Guitar - Page 4

I searched for 50 cent on spotify, since it was something that everyone could relate to.

Since I was showing the program to lp.

sOah played me some death metal when he was staying at my house, and I'm sorry I do not like it, I had friends at boarding school who played death metal 24/7. I just dont find it appealing.

I on the other hand listen to alot of: classical, house, electro, progressive/minimal house, indie, alternative rock, hard rock, rap, some rnb, and hiphop

I'm more of an acoustic kinda guy. blues guitar for the mother fucking win.

jamming that shit high with some people is the fucking nuts imo.

once again, it wasn't about trying to convince you to listen to death metal or anything, just trying to prove a point

you cannot say you dislike something before you actually have a grasp about what it is all about. just like ikc5 said, most of the bands he now loves he didn't like at all first.

On September 05 2008 17:18 iop wrote: I still stand strong army steady saying that I do not like death metal, stop trying to argue with me about what I like and what I don't like?

oh, that's wonderful. Nobody asked you to, however your attitude toward it and willingness to dismiss entire genres implies you're definitely less passionate, open minded, and apt to try new things in music.

There's a big difference between "unlistenable" and not enjoying a genre(as a whole, you'd be able to find a band you liked if you were willing to look deeper). "unlistenable" implies you think the entire group, which you've heard none of, is just crap and there is no redeeming value anywhere, that is simply untrue of any genre of music and you'd probably be less closed and stubborn if it were a different genre because you have so many ridiculous stereotypes about death metal.

you guys all need to smoke a bowl and chill out. music is music. what sounds good sounds good. Art is subjective and shit nom sayin?

On September 05 2008 17:46 ikc5 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 05 2008 17:18 iop wrote: I still stand strong army steady saying that I do not like death metal, stop trying to argue with me about what I like and what I don't like? oh, that's wonderful. Nobody asked you to, however your attitude toward it and willingness to dismiss entire genres implies you're definitely less passionate, open minded, and apt to try new things in music.

sOah on a proxy?

Drowsy on tl.net, somebody stole my name : (.

On September 05 2008 17:44 YoMeR wrote: I'm more of an acoustic kinda guy. blues guitar for the mother fucking win. jamming that shit high with some people is the fucking nuts imo.

Well, arguing that you can't classify a genre as complete shit, especially when the genre's premise is that it should have as few confines and as much variety as possible isn't helping the op learn to play guitar.

This reminds me for serious advice. Look up the blues scale online. Spend a few days or even a few hours just playing this scale over and over until you're comfortable playing it ascending and descending at a decent pace. Now just mess around and play the notes on the scale in any random order with different note values for each one. You can learn to do basic blues improv after just a few hours of playing guitar and it sounds pretty damn cool, especially with a touch of reverb/delay/chorus and distortion from your amp and your pickups in single coil or bridge position. As you get more comfortable you can add in simple diads, maybe some more complex chords, change keys, and do some string bending. It's a great way to develop your chops and your speed/accuracy while actually sounding musical. Just playing scales all day with a metronome will get boring very quickly. It's also great in a social setting if a guitar somehow ends up in your lap and you have no idea what to play because you're too drunk/high/stuffed from BBQ.

Improv is actually a really important part of development as a guitarist and a songwriter. When you get into playing a little more, I'd definitely recommend staying away from tabs as much as possible and start some type of ear training program and transcribing songs yourself. This is gonna be really helpful down the road when you start actually writing your own material. You can improv on any of the scales, but most of them are going to sound rather bright, cheery, and boring if you're not experienced. The blues scale and a few other scales sound really cool even if you don't know what you're doing very much and it'll help you develop the foundations of your mechanical skills.

There's a pretty good resource for beginning guitar with a lot of youtube videos covering amp and guitar selection, mechanical exercises, transcription and improv, and some more advanced techniques as well at justinguitar.com. He has videos that cover metal, blues, rock, folk, and pop. But if I remember correctly his main focus is blues and jazz...

