On November 28 2018 21:47 Baalim wrote:
I've always found it curious that depress people gravitate towards alcohol and other depressants and manic paranoid people gravitate towards cocain and uppers... it seems counterintuitive, instead of looking for balance we are looking to potentialize our neurosis and self destruct
Alcohol can go great with crawling into a hole and drowning yourself in alcohol.
Man, when I'm manic I want to ride that rush as far as it can go.
On November 28 2018 22:29 RiKD wrote:
I recently invested just about everything into Buddhism and certain teachings for 4 months? Then I found out it would be wise to not continue with my teacher and there are a lot of feelings surrounding that. I haven't really been able to make sense of them all. Imagine spending most of your time... pretty much all of your time away from work on a goal... a serious goal of ceasing suffering and then find out that that is not the path. Especially someone like me who has been down so many paths. I'm just sick of it. I know it will pass but sometimes it doesn't feel that way. I learned some truths in Buddhism there is no going back from there but it feels like there is no winning with Theravada, Vajrayana, or Mahayana Buddhism. I don't know if there is winning in a USA based secular Buddhism either. I don't like the Chinese. Tibetans seem ok but so much damn ritual and magic. I really like Thai people and other Southeast Asians but there cultural Buddhism seems sketchy. At this point in time Zen Buddhism is not for me and I don't foresee it ever being for me. I just want the scriptures and a reasonable teacher. That may be asking for too much.
Stop looking for guidance in any of these traditions. You are not ready for those teachings yet. First you need to learn to observe your ego. Watch it as much as you can, during everyday activities. Stop reading scriptures, read Eckhart Tolle instead. Or Osho. I recommend you start with the Power of Now, learn the concept of presence. Then read Stillness Speaks, and then A New Earth. Practice presence. Learn to spot inconciousness in you and in others. Watch it, don't react. See the reaction manifest in your mind. Laugh at it.
Once you understand presence, once you know how to JUST BE, you will be ready for all the scriptures. You will see the meaning behind Buddha's words. Your meditation will improve. From this on, you will be able to chose any Buddhist tradition that fits best the way you wanna live your life. You must persist my friend
Reincarnation is real. I will write more in my blog on the weekend
You don't get it Tutz. The principle obstacle for a person's well-being, and by extension their spiritual life, is the economic prison they are stuck in. The domination of a human being or a group of human beings on another. We used to be able to escape from such situations that led our biological structure to become damaged, either by fighting or running away or mutual avoidance, throughout human evolution, up until the point where you have these large cities, social inhibitions, and the need to labour for someone else in order to sustain your existence (for the majority of people) . In such a society the threats leading to such states are more common and they persist in a chronic fashion, but they are abstract; the malaise is wide spread, and it comes out in many different illnesses (psychosocial stress--->psychosomatic illnesses) and forms of aggression that can get people into serious trouble. What I was saying is that joining a Sangha, a group of monks in a monastery, is one of the few escapes possible. You no longer need money, even take a vow no longer to touch it. Your existence is preserved by the laity. I never expected it to save me from all suffering, how dumb would I be? But getting away from the grind is the most pressing part for anyone wishing to live well.
I read the Power of Now several times. I've known about Tolle for like 10 years. There's nothing unique about his teachings, it's a new age repackaging of Vedanta. A book like this leads a lot of people to false awakenings. As for Osho, my ex best friend went to one of his ashrams for a long period. Only thing he got out of it was a baby because he impregnated a Korean girl while he was there. He's still as unenghlightened as ever, falling for all sorts of alternative medicine scams. This isn't an argument against Osho, but it's obvious that these teachers don't just attract people from the Oprah book club but people with serious issues that often aren't ameliorated by listening to them.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
On November 29 2018 00:51 Stroggoz wrote:
depression is not understood very well. Many cases of depression must have a lot of sociological, geographic contributing causes though, imo. I don't think charlatans like lacan or peterson are helpful. You could probably get better advice from close family members than psychologists or psychiatrists most of the time. Certainly agree with loco that LP is a terrible place for advice on these matters. Personally for me, studying and getting involved in politics cures me of depression, so does not coming to LP. It's not a model solution for anyone else. Also i think that depression can sometimes be a good thing or at least a bad side effect of a greater good.
