AA 3way vs Daut

No history with Jorgo V, he was limping, calling way too much pre, like 21/7/1 style.
After Daut called the 3bet i put him on 66-JJ.
Call or fold?

Submitted by : Minion

POKERSTARS GAME #14935168776: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($5/$10) - 2008/01/30 - 13:34:14 (ET)
Table 'Rotanev' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: lucky888 ($217 in chips)
Seat 2: Jorgo V ($792.95 in chips)
Seat 3: Daut44 ($1350.90 in chips)
Seat 4: mtg38skopok2 ($157 in chips)
Seat 5: Virtucon ($1119 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero ($1335.25 in chips)
Seat 7: ackbleh ($1170 in chips)
Seat 8: longdong1972 ($98.50 in chips)
Seat 9: Blazed187 ($970 in chips)
ackbleh: posts small blind $5
longdong1972: posts big blind $10

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
Blazed187: folds
lucky888: folds
lucky888 leaves the table
Jorgo V: calls $10
Daut44: raises $30 to $40
mtg38skopok2: folds
Virtucon: folds
sachv joins the table at seat #1
Hero : raises $120 to $160
ackbleh: folds
longdong1972: folds
Jorgo V: calls $150
Daut44: calls $120

Flop (Pot : $495.00)

   
Jorgo V: checks
Daut44: checks
Hero : bets $310
Jorgo V: raises $322.95 to $632.95 and is all-in
Daut44: raises $557.95 to $1190.90 and is all-in

dauts not setmineing so call. how is this a question imo?

slam dunk shipit call

atleast i dont think so. he shouldn't be =.=

i think he could be set mining after the limper called my 3 bet
what do u think he got here?

"After Daut called the 3bet i put him on 66-JJ."

i dont get it.... if hes calling 66 why not 22-55? he is also never 4betting QQ here i dont think. you're too deep, therefore i dont think KK or AA that often either because he will definitely want to balance that out imo. also i disagree i think his calling range is fairly tight and i think 22-88 he folds most likely, they are all relatively the exact same hand

wow this is insane sick. and yeah, with the other caller a setmine isn't that out of the Q, especially with the noob calling.

this is like mega shitballs close imo. maybe neutral to slight - EV, with the $ in the pot I suppose it can't be a fold as Jorgo can probably play TT like this and Daut can certainly be "slowplaying" KK or QQ to iso the fish perhaps.

fwiw if it was me not daut id fold cause it means ill hit runner runner

if he has a set then power to him. but he can have JJ-AA here just as likely

On January 30 2008 14:09 nolan wrote: fwiw if it was me not daut id fold cause it means ill hit runner runner

rofl
so true T_T

On January 30 2008 14:10 DooMeR wrote: if he has a set then power to him. but he can have JJ-AA here just as likely

i think he would 4 bet AA/KK here so he could go for a hu pot or take it pre

On January 30 2008 14:13 Minion wrote: Show nested quote + On January 30 2008 14:10 DooMeR wrote: if he has a set then power to him. but he can have JJ-AA here just as likely i think he would 4 bet AA/KK here so he could go for a hu pot or take it pre

doesn't make sense to me because ur never getting it in with AK or QQ and neither is the shorty with all that action (usually) so its a bad read imo and a spew in a way as he is not maximizing EV and not protecting his other ranges. if it was 100bbs then thats a different story as he would also do it with AK cuz ur spot looks like a squeeze sometimes, however its too deep so hes not gonna be 4betting anything imo

9h10h

id guess 7 8 diamonds, id still call though to hit running hearts. Wouldnt he do the same with jacks or queens?
set is very likely though Folding is probably the best thing to do, but im a donk calling station so i couldnt resist

its impossible to fold here shoveeeeeee u got so much overlay and the donk can have many hands here imo

Hero : raises $120 to $160

i don't think there is any more folding after this action 99.9 percent of the time.

Does Daut respect your game? I really don't think I see him ever having QQ or JJ here, and probably not KK.

