven't played with p3achy much so I don't have any more detailed reads, except that I do (for various reasons) think that he's capable of check/calling the flop and leading the turn with total air. (Am I wrong about that?)

On April 16 2009 15:54 [vital]Myth wrote: I haven't played with p3achy much so I don't have any more detailed reads, except that I do (for various reasons) think that he's capable of check/calling the flop and leading the turn with total air. (Am I wrong about that?)

ElkY: "Isn't peachy a nit ?"

my plan would be the same as yours

fuck am I leveled now -________-

Im guessing something like: river 2c peachy snapbets 2x pot

uhh i dont see a reason to raise turn, i mean i assume he would iso a better Q pre so it doesnt make sense to fold him off it no ? I guess Id call and call any river that doesnt make the flush.

Don't think I ever raise the turn here

Call turn / soul-read river

1440 and call shove if he ever shoves in this spot

if this hand were against old fish mcgee and the same action happened there would be nothing to talk about

and there still shouldnt be anyways imo --

seems as standard as it gets

On April 16 2009 21:16 PoorUser wrote: P3achy mcgee is an old fish

On April 16 2009 19:47 kaboom wrote: 1440 and call shove if he ever shoves in this spot

i kinda like this, and afterward p3achy talked about raising the turn to induce a shove, which is why i made the thread

On April 17 2009 02:24 Fraser wrote: Show nested quote + On April 16 2009 21:16 PoorUser wrote: P3achy mcgee is an old fish

On April 16 2009 15:54 [vital]Myth wrote: I haven't played with p3achy much so I don't have any more detailed reads,

which is why raising the turn is probably bad

ya i mean if u had more history or something maybe u can consider inducing

but it seems fine to just call and prob call msot rivs

fold


LOL couldn't resist

ok thats obviously a joke
ye i like ur line a lot, the only reason i wouldn't do the raise turn is cuz i think peachy might turn to stone imagining the extreme power of my hand with my image however thats neither here nor there. the main reason why i like ur original line better is because its peachy keen and i hardly have a read on him to make such a thin play. not to mention its such a wierd spot that i think he'll be more comfortable with than I, in the moment. in which case i think that he'd make better decisions in the marginal spot than i would leading me to have a lot of variance and be kinda lost. I'm not saying im right im just sharing my thoughts of why i wouldn't raise

there are 0 hands that make sense for him to ship it over a large raise on the turn except all the bullshit he is taking this line with

maybe a retarded played QJ but that's about it.

flat the turn

shove river over his bet if you don't improve because he's folding his entire range no matter what (this is peachy we are talking about here...LMAO)

if you improve make a gayish raise size to try and get some value

Mm, shoving rivers is really a decent move. I think a decent regular most likely will have Q4s/KQ/AQ if he bets river normally and T9 some of the time if he overbets , so you should flat turn and fold/shove river. But Peachy knows we know how a reg thinks, so he could outlevel us. Bad thing for him is that his strongest hand is a weirdly played QJ, which probably check-raises turn anyway.

he never in a million years can ever even be close to having QJ because he limped preflop

QJ is literally 0% given the way the game is going

he never has AQ or KQ either, unless he feels like playing all his hands in a weird way

also he might not fold to a shove on the river, cuz well, this is play money

he has J7 offsuit

If i was peachy i'd expect you to CALL the turn more time then not and then play accordingly on river eg. give up or overbet for value. Either way you aren't getting any more value so i vote raise turn but not to 1440, rather something less. Good spot to raise turn with anything if you ask me cause he can never have QQ/JJ. Your only concern is 44/77 and you know how that hand goes down.

he doesn't have 44 or 77 either, he limped preflop. the ONLY better hands he can ever have are Q7, J7, and possibly 74. that's why raising the turn to induce a bluff is considerable, because his range to limpcall-checkcall-lead is almost 100% air or an OESD or a picked up lower FD

I think raising turn to induce can be good in this spot if he won't expect you to raise/call 1 pair hands. Other than that option this hand is pretty straightforward flat turn soulread river.

Before you call the turn, give the fish speech of 'if I call, check/check river ok?' Then bomb the river no matter if you improve or not and tell eric to eat it.

On April 21 2009 08:54 iakim322 wrote: Before you call the turn, give the fish speech of 'if I call, check/check river ok?' Then bomb the river no matter if you improve or not and tell eric to eat it.

do you think this issue could be taken to the floor? because if not, im going to use it to tilt the shit out of the douchebags at the tables

i think if you agree to check/check you have to check, he could call the floor and u'd be owned

On April 21 2009 14:25 Fayth wrote: i think if you agree to check/check you have to check, he could call the floor and u'd be owned

lol no

On April 21 2009 15:27 Rekrul wrote: Show nested quote + On April 21 2009 14:25 Fayth wrote: i think if you agree to check/check you have to check, he could call the floor and u'd be owned lol no

no? well I've seen some floormen come up with some stupid decisions in vegas

On April 20 2009 17:17 MezmerizePLZ wrote: I think raising turn to induce can be good in this spot if he won't expect you to raise/call 1 pair hands. Other than that option this hand is pretty straightforward flat turn soulread river.

he should be expecting this almost always btw, that's why raising turn is bad.

lol cosmo

"so obvious! peachy def expects you to raise the turn and then call a 3bet in this spot with 1 pair! duh!"

wtf are you talking about

On April 30 2009 15:56 [vital]Myth wrote: lol cosmo "so obvious! peachy def expects you to raise the turn and then call a 3bet in this spot with 1 pair! duh!" wtf are you talking about

its peachy, he can read your mind obv.

Fayth, agreements like that are definitely not enforceable by the casino.

yeah there's a big difference between "agreeing to check" and "announcing a check"

like, if peachy checked in the dark before the river card, his check would be enforceable. but if peachy said "check it down on the river?" and i agreed, then he could not force me to check behind by checking.

alright, didn't know

and obv cosmo's comment up there is totally dumb xD