Guitar

So I got a guitar for christmas two years ago because i wanted one badly. I got it and hated it because i couldn't just pick it up and be good at it and im naturally good at everything so it made me upset. I've probably played it a maximum of 5 hours in those two years and i used to know some stuff but i don't know anything anymore. I actually took it and my amp and stuff to a pawn shop today to get rid of it cause im getting nothing out of it but they only wanted to give me 50 bucks for it and it's worth way more than that (they had full stock on guitars and the dude basically just didnt want it unless he got a sick deal)

So here I am looking at this thing and realizing that I should just use it and learn it because i love music and the guitar is interesting and a challenge which i enjoy but i need to be able to see progress.

Where the fuck do i start to learn a guitar by myself? Like, in poker you start with nl2, is there a starting point or a guide somewhere that is good and can get me started in the right way?

sorry but theres so much bullshit in this post

"im naturally good at everything" no you fucking aren't, you are certainly one of the biggest failures on this site, fuck off with those comments already

"i love music" no you fucking don't, you remind me of 15 year old emo girls who say music is their fucking lives when they have no clue about anything music related, proof is you didn't even want to learn guitar in those 2 years. how hard is it to find tablatures for beginners and start learning some easy songs? you want to start playing because you are bored and didn't manage to sell your guitar, not for your love for music.

what does playing a guitar have to do with loving music? and most things do come naturally to me?

sorry for sounding like a fag i guess

and for what it's worth loco i listen to pretty much the same music as you do

im pretty sure most people on this forum are naturally good at everything compared to the average person considering that i would say LP is a lot smarter than your average joe.

i wasn't saying im better than you guys or something im just saying in general that things come easier to me than most people

btw you're a faggot loco

tell me where to learn to play guitar as good as you do i know you learned guitar so where did you start?

lol wow

when you REALLY love music, it's a big part of your life and it's not just listening to it unconsciously or semi-consciously like most people do. it's living it. playing an instrument is part of it.

you can be sorry all you want you will still appear as a fag

and for what it's worth you don't listen to ANYTHING *at all* that I listen to. I have no idea how you can come up with such a bullshit statement.

here, go to my last.fm page and see my top 50 artists http://www.last.fm/user/Caliban51 and tell me how many of them you know and actually listen to.

and you're right i forgot i even had the thing until recently when i rediscovered it hidden in my closet.

whats wrong with just now wanting to pursue it

I just told you how I started. I learned to read tabs and downloaded them with a software like guitar pro and power tabs and started learning riffs and then full songs.

god i hate getting owned

plz close this thread

On September 04 2008 16:36 CrownRoyal wrote: and you're right i forgot i even had the thing until recently when i rediscovered it hidden in my closet. whats wrong with just now wanting to pursue it

nothing is wrong with it, it's how you come off with it that is idiotic

On September 04 2008 16:40 CrownRoyal wrote: god i hate getting owned plz close this thread

LOL god this feels even better than a winning session, in a way I really like you crownroyal

I taught myself as a maths problem, the fingers followed with practise. It's pretty interesting and it was nice when I found that the terms I'd given to some theory concepts I worked out were real ideas!

Personally I'd suggest that you start by writing your own songs on one or two chord and build up. Just learning to play certain songs is a grind, but if you build it up from a creating perspective you gain a feel for what is actually going on and the point of it rather than painting by numbers.

On September 04 2008 16:28 Loco wrote: sorry but theres so much bullshit in this post "im naturally good at everything" no you fucking aren't, you are certainly one of the biggest failures on this site, fuck off with those comments already "i love music" no you fucking don't, you remind me of 15 year old emo girls who say music is their fucking lives when they have no clue about anything music related, proof is you didn't even want to learn guitar in those 2 years. how hard is it to find tablatures for beginners and start learning some easy songs? you want to start playing because you are bored and didn't manage to sell your guitar, not for your love for music.

So owned. You really are extremely arrogant and ignorant crown. I hope if enough people tell you this you can become more humble and realistic about your abilities.

On September 04 2008 16:53 Oly wrote: I taught myself as a maths problem, the fingers followed with practise. It's pretty interesting and it was nice when I found that the terms I'd given to some theory concepts I worked out were real ideas! Personally I'd suggest that you start by writing your own songs on one or two chord and build up. Just learning to play certain songs is a grind, but if you build it up from a creating perspective you gain a feel for what is actually going on and the point of it rather than painting by numbers.

you know I think this is a really good thing for someone who REALLY loves music, learning creativity at the same time as learning the instrument in itself. but that's hard and it requires quite a bit of dedication because you aren't pleased with what you are playing before a while. on the other hand, there is an instant gratification by learning songs you already know and it's what will keep most people motivated i would think

hey guess what

you're a faggot lazyfish suck my dick

On September 04 2008 16:28 Loco wrote: "i love music" no you fucking don't, you remind me of 15 year old emo girls who say music is their fucking lives when they have no clue about anything music related, proof is you didn't even want to learn guitar in those 2 years. how hard is it to find tablatures for beginners and start learning some easy songs? you want to start playing because you are bored and didn't manage to sell your guitar, not for your love for music.

who are you to say what he loves? you're a music snob

No he's right although i do think he is a music snob. I take music a lot more seriously than almost all people i know in real life but i still dont love music and am just babbling like all the people who listen to britney spears and say they love music and stuff.

I didn't think before i wrote and i should have said i enjoy music because that's much more correct.

so people who listen to britney spears cant love music by default?

It's kinda like when someone comes up to you and tells you that they are a pretty good poker player and you think to yourself (oh yeah?) and you just completely disregard what they are saying because they are clueless.

loco has a serious passion for music so when i say shit like that he finds it almost disrespectful in a way if that makes sense.

which i guess is snobby and you're right

but like cmon it's britney spears and people who "love" that music although they will only listen to a certain pop song for probably 2weeks max because they are easily digestible and leave a terrible aftertaste after you hear them for more than a few times.

that swedish dude who writes the songs for britney and everyone is a pretty damn good songwriter.

that's probably not why she sells singles - that's all based on children's susceptibility to marketing (and the charts basically only represent a list of favourite modern nursery rhymes and there's nothing wrong with that).

i can do a pretty mean baby one more time with my friend, abbaesque i'd say.

i mean there are people in africa who love music even though all they're doing is banging on rocks with sticks or whatever lol. it doesnt have to be deep and complex for someone to be able to love it.

On September 04 2008 17:10 CrownRoyal wrote: It's kinda like when someone comes up to you and tells you that they are a pretty good poker player and you think to yourself (oh yeah?) and you just completely disregard what they are saying because they are clueless. loco has a serious passion for music so when i say shit like that he finds it almost disrespectful in a way if that makes sense.

this is quite true. the analogy is very good.

On September 04 2008 17:06 Yugless wrote: so people who listen to britney spears cant love music by default?

how can they know if they don't try? they aren't trying if they are listening to britney spears and other music fed by the medias. music is art, not a pathetic business.

On September 04 2008 17:15 Yugless wrote: i mean there are people in africa who love music even though all they're doing is banging on rocks with sticks or whatever lol. it doesnt have to be deep and complex for someone to be able to love it.

yes and that is art to me. they live and love their music, doesn't matter if it isn't complex, who's talking about complex? at least it's real.

you see me as a music snob, i see myself as a music fan.

loving music in my opinion doesn't have anything to do with complexity or musical tastes, as long as you like whatever it is you like and can listen to it CONSCIOUSLY. music should be true and intriguing, a certain effort should be made, it's not just something you can listen to in the background, unless it is made exactly for that.

To listen is an effort, and just to hear is no merit. A duck hears also.
- Igor Stravinsky

"Art, and, above all, music, has a fundamental function, which is to catalyze the sublimation that it can bring about through all means of expression.

It must aim through fixations which are landmarks, to draw [one] towards a total exaltation in which the individual mingles, losing his consciousness in a truth immediate, rare, enormous, and perfect. If a work of art succeeds in this undertaking even for a single moment, it attains its goal."
- Iannis Xenakis

cant you just google something like guitar for beginners or something to that natureÉ

Vomitspit seems decent

and fwiw I listen to alot of genres of music, and can play some guitar, some piano, some drums and I can sing.

The only genre "I cant listen to" is death metal.

On September 04 2008 17:56 iop wrote: Vomitspit seems decent and fwiw I listen to alot of genres of music, and can play some guitar, some piano, some drums and I can sing. The only genre "I cant listen to" is death metal.

untrue. i could find at least 10 different genres you could not listen to.