Its probably a fold on paper, but I don't make big folds like this in the heat of things anymore.

well i don't know about this range, but if this is accurate it's a snap call

Board: 8h 7c 3h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.604% 41.22% 02.39% 8161 472.50 { AdAh }
Hand 1: 56.396% 54.01% 02.39% 10694 472.50 { KK+, 88-77, 33, Th9h, 87s, 6h5h }


didn't know if i should include QQ/JJ here, otherwise i think this looks good

lol at the thought of pokerstoving aa on this board

On January 30 2008 19:34 Rekrul wrote: lol at the thought of pokerstoving aa on this board

b/c EV calculations clearly do not apply

to not know that this is a snap call even against the tightest of ranges makes someone completely ignorant of all poker common sense

On January 30 2008 13:59 DooMeR wrote: dauts not setmineing so call. how is this a question imo?

and i think he's calling here preflop to setmine or with any small suited connector 100% of the time? or is daut too good to do that!!! LOL

i guess since ur gonna cbet about 310 on the flop. hes calling 120, to win basically 700 or so eh? i guess its not bad to setmine then. meh i suck with math =.= but still a snap instacall. i mean whats he gonna do here with QQ? flat the other guys bet ? nah he'll play it same way same with JJ imo.

w/e its a snap call u invested enough preflop to never fold this ;D

how does daut view you specifically? he certainly doesn't give much credit to the fish but he has to put you on a super strong hand. i think i can find a fold here.

why is no one worried about the fish, from your desc hes not making too many moves here. I fold this here, esp at FR, but im bad and always get berated for making folds like this. I fold not just because of the fish, because I think AA is most likely behind both of their ranges.

nvm didnt see how short fish is. Still, I dont think he or daut are making moves here all that often. Dunno I still fold but w.e its close

i love daut, dauty daut daut

oh do you?

How fast did Daut push? Youve got some equity if youre behind (minimum 13% and you need like 30%) , I'd be inclined to call. Well after the big bet on your part, this is snap call actually. You shouldn't fold. Pot odds are too good. It's probably around EV=0 either way so whatever..

Youve got minimum 456$ equity after you call. So to call 880, you need to be in front just occasionally to break even. If Daut has 2 pair or a combodraw sometime its enough. The fish likely doesn't have us beat. But still, if your read is that Daut will 4bet AA KK preflop, think a long time and maybe muck QQ on flop and have only sets when he pushes (which is reasonable) then fold is best.

uh if u think to urself he is 100% of the time calling pre with a suited connector or to setmine..then how is this a snap call?
seems contradicting to the bottom line of poker doesn't it?
must be why Im obv outta my zone here
in my zone, I'd snap call this on 50NL 6MAX unless I knew the guy was tight or decent reg
but from the very little I've seen of daut and this being FR etc, I could find a fold
I think he made this easy on u
*shrug*

snap

On January 30 2008 21:15 n0rthf4ce wrote: how does daut view you specifically? he certainly doesn't give much credit to the fish but he has to put you on a super strong hand. i think i can find a fold here.

he prolly view me as a solid full ring tag grinder .. i was playing like 16/13/4

On January 31 2008 00:27 Rhaegar wrote: How fast did Daut push? Youve got some equity if youre behind (minimum 13% and you need like 30%) , I'd be inclined to call. Well after the big bet on your part, this is snap call actually. You shouldn't fold. Pot odds are too good. It's probably around EV=0 either way so whatever.. Youve got minimum 456$ equity after you call. So to call 880, you need to be in front just occasionally to break even. If Daut has 2 pair or a combodraw sometime its enough. The fish likely doesn't have us beat. But still, if your read is that Daut will 4bet AA KK preflop, think a long time and maybe muck QQ on flop and have only sets when he pushes (which is reasonable) then fold is best.

he insta pushed
i really though he would 4 bet AA/KK pre here, esp 3 way and with $1300 stacks

fold...i dont see how you ahead here. Daut probably is never doing this with JJ+ and a bluff wouldnt make any sense. it looks like a combo draw, two pair or a set

how often are you cbetting here with AKdd for example? How wide of a calling range does Daut have, and is he isolating here with suited connectors? If no to both then I would fold even given these odds as you are surely beat. Theres even no chance for him to have Axhh...

it's already a stretch to think he's setmining unless you cough up stacks with regularity
giving him T9s is ridiculous

i dont understand the logic behind wanting to 4bet here with AA and KK when they are the only hand you would do it wth. when u are this deep. its pretty much a spew in my opinion and i dont see the logic behind why someone would want to do it lol "LOOK these are the only hands that i can have, now please own me because i just told u exactly what i have, now make perfect decisions against me!"

