UFC 196: McGregor vs. Diaz - Page 10

WTF are you talking about? Lawler has never been KOd in 12 years and his durability is legendary ofcourse he can take, also the ground was irrelevant, Connor was staggering and he was going to get KOd any second.

Also no Diaz doesnt have the perfect style to beat McGregor... do you think he is retarded enough to hand pick his worst matchup? its actually a very good matchup for McGregor, someone like Khabib would destroy Connor

agree with baal.. for once. Really the mendes fight was foreshadowing conors holes. He does a lot of unecessary flashy stuff (capoiera bs etc.) and possibly got lucky on some of his tko's, and lacks jits. I think ferguson, khabib, hafael would have manhandled him easily, taken the same shots diaz took but dealt twice the dmg.

Just saw the match... I'm split on Connor's plan trying to outbox Nate. I mean if he had done it he would've been the king, but I'm not sure it was worth it. A bit disappointed that Diaz didn't KO him though, McGregor's chin is damn strong.
Either way, huge boost for Diaz and McGregor wont really lose much, he ll just go fight RDA or defend his current belt next and forget about a match with Lawler

What a crazy night of fights. Super happy for Nate Diaz.

Live betting had some amazing lines this event. Got Elkins at +400 after 1st round. Taleb + 333 after 1st round. Sylar at +200 after the 2nd round and Holly at +175 at the end of the 2nd. Could of been an amazing night, but went huge on Holly at + odds and did not hedge at the beginning of the 5th. That Tate sub felt like a pretty brutal one outer.

I still think Mcgregor looked spectacular in the first round and a half. He was absolutely smashing Nate Diaz standing up like I have never seen Nate being dominated in boxing. After not being able to finish him with his best shots, He just seemed to gas a little and lose confidence. It is hard to keep your confidence and energy high, when you hit a guy with your best shots and he still stands there and is coming back. I really feel RDA is a lot better match up for Conor and he murders him if they fight. Not really sure he can take the punches Nate took.

dont think nate was getting smashed the first round just looked a lot worse cause of all the blood

On March 06 2016 07:02 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On March 06 2016 06:26 Baalim wrote:   On March 02 2016 04:03 Baalim wrote: Nate is pretty fucking live here, as Stim said, the Diaz brothers have a huge specific weakness, leg kicks and I havent seen Connor go big on those, maybe he will though, he is an amazing kicker and a smart fighter but if he decides to stand and box with Nate he is going to get hit Called it, Connor fought like an imbecile trying to fight at that pace against a granite chinned cardio machine. He should have punished the legs like everyone else and taken the free win. He's a karate guy, not a muay thai guy. I don't think I've ever seen him land a leg kick before tonight. Don't think he was gonna change all that. Trying to change his entire style and go from a pressure fighter who uses his reach to make guys over commit and then counter, to an outside leg kicker who used a ton of lateral movement would of probably got him boxed up worse. leg kicking Nate without getting countered isn't something you can do on the fly with 11 days notice when that's not even in your toolbox.

Its absurd to say that someone as good as Conor cant use legkicks just because he does not come from a muay thai background.

According to the great knowledge of nutrition of both McGregor's movement coach and Joe Rogan, it's not possible for Diaz to compete successfully at this level as a vegan.

This is pretty funny, skip at around the 1 min mark:

On March 06 2016 16:18 gebbstet wrote: Show nested quote + On March 06 2016 07:02 Stim_Abuser wrote:   On March 06 2016 06:26 Baalim wrote:   On March 02 2016 04:03 Baalim wrote: Nate is pretty fucking live here, as Stim said, the Diaz brothers have a huge specific weakness, leg kicks and I havent seen Connor go big on those, maybe he will though, he is an amazing kicker and a smart fighter but if he decides to stand and box with Nate he is going to get hit Called it, Connor fought like an imbecile trying to fight at that pace against a granite chinned cardio machine. He should have punished the legs like everyone else and taken the free win. He's a karate guy, not a muay thai guy. I don't think I've ever seen him land a leg kick before tonight. Don't think he was gonna change all that. Trying to change his entire style and go from a pressure fighter who uses his reach to make guys over commit and then counter, to an outside leg kicker who used a ton of lateral movement would of probably got him boxed up worse. leg kicking Nate without getting countered isn't something you can do on the fly with 11 days notice when that's not even in your toolbox. Its absurd to say that someone as good as Conor cant use legkicks just because he does not come from a muay thai background.