I like my current psychiatrist/psycho-analyst/therapist but I do agree with you. A phone call with my sister who is also a therapist has tended to be very valuable. My mom is good to talk to also but she is on a repositioning cruise out at sea for a week. LP you get a mixed bag. There are some ok discussions. There are some lulz. I think I have seen this in multiple places one of them being Sartre but the idea is that activism is one of those things people find liberating, worth doing, etc. It becomes a meaning that can overcome the meaningless of life. I am way too cynical in matters of politics, governments, and corporations. I would rather live on Pun Pun farm in Thailand and learn the ways of sustainable living.
On November 29 2018 17:36 Loco wrote:
You don't get it Tutz. The principle obstacle for a person's well-being, and by extension their spiritual life, is the economic prison they are stuck in. The domination of a human being or a group of human beings on another. We used to be able to escape from such situations that led our biological structure to become damaged, either by fighting or running away or mutual avoidance, throughout human evolution, up until the point where you have these large cities, social inhibitions, and the need to labour for someone else in order to sustain your existence (for the majority of people) . In such a society the threats leading to such states are more common and they persist in a chronic fashion, but they are abstract; the malaise is wide spread, and it comes out in many different illnesses (psychosocial stress--->psychosomatic illnesses) and forms of aggression that can get people into serious trouble. What I was saying is that joining a Sangha, a group of monks in a monastery, is one of the few escapes possible. You no longer need money, even take a vow no longer to touch it. Your existence is preserved by the laity. I never expected it to save me from all suffering, how dumb would I be? But getting away from the grind is the most pressing part for anyone wishing to live well.
I read the Power of Now several times. I've known about Tolle for like 10 years. There's nothing unique about his teachings, it's a new age repackaging of Vedanta. A book like this leads a lot of people to false awakenings. As for Osho, my ex best friend went to one of his ashrams for a long period. Only thing he got out of it was a baby because he impregnated a Korean girl while he was there. He's still as unenghlightened as ever, falling for all sorts of alternative medicine scams. This isn't an argument against Osho, but it's obvious that these teachers don't just attract people from the Oprah book club but people with serious issues that often aren't ameliorated by listening to them.
I see. From this, I believe I have just a few things I could add to you.
From what you said it seems clear to me, and I say this with all due respect to you, that you are still being deeply held down by your bundle of thoughts. You are rationalizing something that must be felt. But you can never allow yourself to feel anything while being dominated by the mind. In this condition, everything will be superficial. I'm sorry if I'm too abstract at times. Spiritual teachings are best transmitted in the form of parables, or examples, cause that's the best way to cut through all the layers of thinking.
Can I ask why did you read the Power of Now several times, as you said? If it was useless the first time, why read the second? Also, it's a given that Tolle's teachings, as well as Osho's, or Buddha's, or Christ's teachings, have nothing new in them. They are different pointers to the same universal truth. Different ways of saying the same exact thing.
I can feel the sense of superiority in your words when talking to me. Ask yourself, why? Why do I have to, through my words, make it clear how superior I am to him, even if subtly? Or to anyone in this forum? Could that type of unexamined thought pattern be harming my spiritual awakening? Moreover, where does this thought even comes from? Ego? Or my true self?
I will not try to win this argument, as there is nothing to be won here. There is only consciousness, or the lack of it.