On January 30 2008 19:51 Rekrul wrote: to not know that this is a snap call even against the tightest of ranges makes someone completely ignorant of all poker common sense

On January 31 2008 11:35 DooMeR wrote: i dont understand the logic behind wanting to 4bet here with AA and KK when they are the only hand i would do it wth . when u are this deep. its pretty much a spew in my opinion and i dont see the logic behind why someone would want to do it lol "LOOK these are the only hands that i can have, now please own me because i just told u exactly what i have, now make perfect decisions against me!"

the logic is pretty obv to me .. i rather protect my hand and take it pre then to go 3 way oop

stacking off with QQ in my spot is fucking terrible.
4betting AA pre in my spot is also terrible.
not setmining in my spot a third terrible thing.
reraising to 160 pre is the 4th terrible thing.

thats about it.

posting this thread was the 5th

can u explain why 4 betting AA in ur spot is so terrible?
i got doomers point .. is it the same?

turns hand face up and im going with the hand on virtually any flop and have nothing to worry about by letting a flop come

On January 31 2008 13:04 Daut wrote: stacking off with QQ in my spot is fucking terrible. 4betting AA pre in my spot is also terrible. not setmining in my spot a third terrible thing. reraising to 160 pre is the 4th terrible thing. thats about it.

How is 4bet shove with AA in ur spot terrible here?

i don't think he means 4bet all in

its still not good. I highly doubt he is 4betting with any sort of wide range here...

On January 31 2008 15:50 Joe wrote: Show nested quote + On January 31 2008 13:04 Daut wrote: stacking off with QQ in my spot is fucking terrible. 4betting AA pre in my spot is also terrible. not setmining in my spot a third terrible thing. reraising to 160 pre is the 4th terrible thing. thats about it. How is 4bet shove with AA in ur spot terrible here?

On January 31 2008 14:23 Daut wrote: turns hand face up and im going with the hand on virtually any flop and have nothing to worry about by letting a flop come

On January 31 2008 14:23 Daut wrote: turns hand face up and im going with the hand on virtually any flop and have nothing to worry about by letting a flop come

On January 31 2008 16:54 [vital]Myth wrote: Show nested quote + On January 31 2008 14:23 Daut wrote: turns hand face up and im going with the hand on virtually any flop and have nothing to worry about by letting a flop come

weeee im gonna float here too. and yea i see the logic behind the setmine now. well moreso the value in it =p

so.. results?

why is 3betting to 160 terrible? seems 100% standard to me...

On January 31 2008 18:29 twotimesopt wrote: why is 3betting to 160 terrible? seems 100% standard to me...

its not terrible, just a little too much

snap call

A LITTOE TO LITTLE BET MORE BIGGER FASTER

On February 01 2008 01:30 casinocasino wrote: A LITTOE TO LITTLE BET MORE BIGGER FASTER

On January 31 2008 16:42 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote: Show nested quote + On January 31 2008 15:50 Joe wrote:   On January 31 2008 13:04 Daut wrote: stacking off with QQ in my spot is fucking terrible. 4betting AA pre in my spot is also terrible. not setmining in my spot a third terrible thing. reraising to 160 pre is the 4th terrible thing. thats about it. How is 4bet shove with AA in ur spot terrible here?   On January 31 2008 14:23 Daut wrote: turns hand face up and im going with the hand on virtually any flop and have nothing to worry about by letting a flop come

Is FR really played this tight? I mean wtf how can a 4bet push turn his hand face up?

joe u play that tight in 6 max so obviously u should assume the same about other nits in 9 ring

LOL joepwned <3

and the stacks are too deep for him to do it with anything else, considering especially that its 3way. u just can't bluff or 4bet for value with anything less. therefore ur hand is faceup

On February 01 2008 07:28 Rekrul wrote: joe u play that tight in 6 max so obviously u should assume the same about other nits in 9 ring

The fact that I am a tight player and I know my 4bet push range here would be wide enough not to turn my hand face up makes me wonder about Daut's statement.