On September 05 2008 17:04 ikc5 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 04 2008 17:56 iop wrote: Vomitspit seems decent and fwiw I listen to alot of genres of music, and can play some guitar, some piano, some drums and I can sing. The only genre "I cant listen to" is death metal. Name 5 death metal albums by 5 different bands... Have you listened to more than 30 minutes of death metal in the course of your entire life? Yeah, that's what I thought. Chances are you heard 2 minutes of a Cannibal Corpse in an unforgiving context and decided you hate an entire genre. Maybe it wasn't even that, maybe you have no idea wtf death metal even is and you heard some slipknot and decided something completely unrelated and frequently stereotyped was garbage. You've never given a remote chance to an entire genre which probably includes years and years worth of music, and categorized it all as unlistenable based on an absurdly small sample. It'd be like me hearing a few minutes of Coltrane and saying "drat! I just can't listen to jazz!", or maybe I didn't even dig that far and heard some Kenny G. at a grocery store. There's an immense amount of variety in jazz and so many of the rules of mainstream music are broken, it's not the most accessible music; it's not something you can usually sing along to in the car on the way to your marketing job. The fact that this is death metal means these types of inaccessibilities are even more true and there may be arguably even more variety, hell it even relates to the way your ears perceive sound, as death metal typically utilizes much different production techniques, instrumentation, and tuning than other forms of music. I listen to death metal all the time and I'm still always a little confused by some of the things going on when I pop in a new album if the artists in question use lower tuning that my ears aren't used to hearing and discerning. Sounds muddy and confusing at first. The fact that vocals are often used as a harsh sounding rhythm instrument(and not always even, plenty of them sing normally as well), which is also true of some indigenous Aboriginal music, is what immediately puts people off. They want an easy to remember verse chorus verse vocal melody or they automatically dismiss it. Hell, most people still have no idea what death metal even is and just characterize anything "scary" or immediately different and heavier as "death metal". You're from Sweden so I'm not so sure this is true there... That taste is subjective stuff is fucking BULLSHIT, anyone who uses this logic is the most gigantic wallowing vagina ever and they despise music and should never ever pick up an instrument on pain of death. I equate good music to good food. Things that immediately catch on and become popular are instantly gratifying, like a candy bar or fast food. People will gorge on it, they'll listen to it constantly, it'll sell for millions, people will "love(unconsciously hate) music". Unlike good food or music( or fine wines), which is an acquired taste, you find more layers to it, and it stands the test of time. EVERY SINGLE album that I've ever loved I've always been puzzled or outright revolted by. I remember I was just like you like 5 years ago, was just starting to take musicianship seriously, loved "everything but that death metal rubbish that stupid old men use to outgross each other while simultaneously asserting their failing masculinity in a most immature fashion." Put it this way, how many people are still listening to those 1990s Backstreet Boys and Britney Spears pop hits with the same frequency they were back then? How many death metal fans are still listening to Cryptopsy - None So Vile 12 years later(I don't expect you to know the answer to this, chances are you've never heard this album and you have no idea what death metal even is, but the answer is a lot.) How many people are still listening to Morbid Angel's Altars of Madness almost 20 years later? How jazz fans are still listening to Mile Davis - Bitches Brew? How many people are still listening to Stravinsky, Bach, Brahms, Mozart hundreds of years later? I'll go back to the food analogy, do you think the guy who lives in California, owns his own vineyard, and spends a large part of his life locating and purchasing rare and exquisite wines hundreds of years old has the same taste as some fatass who eats every meal at Burger King because "taste is subjective"? And how do you think the Burger King guy would react to the finest wine in the connoisseur's collection? The same way you faggots react to death metal, jazz, Kayo Dot. Taste is not subjective in anything. The Jazz musician of 40 years who's spent his life expressing new ideas and listening to wide varieties of music, jazz included, has infinitely better taste than that stupid 19 year old bitch who's blasting Nickleback in the next room of my dorm. Even the 22 year old angry brooding skinny misanthropic guy who buys tons of different extreme metal cds from different bands and different subgenres and dabbles in ambient, jazz, and blues has better taste than aforementioned 19 year old bitch. Loco has better taste than all of you, he sifted through the same pop bullshit you fucking worship and realized it was shallow and manufactured and took the time to get into less accessible music. However, I'm not arguing that all extreme genres are immediately superior to all forms of music, after all, the absolute worst bands I know of which I would take Britney Spears over any day fall into extreme and less accessible genres. But in general, there's a strong correlation between how removed a genre is from the mainstream and it's artistic integrity, which is naturally correlated with quality. Anything that the mainstream picks up and realizes they can make money on is like they immediately dump toxic waste in the river and make it shit as a whole, they bastardize it and make it more marketable even if it compromises it's sophistication. When I say sophistication I mean the discourse of ideas, ideologies, feelings, and philosophies through musical means, not raw technicality.