It wasn't useless at those times because I was an uneducated poker player who was focused on trying to achieve financial freedom. It introduced me to ideas that would help me to detach from my emotions and be a better poker player. I returned to that book at times where my romantic life went sour. It was a palliative. It worked wonderfully. I actually had my best poker year ($100k, $1/hand) after reading the book the second time and overcoming that one heartache in 2008-2009. I hadn't read about Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism straight from the source yet. Once you've drunk the clearest spring water there is, you no longer wish to go back to bottled water. I also hadn't learned the things I've integrated in my thinking from biology, sociology, economics, ecology, complexity theory, etc. and which these non-duality teachings say next to nothing about, yet are fundamental to understanding the world we live in today.
I can feel the sense of superiority in your words when talking to me
That's called projection. You probably won't learn about it reading Tolle.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
On November 29 2018 18:49 Loco wrote:
It wasn't useless at those times because I was an uneducated poker player who was focused on trying to achieve financial freedom. It introduced me to ideas that would help me to detach from my emotions and be a better poker player. I returned to that book at times where my romantic life went sour. It was a palliative. It worked wonderfully. I actually had my best poker year ($100k, $1/hand) after reading the book the second time and overcoming that one heartache in 2008-2009. I hadn't read about Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism straight from the source yet. Once you've drunk the clearest spring water there is, you no longer wish to go back to bottled water. I also hadn't learned the things I've integrated in my thinking from biology, sociology, economics, ecology, complexity theory, etc. and which these non-duality teachings say next to nothing about, yet are fundamental to understanding the world we live in today.
I can feel the sense of superiority in your words when talking to me
That's called projection. You probably won't learn about it reading Tolle.
Alright, no problem my friend.
I'm very sorry if in any way I made it look like I was superior to you in any way. I'm not. I will examine my words better in the future so I don't make people feel that way anymore.
I hope you find what you are looking for my friend.
Namastê
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PoorUser United States. Nov 29 2018 20:13. Posts 7472
On November 28 2018 21:47 Baalim wrote:
I've always found it curious that depress people gravitate towards alcohol and other depressants and manic paranoid people gravitate towards cocain and uppers... it seems counterintuitive, instead of looking for balance we are looking to potentialize our neurosis and self destruct
just a few quick notes - alcohol is a stimulant in smaller doses hence its abuse by people with a wide range of conditions (though ease of availability relative to other drugs, social acceptableness and a million other reasons add to that as well), when it comes specifically to the subset of people who have bouts of mania, are aware of them and are working towards some improvement [and still use drugs], marijuana is the most used drug by a pretty wide margin. (again, thats not exactly what you were talking about so its more meant as an appendix)
On November 29 2018 00:51 Stroggoz wrote:
depression is not understood very well...You could probably get better advice from close family members than psychologists or psychiatrists most of the time.
i dont want to jump too much into the whole post but there's a bit of a disconnect here. i suspect you meant 'depression is not understood very well' in terms of scientific understanding and theres a good amount of truth to that. that said, i think that sentence would fit equally well when talking about society in general. there isn't a ton of awareness/recognition between general run-of-the-mill depression and clinical depression and that ignorance can make talking to a loved one, or advice proferred there from, to be a pretty bad time. that said, talking to a loved one who is (if not super knowledgeable on the subject to begin with) open-minded, empathetic and knows the person intimately is a solid way to improve one's life a non-zero amount in almost any situation.
"All that I know is that I know nothing" said Socrates. Well, you could add to that that, short of having certainties, you know that living 'as if' something is true can have more value than not to.
Believing in something that isn't true only because it is useful is profoundly intellectually dishonest - Bertrand Shaw
Its obvious that nobody knows what happens when we die, however the most logical assumption and most likely scenario would be that we return to the non-consciousness that has had us for the last few billion years, anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool, anyone who claims otherwise is a charlatan.
As I said, reincarnation isn't any more mature than clouds, golden harps and cherubs, it isn't any more sophisticated than the 72 virgins, it is simply the ego fighting its worst enemy, oblivion.