umm so u do it with AK too weeeee

even so its a spew in fullring to do it with anything else. period (this is because of stacks and it being 3way)

if you dont understand why this specific spot isnt a good 4bet spot you need to stop, take a deep breath and think it through.
obviously i 4bet in other spots with air and weaker hands than QQ but this is NOT the spot to do so. poker is a situational game, try to get a better grasp on this spot than you have now.

i cant really comment on my frequencies, my ranges, etc so i cant say much more about this hand

On January 31 2008 17:36 lebowski wrote: so.. results?

he folded, i had 77, retard had JJ

On February 01 2008 09:04 Joe wrote: Show nested quote + On February 01 2008 07:28 Rekrul wrote: joe u play that tight in 6 max so obviously u should assume the same about other nits in 9 ring The fact that I am a tight player and I know my 4bet push range here would be wide enough not to turn my hand face up makes me wonder about Daut's statement.

lol at nits trying to act cool and save face on the internet

i've seen a guy raise 6 max, u 3 bet the button with ako, idiot pushes sb with less than a buyin, initial raiser folds, then u time bank before calling

LOL 4 BET PUSH RANGE!

Dont we take our 15% chance and nail this one on him. I might put him on the set, but i just feel the running hearts and snap call. If we dont have Ah we gotta fold. Guaranteed. Snap fold. Just feel the running hearts and insta-call. I think a lot of your problems out there is not insta-calling. Insta-calling improves your odds if turning outs by over 75%. Gotta insta-call and feel it, name the exact two coming. Increases odds a lot.

Btw, for real this time... I think a lot of players are afraid of making a "bad call" at higher limits. Aces look like pure solid gold here. Not that we dont know they "could" very very easily have a set. We know that. But it is aces and on a very draw happy board. Don't be afraid to lose 1/2 buy-in or a whole buy-in on a call like this. Yes, it could be a very good fold. Like maybe 55% of the time. But your pot odds are almost 3:1, correct me if i am wrong, kinda lazy to do math. We aren't here to make good calls and good lay downs. We are here to make some $%@ing money. So if you lose AA on a draw happy board to a set, go have a cigarette, reload, and stop getting set up! Do yourself a little favor and dont fold that anymore.

P.S. We all know you posted this to smear it in daut's face. Enjoy the smear daut. Minion pwns you. Is that kinda what you were lookin for?

On February 01 2008 17:32 Rekrul wrote: Show nested quote + On February 01 2008 09:04 Joe wrote:   On February 01 2008 07:28 Rekrul wrote: joe u play that tight in 6 max so obviously u should assume the same about other nits in 9 ring The fact that I am a tight player and I know my 4bet push range here would be wide enough not to turn my hand face up makes me wonder about Daut's statement. lol at nits trying to act cool and save face on the internet i've seen a guy raise 6 max, u 3 bet the button with ako, idiot pushes sb with less than a buyin, initial raiser folds, then u time bank before calling LOL 4 BET PUSH RANGE!

exhibit B:

Dealt to Born2DogBaby
Big_Nemo: folds
Joeik: raises $30 to $40
fatal495: calls $40
Born2DogBaby: calls $40
EnoBaLL: folds
mdouglass: folds
*** FLOP ***
Joeik: bets $110
fatal495: folds
Born2DogBaby: calls $110
*** TURN ***
Joeik: bets $270
Born2DogBaby: raises $597 to $867 and is all-in
Joeik said, "sigh"
Joeik said, "so sick"
Joeik said, "i cannot fold this one "
Joeik: calls $597
*** RIVER ***
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Joeik: shows (a full house, Nines full of Sixes)

almost full timebank was used here.

On February 01 2008 17:32 Rekrul wrote: Show nested quote + On February 01 2008 09:04 Joe wrote:   On February 01 2008 07:28 Rekrul wrote: joe u play that tight in 6 max so obviously u should assume the same about other nits in 9 ring The fact that I am a tight player and I know my 4bet push range here would be wide enough not to turn my hand face up makes me wonder about Daut's statement. lol at nits trying to act cool and save face on the internet i've seen a guy raise 6 max, u 3 bet the button with ako, idiot pushes sb with less than a buyin, initial raiser folds, then u time bank before calling LOL 4 BET PUSH RANGE!

