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I LOVE BRITNEY!!!

MUSIK IS MY LYFE

i like dj tiesto

too much predictability,try some jazz

predictability is cool too obv

On September 04 2008 19:27 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On September 04 2008 18:39 matdon460 wrote: you're coming off as a huge music elitist in this thread loco. since my musical capability is very low with you, I have a bad taste in music? I can't like or enjoy music as much as you because we disagreed in taste? we do share sigur ros, pink floyd, mastodon, and tool which are a few of my favorite bands though. i can answer that last question though... i do assume i enjoy my music more than people by default. if that makes me sound like an elitist or a snob, so be it, i know it isn't true though.

lol
get some self insight

Step 1: You play repetitive speed/technique drills until your fingers are bleeding and badly infected.

Step 2: Apply neosporin to blisters and chill out for a couple days.

Step 3: Repeat Step 1 and Step 2 until you lose your fucking mind.

Step 4: Educate yourself on music theory. Burn the scales and patterns into your brain.

Step 5: Download a bunch of tabs and feel like a badass covering famous songs.

Step 6: Book a gig at a small coffee shop and play your stupid-ass covers.

Step 7: Accept the fact that you can't sing.

Step 8: Dabble in songwriting

Step 9: Accept the fact that you can't write

Step 10: Get lazy and let the dust gather on your guitar for a couple years

Step 11: Realize that you're a no talent ass clown and cry about it for a couple days.

Step 12: Trip on shrooms and feel better.

On September 05 2008 07:57 hansen jr. wrote: Show nested quote + On September 04 2008 19:27 Loco wrote:   On September 04 2008 18:39 matdon460 wrote: you're coming off as a huge music elitist in this thread loco. since my musical capability is very low with you, I have a bad taste in music? I can't like or enjoy music as much as you because we disagreed in taste? we do share sigur ros, pink floyd, mastodon, and tool which are a few of my favorite bands though. i can answer that last question though... i do assume i enjoy my music more than people by default. if that makes me sound like an elitist or a snob, so be it, i know it isn't true though. lol get some self insight

i am a melomaniac (i listen to way way too much music daily), a musicphile and an audiophile as well.

that is a ridiculously small % of the population, which part of this do you not understand? is this out of your comprehension level so you feel the need to laugh at me? if you prove me you are one as well then i cannot assume it anymore but otherwise it doesn't make sense for me not to

it's like going to a homegame with your friends who have never played online poker and don't know very much about the game other than what they've seen on TV. you are telling me you wouldn't assume you would be better than them? this is the same thing, except it's not about being better than the other

On September 04 2008 16:22 CrownRoyal wrote: So I got a guitar for christmas two years ago because i wanted one badly. I got it and hated it because i couldn't just pick it up and be good at it and im naturally good at everything so it made me upset. I've probably played it a maximum of 5 hours in those two years and i used to know some stuff but i don't know anything anymore. I actually took it and my amp and stuff to a pawn shop today to get rid of it cause im getting nothing out of it but they only wanted to give me 50 bucks for it and it's worth way more than that (they had full stock on guitars and the dude basically just didnt want it unless he got a sick deal) So here I am looking at this thing and realizing that I should just use it and learn it because i love music and the guitar is interesting and a challenge which i enjoy but i need to be able to see progress. Where the fuck do i start to learn a guitar by myself? Like, in poker you start with nl2, is there a starting point or a guide somewhere that is good and can get me started in the right way?

If you haven't gotten into it after 2 years of owning a guitar, chances are you never will. However, I'd recommend John Petrucci's dvd, Rock Discipline. There's some solid exercises for beginner players which will really build your chops up well. It was made in like 1994 or something, if you can't find it or don't want to pirate/buy it, you should be able to just find the booklet with all the exercises it comes with. A solid understanding of music theory as far as rhythm, time signatures, scales and modes, and basic stuff like that will almost certainly help your progress as a guitarist and as a songwriter in the future, start as early as possible. Probably best to take an actual class for it if you're in college or just sign up at a community college if you aren't. You'll end up with a much more thorough understanding than if you just study it online.

