UFC 196: McGregor vs. Diaz

^^ the smile of 8 million dollars lol

Conor was fat for that weight he didn't have time to train for. extra fat = slow sluggish lazy shots, gassed early, wanted out so went for Nates guard which is the worst since Nate's ground game is top level. he wanted the fight to be over from exhaustion, he started getting hit because he was too tired to keep his hands up. he outboxed nate before he got tired. watch the fight again.

I don't think Lawler could hold McGregor's punches. It's more about relaxation than toughness, it was relaxation and height (which created awkward angles) that allowed him to hold the punches.

Lawler holds more through toughness, thats completely different, it will get your head knocked off in that spot.

Let's stop with this Lawler non sense. Weight classes are there for a reason. While I agree Mcgregor has better stand up than Robbie and might cause him problems, the fact is The Ruthless one is a legit very big welterweight and will walk in on fight night with probably 20 pounds weight advantage. He will also have reach advantage.

Conor is simply too small to give problems to top WW fighters and I pick him to smash RDA, btw. His fight with Nate really reminded me of Nick vs Paul Daley fight, where if you go hard against Diaz and you are not able to knock him out, you are pretty much fucked. Lets hope with that setback we can get good odds for Mcgregor title defence at featherweight.

On March 07 2016 08:56 whamm! wrote: ^^ the smile of 8 million dollars lol Conor was fat for that weight he didn't have time to train for. extra fat = slow sluggish lazy shots, gassed early, wanted out so went for Nates guard which is the worst since Nate's ground game is top level. he wanted the fight to be over from exhaustion, he started getting hit because he was too tired to keep his hands up. he outboxed nate before he got tired. watch the fight again.

lol what? Conor changed from 155 to 170 on 11 days notice, you're terrible if you think he randomly put on a bunch of fat in those 11 days. He was probably the same weight he would of been at 155, minus having to do a weight cut.

Fighting at 170 changed nothing, other than Diaz not having to cut weight. But on the same token, Diaz was an out of shape mid tier lightweight.

ignore that, you could just see the weigh in, if thats what you call fat you have some high standards
Connor didn't have to cut weight, meaning he should be in even better shape as 170 lbs seem like his natural state

The reason he gassed is because he threw nothing but power shots for like 7 minutes, and because he was fighting a Diaz. They throw tons of peppering shots that disrupt rhythm and shit and makes people get tired. They've done it to just about everybody who doesn't destroy them via leg kicks and wrestling.

He seemed to get gassed after psyching himself out after he cut Diaz open. It was fucking strange psychologically.

Like he cuts Diaz open into a pulp, so he panics goes nuts, and finishes himself...its like he doesnt understand the difference in hunter vs panic, like he called that mode panic. He cut him open so he paniced...wtf.

It's like he was trying to project, but Diaz doesn't absorb energy or something. And the same panic he was trying to project explodes internally.

It could easily be explained now that the fight has happened, hard to predict though. Connor overhyped himself, he thought he ll have a much bigger edge. Instead Diaz disrupted his rhythm and showed no weakness even after he got cut, seems like Diaz brothers are just used to get hit hard and couldn't give fucks about it. Somehow that got into Connor's head and threw him off his game, that combined with a few clean combos that connected resulted his loss.
It just shows a leak in his mental game, its one thing to project a strong mentality, quite another to own it.
I still dont understand why he didn't kick his right leg though, it seemed to me that Diaz extended it on quite a few places plus put his weight on it all the time, I mean Diaz just looked heavy on it unlike usual light on legs stance for boxers?