I like this in general. Agree with most of the things, but I'm also a fan of the concept "if he wants burgers,don't bust his balls",just to continue your food analogy.I mean sure it sucks when everyone seems to enjoy junk but people aren't usually interested in a deeper understanding of music,literature etc and theres no reason to explain them why they should because interest can't really be forced.
Also I have to say that despite the fact that judging music by its genre is wrong in general,certain genres generate feelings/create mindsets that it's natural for some to prefer to avoid, eg pessimism.
It's like avoiding spicy food when you don't want problems with hemorroids :D

On September 05 2008 19:06 lebowski wrote: Show nested quote + On September 05 2008 17:04 ikc5 wrote:   On September 04 2008 17:56 iop wrote: Vomitspit seems decent and fwiw I listen to alot of genres of music, and can play some guitar, some piano, some drums and I can sing. The only genre "I cant listen to" is death metal. Name 5 death metal albums by 5 different bands... Have you listened to more than 30 minutes of death metal in the course of your entire life? Yeah, that's what I thought. Chances are you heard 2 minutes of a Cannibal Corpse in an unforgiving context and decided you hate an entire genre. Maybe it wasn't even that, maybe you have no idea wtf death metal even is and you heard some slipknot and decided something completely unrelated and frequently stereotyped was garbage. You've never given a remote chance to an entire genre which probably includes years and years worth of music, and categorized it all as unlistenable based on an absurdly small sample. It'd be like me hearing a few minutes of Coltrane and saying "drat! I just can't listen to jazz!", or maybe I didn't even dig that far and heard some Kenny G. at a grocery store. There's an immense amount of variety in jazz and so many of the rules of mainstream music are broken, it's not the most accessible music; it's not something you can usually sing along to in the car on the way to your marketing job. The fact that this is death metal means these types of inaccessibilities are even more true and there may be arguably even more variety, hell it even relates to the way your ears perceive sound, as death metal typically utilizes much different production techniques, instrumentation, and tuning than other forms of music. I listen to death metal all the time and I'm still always a little confused by some of the things going on when I pop in a new album if the artists in question use lower tuning that my ears aren't used to hearing and discerning. Sounds muddy and confusing at first. The fact that vocals are often used as a harsh sounding rhythm instrument(and not always even, plenty of them sing normally as well), which is also true of some indigenous Aboriginal music, is what immediately puts people off. They want an easy to remember verse chorus verse vocal melody or they automatically dismiss it. Hell, most people still have no idea what death metal even is and just characterize anything "scary" or immediately different and heavier as "death metal". You're from Sweden so I'm not so sure this is true there... That taste is subjective stuff is fucking BULLSHIT, anyone who uses this logic is the most gigantic wallowing vagina ever and they despise music and should never ever pick up an instrument on pain of death. I equate good music to good food. Things that immediately catch on and become popular are instantly gratifying, like a candy bar or fast food. People will gorge on it, they'll listen to it constantly, it'll sell for millions, people will "love(unconsciously hate) music". Unlike good food or music( or fine wines), which is an acquired taste, you find more layers to it, and it stands the test of time. EVERY SINGLE album that I've ever loved I've always been puzzled or outright revolted by. I remember I was just like you like 5 years ago, was just starting to take musicianship seriously, loved "everything but that death metal rubbish that stupid old men use to outgross each other while simultaneously asserting their failing masculinity in a most immature fashion." Put it this way, how many people are still listening to those 1990s Backstreet Boys and Britney Spears pop hits with the same frequency they were back then? How many death metal fans are still listening to Cryptopsy - None So Vile 12 years later(I don't expect you to know the answer to this, chances are you've never heard this album and you have no idea what death metal even is, but the answer is a lot.) How many people are still listening to Morbid Angel's Altars of Madness almost 20 years later? How jazz fans are still listening to Mile Davis - Bitches Brew? How many people are still listening to Stravinsky, Bach, Brahms, Mozart hundreds of years later? I'll go back to the food analogy, do you think the guy who lives in California, owns his own vineyard, and spends a large part of his life locating and purchasing rare and exquisite wines hundreds of years old has the same taste as some fatass who eats every meal at Burger King because "taste is subjective"? And how do you think the Burger King guy would react to the finest wine in the connoisseur's collection? The same way you faggots react to death metal, jazz, Kayo Dot. Taste is not subjective in anything. The Jazz musician of 40 years who's spent his life expressing new ideas and listening to wide varieties of music, jazz included, has infinitely better taste than that stupid 19 year old bitch who's blasting Nickleback in the next room of my dorm. Even the 22 year old angry brooding skinny misanthropic guy who buys tons of different extreme metal cds from different bands and different subgenres and dabbles in ambient, jazz, and blues has better taste than aforementioned 19 year old bitch. Loco has better taste than all of you, he sifted through the same pop bullshit you fucking worship and realized it was shallow and manufactured and took the time to get into less accessible music. However, I'm not arguing that all extreme genres are immediately superior to all forms of music, after all, the absolute worst bands I know of which I would take Britney Spears over any day fall into extreme and less accessible genres. But in general, there's a strong correlation between how removed a genre is from the mainstream and it's artistic integrity, which is naturally correlated with quality. Anything that the mainstream picks up and realizes they can make money on is like they immediately dump toxic waste in the river and make it shit as a whole, they bastardize it and make it more marketable even if it compromises it's sophistication. When I say sophistication I mean the discourse of ideas, ideologies, feelings, and philosophies through musical means, not raw technicality. I like this in general. Agree with most of the things, but I'm also a fan of the concept "if he wants burgers,don't bust his balls",just to continue your food analogy.I mean sure it sucks when everyone seems to enjoy junk but people aren't usually interested in a deeper understanding of music,literature etc and theres no reason to explain them why they should because interest can't really be forced. Also I have to say that despite the fact that judging music by its genre is wrong in general,certain genres generate feelings/create mindsets that it's natural for some to prefer to avoid, eg pessimism. It's like avoiding spicy food when you don't want problems with hemorroids :D