As far as actual exercises, I'd go about learning your major and minor scales and simply playing those a ton with a metronome, building speed at your own pace. No need to kill yourself when you're first starting, just try and set yourself a schedule and play 30 minutes a day. What type of music do you intend on playing? Chances are there will be plenty of easy songs to learn no matter what genres once you get comfortable by practicing basic scales, and learning to read tabs won't take you more than 5 minutes I should hope...

Yeah but Loco you somehow think that your passion for music is greater than others (me included)
Music is a form of art, and I only pointed out that I didnt like death metal because I know that both you and sOah exchange music.

On September 04 2008 17:56 iop wrote: Vomitspit seems decent and fwiw I listen to alot of genres of music, and can play some guitar, some piano, some drums and I can sing. The only genre "I cant listen to" is death metal.

Name 5 death metal albums by 5 different bands... Have you listened to more than 30 minutes of death metal in the course of your entire life?

Yeah, that's what I thought. Chances are you heard 2 minutes of a Cannibal Corpse in an unforgiving context and decided you hate an entire genre. Maybe it wasn't even that, maybe you have no idea wtf death metal even is and you heard some slipknot and decided something completely unrelated and frequently stereotyped was garbage. You've never given a remote chance to an entire genre which probably includes years and years worth of music, and categorized it all as unlistenable based on an absurdly small sample. It'd be like me hearing a few minutes of Coltrane and saying "drat! I just can't listen to jazz!", or maybe I didn't even dig that far and heard some Kenny G. at a grocery store. There's an immense amount of variety in jazz and so many of the rules of mainstream music are broken, it's not the most accessible music; it's not something you can usually sing along to in the car on the way to your marketing job. The fact that this is death metal means these types of inaccessibilities are even more true and there may be arguably even more variety, hell it even relates to the way your ears perceive sound, as death metal typically utilizes much different production techniques, instrumentation, and tuning than other forms of music. I listen to death metal all the time and I'm still always a little confused by some of the things going on when I pop in a new album if the artists in question use lower tuning that my ears aren't used to hearing and discerning. Sounds muddy and confusing at first. The fact that vocals are often used as a harsh sounding rhythm instrument(and not always even, plenty of them sing normally as well), which is also true of some indigenous Aboriginal music, is what immediately puts people off. They want an easy to remember verse chorus verse vocal melody or they automatically dismiss it. Hell, most people still have no idea what death metal even is and just characterize anything "scary" or immediately different and heavier as "death metal". You're from Sweden so I'm not so sure this is true there...

That taste is subjective stuff is fucking BULLSHIT, anyone who uses this logic is the most gigantic wallowing vagina ever and they despise music and should never ever pick up an instrument on pain of death. I equate good music to good food. Things that immediately catch on and become popular are instantly gratifying, like a candy bar or fast food. People will gorge on it, they'll listen to it constantly, it'll sell for millions, people will "love(unconsciously hate) music". Unlike good food or music( or fine wines), which is an acquired taste, you find more layers to it, and it stands the test of time. EVERY SINGLE album that I've ever loved I've always been puzzled or outright revolted by. I remember I was just like you like 5 years ago, was just starting to take musicianship seriously, loved "everything but that death metal rubbish that stupid old men use to outgross each other while simultaneously asserting their failing masculinity in a most immature fashion." Put it this way, how many people are still listening to those 1990s Backstreet Boys and Britney Spears pop hits with the same frequency they were back then? How many death metal fans are still listening to Cryptopsy - None So Vile 12 years later(I don't expect you to know the answer to this, chances are you've never heard this album and you have no idea what death metal even is, but the answer is a lot.) How many people are still listening to Morbid Angel's Altars of Madness almost 20 years later? How jazz fans are still listening to Mile Davis - Bitches Brew? How many people are still listening to Stravinsky, Bach, Brahms, Mozart hundreds of years later? I'll go back to the food analogy, do you think the guy who lives in California, owns his own vineyard, and spends a large part of his life locating and purchasing rare and exquisite wines hundreds of years old has the same taste as some fatass who eats every meal at Burger King because "taste is subjective"? And how do you think the Burger King guy would react to the finest wine in the connoisseur's collection? The same way you faggots react to death metal, jazz, Kayo Dot. Taste is not subjective in anything. The Jazz musician of 40 years who's spent his life expressing new ideas and listening to wide varieties of music, jazz included, has infinitely better taste than that stupid 19 year old bitch who's blasting Nickleback in the next room of my dorm. Even the 22 year old angry brooding skinny misanthropic guy who buys tons of different extreme metal cds from different bands and different subgenres and dabbles in ambient, jazz, and blues has better taste than aforementioned 19 year old bitch. Loco has better taste than all of you, he sifted through the same pop bullshit you fucking worship and realized it was shallow and manufactured and took the time to get into less accessible music.