Dan, what is the point of ur post? I am not trying to pretend anything, I like my style and I wouldnt feel any bad even if I played 10/8 if I was winning that way. I am not trying to prove anything to anyone here, all I am trying is to get better understanding of poker. If you are actually trying to help me, pls say it straightforward and not in the way u are saying it, because I dont like irony and I dont understand it. If you are not trying to help me and have any problem with me, say it straight too.

And that being said, my 4-bet push range in Daut's spot wouldnt be AA only, not even KK+ and AK only. It may be a mistake I dont know, but its a fact.

it's a fact that you shoulda quit while u were behind

dig up, not down plz =[

On February 02 2008 08:19 Joe wrote: Show nested quote + On February 01 2008 17:32 Rekrul wrote:   On February 01 2008 09:04 Joe wrote:   On February 01 2008 07:28 Rekrul wrote: joe u play that tight in 6 max so obviously u should assume the same about other nits in 9 ring The fact that I am a tight player and I know my 4bet push range here would be wide enough not to turn my hand face up makes me wonder about Daut's statement. lol at nits trying to act cool and save face on the internet i've seen a guy raise 6 max, u 3 bet the button with ako, idiot pushes sb with less than a buyin, initial raiser folds, then u time bank before calling LOL 4 BET PUSH RANGE! Dan, what is the point of ur post? I am not trying to pretend anything, I like my style and I wouldnt feel any bad even if I played 10/8 if I was winning that way. I am not trying to prove anything to anyone here, all I am trying is to get better understanding of poker. If you are actually trying to help me, pls say it straightforward and not in the way u are saying it, because I dont like irony and I dont understand it. If you are not trying to help me and have any problem with me, say it straight too.

arguing with someone who doesn't really give a shit and is fucking around 80% of the time is probably futile.

its a FUITLE WAR!

LOL j/k i dunno this is just like nit destruction thread. nit bashing weeeeee~

they each have 72o obv

On February 02 2008 18:13 n0rthf4ce wrote: Show nested quote + On February 02 2008 08:19 Joe wrote:   On February 01 2008 17:32 Rekrul wrote:   On February 01 2008 09:04 Joe wrote:   On February 01 2008 07:28 Rekrul wrote: joe u play that tight in 6 max so obviously u should assume the same about other nits in 9 ring The fact that I am a tight player and I know my 4bet push range here would be wide enough not to turn my hand face up makes me wonder about Daut's statement. lol at nits trying to act cool and save face on the internet i've seen a guy raise 6 max, u 3 bet the button with ako, idiot pushes sb with less than a buyin, initial raiser folds, then u time bank before calling LOL 4 BET PUSH RANGE! Dan, what is the point of ur post? I am not trying to pretend anything, I like my style and I wouldnt feel any bad even if I played 10/8 if I was winning that way. I am not trying to prove anything to anyone here, all I am trying is to get better understanding of poker. If you are actually trying to help me, pls say it straightforward and not in the way u are saying it, because I dont like irony and I dont understand it. If you are not trying to help me and have any problem with me, say it straight too. arguing with someone who doesn't really give a shit and is fucking around 80% of the time is probably futile.

lol... can't really think of any other ways to cope with his vitriolic remarks though

actually, you'd be hard pressed to find a more controlled cat than rekrul

On February 03 2008 00:28 sawseech wrote: actually, you'd be hard pressed to find a more controlled cat than rekrul

i remember the days when you only trolled along when rek posted fake advice..

in any event you will always at best be flipping vs a tight player here - but with so much in/having Ah/out of principle just call-muck-reload

my brain changed alot following that incident

i dunno how exactly but i became a far better, stronger version of myself

i wish brain explosions on all the lifenits amongst you

imo it's more profitable to just filter out anything that can be taken personally and only listen to the advice instead

general statement -.-

did i mention that i love daut

did i ever mention that i havent sent your backpack back because i spoon it at night to always have your scent near when i awaken?

wow, i'm suddenly not mad at you anymore for taking so long

<3

myth has a dapper scent

i enjoy it daily

ty gent

frinkx i heard u were talking mad dota shit, then got challenged to a bet game, to which stakes you raised, and had all the circumstanced under your control (you whining about u being able to host etc) then u backed out like a little bitch and made mad excuses when it came time to play

whats up with that man?