Here, just for you, this isn't death metal. tell me how long you lasted, this is just one song.

if u actually want some advice for real beginners, use:

http://guitar.about.com/library/blguitarlessonarchive.htm

it's dead boring but it shows the basics

i'm by no means a good guitarist, but the way i sustained interest was searching for tabs on various sites (ultimate tab etc) of songs i know, and got real satisfaction out of learning to play them

you're coming off as a huge music elitist in this thread loco. since my musical capability is very low with you, I have a bad taste in music? I can't like or enjoy music as much as you because we disagreed in taste?

we do share sigur ros, pink floyd, mastodon, and tool which are a few of my favorite bands though.

google (the name of a song you know and like) + chords + lyrics

preferably a song with only three or four chords (most songs are like this, actually)

print a copy

get a cheap chord book and learn how to make the chords

slowly go thru the song, changing from chord to chord, beginning to end, and keep at it until your fingers are too sore to continue until tomorrow

gradually your fingers will start to hurt less, you'll make the chords more easily, and you'll be better at keeping the rhythm of the song going

WHEN YOU CAN GO THRU THE SONG IN EVEN TEMPO, the way you know it should be played, THEN play the song for someone who likes you - please do not trouble their ears until you can play the song correctly - no one likes to hear a first year violinist either

NOW GO LEARN ANOTHER SONG, preferably with some new chords

PRACTICE A LOT, EXPECT SORE FINGERTIPS, STOP WHINING, JUST DO IT !!

if you can't learn at least one new song a month, sell the damn guitar !!

one more thing, the most important requirement of musicians everywhere, especially when playing anywhere in public : TUNE IT OR DIE !!

On September 04 2008 18:39 matdon460 wrote: you're coming off as a huge music elitist in this thread loco. since my musical capability is very low with you, I have a bad taste in music? I can't like or enjoy music as much as you because we disagreed in taste? we do share sigur ros, pink floyd, mastodon, and tool which are a few of my favorite bands though.

..what? im sorry but can you actually read my posts and think before posting?

can you leave out your tastes in music and mine and pinpoint to me exactly where I am being an elitist and where I said everyone who doesn't share my tastes in music have bad taste?

the only reason i posted my last.fm is because crownroyal claimed we listened to the same music when he doesnt listen to 99%+ of it

i can answer that last question though... i do assume i enjoy my music more than people by default. if that makes me sound like an elitist or a snob, so be it, i know it isn't true though.

as you can see on my last fm, i have a library of over 700 artists since the 1st of june, that is a lot of artists to have listened to in a spawn of 3 months only. so i basically check out new artists/genres all the time and make efforts to get into newer things constantly. you have almost the same number of artists in the spawn of 2 years! that alone should give you a small idea of how i love music. I also donated 6300$ to my favorite band so they could get back together and produce some new material, i don't think many people who simply enjoy music would do that would they? so yeah with those things in mind i think you can agree with me that i like music more than most people. that isn't elitism or bragging or me thinking im better than you, it's just a simple personality trait and there is absolutely no way you should take offense in that.

On September 04 2008 18:54 Dragonman wrote: one more thing, the most important requirement of musicians everywhere, especially when playing anywhere in public : TUNE IT OR DIE !!

i hope that doesn't leave out downtuning... =)

it's great that you enjoy music and like to check out new bands, its also awesome that you gave that money to that band. but saying that Crown doesn't love music because you love it more is really stupid

On September 04 2008 17:10 CrownRoyal wrote: It's kinda like when someone comes up to you and tells you that they are a pretty good poker player and you think to yourself (oh yeah?) and you just completely disregard what they are saying because they are clueless. .

if i said, "no you suck at poker lets play heads up so i can show you what a good player is!" then this would be a good analogy

On September 04 2008 18:00 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On September 04 2008 17:56 iop wrote: Vomitspit seems decent and fwiw I listen to alot of genres of music, and can play some guitar, some piano, some drums and I can sing. The only genre "I cant listen to" is death metal. untrue. i could find at least 10 different genres you could not listen to. Here, just for you, this isn't death metal. tell me how long you lasted, this is just one song.

Since I said that I disliked deathmetal, you can automatically find 10 genres I couldnt stand listening to?

I watched about 50 seconds before switching off (actually before fast forwarding to like 2 mins and then switching off).

And Loco, I am sure that I share the exact passion you have for music, without a doubt.

I LOVE MUSIC

On September 04 2008 20:48 Yugless wrote: it's great that you enjoy music and like to check out new bands, its also awesome that you gave that money to that band. but saying that Crown doesn't love music because you love it more is really stupid

the main reason he doesn't love music as much as he wanted to pretend is because he played guitar for 5 hours during 2 years, remember?

that is all, let it go Yugless, even he admitted it. he enjoys/appreciate his music, he isn't a fan of music. that is my point.

On September 04 2008 21:02 iop wrote: Show nested quote + On September 04 2008 18:00 Loco wrote:   On September 04 2008 17:56 iop wrote: Vomitspit seems decent and fwiw I listen to alot of genres of music, and can play some guitar, some piano, some drums and I can sing. The only genre "I cant listen to" is death metal. untrue. i could find at least 10 different genres you could not listen to. Here, just for you, this isn't death metal. tell me how long you lasted, this is just one song. Since I said that I disliked deathmetal, you can automatically find 10 genres I couldnt stand listening to? I watched about 50 seconds before switching off (actually before fast forwarding to like 2 mins and then switching off). And Loco, I am sure that I share the exact passion you have for music, without a doubt.

you didn't say you disliked death metal, you said it was the only genre you could not tolerate. that doesn't make sense to me. it's not like you have heard all that there is out there and can make such a statement.

yet i show you a video clip of a band that has absolutely no death metal (and in fact no metal at all in it) and you cannot last 1 minute before losing interest.

you really think we share the same passion for music? I give a try to anything and everything, you shut them off instantly.

we are very very different

edit: but yes, I do think that if you cannot tolerate death metal, there is a lot more you can't tolerate. death metal isn't the most extreme music out there.

I LOVE BRITNEY!!!

MUSIK IS MY LYFE

i like dj tiesto

too much predictability,try some jazz

predictability is cool too obv

On September 04 2008 19:27 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On September 04 2008 18:39 matdon460 wrote: you're coming off as a huge music elitist in this thread loco. since my musical capability is very low with you, I have a bad taste in music? I can't like or enjoy music as much as you because we disagreed in taste? we do share sigur ros, pink floyd, mastodon, and tool which are a few of my favorite bands though. i can answer that last question though... i do assume i enjoy my music more than people by default. if that makes me sound like an elitist or a snob, so be it, i know it isn't true though.

lol
get some self insight

Step 1: You play repetitive speed/technique drills until your fingers are bleeding and badly infected.

Step 2: Apply neosporin to blisters and chill out for a couple days.

Step 3: Repeat Step 1 and Step 2 until you lose your fucking mind.

Step 4: Educate yourself on music theory. Burn the scales and patterns into your brain.

Step 5: Download a bunch of tabs and feel like a badass covering famous songs.

Step 6: Book a gig at a small coffee shop and play your stupid-ass covers.

Step 7: Accept the fact that you can't sing.

Step 8: Dabble in songwriting

Step 9: Accept the fact that you can't write

Step 10: Get lazy and let the dust gather on your guitar for a couple years

Step 11: Realize that you're a no talent ass clown and cry about it for a couple days.

Step 12: Trip on shrooms and feel better.

On September 05 2008 07:57 hansen jr. wrote: Show nested quote + On September 04 2008 19:27 Loco wrote:   On September 04 2008 18:39 matdon460 wrote: you're coming off as a huge music elitist in this thread loco. since my musical capability is very low with you, I have a bad taste in music? I can't like or enjoy music as much as you because we disagreed in taste? we do share sigur ros, pink floyd, mastodon, and tool which are a few of my favorite bands though. i can answer that last question though... i do assume i enjoy my music more than people by default. if that makes me sound like an elitist or a snob, so be it, i know it isn't true though. lol get some self insight

i am a melomaniac (i listen to way way too much music daily), a musicphile and an audiophile as well.

that is a ridiculously small % of the population, which part of this do you not understand? is this out of your comprehension level so you feel the need to laugh at me? if you prove me you are one as well then i cannot assume it anymore but otherwise it doesn't make sense for me not to

it's like going to a homegame with your friends who have never played online poker and don't know very much about the game other than what they've seen on TV. you are telling me you wouldn't assume you would be better than them? this is the same thing, except it's not about being better than the other

On September 04 2008 16:22 CrownRoyal wrote: So I got a guitar for christmas two years ago because i wanted one badly. I got it and hated it because i couldn't just pick it up and be good at it and im naturally good at everything so it made me upset. I've probably played it a maximum of 5 hours in those two years and i used to know some stuff but i don't know anything anymore. I actually took it and my amp and stuff to a pawn shop today to get rid of it cause im getting nothing out of it but they only wanted to give me 50 bucks for it and it's worth way more than that (they had full stock on guitars and the dude basically just didnt want it unless he got a sick deal) So here I am looking at this thing and realizing that I should just use it and learn it because i love music and the guitar is interesting and a challenge which i enjoy but i need to be able to see progress. Where the fuck do i start to learn a guitar by myself? Like, in poker you start with nl2, is there a starting point or a guide somewhere that is good and can get me started in the right way?