However, I'm not arguing that all extreme genres are immediately superior to all forms of music, after all, the absolute worst bands I know of which I would take Britney Spears over any day fall into extreme and less accessible genres. But in general, there's a strong correlation between how removed a genre is from the mainstream and it's artistic integrity, which is naturally correlated with quality. Anything that the mainstream picks up and realizes they can make money on is like they immediately dump toxic waste in the river and make it shit as a whole, they bastardize it and make it more marketable even if it compromises it's sophistication. When I say sophistication I mean the discourse of ideas, ideologies, feelings, and philosophies through musical means, not raw technicality.

omg you guys are so psycho about your music

On September 05 2008 17:08 Yugless wrote: omg you guys are so psycho about your music

If you played an instrument, you might understand. It's kind of a slap in the fact to say "taste is subjective" or for people to "love" music when you bust your balls several hours a day practicing and actually want to create something meaningful... It's even more of a slap in the face when people have horrendous taste and insist on putting some gay ass pop song on repeat when the walls are paper thin.

On September 05 2008 16:18 iop wrote: Yeah but Loco you somehow think that your passion for music is greater than others (me included) Music is a form of art, and I only pointed out that I didnt like death metal because I know that both you and sOah exchange music.

god no wonder sOah IP banned himself from LP

this is pointless because you don't even want to be objective and try to understand that it is possible for someone to love music more than you do

don't you listen to 50 cent iop? why are you talking about art? or am i too close minded and elitist to see that 50 cent's music is a form of art?

yes my passion for music is greater than yours, and most people, it is not even close if you can listen to things like 50 cent and truly enjoy them and at the same time shut down new things coming your way like you have proven me by watching 50 seconds on a 17 minutes video. i listened to poor music in the past but one thing is for sure i always kept an open mind and never shut out new things.

i am a fan of music. i spend countless hours every day trying to get into newer music, i make conscious efforts and researches all the time to better my musical knowledge and enjoy new and different things. i am in a constant progression and quest for knowledge. a lot of the time I simply listen to music on the computer without doing anything else, because i need to focus on the music and cannot bother being distracted and missing some details. this means i play less poker/other games instead of doing both at the same time like everyone would do. i barely ever watch poker videos or tv shows (even though i love them) because the choice is clear between this and music.

i spent a thousand dollars on a PMP that supports lossless format and audiophile headphones to be sure not to miss a single little detail in my music and fully enjoy it and cannot tolerate standard mp3 players like ipods or standard headphones anymore.

i meditate to music daily

i am an extremely anxious person and will always avoid stressful situations to an extreme point but i still put myself under extreme pressure for a whole month to grind and donate to my favorite band, i could hardly eat anything in the beginning, that says a lot about my passion for music and that band in particular

everyone has the same potential and can love music as much as me, they just don't take the time to while i do, and it makes people sick that I can claim this and they just disregard anything i'll say. i could kill myself in the name of real art and you would probably still convince yourself that you like your 50 cent as much as i like my music lolz

I still stand strong army steady saying that I do not like death metal, stop trying to argue with me about what I like and what I don't like?

Please tell me where I wrote that 50 cent is good, or that I listen to 50 cent.

Please find that post!

What does sOah IP banning himself have to do with me?

You're saying that I'm not objective, you are the one arguing that your passion for music is greater than mine.

well I don't think I need to find the post in question, you took a screenshot of your software called spotify and it was playing 50 cent. you really think i would just make this up to try to make you look bad?

it is possible for you to not like death metal at all, just like it is possible that if you actually TOOK THE TIME you could. this is the only thing that we argue about.

sOah IP banned himself because he could not tolerate people's claims and the overall stupidity when it comes to intelligent discussions anymore and it frustrated him. obviously doesn't touch you in particular but everyone.

i don't think anything else needs to be said anymore after ikc5's post. he knows what he's talking about and i'd suggest people who skipped his long post to read it.