On February 04 2008 08:25 Rekrul wrote: frinkx i heard u were talking mad dota shit, then got challenged to a bet game, to which stakes you raised, and had all the circumstanced under your control (you whining about u being able to host etc) then u backed out like a little bitch and made mad excuses when it came time to play whats up with that man?

evan was obv watching this at the time

ya. worst post ever. congrats fuckwad.

On February 04 2008 08:25 Rekrul wrote: frinkx i heard u were talking mad dota shit, then got challenged to a bet game, to which stakes you raised, and had all the circumstanced under your control (you whining about u being able to host etc) then u backed out like a little bitch and made mad excuses when it came time to play whats up with that man?

yes, believe what rob says

it got rly complicated and he kept changing the details of the bet after agreeing upon certain things - and heckling me and telling me lies, so i had enough. he turned something fun into something aggrevating so I had enough and blocked him.

had nothing to do with the amount of money. I was the one who asked for a dota betgame - i did not raise the stakes i agreed to what he offered. i did not whine about being able to host, it was never even discussed.

i will happily play bet games in dota for fun vs practically anyone

if u'd like more details i'll tell u the whole story but it's pretty dumb =

the whole point of the bet was to spice up an already fun game and make it more interesting, but he is an unreal faggot

On February 02 2008 08:21 Joe wrote: And that being said, my 4-bet push range in Daut's spot wouldnt be AA only, not even KK+ and AK only. It may be a mistake I dont know, but its a fact.

so u shove there with less than AK... Joe who are you trying to fool seriously -.-

Frinkx: Strafe You fucking Suck
Strafe: LoLol wanna play 1on1 for money?
Frinkx: Sure 100$ 200$?
Strafe: How about 500$? but gimme 2:1 odds cuz u are so pro
Frinkx: OKAY!

next day

Frinkx: Strafe you can't play with shadowfiend
Strafe: Lol you get viper stop crying, you can even host and have better delay
Frinkx: I'll have to practice

3 days later

Strafe: so go?
Frinkx: YOU ARE A FAGGOT!
frinkx: BLOCKED YOU FUCKING FAGGOT!, MIG IS ALSO FAGGOT!

...

hi frinkx

how do you lie so much?

I never said you sucked, but you asked me if we play a 1v1 dota match (because I was looking for action) what odds i'd give u, i thought about it for a second and said 2-1, you said okay how about for $500, and i said sure.

I thought this was same hero vs same hero match (this is actually to YOUR advantage), but you wanted to do different heroes. Right then and there I reserved the right to deny any hero because there are a shit load of combos.

We talked about my hero being viper because he is one of the best solo heroes. Then you gave this pool of heroes: silencer/sniper/Terrorblade, krobelus, medusa, luna. I lol'ed and agreed to it because this is a horrible pool of heroes and i know there's no way you can micro the silencer correctly even though he could take viper.

I bugged you for a day+ about what hero. You then told me that you'd be sniper. I then tried to message you for 1-2 days asking when we would play.

You then told me you said you didn't want to do sniper, and you wanted to do shadowfiend. Now having gone against the pool you said and the hero you chose, you picked the single hero I did not want to play against (see back to in the beginning where i reserved the right to deny any hero). But I was still going to give you action on shadowfiend, but because you chose SF I had to do a couple of practice games to see the build I was going to do. SF is not as good as viper, but is MUCH easier to CS with than viper and if he gets an early game advantage and a quick bottle and plays half-way decently I could have a much harder time. I was still confident I could beat him, i just needed to figure out my build.

1/31/2008 1:21:17 AM Robbie Evan alright lets paly saturday then
1/31/2008 1:21:25 AM Robbie Evan im going to my parents for 2 days gonna play on laptop whichs ucks a bit
1/31/2008 1:21:28 AM Robbie Evan saturday im back

(This is us talking on wednesday going into thursday)

On thursday evening I saw mig/rob were on, I messaged both of them wanting to know if they wanted to play with me and 2 friends. Mig then insta said "why are u backing out of ur bet game with robbie", etc etc. Rob told mig lies and mig was heckling me, rob then told me lies and was heckling me, they called me out on not playing him then and there.

they didn't stop, i went on serious tilt, for some reason I had to explain my actions numerous times? After this went on for a good period of time and it was the most unreal retarded 3-way convo where rob didnt stop lying to me and kept lying about things that mig said to him about me (i hope ) I finally said fuck off, this has been dragged out and changed long enough and not fun anymore, and blocked him.

rob is a huge faggot and took all of the fun out of something really simple.

he lies more than some american girls say 'like' =[

I only called you a faggot, mig was lied to by you and we straightened it out at the end (i think?)