If you haven't gotten into it after 2 years of owning a guitar, chances are you never will. However, I'd recommend John Petrucci's dvd, Rock Discipline. There's some solid exercises for beginner players which will really build your chops up well. It was made in like 1994 or something, if you can't find it or don't want to pirate/buy it, you should be able to just find the booklet with all the exercises it comes with. A solid understanding of music theory as far as rhythm, time signatures, scales and modes, and basic stuff like that will almost certainly help your progress as a guitarist and as a songwriter in the future, start as early as possible. Probably best to take an actual class for it if you're in college or just sign up at a community college if you aren't. You'll end up with a much more thorough understanding than if you just study it online.

As far as actual exercises, I'd go about learning your major and minor scales and simply playing those a ton with a metronome, building speed at your own pace. No need to kill yourself when you're first starting, just try and set yourself a schedule and play 30 minutes a day. What type of music do you intend on playing? Chances are there will be plenty of easy songs to learn no matter what genres once you get comfortable by practicing basic scales, and learning to read tabs won't take you more than 5 minutes I should hope...

Yeah but Loco you somehow think that your passion for music is greater than others (me included)
Music is a form of art, and I only pointed out that I didnt like death metal because I know that both you and sOah exchange music.

On September 04 2008 17:56 iop wrote: Vomitspit seems decent and fwiw I listen to alot of genres of music, and can play some guitar, some piano, some drums and I can sing. The only genre "I cant listen to" is death metal.

Name 5 death metal albums by 5 different bands... Have you listened to more than 30 minutes of death metal in the course of your entire life?

Yeah, that's what I thought. Chances are you heard 2 minutes of a Cannibal Corpse in an unforgiving context and decided you hate an entire genre. Maybe it wasn't even that, maybe you have no idea wtf death metal even is and you heard some slipknot and decided something completely unrelated and frequently stereotyped was garbage. You've never given a remote chance to an entire genre which probably includes years and years worth of music, and categorized it all as unlistenable based on an absurdly small sample. It'd be like me hearing a few minutes of Coltrane and saying "drat! I just can't listen to jazz!", or maybe I didn't even dig that far and heard some Kenny G. at a grocery store. There's an immense amount of variety in jazz and so many of the rules of mainstream music are broken, it's not the most accessible music; it's not something you can usually sing along to in the car on the way to your marketing job. The fact that this is death metal means these types of inaccessibilities are even more true and there may be arguably even more variety, hell it even relates to the way your ears perceive sound, as death metal typically utilizes much different production techniques, instrumentation, and tuning than other forms of music. I listen to death metal all the time and I'm still always a little confused by some of the things going on when I pop in a new album if the artists in question use lower tuning that my ears aren't used to hearing and discerning. Sounds muddy and confusing at first. The fact that vocals are often used as a harsh sounding rhythm instrument(and not always even, plenty of them sing normally as well), which is also true of some indigenous Aboriginal music, is what immediately puts people off. They want an easy to remember verse chorus verse vocal melody or they automatically dismiss it. Hell, most people still have no idea what death metal even is and just characterize anything "scary" or immediately different and heavier as "death metal". You're from Sweden so I'm not so sure this is true there...

That taste is subjective stuff is fucking BULLSHIT, anyone who uses this logic is the most gigantic wallowing vagina ever and they despise music and should never ever pick up an instrument on pain of death. I equate good music to good food. Things that immediately catch on and become popular are instantly gratifying, like a candy bar or fast food. People will gorge on it, they'll listen to it constantly, it'll sell for millions, people will "love(unconsciously hate) music". Unlike good food or music( or fine wines), which is an acquired taste, you find more layers to it, and it stands the test of time. EVERY SINGLE album that I've ever loved I've always been puzzled or outright revolted by. I remember I was just like you like 5 years ago, was just starting to take musicianship seriously, loved "everything but that death metal rubbish that stupid old men use to outgross each other while simultaneously asserting their failing masculinity in a most immature fashion." Put it this way, how many people are still listening to those 1990s Backstreet Boys and Britney Spears pop hits with the same frequency they were back then? How many death metal fans are still listening to Cryptopsy - None So Vile 12 years later(I don't expect you to know the answer to this, chances are you've never heard this album and you have no idea what death metal even is, but the answer is a lot.) How many people are still listening to Morbid Angel's Altars of Madness almost 20 years later? How jazz fans are still listening to Mile Davis - Bitches Brew? How many people are still listening to Stravinsky, Bach, Brahms, Mozart hundreds of years later? I'll go back to the food analogy, do you think the guy who lives in California, owns his own vineyard, and spends a large part of his life locating and purchasing rare and exquisite wines hundreds of years old has the same taste as some fatass who eats every meal at Burger King because "taste is subjective"? And how do you think the Burger King guy would react to the finest wine in the connoisseur's collection? The same way you faggots react to death metal, jazz, Kayo Dot. Taste is not subjective in anything. The Jazz musician of 40 years who's spent his life expressing new ideas and listening to wide varieties of music, jazz included, has infinitely better taste than that stupid 19 year old bitch who's blasting Nickleback in the next room of my dorm. Even the 22 year old angry brooding skinny misanthropic guy who buys tons of different extreme metal cds from different bands and different subgenres and dabbles in ambient, jazz, and blues has better taste than aforementioned 19 year old bitch. Loco has better taste than all of you, he sifted through the same pop bullshit you fucking worship and realized it was shallow and manufactured and took the time to get into less accessible music.

However, I'm not arguing that all extreme genres are immediately superior to all forms of music, after all, the absolute worst bands I know of which I would take Britney Spears over any day fall into extreme and less accessible genres. But in general, there's a strong correlation between how removed a genre is from the mainstream and it's artistic integrity, which is naturally correlated with quality. Anything that the mainstream picks up and realizes they can make money on is like they immediately dump toxic waste in the river and make it shit as a whole, they bastardize it and make it more marketable even if it compromises it's sophistication. When I say sophistication I mean the discourse of ideas, ideologies, feelings, and philosophies through musical means, not raw technicality.

omg you guys are so psycho about your music

On September 05 2008 17:08 Yugless wrote: omg you guys are so psycho about your music

If you played an instrument, you might understand. It's kind of a slap in the fact to say "taste is subjective" or for people to "love" music when you bust your balls several hours a day practicing and actually want to create something meaningful... It's even more of a slap in the face when people have horrendous taste and insist on putting some gay ass pop song on repeat when the walls are paper thin.

On September 05 2008 16:18 iop wrote: Yeah but Loco you somehow think that your passion for music is greater than others (me included) Music is a form of art, and I only pointed out that I didnt like death metal because I know that both you and sOah exchange music.

god no wonder sOah IP banned himself from LP

this is pointless because you don't even want to be objective and try to understand that it is possible for someone to love music more than you do

don't you listen to 50 cent iop? why are you talking about art? or am i too close minded and elitist to see that 50 cent's music is a form of art?

yes my passion for music is greater than yours, and most people, it is not even close if you can listen to things like 50 cent and truly enjoy them and at the same time shut down new things coming your way like you have proven me by watching 50 seconds on a 17 minutes video. i listened to poor music in the past but one thing is for sure i always kept an open mind and never shut out new things.

i am a fan of music. i spend countless hours every day trying to get into newer music, i make conscious efforts and researches all the time to better my musical knowledge and enjoy new and different things. i am in a constant progression and quest for knowledge. a lot of the time I simply listen to music on the computer without doing anything else, because i need to focus on the music and cannot bother being distracted and missing some details. this means i play less poker/other games instead of doing both at the same time like everyone would do. i barely ever watch poker videos or tv shows (even though i love them) because the choice is clear between this and music.

i spent a thousand dollars on a PMP that supports lossless format and audiophile headphones to be sure not to miss a single little detail in my music and fully enjoy it and cannot tolerate standard mp3 players like ipods or standard headphones anymore.

i meditate to music daily

i am an extremely anxious person and will always avoid stressful situations to an extreme point but i still put myself under extreme pressure for a whole month to grind and donate to my favorite band, i could hardly eat anything in the beginning, that says a lot about my passion for music and that band in particular

everyone has the same potential and can love music as much as me, they just don't take the time to while i do, and it makes people sick that I can claim this and they just disregard anything i'll say. i could kill myself in the name of real art and you would probably still convince yourself that you like your 50 cent as much as i like my music lolz

I still stand strong army steady saying that I do not like death metal, stop trying to argue with me about what I like and what I don't like?

Please tell me where I wrote that 50 cent is good, or that I listen to 50 cent.

Please find that post!

What does sOah IP banning himself have to do with me?