Yeah absolutely, the last thing I want to do is forcefeed anyone anything, but at least to outline the differences between Keystone Lite and fine aged wines and dispel the whole taste is subjective BS. Yes, certain genres do GENERALLY invoke certain moods and atmospheres, but you can find exceptions everywhere. Radiohead could be considered pop/rock, which is generally light hearted and energetic, but certainly some of their music is as bleak, hopeless, dark, and even "brutal" as death metal, which is why it's retarded to make blanket statements about any genre, death metal or otherwise.


Anyyywayyysss, let's try and avoid this derailment any further. More beginning guitar advice! Bad equipment can demoralize you pretty fast. I don't know what you're using right now, but I'd strongly advise against getting any sort of small solid state combo. I'd really recommend an amp modeler, such as a line 6 spider, a line 6 pod/toneport series, a roland microcube, Behringer V-Amp, or Zoom and Digitech's series of modelers and multieffects pedals. Modelling amps and devices are the best thing ever for beginning guitarists, you get a lot of different tonal options which is great, as a beginning guitarist it's always good to expand your playing horizons and play a lot of different styles. Using amps isn't as easy as most people assume, it definitely takes a while to learn how the bring out the best of your equipment, especially when and if you start dealing with tube amps, modelling amps are a good preface. Basically what they do is give you several different settings which emulate famous amplifiers. One model included with your device might be specialized toward cleans, one might have a little gritty blues crunch setting, one might have a medium gain rock setting, and one might have a high gain metal setting. Usually these modellers come with an array of effects like reverb, delay, extra EQ, noise gate, compression, and distortion pedal models. This is also really handy because when and if you upgrade to a better amp, you can use these as your multi-effects pedals and not have to worry about buying a whole bunch of analog effects. They're fairly cheap, and if you have a cheap solid state combo you should probably dump it, decent amp modellers run as little as $50, most of them also have headphone outlets so you can practice without bothering anyone. Also they usually have direct in recording if you ever start to take guitar seriously and want to create music. Most of them also have the capability of amplifying and applying effects to an acoustic-electric guitar.