....

hi strafe

/care didnt even read

it was probably dodge more lets make it 5000$ 1:1 odds. go?

you're retarded =[

u didnt read because u know u lied and i was well within my rights to "back out" (aka have nothing to do with you thank god) after you having changed parts of the bets multiple times.

how many people on msn did u go crying to slandering my name? link them here plz thx

and how are you so fucking stupid that u cant understand this was supposed to be a fun bet between friends?

I understand you pull the 'it was supposed to be fun, because I'm actually scared and need any reason to back out on' card.

And don't worry FrinkX. You don't have to get so defensive prematurely. There is no reason for your paranoia as to why I would slander your name. I know you are arrogant, which got you into this mess to begin with, but it is too arrogant to think I actually talk about you. You are still welcome at my place any time you want to visit though. No hard feelings. Wanna be friends? Besides this is no place to be talking about this matter anyway.

LoL at rekrul for bringing it up though;D

paranoid? you are obviously doing it. defensive prematurely? I was just responding to what you said. i didnt think u'd be retarded enough to make others aware of your actions but ok

why do you keep saying scared lol. why do u think this was a mess for me? you still think this is about money. i was risking to lose 1k when i have daily swings 4x that amount. forget about the skill difference

this is about YOUR actions and me getting fed up with them and not wanting to have to put up with you. doesnt rly matter, ur mind is made up and theres no way to change it. and if i could afford 5k i'd snapcall it and gladly take an amount that i know you CANNOT afford =[

and this most certainly is not the place to be discussing it but obviously someone was eventually going to say something when u spread ur retarded lies

tldr

but lol where the fuck is this thread going...

ok, how about we go back to what we originally agreed to

viper vs sniper, but instead of $500, make it $1000, and instead of 2-1 I'll give you 3-1.

Call, just i want to pick whatever the fuck I want.

Also the original bet was as other people know that you gave me 2:1 odds on 1v1 and then I raised the stakes to which you said call and THEN you started making weird demands for no reason.

I can afford 5k don't worry. Can you stop posting it at liquid poker now? Or do you have to keep defending your honor?

viper vs sniper, but instead of $500, make it $1000, and instead of 2-1 I'll give you 3-1.

Call, just i want to pick whatever the fuck I want.

what are you calling then? i'm so confused.

i'm not unblocking u on msn, i honestly don't want to have anything to do with you.

weird demands for no reason? excuse me for thinking that when u play 1v1 in dota it's SAME HERO VS SAME HERO so that the person with MORE SKILL wins. lol @ weird demands. all i said was i have the right to deny certain matchups, YOU are the one who kept changing major details of the bet and then acted as though I wanted to back out and drove me to the point where this stopped being fun/worth it.

This wasn't about the money, it was about spicing things up and having fun. I'll play you if u wanna do the bet i just offered because thats ridiculously ez money for me IMO, otherwise F off =[

thread is much better now

ty frinkxy poo <3

np thats what im here for

next time i c u im gna give u a big hug

cuz u r just 2 cuddly

You are such a vagina Frinkx. First you say that Viper is the best 1:1 hero and then you won't let me pick a lesser hero to play you?

You know for someone that says he totally rapes me and how easy money I am to him you dodge insanely hard.