You're saying that I'm not objective, you are the one arguing that your passion for music is greater than mine.

well I don't think I need to find the post in question, you took a screenshot of your software called spotify and it was playing 50 cent. you really think i would just make this up to try to make you look bad?

it is possible for you to not like death metal at all, just like it is possible that if you actually TOOK THE TIME you could. this is the only thing that we argue about.

sOah IP banned himself because he could not tolerate people's claims and the overall stupidity when it comes to intelligent discussions anymore and it frustrated him. obviously doesn't touch you in particular but everyone.

i don't think anything else needs to be said anymore after ikc5's post. he knows what he's talking about and i'd suggest people who skipped his long post to read it.

I searched for 50 cent on spotify, since it was something that everyone could relate to.

Since I was showing the program to lp.

sOah played me some death metal when he was staying at my house, and I'm sorry I do not like it, I had friends at boarding school who played death metal 24/7. I just dont find it appealing.

I on the other hand listen to alot of: classical, house, electro, progressive/minimal house, indie, alternative rock, hard rock, rap, some rnb, and hiphop

I'm more of an acoustic kinda guy. blues guitar for the mother fucking win.

jamming that shit high with some people is the fucking nuts imo.

once again, it wasn't about trying to convince you to listen to death metal or anything, just trying to prove a point

you cannot say you dislike something before you actually have a grasp about what it is all about. just like ikc5 said, most of the bands he now loves he didn't like at all first.

On September 05 2008 17:18 iop wrote: I still stand strong army steady saying that I do not like death metal, stop trying to argue with me about what I like and what I don't like?

oh, that's wonderful. Nobody asked you to, however your attitude toward it and willingness to dismiss entire genres implies you're definitely less passionate, open minded, and apt to try new things in music.

There's a big difference between "unlistenable" and not enjoying a genre(as a whole, you'd be able to find a band you liked if you were willing to look deeper). "unlistenable" implies you think the entire group, which you've heard none of, is just crap and there is no redeeming value anywhere, that is simply untrue of any genre of music and you'd probably be less closed and stubborn if it were a different genre because you have so many ridiculous stereotypes about death metal.

you guys all need to smoke a bowl and chill out. music is music. what sounds good sounds good. Art is subjective and shit nom sayin?

On September 05 2008 17:46 ikc5 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 05 2008 17:18 iop wrote: I still stand strong army steady saying that I do not like death metal, stop trying to argue with me about what I like and what I don't like? oh, that's wonderful. Nobody asked you to, however your attitude toward it and willingness to dismiss entire genres implies you're definitely less passionate, open minded, and apt to try new things in music.

sOah on a proxy?

Drowsy on tl.net, somebody stole my name : (.

On September 05 2008 17:44 YoMeR wrote: I'm more of an acoustic kinda guy. blues guitar for the mother fucking win. jamming that shit high with some people is the fucking nuts imo.

Well, arguing that you can't classify a genre as complete shit, especially when the genre's premise is that it should have as few confines and as much variety as possible isn't helping the op learn to play guitar.

This reminds me for serious advice. Look up the blues scale online. Spend a few days or even a few hours just playing this scale over and over until you're comfortable playing it ascending and descending at a decent pace. Now just mess around and play the notes on the scale in any random order with different note values for each one. You can learn to do basic blues improv after just a few hours of playing guitar and it sounds pretty damn cool, especially with a touch of reverb/delay/chorus and distortion from your amp and your pickups in single coil or bridge position. As you get more comfortable you can add in simple diads, maybe some more complex chords, change keys, and do some string bending. It's a great way to develop your chops and your speed/accuracy while actually sounding musical. Just playing scales all day with a metronome will get boring very quickly. It's also great in a social setting if a guitar somehow ends up in your lap and you have no idea what to play because you're too drunk/high/stuffed from BBQ.

Improv is actually a really important part of development as a guitarist and a songwriter. When you get into playing a little more, I'd definitely recommend staying away from tabs as much as possible and start some type of ear training program and transcribing songs yourself. This is gonna be really helpful down the road when you start actually writing your own material. You can improv on any of the scales, but most of them are going to sound rather bright, cheery, and boring if you're not experienced. The blues scale and a few other scales sound really cool even if you don't know what you're doing very much and it'll help you develop the foundations of your mechanical skills.

There's a pretty good resource for beginning guitar with a lot of youtube videos covering amp and guitar selection, mechanical exercises, transcription and improv, and some more advanced techniques as well at justinguitar.com. He has videos that cover metal, blues, rock, folk, and pop. But if I remember correctly his main focus is blues and jazz...

On September 05 2008 17:04 ikc5 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 04 2008 17:56 iop wrote: Vomitspit seems decent and fwiw I listen to alot of genres of music, and can play some guitar, some piano, some drums and I can sing. The only genre "I cant listen to" is death metal. Name 5 death metal albums by 5 different bands... Have you listened to more than 30 minutes of death metal in the course of your entire life? Yeah, that's what I thought. Chances are you heard 2 minutes of a Cannibal Corpse in an unforgiving context and decided you hate an entire genre. Maybe it wasn't even that, maybe you have no idea wtf death metal even is and you heard some slipknot and decided something completely unrelated and frequently stereotyped was garbage. You've never given a remote chance to an entire genre which probably includes years and years worth of music, and categorized it all as unlistenable based on an absurdly small sample. It'd be like me hearing a few minutes of Coltrane and saying "drat! I just can't listen to jazz!", or maybe I didn't even dig that far and heard some Kenny G. at a grocery store. There's an immense amount of variety in jazz and so many of the rules of mainstream music are broken, it's not the most accessible music; it's not something you can usually sing along to in the car on the way to your marketing job. The fact that this is death metal means these types of inaccessibilities are even more true and there may be arguably even more variety, hell it even relates to the way your ears perceive sound, as death metal typically utilizes much different production techniques, instrumentation, and tuning than other forms of music. I listen to death metal all the time and I'm still always a little confused by some of the things going on when I pop in a new album if the artists in question use lower tuning that my ears aren't used to hearing and discerning. Sounds muddy and confusing at first. The fact that vocals are often used as a harsh sounding rhythm instrument(and not always even, plenty of them sing normally as well), which is also true of some indigenous Aboriginal music, is what immediately puts people off. They want an easy to remember verse chorus verse vocal melody or they automatically dismiss it. Hell, most people still have no idea what death metal even is and just characterize anything "scary" or immediately different and heavier as "death metal". You're from Sweden so I'm not so sure this is true there... That taste is subjective stuff is fucking BULLSHIT, anyone who uses this logic is the most gigantic wallowing vagina ever and they despise music and should never ever pick up an instrument on pain of death. I equate good music to good food. Things that immediately catch on and become popular are instantly gratifying, like a candy bar or fast food. People will gorge on it, they'll listen to it constantly, it'll sell for millions, people will "love(unconsciously hate) music". Unlike good food or music( or fine wines), which is an acquired taste, you find more layers to it, and it stands the test of time. EVERY SINGLE album that I've ever loved I've always been puzzled or outright revolted by. I remember I was just like you like 5 years ago, was just starting to take musicianship seriously, loved "everything but that death metal rubbish that stupid old men use to outgross each other while simultaneously asserting their failing masculinity in a most immature fashion." Put it this way, how many people are still listening to those 1990s Backstreet Boys and Britney Spears pop hits with the same frequency they were back then? How many death metal fans are still listening to Cryptopsy - None So Vile 12 years later(I don't expect you to know the answer to this, chances are you've never heard this album and you have no idea what death metal even is, but the answer is a lot.) How many people are still listening to Morbid Angel's Altars of Madness almost 20 years later? How jazz fans are still listening to Mile Davis - Bitches Brew? How many people are still listening to Stravinsky, Bach, Brahms, Mozart hundreds of years later? I'll go back to the food analogy, do you think the guy who lives in California, owns his own vineyard, and spends a large part of his life locating and purchasing rare and exquisite wines hundreds of years old has the same taste as some fatass who eats every meal at Burger King because "taste is subjective"? And how do you think the Burger King guy would react to the finest wine in the connoisseur's collection? The same way you faggots react to death metal, jazz, Kayo Dot. Taste is not subjective in anything. The Jazz musician of 40 years who's spent his life expressing new ideas and listening to wide varieties of music, jazz included, has infinitely better taste than that stupid 19 year old bitch who's blasting Nickleback in the next room of my dorm. Even the 22 year old angry brooding skinny misanthropic guy who buys tons of different extreme metal cds from different bands and different subgenres and dabbles in ambient, jazz, and blues has better taste than aforementioned 19 year old bitch. Loco has better taste than all of you, he sifted through the same pop bullshit you fucking worship and realized it was shallow and manufactured and took the time to get into less accessible music. However, I'm not arguing that all extreme genres are immediately superior to all forms of music, after all, the absolute worst bands I know of which I would take Britney Spears over any day fall into extreme and less accessible genres. But in general, there's a strong correlation between how removed a genre is from the mainstream and it's artistic integrity, which is naturally correlated with quality. Anything that the mainstream picks up and realizes they can make money on is like they immediately dump toxic waste in the river and make it shit as a whole, they bastardize it and make it more marketable even if it compromises it's sophistication. When I say sophistication I mean the discourse of ideas, ideologies, feelings, and philosophies through musical means, not raw technicality.