Diaz leans heavy on that front leg, helps his reach and allows him to pop back quickly. Bad vs leg kicks tho yea. Like opposite of Thai style

On March 07 2016 02:45 soberstone wrote: Debates and conversations about theory are great and I love them, and I hate arguing, just felt like responding to you because you sounded salty and lame. There is nothing worse than trying to get clarity, than instead getting the MMA math end-all-be-all argument, but since you just aren't getting it, I'll play ball. You have to be salty to use "absurd statement" to describe the opinion that Lawler's chin may not hold up to the same shots and pace. You ever see Nick Diaz KO Lawler? It wasn't power, it was Lawler being over-whelmed, exhausted and running into something he didn't see coming. Lawler still has a tremendous chin. And so does McGregor so obviously a "simple 1-2" isn't what ended the fight. What ended the fight is a series of events where McGregor worked I'd say too hard to stay in Diaz face, throw 10 strikes a minute, and still stay defensively sound - consistently landing shots that Diaz saw coming but missing and coming up short on follow-ups. He started to tire, got less accurate, started eating some shots, ate some really clean straights to the body that I think hurt him. Because his game relies so much on reflex and making you miss by as little as possible so that he can counter perfectly, once he slowed down a step it went from a high-paced 1 sided fight to a brawl, then quickly to Diaz picking him apart, landing clean combinations, and Conor finally being flat footed, stiff, and leaning into the 1-2 you refer to, which was when we knew it was over. My point is, Robbie could easily lamp Conor with his raw power, but he probably couldn't do what Nate did to win, which was sit in the pocket and use range, cardio, and chin advantages that Lawler simply doesn't have to let Conor wear himself out and then switch those attributes all from defensive to offensive manifestations in a perfect way to polish off and sub Conor - basically turning a little 5 second slow-down from Conor into a 90 second ass-whooping. That rationale, + the other arguments I laid out about Robbie's trajectory with his own durability, how Condit gave him problems using similar tactics to what Conor is good at, + 1 more key argument which is that while stands in the pocket and trades, he got the better of the mental warfare, he didn't care that was getting lit up, where-as Robbie would get emotional , bite down on his mouthpiece and start swinging for the fences which is never good vs Conor. So what that Robbie bigger than Nate, he's not longer, isn't half the grappler, he hit's harder but not as often, has better defense but a worse chin, far better defense but far worse cardio. It's just a totally different fight and I think it easily lines up more-so in Conor's favorite style wise. Oh well, never gonna happen, but atleast I spent worthless time performing this exercise.

You wrote a very elocuent post that makes absolutely no sense lol.

You talk about staying in the pocket taking punishment and I literally cannot think of anybody else in all MMA in all weightclasses that describes that better than Lawler, Im not saying that Connor wouldnt beat Lawler, what Im saying is that your perception of how Lawler fights are so off it feels as if you had literally never seen one of his fights.

And that KO vs Diaz was 12 years ago... I would use the typical "old v new Lawler" argument but damn.. that fight was even before old Lawler

On March 07 2016 08:56 whamm! wrote: ^^ the smile of 8 million dollars lol Conor was fat for that weight he didn't have time to train for. extra fat = slow sluggish lazy shots, gassed early, wanted out so went for Nates guard which is the worst since Nate's ground game is top level. he wanted the fight to be over from exhaustion, he started getting hit because he was too tired to keep his hands up. he outboxed nate before he got tired. watch the fight again.

LOL that smile looked like he lost 8 million... hihihi

On March 07 2016 19:50 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2016 08:56 whamm! wrote: ^^ the smile of 8 million dollars lol Conor was fat for that weight he didn't have time to train for. extra fat = slow sluggish lazy shots, gassed early, wanted out so went for Nates guard which is the worst since Nate's ground game is top level. he wanted the fight to be over from exhaustion, he started getting hit because he was too tired to keep his hands up. he outboxed nate before he got tired. watch the fight again. lol what? Conor changed from 155 to 170 on 11 days notice, you're terrible if you think he randomly put on a bunch of fat in those 11 days. He was probably the same weight he would of been at 155, minus having to do a weight cut. Fighting at 170 changed nothing, other than Diaz not having to cut weight. But on the same token, Diaz was an out of shape mid tier lightweight.

yup... maybe we're overestimating connor's skills? i really thought he was on a whole new level...