Drop the 3:1 give me 2:1 and I'll play for 1000$ with SF vs Viper. Go?

i'm a vagina? you wouldnt play SAME HERO vs SAME HERO; what i originally agreed to. Then i agreed viper was the best overall hero and i said i'd play him vs ur hero - depending on the hero u choose. then u give me a pool of heroes that i agree to - you choose one of those heroes and i agree to it - then u back out of both those agreements and choose the single hero i did not really want to play vs because he is the only one who could lucksack vs me and he wasnt even in your original pool to begin with

yea, call me a vagina when u back out of it

fuck off you stupid fucking cunt. you should have manned up in the first place and just played me viper vs viper or whatever same hero combo you stupid fuck. this was supposed to be fucking fun, the money wasnt supposed to be important.

im done with you

seriously keep fucking going helm of the dominator on drow because u don't know how to fucking orb walk harass and be able to properly farm as drow and then go 0-12 with pugna in the next game and complain how u cant do anything when ur one of the best support heroes in the game, while passing it off as "oh i wasnt trying" blablabla you stupid fuck

+ u flip out on my friend in vent who told u ur build was bad when it WAS and u werent helping the team at all and i agreed with him and u tell him u hope his mother dies? lol

ur such a fucking retard.. you fucking suck at this game. at least i can accept how big my ego is and that i can be arrogant at times... u haven't the slightest clue about yourself =[

SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK DO U READ ANYTHING I TYPE

i'm mother fucking convinced u don't fluently speak or understand english. it HAS to be the reason you're this fucking stupid

SICSNKKKKKKK TILFT

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On February 06 2008 03:25 FrinkX wrote:

thats my brother in law...

hes got a SICK cool jobbb

Someone that makes 6 emo posts in a row without someone replying is a vagina yes.

gg me

So once you are done with your rollercoaster of emotions, wanna play for money and see who has the bigger dick?

Ron Burgundy said I'm in a glass cage of emotion.

I'm loving this thread

On February 06 2008 04:26 n0rthf4ce wrote: Show nested quote + On February 06 2008 03:25 FrinkX wrote: thats my brother in law...

check out this hot bitch i got some candid shots of in Baden on a random huge hill behind the casino



ps, <3!

rofl, this thread gets better and better every day

ps, ket have you ever considered taking a break from poker and getting on the llama paparazzi hustle? i feel from that shot your potential is limitless.

lolllllllllllllllll

On February 06 2008 11:20 RiKD wrote: ps, ket have you ever considered taking a break from poker and getting on the llama paparazzi hustle? i feel from that shot your potential is limitless.

looooooooooooooooooooooool

no rob i insta dodge, ur dick is oh so superior

just wanted that established

On February 04 2008 10:00 sawseech wrote: ya. worst post ever. congrats fuckwad.

ok...

why don't u go crawl back into that hole you went to before after making a complete fool out of yourself... actually this might be a better place for you

been there dun that LDO

i like ice chipz. uh? rikey da ice chipz?

i meeted my 4th bestest friend george dare

he ded now >_<

anywayz i think u neither nice nor smart and i hope u die in fire

burn in fire! faggot! dumb!

LOL this is hilarious

On February 06 2008 14:33 sawseech wrote: anywayz i think u neither nice nor smart and i hope u die in fire burn in fire! faggot! dumb!

i forgot how amiable you are..

anyways why don't u go "shit on" some more nits (as you say) at nl100 cuz ure so badass.. u are a clown

how about in relativeing short linear timeframez i cum shit on u? taked ur monies! u rikey?

these muthafuckaz know, ask anybody

sawseech is da shit

inscrutable.
ferocious.
insane.

put that in your model and regress it. bitch.

On February 06 2008 11:17 RiKD wrote: rofl, this thread gets better and better every hour

ROFL.... why havent I seen this before?

On February 06 2008 10:06 Ket wrote: Show nested quote + On February 06 2008 04:26 n0rthf4ce wrote:   On February 06 2008 03:25 FrinkX wrote: thats my brother in law... check out this hot bitch i got some candid shots of in Baden on a random huge hill behind the casino ps, <3!

pretty nice but her bottom jaw is too big.

thats why shes cute silly

i like her horns and lips

i get weird feelings from reading this thread.

when did Dota get so serious lmao

when was dota not serious business?

what planet are u from

RUSRYS?

is she pregnant? whats that bulge on her side. you guys are fucking chubby chasers arent you, sick fucks

no way man, she is grade A. chk out the dude in the background undressing her w/ his eyes.

On February 07 2008 09:14 Daut wrote: is she pregnant? whats that bulge on her side. you guys are fucking chubby chasers arent you, sick fucks

chubby chicks need lovin' too, you selfish asshole

preggoz r da horniest

plus da golden glove will not be da same soon, must use maeny time

I fold this hand fairly easily.