On April 02 2016 12:01 KrappyKonnect wrote:
That's the problem you probably dont even know any muslims
This is where Capaneo points out that he is persian and knows more muslims than all of us combined instead of actually replying to actually meaningful posts where I said around 50% of muslims believe in death to aphostacy, homosexuality etc. and calling him out on his claims about Sam Harris.
Where do you get these numbers?
And Muslims from where? That is such a broad population. It is impossible to do any survey on Muslims on the entire world. Do you know how did this specific surveying work?
First of all, there is fundamental problem with surveying in most Muslims countries. I give you a perfect example. I travel to Iran and middle-east regularly. If while I am there someone ask me if apostasy should be punished by death. I will always say yes. I know all my friends and families and their families friends would say exactly the same thing. Because everyone is paranoid about government and surveillance etc. (which actually is not even that paranoid, because it is something that happens regularly)
Second, the law you are referring to, is actually part of Islam same as fasting is part of Islam. Same as lent is part of Christianity. But blowing up Muslims and terrorist attacks is actually not. It is only a specific interpretation by the extreme right wing group mostly from Saudi-Arabia and Pakistan.
But all that aside, I am not sure what conclusion you are trying to get at? Let me give you an example involving US. There are many survey that also say about 20%-30% of Americans are against abortion in ANY and ALL circumstances. There are also crazy American who go bomb, burn or do mass shooting at abortion clinics. So based on that are you suggesting that 20% of Americans which is about 60million people are actively out there trying to murder people at abortion clinics?
Its starting to get irritating that you do not read the posts in the thread.
At no point Ive said that 50% of muslims are terrorist at any point, in fact I made it very clear that under 1% actually are connected to a terrorist cell, but that a majority or close to it are Islamists and have absolutely barbaric beliefs incompatible with the west, like death for leaving Islam, death to homosexuals, death to blasphemers etc. And im only focusing on capital punishment and Im not mentioning the countless other violent and hateful beliefs about women, modesty, corporal punishment, speech etc.
And I am saying that polls also show 30% of Americans have also absolutely barbaric beliefs that are incompatible with USA. There were studies few years back that shows 60% or so of Americans believe America is/should be a Christian nation.
And where do you get the less than 1%? That is like me saying that less than 1% of Americans are there actively trying to murder abortion doctors. 1% of Muslims is a still huge number, what exactly do you mean "less than 1%". What is exactly your point here? Should we kick out 30% of Americans for believing abortion should be illegal in all cases?
I think there is a tiny little gap between being against abortion and wanting to murder anybody who renounces their fucking faith.
Its a little weird that I have to point this out to you.
Oh and withe under 1% I mean a very little minority, if you want to point out the exact percentage of jihadis go ahead.
I actually don't think there is a much of a difference. Being against abortion pretty much means the doctor and the mom are committing a murder. Should be punished by death/life sentence. People who believe in Islam are just as stupid as people who believe in other stuff. They don't understand the complications of the stuff they say. They don't say they want to murder people who renounce their faith. They say they have committed a death-penalty-crime. Same as people who perform abortion and murder unborn children have committed a death-penalty-crime. Saying stuff is easy. Doing is where crazy fundamentalists come into play. They chop people head off and they bomb abortion clinics. Both equally crazy.
And I don't know what % of Muslims are crazy fundamentalists aka jihadists. I think it is higher than Christians right now but not because of Islam. It is because today's socioeconomics status of majority Muslim countries. When majority Christian countries where in shitty socioeconomics status during middle and dark ages then Christians were the crazy motherfuckers and Muslims where the ones inventing Medicine, Astronomy, and Algebra. These discoveries and inventions were done exactly the same period that Christians in Europe were doing shits that make today's ISIS and AlQaida look like child's play. So what has changed? Islam is the same, Christianity is the same as well. People's culture have changed. And if you know the history it is impossible to blame it on religion. It is because of something else whatever that is. But we know for a fact it is not the religion and it is not the race.
No, being against abortion isnt the same than claiming homosexuals and apostates should be killed not even close, is this kind of huge leap in logic that you use in your arguments that make your credibility suffer, like saying Sam Harris is even worse than people who beheads Kafirs, these are not rational positions, but weird rationalizations.
The source of these violent beliefs is another subject, I dont blame solely religion because well the Bible, Torah and Koran are equally stupid and barbaric so of course culture is responsible but so is religion, people commit the most heinous crimes when they believe god is on their side and wouldnt be able to be manipulated by religious leaders into commit suicide without it.
Its not important for the subject if the culprit is religion, culture or both, but the they have these beliefs and they are fleeing to much more idologically advanced countries and this will obviously lead to strife.
As I said before im an anarchist so ideally there would be no borders, but if there are, this is the exact situation where they should serve its purpose.
besides citing utter garbage sources (you honestly believe sweden will become a third world country by 2030?) you actually think we should gather crime statistics based on race? i dont need to discuss anything with you further since you are doing a perfectly good job in making a complete fool out of yourself and you dont need my help with that
Do not push the river, it will flow by itself. - Polish proverb
Not third world admittedly but 2nd world. According to the UN report you will become like Poland is today. Poland interestingly will get to your current level. It's a remarkable drop going from probably number 1 or thereabouts in the world. http://ww.rrojasdatabank.info/HDRP_2010_40.pdf
Why not do racial statistics? I know why they don't do it in Sweden because of disproportionate numbers. If natives committed more crime per capita they would make sure to point it out at every opportunity.