On March 08 2016 12:54 lucky331 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2016 19:50 Stim_Abuser wrote:   On March 07 2016 08:56 whamm! wrote: ^^ the smile of 8 million dollars lol Conor was fat for that weight he didn't have time to train for. extra fat = slow sluggish lazy shots, gassed early, wanted out so went for Nates guard which is the worst since Nate's ground game is top level. he wanted the fight to be over from exhaustion, he started getting hit because he was too tired to keep his hands up. he outboxed nate before he got tired. watch the fight again. lol what? Conor changed from 155 to 170 on 11 days notice, you're terrible if you think he randomly put on a bunch of fat in those 11 days. He was probably the same weight he would of been at 155, minus having to do a weight cut. Fighting at 170 changed nothing, other than Diaz not having to cut weight. But on the same token, Diaz was an out of shape mid tier lightweight. yup... maybe we're overestimating connor's skills? i really thought he was on a whole new level...

Definitely. At the end of the day Conor has two elite wins, a 10 day notice Mendes who was beating him until he gassed horribly, and a 13 second KO over Aldo which doesn't show us much besides Conor has an amazing counter left hand, and Aldo threw a really stupid combination.

He's still a very good fighter, just don't think he's as great as many think/thought.

Honneslty, i think people are under estimating Diaz.

Conor was no fluke. Its just that Diaz is better than people expected. Diaz is actually a #5 guy at lightweight.
Lets get this straight, probably nobody at lightweight has any chance of beating Diaz in a boxing match.
Every lightweights who can beat Diaz usually either does it by wrestle fucking him or abusing leg kicks.
Having to beat Diaz with pure standup is not easy at all.
Conor thought he would still be able to beat Diaz, but he forgot a few things:

#1 Diaz's standup is actually really high level. Conor's skill edge actually isn't that large. Its definetly there tho.
#2 The fight being at welterweight helps Diaz more than we think. He is a big lightweight who used to be a welterweight. Conor was comming up from featherweight. This is big.
#3 Diaz was able to absord A LOT more damage than Conor.
#4 Diaz's cardio was a lot better, probably due to Conor's big weight gain.

So if Conor tryed to make this a long fight a bit like against Holloway, he would probably have lost due to cardio.
So instead, he decided to try and KO Diaz. But he didn't expect Diaz to easily eat all of his best shots.

I disagree though. Not with the post as a whole, but rather the original statement about Diaz.

It's not so much underestimating Diaz as it is having higher expectations of McGregor. Connor might be an asshole, might not be the GOAT or w/e other labels you could think of, but what he certainly was up till Diaz fight was smart. He was well prepared for each fight and executed a logical plan, which did not happen vs Diaz. He did not exploit his weaknesses, rather tried to beat him in his own game.
And again thats not really terrible cause he tried to push himself to another level, but we won't know if it was worth it until future fights

#4 Diaz's cardio was a lot better, probably due to Conor's big weight gain.

What big weight gain? First of all, he was prepping for a 155 fight not a 170 fight.

Second, I know two featherweight pros personally and they both walk around at about 170 and cut from not much lower than that. Conor was a huge, huge featherweight, no way he was less than that while fighting at featherweight.

If anything he should have had better cardio than usual since he didn't have to cut.

Who is this Connor ? John Connor from terminator?

Conor.

Floofy catch up on some basic 4th grade grammar, my eyes are bleeding.

What are your thoughts on Mir vs Hunt? Mir is a small underdog and I keep picturing how he manhandled Roy Nelson.

conar will be back and whup his arse and cash those cheques at 155. anyone see all this hate coming? he was kicking nate's ass and gassed by missing all those unecessary haymakers, didn't even go with legkicks, switch or oblique kicks. after the first round he was exhausted in a 2 round fight - i also noticed that in the mendes fight but he was lucky mendes gassed first. i dunno if all the touchbutt hurt his short time to make adjustments in training in another completely different type of fighter though, but he needs to be like he was with holloway and be more efficient with his strikes when against a clearly longer guy.

On March 11 2016 06:58 TianYuan wrote: Show nested quote + #4 Diaz's cardio was a lot better, probably due to Conor's big weight gain. What big weight gain? First of all, he was prepping for a 155 fight not a 170 fight. Second, I know two featherweight pros personally and they both walk around at about 170 and cut from not much lower than that. Conor was a huge, huge featherweight, no way he was less than that while fighting at featherweight. If anything he should have had better cardio than usual since he didn't have to cut.

Watch UFC 194, and then UFC 196, don't tell me u can't see the difference in weight.