I like this in general. Agree with most of the things, but I'm also a fan of the concept "if he wants burgers,don't bust his balls",just to continue your food analogy.I mean sure it sucks when everyone seems to enjoy junk but people aren't usually interested in a deeper understanding of music,literature etc and theres no reason to explain them why they should because interest can't really be forced.
Also I have to say that despite the fact that judging music by its genre is wrong in general,certain genres generate feelings/create mindsets that it's natural for some to prefer to avoid, eg pessimism.
It's like avoiding spicy food when you don't want problems with hemorroids :D

On September 05 2008 19:06 lebowski wrote: Show nested quote + On September 05 2008 17:04 ikc5 wrote:   On September 04 2008 17:56 iop wrote: Vomitspit seems decent and fwiw I listen to alot of genres of music, and can play some guitar, some piano, some drums and I can sing. The only genre "I cant listen to" is death metal. Name 5 death metal albums by 5 different bands... Have you listened to more than 30 minutes of death metal in the course of your entire life? Yeah, that's what I thought. Chances are you heard 2 minutes of a Cannibal Corpse in an unforgiving context and decided you hate an entire genre. Maybe it wasn't even that, maybe you have no idea wtf death metal even is and you heard some slipknot and decided something completely unrelated and frequently stereotyped was garbage. You've never given a remote chance to an entire genre which probably includes years and years worth of music, and categorized it all as unlistenable based on an absurdly small sample. It'd be like me hearing a few minutes of Coltrane and saying "drat! I just can't listen to jazz!", or maybe I didn't even dig that far and heard some Kenny G. at a grocery store. There's an immense amount of variety in jazz and so many of the rules of mainstream music are broken, it's not the most accessible music; it's not something you can usually sing along to in the car on the way to your marketing job. The fact that this is death metal means these types of inaccessibilities are even more true and there may be arguably even more variety, hell it even relates to the way your ears perceive sound, as death metal typically utilizes much different production techniques, instrumentation, and tuning than other forms of music. I listen to death metal all the time and I'm still always a little confused by some of the things going on when I pop in a new album if the artists in question use lower tuning that my ears aren't used to hearing and discerning. Sounds muddy and confusing at first. The fact that vocals are often used as a harsh sounding rhythm instrument(and not always even, plenty of them sing normally as well), which is also true of some indigenous Aboriginal music, is what immediately puts people off. They want an easy to remember verse chorus verse vocal melody or they automatically dismiss it. Hell, most people still have no idea what death metal even is and just characterize anything "scary" or immediately different and heavier as "death metal". You're from Sweden so I'm not so sure this is true there... That taste is subjective stuff is fucking BULLSHIT, anyone who uses this logic is the most gigantic wallowing vagina ever and they despise music and should never ever pick up an instrument on pain of death. I equate good music to good food. Things that immediately catch on and become popular are instantly gratifying, like a candy bar or fast food. People will gorge on it, they'll listen to it constantly, it'll sell for millions, people will "love(unconsciously hate) music". Unlike good food or music( or fine wines), which is an acquired taste, you find more layers to it, and it stands the test of time. EVERY SINGLE album that I've ever loved I've always been puzzled or outright revolted by. I remember I was just like you like 5 years ago, was just starting to take musicianship seriously, loved "everything but that death metal rubbish that stupid old men use to outgross each other while simultaneously asserting their failing masculinity in a most immature fashion." Put it this way, how many people are still listening to those 1990s Backstreet Boys and Britney Spears pop hits with the same frequency they were back then? How many death metal fans are still listening to Cryptopsy - None So Vile 12 years later(I don't expect you to know the answer to this, chances are you've never heard this album and you have no idea what death metal even is, but the answer is a lot.) How many people are still listening to Morbid Angel's Altars of Madness almost 20 years later? How jazz fans are still listening to Mile Davis - Bitches Brew? How many people are still listening to Stravinsky, Bach, Brahms, Mozart hundreds of years later? I'll go back to the food analogy, do you think the guy who lives in California, owns his own vineyard, and spends a large part of his life locating and purchasing rare and exquisite wines hundreds of years old has the same taste as some fatass who eats every meal at Burger King because "taste is subjective"? And how do you think the Burger King guy would react to the finest wine in the connoisseur's collection? The same way you faggots react to death metal, jazz, Kayo Dot. Taste is not subjective in anything. The Jazz musician of 40 years who's spent his life expressing new ideas and listening to wide varieties of music, jazz included, has infinitely better taste than that stupid 19 year old bitch who's blasting Nickleback in the next room of my dorm. Even the 22 year old angry brooding skinny misanthropic guy who buys tons of different extreme metal cds from different bands and different subgenres and dabbles in ambient, jazz, and blues has better taste than aforementioned 19 year old bitch. Loco has better taste than all of you, he sifted through the same pop bullshit you fucking worship and realized it was shallow and manufactured and took the time to get into less accessible music. However, I'm not arguing that all extreme genres are immediately superior to all forms of music, after all, the absolute worst bands I know of which I would take Britney Spears over any day fall into extreme and less accessible genres. But in general, there's a strong correlation between how removed a genre is from the mainstream and it's artistic integrity, which is naturally correlated with quality. Anything that the mainstream picks up and realizes they can make money on is like they immediately dump toxic waste in the river and make it shit as a whole, they bastardize it and make it more marketable even if it compromises it's sophistication. When I say sophistication I mean the discourse of ideas, ideologies, feelings, and philosophies through musical means, not raw technicality. I like this in general. Agree with most of the things, but I'm also a fan of the concept "if he wants burgers,don't bust his balls",just to continue your food analogy.I mean sure it sucks when everyone seems to enjoy junk but people aren't usually interested in a deeper understanding of music,literature etc and theres no reason to explain them why they should because interest can't really be forced. Also I have to say that despite the fact that judging music by its genre is wrong in general,certain genres generate feelings/create mindsets that it's natural for some to prefer to avoid, eg pessimism. It's like avoiding spicy food when you don't want problems with hemorroids :D

Yeah absolutely, the last thing I want to do is forcefeed anyone anything, but at least to outline the differences between Keystone Lite and fine aged wines and dispel the whole taste is subjective BS. Yes, certain genres do GENERALLY invoke certain moods and atmospheres, but you can find exceptions everywhere. Radiohead could be considered pop/rock, which is generally light hearted and energetic, but certainly some of their music is as bleak, hopeless, dark, and even "brutal" as death metal, which is why it's retarded to make blanket statements about any genre, death metal or otherwise.


Anyyywayyysss, let's try and avoid this derailment any further. More beginning guitar advice! Bad equipment can demoralize you pretty fast. I don't know what you're using right now, but I'd strongly advise against getting any sort of small solid state combo. I'd really recommend an amp modeler, such as a line 6 spider, a line 6 pod/toneport series, a roland microcube, Behringer V-Amp, or Zoom and Digitech's series of modelers and multieffects pedals. Modelling amps and devices are the best thing ever for beginning guitarists, you get a lot of different tonal options which is great, as a beginning guitarist it's always good to expand your playing horizons and play a lot of different styles. Using amps isn't as easy as most people assume, it definitely takes a while to learn how the bring out the best of your equipment, especially when and if you start dealing with tube amps, modelling amps are a good preface. Basically what they do is give you several different settings which emulate famous amplifiers. One model included with your device might be specialized toward cleans, one might have a little gritty blues crunch setting, one might have a medium gain rock setting, and one might have a high gain metal setting. Usually these modellers come with an array of effects like reverb, delay, extra EQ, noise gate, compression, and distortion pedal models. This is also really handy because when and if you upgrade to a better amp, you can use these as your multi-effects pedals and not have to worry about buying a whole bunch of analog effects. They're fairly cheap, and if you have a cheap solid state combo you should probably dump it, decent amp modellers run as little as $50, most of them also have headphone outlets so you can practice without bothering anyone. Also they usually have direct in recording if you ever start to take guitar seriously and want to create music. Most of them also have the capability of amplifying and applying effects to an acoustic-electric guitar.

They do have some limitations though. Amps are made with either solid state circuitry, which is criticized as harsh and sharp sounding, or glass valves usually referred to as tubes, which have a particularly warm, organic quality to them. The distorted tone was originally made when amps made with glass valves had their volume turned up too high, which "clipped" them and caused distortion. Solid state transistors were a later invention in electrical engineering after the first amplifiers were made, and trying to emulate that distorted sound using different electrical circuits in the amp just isn't quite the same. Pretty much all professional musicians use tube amps, though there are a few exceptions. Tube amps are pretty expensive, and if you want to invest in one you've got to spend some time trying out different ones and doing your research. It's probably not worth it if you're just starting but if you're really ballin at unlimited hold them I guess you could, I'd stick with a modeler at first, tube amps can be finnecky and hard to use. Also they're best tones are only available at extremely high volumes.