This quote is misplaced. We're not talking about belief in false things. The 'as if' is applicable to things that are constructs, which are necessarily open-ended and not directly verifiable/provable. Like this subject of non-duality that is popping up often in posts by longple, tutz, napalm... the idea that things come from one ultimate source and all things go back to it and are it. It's something that some physicists like Schrodinger believed and you can find support for it outside of the loony bin. Living as if something like this is true would not be the same thing as believing in a lie. I'm not saying this is how one should approach life, btw, I'm making no value judgment with relation to this argument. In fact, it is a bit comical for me to be arguing this point in a devil's advocate kind of way here when I was the one who was annoyed with Jordan Peterson playing with this while you thought "his pragmatisim [and lack of skepticism] is what makes him interesting".
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
So, it's been a few days now and I'm still in it. I'm ok with that though for the most part. I sleep a lot, I go to work, I visit the internet, and read. One thing I've been thinking about is just how brainwashed I am from AA and how is that effecting me? I know for one thing not going seems to effect my well being. I am missing a fellowship but at the same time going effects my well being because that fellowship is brainwashed and attempting to brainwash me. It would be nice to have somewhere to go. I don't know where to go. Besides sleep and making pizzas for people.
This whole tutz situation kind of outlines what I don't like about "spirituality." It just makes me want to stay away even more.
On December 02 2018 17:29 RiKD wrote:
So, it's been a few days now and I'm still in it. I'm ok with that though for the most part. I sleep a lot, I go to work, I visit the internet, and read. One thing I've been thinking about is just how brainwashed I am from AA and how is that effecting me? I know for one thing not going seems to effect my well being. I am missing a fellowship but at the same time going effects my well being because that fellowship is brainwashed and attempting to brainwash me. It would be nice to have somewhere to go. I don't know where to go. Besides sleep and making pizzas for people.
This whole tutz situation kind of outlines what I don't like about "spirituality." It just makes me want to stay away even more.
I'm sorry to hear that man. I hope things turn around soon.
Namastê
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hiems United States. Dec 02 2018 19:12. Posts 2979
On December 02 2018 17:29 RiKD wrote:
So, it's been a few days now and I'm still in it. I'm ok with that though for the most part. I sleep a lot, I go to work, I visit the internet, and read. One thing I've been thinking about is just how brainwashed I am from AA and how is that effecting me? I know for one thing not going seems to effect my well being. I am missing a fellowship but at the same time going effects my well being because that fellowship is brainwashed and attempting to brainwash me. It would be nice to have somewhere to go. I don't know where to go. Besides sleep and making pizzas for people.
This whole tutz situation kind of outlines what I don't like about "spirituality." It just makes me want to stay away even more.
make 3 pizzas. ejaculate in one of the pizza doughs. if tutz can correctly identify which pizza is the one with your jizz then we will know that he is truly the one that has opened his third eye.
I beat Loco!!! [img]https://i.imgur.com/wkwWj2d.png[/img]
On November 27 2018 08:32 SleepyHead wrote:
Life is super short dude. Stop worrying about stupid shit and enjoy your life
I don't know if you understand depression. I was having difficulty getting out of bed. When I wrote OP I literally felt like I could not do anything besides sleep. I think I slept 15 hours yesterday? I got to the bank before it closed, went to the beach and decided it was too cold to go for a walk, and then came home and actually got the bills done. That felt like a major win and picked up some momentum to do some dishes and make a dish my Thai Aunt was telling me about.
How do I enjoy my life?
I can't say that I understand exactly what you're going through but I can answer the question. You enjoy your life by doing things that you enjoy doing
Dude you some social darwinist ideas that they are giving hitlers ghost a boner - Baal
idk, all my life i wanted rolly when i was depressed i bought for myself Fake rolex, this make me feel a bit better, i ate a good food, and this helped a lot. Maybe you can do something like this, shopping truly helps.
On July 13 2025 21:10 histroy wrote:
idk, all my life i wanted rolly when i was depressed i bought for myself Fake rolex, this make me feel a bit better, i ate a good food, and this helped a lot. Maybe you can do something like this, shopping truly helps.
I shop therefore I am
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
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