Every country reports their crime in a different manner. But there are significant differences (indifference by authorities & by victims) between developed, developping and 3d world countries. For example, household abuse will rarley be reported in non-developped countries, or bicle theft for example or other less significant crimes.
I dont know why you think im trying to "make excuses" , personally these discussions have very little to do with my personal life, and only thing im interested in is building proper rational perspective on these issues. My.knowledge on these issues has increased tenfold ever since i started talking about it, mostly by applying my general knowledge, logic, economic knowledge with a very skeptic approach as to whoever offers "solutions", wether on left or right spectrum. Im apolitical and have no other intrests other then rational thought. So you really need to stop with these baseless assumptions and start disecting your belifs and certitude on issues you seem to have little knowledge on.
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Muslims where the ones inventing Medicine, Astronomy, and Algebra.
*made contributions to. I hear this claim all the time. First of all they conquered Mesopotamia.
The first century of the Islamic Arab Empire saw almost no scientific or mathematical achievements since the Arabs, with their newly conquered empire, had not yet gained any intellectual drive and research in other parts of the world had faded. In the second half of the 8th century, Islam had a cultural awakening, and research in mathematics and the sciences increased.[45] The Muslim Abbasid caliph al-Mamun (809–833) is said to have had a dream where Aristotle appeared to him, and as a consequence al-Mamun ordered that Arabic translation be made of as many Greek works as possible, including Ptolemy's Almagest and Euclid's Elements. Greek works would be given to the Muslims by the Byzantine Empire in exchange for treaties, as the two empires held an uneasy peace.[45] Many of these Greek works were translated by Thabit ibn Qurra (826–901), who translated books written by Euclid, Archimedes, Apollonius, Ptolemy, and Eutocius.[46]
There are three theories about the origins of Arabic Algebra. The first emphasizes Hindu influence, the second emphasizes Mesopotamian or Persian-Syriac influence and the third emphasizes Greek influence. Many scholars believe that it is the result of a combination of all three sources.
Same goes for the others which are even more ridiculous to claim to have invented.
On April 06 2016 09:10 Gumster wrote:
you actually think we should gather crime statistics based on race? i dont need to discuss anything with you further since you are doing a perfectly good job in making a complete fool out of yourself and you dont need my help with that
What is inherently wrong with tracking crime trends among different demographics? It can only be positive info from a law enforcement / crime prevention perspective.
Also, you should consider stopping that childish 'omg you're so dumb i don't even need to explain myself!' routine. If someone is really so stupid why even reply? Your posting style doesn't make you look intellectually superior to anyone and it certainly doesn't challenge anyones' opinion.
On September 08 2008 10:07 Baal wrote: my head is a gyroscope, your argument is invalid
On April 06 2016 09:10 Gumster wrote:
you actually think we should gather crime statistics based on race? i dont need to discuss anything with you further since you are doing a perfectly good job in making a complete fool out of yourself and you dont need my help with that
What is inherently wrong with tracking crime trends among different demographics? It can only be positive info from a law enforcement / crime prevention perspective.
Also, you should consider stopping that childish 'omg you're so dumb i don't even need to explain myself!' routine. If someone is really so stupid why even reply? Your posting style doesn't make you look intellectually superior to anyone and it certainly doesn't challenge anyones' opinion.
The problem reporting crime by races are predominantly in one social class (poor people steal more obv) and while even in the same social class it ignores many other factors and suggesting a race has a genetic predisposition to crime or violence isn't really helpful, even if true the % is minor and wont lead to any fruitful action and only help to justify racism
Well this girl gets it, she's got some balls unlike majority of her brethren. Now this i approve of. Some self policing and no more "we're so oppressed" bullshit in every host country they're in. Empower the moderates who actually have some balls to stand up for what is obviously a terrible interpretation of a religion. I hope more people like her don't get into trouble and actually get support from fellow muslims, and I'm talking about uneducated ones, not only people who go to school in the west.
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On April 06 2016 23:19 Mortensen8 wrote:
You know my spirit home that should be enough
So what were they supposed to do, imprison him indefinitely for suspicions?
I guess thats what the US does...
He coulda got a hell of a lot more than 4 years for shooting at police with an AK imo. Attempted murder = life if not execution. R u serious you see no problems with that timeline?
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traxamillion United States. Apr 09 2016 03:58. Posts 10468
On April 06 2016 23:19 Mortensen8 wrote:
You know my spirit home that should be enough
So what were they supposed to do, imprison him indefinitely for suspicions?
I guess thats what the US does...
He coulda got a hell of a lot more than 4 years for shooting at police with an AK imo. Attempted murder = life if not execution. R u serious you see no problems with that timeline?
So are you saying muslims statistically get lighter sentences? or what is the point here
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austrian oak Belgium. Apr 09 2016 11:56. Posts 520
You can shoot rob fight murder here. The only thing they really dont like is anything that has to do with financial fraud. That shit gets ur ass locked up for a long time.
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On April 09 2016 14:06 nolan wrote:
That news reporter is probably going to end up dead or in prison soon, no?
Not 100% sure the translation is accurate. Felt wierd that the comments are disabled, and i would read about MEMRI first before i would commit to the validity of this video.
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