What guitar are you using? Does it have single coil pickups or humbuckers? (humbuckers look like two stripes stuck together). Humbucking pickups are great for pretty much any style, single coil are more known for blues, classic rock, and clean guitar tones.


One last thing, I'm assuming your a rock/hard rock/metal guitarist. Don't get in the habit of scooping your mids. This is the practice where you turn the mid on your amp or modeler all the way down or at a very low setting and then put the treble and bass way up. This is kind of a bad habit to get into, as the guitar is an alto instrument and primarily occupies the mid range frequency. If you turn the mids down too far, yes it will sound very "heavy" and it's an easy way to get a good sound out of the amp without tinkering with it too much, but you're really taking a lot of the harmonic frequencies out of your tone and if you ever plan on playing with other musicians, your instrument will be pretty difficult to hear, as the low frequencies are usually occupied by the bass and bass drums and the treble by the drums(cymbals and snare drum). It's okay if you practice alone, but definitely you want a nice mid-heavy tone available. Bands like Slipknot and Korn scoop out their mids, chances are you don't want to be like them.

On September 04 2008 17:50 Loco wrote: music is art, not a pathetic business.

its both, actually.

http://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-000-BeginnersCourse.php

http://www.justinguitar.com/en/TB-020-BeginnersPractice.php

Nick Lachey <3 <3 <3
"Whats Left Of Me" <3 <3 <3


YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Some people need to step away and not argue about their 'music prowess'... You love it? Awesome! You don't love it? Awesome! You want to play an instrument? Awesome! You don't? AWESOME!

Get it? Ya... it doesn't matter... Enjoy what you enjoy. If you can't do that then just fuck off

This is a little off topic and I didn't read all the long posts, so maybe it's been said but I just wan't to rant a lil bit.

I only play drums and haven't really played guitar much, so this is an observers opinion, but from what I've seen, playing famous songs over and over is the dumbest way to learn how to play the guitar. I have two friends who never played songs from their favorite bands , but instead focused on theory and wrote their own stuff and I know about three other people who basically just played songs from their favorite bands all the time, and even though it was more fun in the first couple years to listen to the latter group of friends play, here we are five years later and the first two friends I mentioned are amazing guitarists, and the latter three still don't know anything about music and I would never even consider playing in a band with them because they would be completely lost if they had to figure out their own leads or riffs for a song.

Maybe for somebody like crown royal, it would be worth it to throw in some written stuff just to keep yourself interested, but I think it's terrible advice to say people should just go to a website and try to play their favorite songs because in five years, they will still be nowhere.


P.S., I should mention, this post is only regarded to people who want to take guitar seriously. If you just want to be able to pay recreationally and brag to your friends that you can play a metallica song, then it doesn't really matter.

On September 05 2008 12:56 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On September 05 2008 07:57 hansen jr. wrote:   On September 04 2008 19:27 Loco wrote:   On September 04 2008 18:39 matdon460 wrote: you're coming off as a huge music elitist in this thread loco. since my musical capability is very low with you, I have a bad taste in music? I can't like or enjoy music as much as you because we disagreed in taste? we do share sigur ros, pink floyd, mastodon, and tool which are a few of my favorite bands though. i can answer that last question though... i do assume i enjoy my music more than people by default. if that makes me sound like an elitist or a snob, so be it, i know it isn't true though. lol get some self insight i am a melomaniac (i listen to way way too much music daily), a musicphile and an audiophile as well. that is a ridiculously small % of the population, which part of this do you not understand? is this out of your comprehension level so you feel the need to laugh at me? if you prove me you are one as well then i cannot assume it anymore but otherwise it doesn't make sense for me not to it's like going to a homegame with your friends who have never played online poker and don't know very much about the game other than what they've seen on TV. you are telling me you wouldn't assume you would be better than them? this is the same thing, except it's not about being better than the other

i did not laugh at you being a audiophile or w/e, i laughed at you saying you dont think you sound like a elitist in this thread

didnt read the thread but crownroyal saying that he was naturally good at everything made me laugh pretty hard, knowin how big of a failure is whole life is; that being said I think that guitar is rly EZ to learn by yourself if you intend to play some standard rock, blues etc ; u just have to download a few tabs & practice a lot ; if you wanna play classical guitar (which actually hardly interests anyone) you rly want to have someone to teach you bcuz the skills you need are rly different and harder to develop

On September 06 2008 15:08 hansen jr. wrote: Show nested quote + On September 05 2008 12:56 Loco wrote:   On September 05 2008 07:57 hansen jr. wrote:   On September 04 2008 19:27 Loco wrote:   On September 04 2008 18:39 matdon460 wrote: you're coming off as a huge music elitist in this thread loco. since my musical capability is very low with you, I have a bad taste in music? I can't like or enjoy music as much as you because we disagreed in taste? we do share sigur ros, pink floyd, mastodon, and tool which are a few of my favorite bands though. i can answer that last question though... i do assume i enjoy my music more than people by default. if that makes me sound like an elitist or a snob, so be it, i know it isn't true though. lol get some self insight i am a melomaniac (i listen to way way too much music daily), a musicphile and an audiophile as well. that is a ridiculously small % of the population, which part of this do you not understand? is this out of your comprehension level so you feel the need to laugh at me? if you prove me you are one as well then i cannot assume it anymore but otherwise it doesn't make sense for me not to it's like going to a homegame with your friends who have never played online poker and don't know very much about the game other than what they've seen on TV. you are telling me you wouldn't assume you would be better than them? this is the same thing, except it's not about being better than the other i did not laugh at you being a audiophile or w/e, i laughed at you saying you dont think you sound like a elitist in this thread

ahh.. I see.

Well I seriously don't know anymore, I guess a music elitist is different as just an elitist? I always was under the impression that elitists were close-minded people who just thought they were the shit in whatever it is they do, and that is not me and that's why I said I wasn't an elitist.

So where do we draw the line between a huge student/fan of music and an elitist exactly? I am confused.

On September 06 2008 15:03 musclewheels wrote: This is a little off topic and I didn't read all the long posts, so maybe it's been said but I just wan't to rant a lil bit. I only play drums and haven't really played guitar much, so this is an observers opinion, but from what I've seen, playing famous songs over and over is the dumbest way to learn how to play the guitar. I have two friends who never played songs from their favorite bands , but instead focused on theory and wrote their own stuff and I know about three other people who basically just played songs from their favorite bands all the time, and even though it was more fun in the first couple years to listen to the latter group of friends play, here we are five years later and the first two friends I mentioned are amazing guitarists, and the latter three still don't know anything about music and I would never even consider playing in a band with them because they would be completely lost if they had to figure out their own leads or riffs for a song. Maybe for somebody like crown royal, it would be worth it to throw in some written stuff just to keep yourself interested, but I think it's terrible advice to say people should just go to a website and try to play their favorite songs because in five years, they will still be nowhere. P.S., I should mention, this post is only regarded to people who want to take guitar seriously. If you just want to be able to pay recreationally and brag to your friends that you can play a metallica song, then it doesn't really matter.

everything in this post was said in the thread, no exception.

lol ok, srry I'm way too lazy to read posts that are half a page long.

On September 04 2008 16:22 CrownRoyal wrote: So I got a guitar for christmas two years ago because i wanted one badly. I got it and hated it because i couldn't just pick it up and be good at it and im naturally good at everything so it made me upset. I've probably played it a maximum of 5 hours in those two years and i used to know some stuff but i don't know anything anymore. I actually took it and my amp and stuff to a pawn shop today to get rid of it cause im getting nothing out of it but they only wanted to give me 50 bucks for it and it's worth way more than that (they had full stock on guitars and the dude basically just didnt want it unless he got a sick deal) So here I am looking at this thing and realizing that I should just use it and learn it because i love music and the guitar is interesting and a challenge which i enjoy but i need to be able to see progress. Where the fuck do i start to learn a guitar by myself? Like, in poker you start with nl2, is there a starting point or a guide somewhere that is good and can get me started in the right way?

u can start by learning a couple of chords and some scales try taking some college guitar classes they are cheap and fun >.<

so like 2 years ago i decided to teach myself how to play piano

took college classes about a year into that

play about an hour a day, maybe more

and i still consider myself as sucking ass

and yeah i know theory and scales and all that mumbo jumbo

BTW i listen to rap music more than anything (and probably more than anyone hear) so does that mean i don't "love" music because some don't even consider rap music

if it is mostly the only thing you care for in music, then yes, you don't love music as a whole, you love rap mostly and enjoy some other music. does that not make sense to you?