They do have some limitations though. Amps are made with either solid state circuitry, which is criticized as harsh and sharp sounding, or glass valves usually referred to as tubes, which have a particularly warm, organic quality to them. The distorted tone was originally made when amps made with glass valves had their volume turned up too high, which "clipped" them and caused distortion. Solid state transistors were a later invention in electrical engineering after the first amplifiers were made, and trying to emulate that distorted sound using different electrical circuits in the amp just isn't quite the same. Pretty much all professional musicians use tube amps, though there are a few exceptions. Tube amps are pretty expensive, and if you want to invest in one you've got to spend some time trying out different ones and doing your research. It's probably not worth it if you're just starting but if you're really ballin at unlimited hold them I guess you could, I'd stick with a modeler at first, tube amps can be finnecky and hard to use. Also they're best tones are only available at extremely high volumes.

What guitar are you using? Does it have single coil pickups or humbuckers? (humbuckers look like two stripes stuck together). Humbucking pickups are great for pretty much any style, single coil are more known for blues, classic rock, and clean guitar tones.


One last thing, I'm assuming your a rock/hard rock/metal guitarist. Don't get in the habit of scooping your mids. This is the practice where you turn the mid on your amp or modeler all the way down or at a very low setting and then put the treble and bass way up. This is kind of a bad habit to get into, as the guitar is an alto instrument and primarily occupies the mid range frequency. If you turn the mids down too far, yes it will sound very "heavy" and it's an easy way to get a good sound out of the amp without tinkering with it too much, but you're really taking a lot of the harmonic frequencies out of your tone and if you ever plan on playing with other musicians, your instrument will be pretty difficult to hear, as the low frequencies are usually occupied by the bass and bass drums and the treble by the drums(cymbals and snare drum). It's okay if you practice alone, but definitely you want a nice mid-heavy tone available. Bands like Slipknot and Korn scoop out their mids, chances are you don't want to be like them.

On September 04 2008 17:50 Loco wrote: music is art, not a pathetic business.

its both, actually.

http://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-000-BeginnersCourse.php

http://www.justinguitar.com/en/TB-020-BeginnersPractice.php

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YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Some people need to step away and not argue about their 'music prowess'... You love it? Awesome! You don't love it? Awesome! You want to play an instrument? Awesome! You don't? AWESOME!

Get it? Ya... it doesn't matter... Enjoy what you enjoy. If you can't do that then just fuck off

This is a little off topic and I didn't read all the long posts, so maybe it's been said but I just wan't to rant a lil bit.

I only play drums and haven't really played guitar much, so this is an observers opinion, but from what I've seen, playing famous songs over and over is the dumbest way to learn how to play the guitar. I have two friends who never played songs from their favorite bands , but instead focused on theory and wrote their own stuff and I know about three other people who basically just played songs from their favorite bands all the time, and even though it was more fun in the first couple years to listen to the latter group of friends play, here we are five years later and the first two friends I mentioned are amazing guitarists, and the latter three still don't know anything about music and I would never even consider playing in a band with them because they would be completely lost if they had to figure out their own leads or riffs for a song.

Maybe for somebody like crown royal, it would be worth it to throw in some written stuff just to keep yourself interested, but I think it's terrible advice to say people should just go to a website and try to play their favorite songs because in five years, they will still be nowhere.


P.S., I should mention, this post is only regarded to people who want to take guitar seriously. If you just want to be able to pay recreationally and brag to your friends that you can play a metallica song, then it doesn't really matter.

On September 05 2008 12:56 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On September 05 2008 07:57 hansen jr. wrote:   On September 04 2008 19:27 Loco wrote:   On September 04 2008 18:39 matdon460 wrote: you're coming off as a huge music elitist in this thread loco. since my musical capability is very low with you, I have a bad taste in music? I can't like or enjoy music as much as you because we disagreed in taste? we do share sigur ros, pink floyd, mastodon, and tool which are a few of my favorite bands though. i can answer that last question though... i do assume i enjoy my music more than people by default. if that makes me sound like an elitist or a snob, so be it, i know it isn't true though. lol get some self insight i am a melomaniac (i listen to way way too much music daily), a musicphile and an audiophile as well. that is a ridiculously small % of the population, which part of this do you not understand? is this out of your comprehension level so you feel the need to laugh at me? if you prove me you are one as well then i cannot assume it anymore but otherwise it doesn't make sense for me not to it's like going to a homegame with your friends who have never played online poker and don't know very much about the game other than what they've seen on TV. you are telling me you wouldn't assume you would be better than them? this is the same thing, except it's not about being better than the other

i did not laugh at you being a audiophile or w/e, i laughed at you saying you dont think you sound like a elitist in this thread

didnt read the thread but crownroyal saying that he was naturally good at everything made me laugh pretty hard, knowin how big of a failure is whole life is; that being said I think that guitar is rly EZ to learn by yourself if you intend to play some standard rock, blues etc ; u just have to download a few tabs & practice a lot ; if you wanna play classical guitar (which actually hardly interests anyone) you rly want to have someone to teach you bcuz the skills you need are rly different and harder to develop

