NL2000 AA herocall?

Villians running at 13/11/4%3bet/200hands haven't really seen him around so i don't know much about him..

Submitted by : AndrewSong

Full Tilt Poker Game #11344499683: Table Orchard Valley - $10/$20 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:00:19 ET - 2009/03/26
Seat 1: Five_8s ($2,818)
Seat 2: sk1952 ($0), is sitting out
Seat 3: Volker_Racho ($2,939.50)
Seat 4: NeverBluffing30 ($2,037)
Seat 5: RolandThetrault ($2,010)
Seat 6: BSS Rulez ($370)
Seat 7: Andrew Song ($2,988)
Seat 8: kontra02 ($400)
Seat 9: pay_u_off ($3,454)
RolandThetrault posts the small blind of $10
BSS Rulez posts the big blind of $20
The button is in seat #4

Holecards
Dealt to Andrew Song
Andrew Song raises to $60
pay_u_off has 15 seconds left to act
pay_u_off calls $60
Five_8s folds
Volker_Racho has 15 seconds left to act
Volker_Racho raises to $270
NeverBluffing30 folds
RolandThetrault folds
BSS Rulez folds
Andrew Song has 15 seconds left to act
Andrew Song raises to $620
pay_u_off folds
sk1952 adds $1,000
Volker_Racho has 15 seconds left to act
sk1952 has returned
Volker_Racho calls $350

Flop (Pot : $1,330.00)

   
Andrew Song checks
Volker_Racho has 15 seconds left to act
Volker_Racho bets $450
Andrew Song calls $450

Turn (Pot : $2,230.00)

   
Andrew Song checks
Volker_Racho has 15 seconds left to act
Volker_Racho bets $1,869.50, and is all in
Andrew Song has 15 seconds left to act

fold seems good. he is tight, those cards hit his range completely. end thread.

why would KK shove turn?

why not?, he has top set on a superdrawy board and the pot is already 100bb+, he says fuck it I shove

So you think he shoves Qx and bluffs? What kind of bluffs?

i dont think hell ever have Qx.. i figured its AK or KK
meh i guess not worth discussing.
"Fuck it i have top set all in" seems good

On March 26 2009 18:47 Zanjong wrote: So you think he shoves Qx and bluffs? What kind of bluffs?

he prob shoves clubs

seriously if he has KK, just take the 2 outer like a man, u 4bet, well played, I don't see why he would go setmining with KK there, he'd prob get it in pre flop, unless ur image sucks too much for dat

I like ur flop check,but why don't you go AI after that?If he has set-well it is 4-bet pot so w/e.U let him bluff so now just get it in

yeah if you check flop it should be to check jam imo, esp when he bets 450 only

On March 27 2009 11:33 RaSZi wrote: with these stacksizes I don't like ur 4-bet size that much, I think if you make 750 he will shove more and call the hands he would call with this sizing anyway. And yeah checkshove

I agree

thanks for the advice every1

FYL

that board can't get any worse for a 4bet pot in 9 handed game.

As played I fold turn, but I would play flop differently. I think I like check/push the best or small bet like 1/3 of the pot (didnt check stack sizes but in case if it is reasonable) to induce stupid moves and get it in. If he calls well then it sucks and I think u have to fold turn.

On March 26 2009 20:03 PoorUser wrote: yeah if you check flop it should be to check jam imo, esp when he bets 450 only

u 4 bet, the money goes on the flop...

as played u gotta fold turn imo, but you shouldnt be in this spot.

Like people said if you thought his range on the flop was AK,KK why didnt you shove? He also has KQs,AQcc too tho so on the turn you probably arent getting enough odds to call.

cuz ak folds to shove and i would rather take a line to get all of his monies when im ahead. he will never have aq/kq for sure...

if he's calling your 4bet with AK, he's certainly not folding to a shove on this flop

why cant he have AQ clubs and KQs ??

On March 28 2009 18:08 EvilSky wrote: why cant he have AQ clubs and KQs ??

because this is full ring... hes 3-betting our UTG with KQs and calling a 4-bet?

On March 28 2009 12:27 AndrewSong wrote: cuz ak folds to shove and i would rather take a line to get all of his monies when im ahead. he will never have aq/kq for sure...

so he calls a 4-bet with AK to re-evaluate after flopping TPTK?

On March 28 2009 20:24 TalentedTom wrote: Show nested quote + On March 28 2009 12:27 AndrewSong wrote: cuz ak folds to shove and i would rather take a line to get all of his monies when im ahead. he will never have aq/kq for sure... so he calls a 4-bet with AK to re-evaluate after flopping TPTK?

Ya i think AK should approach K high flop very cautiously in this situation. two standard line top tier fr regs usually takes here with KK&AK would be to check the flop to potcontrol with AK&KK(to balance out the check with AK) or bet and re-evaluate with AK. KK would play it self with the bet. which is why i wanted opinion on this hand since i dont encounter his line daily.

I wouldn't fault you if you had folded flop. (full ring vs a decent? regular)

smells like kings

On March 28 2009 13:08 Fayth wrote: if he's calling your 4bet with AK, he's certainly not folding to a shove on this flop

rofl yeah well, what can he put you on, if you 4bet and check that flop?, that he feels fine shoving the turn?

i think he has KK JJ here 99% of the time. fold is definetly fine. but c/c the flop was terrible lol.

dunno why u opened an old thread but plz dont insult my game if my 1pot is bigger then ur bankroll. sadly racho told me he had AK so it mustve been the 1% lol =[

On July 31 2009 01:20 AndrewSong wrote: dunno why u opened an old thread but plz dont insult my game if my 1pot is bigger then ur bankroll. sadly racho did have AK so it mustve been the 1% lol =[

i've probably played more nl2k in one month than you ever had in your whole life kid, sadly you're right your one pot is bigger than my whole br right now by an infinite %.

you're justifying yourself being results oriented, i hope you realize here thats the last shit on his range.

haha no way. ive been playing 10/20nl+ regularly from almost the beginning of my poker career to now. I just stopped playing much online yrs ago cuz i realized to be a winner at online 20game now, u have to be a faggot nerd that's extremely lucky

On July 31 2009 01:40 Myrevolution wrote: Show nested quote + On July 31 2009 01:20 AndrewSong wrote: dunno why u opened an old thread but plz dont insult my game if my 1pot is bigger then ur bankroll. sadly racho did have AK so it mustve been the 1% lol =[ i've probably played more nl2k in one month than you ever had in your whole life kid, sadly you're right your one pot is bigger than my whole br right now by an infinite %. you're justifying yourself being results oriented, i hope you realize here thats the last shit on his range.

You sound like a huge fucking douchebag.

On July 31 2009 18:20 Twisted wrote: Show nested quote + On July 31 2009 01:40 Myrevolution wrote:   On July 31 2009 01:20 AndrewSong wrote: dunno why u opened an old thread but plz dont insult my game if my 1pot is bigger then ur bankroll. sadly racho did have AK so it mustve been the 1% lol =[ i've probably played more nl2k in one month than you ever had in your whole life kid, sadly you're right your one pot is bigger than my whole br right now by an infinite %. you're justifying yourself being results oriented, i hope you realize here thats the last shit on his range. You sound like a huge fucking douchebag.

I spent about 10 minutes yesterday when I saw his post trying to write a reasonable response on why I felt this was really out of place.

I couldn't do it.