music is great, there are so many variations it is overwhelming

people who say they love it without knowing 99.9%+ of it in fact hate music without realizing it.

and they are much bigger assholes than I am for stating that they love it in the first place than I am for stating that they don't

On September 07 2008 00:13 Loco wrote: people who say they love it without knowing 99.9%+ of it in fact hate music without realizing it. and they are much bigger assholes than I am for stating that they love it in the first place than I am for stating that they don't

if you had to know "99.9%" of something in order to love it, we'd be living in a world full of hate

On September 07 2008 01:40 Reload wrote: Show nested quote + On September 07 2008 00:13 Loco wrote: people who say they love it without knowing 99.9%+ of it in fact hate music without realizing it. and they are much bigger assholes than I am for stating that they love it in the first place than I am for stating that they don't if you had to know "99.9%" of something in order to love it, we'd be living in a world full of hate

god that would be awesome

hate is gooooooooooooood

ok i saw this late. but I bought an acoustic guitar and it had instructional dvd. The dvd starts u off by playing open notes E A D in that succesion u should learn to finger each chord correctly, place fingers close to teh fret (metal bar) to get the clerest sound. then learn to transition from chrod to chord. Strum each chrod 8 times go E A D A E repeat till u got it down perfectly. basically just use this with all chords pick 3 chords or 4 mixing minor and major chords and finger them correctly then learn to transition. thats as much as i can tell u right now. ive never touched a guitar in my life i just saw this part of teh dvd 5 mins long and withing 1 hour i had a decent understanding i kept practicing 1 hpour a day and in about 10 days i could play .45 by Shinedown. Vid or tit didnt happen right?




here u go hope u learn man its fun

btw u can find chord charts on the net, and song tabs in google site is called ultimate guitar or something liek that

On September 07 2008 01:40 Reload wrote: Show nested quote + On September 07 2008 00:13 Loco wrote: people who say they love it without knowing 99.9%+ of it in fact hate music without realizing it. and they are much bigger assholes than I am for stating that they love it in the first place than I am for stating that they don't if you had to know "99.9%" of something in order to love it, we'd be living in a world full of hate

wat...

... is this a level?

i never said you had to know 99.9% of a certain thing in order to really love it, I didn't say it was a prerequisite to know 99.9% of music I thought it was obvious enough that it meant you did not love it if you loved only 0.01% of it as a whole...

thats pretty good jorge for 1 and a half week of playing but why put it on youtube already

take some time to practice your songs before uploading them people!

for most people nothing will beat getting a good teacher, at least in the beginning

On September 07 2008 00:13 Loco wrote: people who say they love it without knowing 99.9%+ of it in fact hate music without realizing it.

are you saying you know 99.9% of music?

there we go again

On September 05 2008 08:00 Shakedown88 wrote: Step 1: You play repetitive speed/technique drills until your fingers are bleeding and badly infected. Step 2: Apply neosporin to blisters and chill out for a couple days. Step 3: Repeat Step 1 and Step 2 until you lose your fucking mind. Step 4: Educate yourself on music theory. Burn the scales and patterns into your brain. Step 5: Download a bunch of tabs and feel like a badass covering famous songs. Step 6: Book a gig at a small coffee shop and play your stupid-ass covers. Step 7: Accept the fact that you can't sing. Step 8: Dabble in songwriting Step 9: Accept the fact that you can't write Step 10: Get lazy and let the dust gather on your guitar for a couple years Step 11: Realize that you're a no talent ass clown and cry about it for a couple days. Step 12: Trip on shrooms and feel better.

CrownRoyal, since you skipped step 1-9, just go ahead and start tripping on shrooms now.

i hate cookies because i haven't tried all of the varieties yet

I obviously hate music since I don't like death metal

On September 06 2008 20:16 MiPwnYa wrote: didnt read the thread but crownroyal saying that he was naturally good at everything made me laugh pretty hard, knowin how big of a failure is whole life is; that being said I think that guitar is rly EZ to learn by yourself if you intend to play some standard rock, blues etc ; u just have to download a few tabs & practice a lot ; if you wanna play classical guitar (which actually hardly interests anyone) you rly want to have someone to teach you bcuz the skills you need are rly different and harder to develop

who the fuck are you? just because i post when im down for some reason doesn't mean im a fucking failure. I score consistently in the top percentiles on everything ive ever done so go fuck yourself.

i SERIOUSLY hate my image on this site

i should reregister or something

well your statement in the original post is pretty cocky and I thought it was funny, after seeing all your "omg I suck at life pls help me" posts ; didnt mean to sound mean tho ; I'm glad for you if you are a brilliant and gifted kid. GL

On September 07 2008 02:51 byrnesam wrote: Show nested quote + On September 07 2008 00:13 Loco wrote: people who say they love it without knowing 99.9%+ of it in fact hate music without realizing it. are you saying you know 99.9% of music?

I might have bit if you didn't make it so obvious

try again another time

On September 07 2008 09:30 iop wrote: I obviously hate music since I don't like death metal

why would you ever post this lol where did anyone say that?

you guys make some horrible generalizations/comparisons it's getting really painful to read

You made the generalization that I listen to 50 cent and made it out to like: "WTF does he know about music"

On September 07 2008 09:25 Yugless wrote: i hate cookies because i haven't tried all of the varieties yet

if you can only eat oreos and you've tried a dozen other type of cookies and hated them all so you have given up searching for better you don't like cookies u like oreos

lol the generalization that you listened to 50 cent? how is that a generalization? ... i saw a screenshot of your computer with 50 cent on your music player... that is called assuming, not generalizing.

and yes if you did enjoy 50 cent you would not know very much about music, you've rectified the case already i see no reason to bring that up again.

Does this make me gay?

yes

so wait, you DO enjoy 50 cent after all? and you think that because you enjoy some other types of music as well it makes you a music lover? am i getting it right?

there is no way in hell anyone who enjoys 50 cent has a clue about what music is. i will make the statement that your passion for music is just ridiculous if it's the case.

edit: Oh nvm i understand why you took the pointless screenshot now, yeah very funny comparison once again

Well you can make statements since you have no idea about my music taste and/or my interaction with music.

you didn't answer me. do you enjoy listening to 50 cent?

if yes
i can make the statement

if no
i can't

be clear

NO I do not listen to 50 cent

ROFL this topic is so standard for LP

then why do you get offended instead of mentioning it before

Because you seem to sort people in different catagories after ASSUMING that I listen to 50 cent I could not have a passion for music the same as you.

You seem to believe that nobody else on this earth shares your passion for music.

the person that enjoys 50 cent is indeed in a different category, i'm not assuming this it is simply the truth

once again i will repeat myself because this is very important. EVERYONE HAS THE POTENTIAL TO LOVE MUSIC AS MUCH AS ME, THEY SIMPLY DON'T TAKE THE TIME. That is why my passion for music is greater than theirs and that is why they are still listening to 50 cent and are in a different category.

I speak with multiple people daily that share my love of music and I would never say I love music more than them, ever. We're on a poker forum though so I don't expect to find many others so that's why I sound the way I sound.

Loco you are such a fucking faggot its unbelievable. This whole thread is a statement to the fact that you act and argue like a 12 year old girl.

funny reads in this thread

lol ok saki thanks for your valuable opinion

you have definitely proven to all of us that you're much more mature than me and argue very well with that one sentence

whatever you guys want to label me it can only be a good thing and better than being a fucking ignorant retard who doesn't know anything at all about music but pretends to love it (not targeting anyone in this thread but feel free to wear the hat if it fits)

seriously iop i don't understand why you would ever let this drag on for so long and leave that in the back of my mind instead of just mentioning it right away that my assumption (and I think I had a good reason enough to assume) was wrong. you took all of what i said personally (it seems) when it didn't even concern you in the end

because I was annoyed

not gonna lie you come off as a huge elitist music snob douchebag loco. your "You guys just don't undersand, I love music soooooo much more so my opinion on music is better than yours" attitude isn't helping either. It's just music, everyone likes it, chill out.

lmfao...watching Loco in this thread was awesome.

On September 07 2008 13:36 SakiSaki wrote: Loco you are such a fucking faggot its unbelievable. This whole thread is a statement to the fact that you act and argue like a 12 year old girl.

This is not true! 12 year olds aren't nearly that articulate. Give it a couple years.

well loco you gotta realize you sound pretty rediculous having such extreme opinions in this matter

i like guitars, but its not the easiest intrument to play

Although he's exagerating a bit, Loco has some valid points throughout the thread, while you people mostly prove that you can't tell an implication from equivalence, just to name the 99% thing.

Someone mentioned that African tribe members love music. Well, maybe some of you saw them sitting down, banging their hands and while listening to music, in my tv experience they were extatic about DANCING, using anything to make rythmical sounds. Just a thought came through my mind, that maybe the word music means something way different to each one of you? That would explain why Loco is so pissed at 50 cent fans who claim to love music, and you can't understand why someone is calling your beloved music a 4/4-uptempo-no-melody-or-variety-piece-of-shit.