On September 06 2008 15:08 hansen jr. wrote: Show nested quote + On September 05 2008 12:56 Loco wrote:   On September 05 2008 07:57 hansen jr. wrote:   On September 04 2008 19:27 Loco wrote:   On September 04 2008 18:39 matdon460 wrote: you're coming off as a huge music elitist in this thread loco. since my musical capability is very low with you, I have a bad taste in music? I can't like or enjoy music as much as you because we disagreed in taste? we do share sigur ros, pink floyd, mastodon, and tool which are a few of my favorite bands though. i can answer that last question though... i do assume i enjoy my music more than people by default. if that makes me sound like an elitist or a snob, so be it, i know it isn't true though. lol get some self insight i am a melomaniac (i listen to way way too much music daily), a musicphile and an audiophile as well. that is a ridiculously small % of the population, which part of this do you not understand? is this out of your comprehension level so you feel the need to laugh at me? if you prove me you are one as well then i cannot assume it anymore but otherwise it doesn't make sense for me not to it's like going to a homegame with your friends who have never played online poker and don't know very much about the game other than what they've seen on TV. you are telling me you wouldn't assume you would be better than them? this is the same thing, except it's not about being better than the other i did not laugh at you being a audiophile or w/e, i laughed at you saying you dont think you sound like a elitist in this thread

ahh.. I see.

Well I seriously don't know anymore, I guess a music elitist is different as just an elitist? I always was under the impression that elitists were close-minded people who just thought they were the shit in whatever it is they do, and that is not me and that's why I said I wasn't an elitist.

So where do we draw the line between a huge student/fan of music and an elitist exactly? I am confused.

On September 06 2008 15:03 musclewheels wrote: This is a little off topic and I didn't read all the long posts, so maybe it's been said but I just wan't to rant a lil bit. I only play drums and haven't really played guitar much, so this is an observers opinion, but from what I've seen, playing famous songs over and over is the dumbest way to learn how to play the guitar. I have two friends who never played songs from their favorite bands , but instead focused on theory and wrote their own stuff and I know about three other people who basically just played songs from their favorite bands all the time, and even though it was more fun in the first couple years to listen to the latter group of friends play, here we are five years later and the first two friends I mentioned are amazing guitarists, and the latter three still don't know anything about music and I would never even consider playing in a band with them because they would be completely lost if they had to figure out their own leads or riffs for a song. Maybe for somebody like crown royal, it would be worth it to throw in some written stuff just to keep yourself interested, but I think it's terrible advice to say people should just go to a website and try to play their favorite songs because in five years, they will still be nowhere. P.S., I should mention, this post is only regarded to people who want to take guitar seriously. If you just want to be able to pay recreationally and brag to your friends that you can play a metallica song, then it doesn't really matter.

everything in this post was said in the thread, no exception.

lol ok, srry I'm way too lazy to read posts that are half a page long.

On September 04 2008 16:22 CrownRoyal wrote: So I got a guitar for christmas two years ago because i wanted one badly. I got it and hated it because i couldn't just pick it up and be good at it and im naturally good at everything so it made me upset. I've probably played it a maximum of 5 hours in those two years and i used to know some stuff but i don't know anything anymore. I actually took it and my amp and stuff to a pawn shop today to get rid of it cause im getting nothing out of it but they only wanted to give me 50 bucks for it and it's worth way more than that (they had full stock on guitars and the dude basically just didnt want it unless he got a sick deal) So here I am looking at this thing and realizing that I should just use it and learn it because i love music and the guitar is interesting and a challenge which i enjoy but i need to be able to see progress. Where the fuck do i start to learn a guitar by myself? Like, in poker you start with nl2, is there a starting point or a guide somewhere that is good and can get me started in the right way?

u can start by learning a couple of chords and some scales try taking some college guitar classes they are cheap and fun >.<