I am actually pretty interested in what Loco listens to from genres i might find more appealing than deathmetal (just an example, i don't really enjoy classical music either)
Kind of having someone do the lazy work of filtering music for you while going through a LOT more songs/albums.
Just hearing the LTJ Bukem - music of other genres can save a lot of time !

lol cariadon ;p i'm not going to do your lazy work but i already do it for some people

i recommend good things to people who recommend me good things as well, that's the beauty of last.fm. so if you are interested in that and listen to a decent amount of music on your pc or ipod, sign up, it's the best thing to discover great new music. i might not be the best person for your tastes but you will find a lot of people you share tastes with

if you're interested in what i listen to you can see it all on last.fm, but as for genres i listen to a lot of things ranging from pretty much all sorts of extreme metal(and this i know the most about, the rest i really am a hugeeeeee student of), classical, minimalism, jazz, ambient/dark ambient, drone/noise, progressive rock, psychedelic, post-rock, sludge/stoner rock, post-metal, post-punk, lotsssss of avant-garde and experimental music, some electronic stuff (mostly breakcore/idm) some folk and some blues, underground hip-hop and abstract hip-hop(some old school hip-hop as well but i'm quite difficult hip-hop wise), some hardcore, post-hardcore, grindcore, mathcore... yeah this sums up my interests atm

only read page one but i agree with yugless, you are a music snob and coming off as a deuche. I am not saying youre music is bad but obviously not many people are going to know those artists since you in fact are the 15 year only insecure emo kid trying to prove himself by being as different from the norm as possible.

I'm surprised at how little actual guitar advice got posted...

yeah i'm the one who sounds like a 15 year old when you're the one who pretends to know me by reading one page of a music thread

you're definitely on something here, i listen to music only in the hope to prove to LP how cool and different i am for my tastes that i talked about for the first time because someone asked me to

makes a lot of sense

seriously people shut the fuck up if you don't have anything worth it to add to the thread and just want to give me shit

it's funny how the only one who has been personally targeted in this thread is the only one who admitted i was right and didn't take it personal because he's used to it, and everybody disregarded it and kept being on the defensive against my "snobism" rofl you're all ridiculous for thinking i'm automatically a snob because i like good music and despise the industry

it's also funny seeing the close-minded kid at the corner of every street who listens to either only rap/hip-hop or metal and claims the other one sucks balls and goes on about why the other genre sucks when they have no clue at all.

this person is an ignorant asshole and will get less shit than me who likes the good out of everything that has good in it, and will only speak and judge a certain music if i have a certain knowledge of it, and that makes me more hated than the other retard who speaks with no knowledge and based on his personal tastes, doesn't make sense to me.

On September 08 2008 22:24 ikc5 wrote: I'm surprised at how little actual guitar advice got posted...

read the OP

would you really bother much?

On September 08 2008 21:54 sooon2b wrote: only read page one but i agree with yugless, you are a music snob and coming off as a deuche. I am not saying youre music is bad but obviously not many people are going to know those artists since you in fact are the 15 year only insecure emo kid trying to prove himself by being as different from the norm as possible.

rofl

wow you're a faggot

im going to stop posting in this thread now because i don't want to waste my time reading and replying to people such as sooon2b but i will say just one last thing

everyone who thinks taste is subjective is an ignorant (and that is perfectly fine, we are all ignorants, some less than others)

everyone who STILL thinks taste is subjective after reading this whole thread is not just an ignorant, he's a fucking idiot.

and everyone who still thinks taste is subjective after reading this thread and still wants to try to argue with me or others or give me shit is a waste of oxygen and should kill himself

if you're not going to kill yourself, get a job in a factory because thats the only way you will ever be useful to society

Efighhhhhhhhhhht

But seriously i share your pain Crown. We have a guitar lying around here and i can't say ive learned much. After trying for a week i realized its just something you need to commit a ton of time and effort to master. Meh, some things in life i guess take time.

Fuuuuuuck, dude.

It occurred to me that I had something meaningful to contribute to this thread before I read Loco's post and decided to watch the fireworks...



Crown:

I used to play pretty basic classical guitar and was starting to get fairly good with it (mostly technicals like fingering/endurance. Weak on the sheet-reading/songwriting bit). About 2-4 years before I kinda just got bored and started doing a lot of other stuff.

Seriously, if you want to play guitar, the best advice I can give you is to play. Don't bother with lessons if you're not used to learning that way: I know many guitarists who just love music (in the most general sense...) and became fairly skilled (by recreational standards) after a couple of years. Look up the tabs to songs or parts of songs you'd like to learn how to play. Start simple, etc. If you don't think you'd enjoy learning how to read music, don't for the time being. Have fun with tabs/experimenting and the rest will come.

Oh, and get in touch with friends who also like playing guitar or another instrument. Try shit out. 2nl is like trying to piece together your mangled representation of "Stairway to Heaven". 5nl is trying to play the solo in broken 3-note parts. Run with it. gl.

Think about all the great guitar plays and how they learnt....getting tabs from the internet....I don't think so (can you imagine Jimi Hendrix using a dodgy tab web site??). Ask any good player how they learnt and the chances are that they listened to a lot of stuff and worked out how to play what they liked on the guitar (or any other instrument for that matter). Everyone has some lessons and we all have to learn scales and stuff but developing your ear is what usually sets the good player apart. So as a first point, great guitarists learn by transcribing.

Why To Transcribe

so i dodged this thread for a long time but i read most of it again and i have another poker comparison for you loco

the way you're acting in this thread is like you're talking to some guy who watches tv poker and plays homegames and shit who says to you "I love poker" and you being a true grinder and someone who makes his living off of poker saying that he can't love poker because he doesn't truely know it.

you are being snobby and you were right at first but as this goes on i think you have more leaks in your train of thought than original.



and as far as guitar goes i tried playing a bit that day and didnt get too far. I just dont have a huge desire to dedicate a lot of time to it so im just gonna dodge it for now until i get that feeling again.

On September 09 2008 18:42 CrownRoyal wrote: so i dodged this thread for a long time but i read most of it again and i have another poker comparison for you loco the way you're acting in this thread is like you're talking to some guy who watches tv poker and plays homegames and shit who says to you "I love poker" and you being a true grinder and someone who makes his living off of poker saying that he can't love poker because he doesn't truely know it. you are being snobby and you were right at first but as this goes on i think you have more leaks in your train of thought than original. and as far as guitar goes i tried playing a bit that day and didnt get too far. I just dont have a huge desire to dedicate a lot of time to it so im just gonna dodge it for now until i get that feeling again.

i wasn't going to reply anymore but i think this is somewhat interesting that you think it can be seen/compared this way

we have to realize not everything can be compared crown, but i will try to do with what you've given me here

try to see poker and texas hold em as what it is to gambling while what genres and subgenres are to music

the guy loves poker and will stay away from other sorts of gambling, he doesnt love gambling
someone likes rock n roll and will close his mind and stay away from anything unlike it, he doesnt love music

i cannot say the guy doesnt love poker when he tells me he does, but i can say he doesnt love music when he makes the mistake of saying he does but likes only one genre

i know it sounds really silly that i can say someone doesn't love music but doesn't it make sense to you given those examples and the way i think about music? that's the way i see it and you can clearly see how i see the word music and it's the only way i can present it to you with what you've given me here but i dont think it can be properly compared to poker

what we're talking about here is totally different than the examples of the person who listens to britney spears/tokio hotel and doesn't love music though... i think i have to mention it cuz it would be really confusing to mix up both.. that person simply doesnt understand at the point where she enjoys it that what she was fed isn't good music but in fact a manufactured scam that she fell for. and it doesn't make me an elitist or a snob because i'm aware of this, it makes me informed.

On September 08 2008 23:06 Loco wrote: im going to stop posting in this thread now because i don't want to waste my time reading and replying to people such as sooon2b but i will say just one last thing everyone who thinks taste is subjective is an ignorant (and that is perfectly fine, we are all ignorants, some less than others) everyone who STILL thinks taste is subjective after reading this whole thread is not just an ignorant, he's a fucking idiot. and everyone who still thinks taste is subjective after reading this thread and still wants to try to argue with me or others or give me shit is a waste of oxygen and should kill himself if you're not going to kill yourself, get a job in a factory because thats the only way you will ever be useful to society

that's a pretty harsh statement

one's taste has always got to do with his experience (even his bodily functions one might add) Loco,so it can never truely be objective (you can have similar but never identical experience with someone).
Surely two huge literature fans will agree that Dan Brown sucks ass,but that doesn't mean for example that they'll agree on their best writer or best novel ever.
I think it's a bit more complicated than saying that the appreciation/evaluation of any form of art is truely objective and you just asked me to kill myself I believe