I didn't say that, I said he wouldn't of been able to effectively use them without getting countered. Landing leg kicks against a pressure fighter like Diaz who has good range without getting countered isn't easy. Ask Cerrone, one of the best leg kickers in the division. You can't just magically turn into a RDA/Bendo/Thompson leg kicker in 11 days when it's not even in your toolbox.

To leg kick a guy like Diaz without getting countered all night you need a specific type of lateral movement and set ups that Conor has never showed before. You don't learn that stuff in 11 days.

On March 06 2016 08:44 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On March 06 2016 07:19 Spitfiree wrote: Thats good for the sport. ( McGregor losing ) He ll be tryharding for some time now to regain alpha status Was contemplating a smallish bet on Diaz, too bad i didn't put it what are you talking about man, this is terrible for MMA, McGregor was getting a looooot of new fans in, he was aiming to break paradigms and be a multi-weight class champ etc, him losing in a meaningless fight is horrible. Also Tate winning is awful, Ronda vs Holly now is a meaningless fight

Great night for me as a fan, but brutal night for MMA as a whole for sure.

Though there might some silver lining with Meisha winning. Ronda can come back and be champ, and Dana can feed Holly wrestlers. Hollys ground game was shockingly terrible. She is much worse than your average blue belt on the mat. She looked like she'd only trained for a couple months.

Nate Diaz: $500,000
Conor McGregor: $1,000,000

Miesha Tate: $92,000 (includes $46,000 win bonus)
Holly Holm: $500,000

Ilir Latifi: $50,000 (includes $25,000 win bonus)
Gian Villante: $36,000

Corey Anderson: $40,000 (includes $20,000 win bonus)
Tom Lawlor: $28,000

Amanda Nunes: $56,000 (includes $28,000)
Valentina Shevchenko: $14,000

Siyar Bahadurzada: $38,000 (includes $19,000 win bonus)
Brandon Thatch: $22,000

Nordine Taleb: $30,000 (includes $15,000 win bonus)
Erick Silva: $34,000

Vitor Miranda: $32,000 (includes $16,000 win bonus)
Marcelo Guimaraes: $13,000

Darren Elkins: $74,000 ($37,000 win bonus)
Chas Skelly: $21,000

Diego Sanchez: $150,000 (includes $75,000 win bonus)
Jim Miller: $59,000

Jason Saggo: $20,000 (includes $10,000 win bonus)
Justin Salas: $16,000

Teruto Ishihara: $34,000 (includes $17,000 win bonus)
Julian Erosa: $12,000

Note: these UFC 196 payouts don't include fighters' PPV share, sponsorship money and performance bonuses of the event.

On March 06 2016 09:32 Baalim wrote: WTF are you talking about? Lawler has never been KOd in 12 years and his durability is legendary ofcourse he can take, also the ground was irrelevant, Connor was staggering and he was going to get KOd any second. Also no Diaz doesnt have the perfect style to beat McGregor... do you think he is retarded enough to hand pick his worst matchup? its actually a very good matchup for McGregor, someone like Khabib would destroy Connor

I'm stating my opinion. Don't sound so salty.

I don't he's retarded enough to pick his worst match-up on purpose, but he obviously lost and didn't expect that to happen so that argument really holds no water.

I don't literally mean worst matchup anyway, but it's one of them in my mind for sure. Agreed Khabib would probably ragdoll Conor just like he did too RDA and everyone else if he comes back and looks the same. I just don't know very many guys that can deal with Conor's pace so easily and then be ready to just mash the gas pedal after getting bludgenud for 7 minutes. People will laugh but I genuinely doubt RDA would have been able to have weathered a similar first round (although the fight probably looks different) and I would still favor Conor over RDA if they fought tomorrow.

As for Lawler's durability, there is no question that he is historically durable and tough but he gets rocked a lot and Conor is a finishing machine if someone gets hurt. Lawler's button looked it was getting pressed too easily by Condit - like his chin might be fading which makes complete sense considering he's so old in fight years and has had so many wars.

I can't think of a better style matchup for McGregor at 170 out of the top tier guys, than a guy who likes to stand and bang, is not a submission threat, and who's cardio isn't great (he's just hidden that by controlling the pace with insane defensive footwork and fighting in bursts with super high fight IQ and ringmanship). Furthermore, out of everything Condit did, it was his improved movement, high work-rate, and unpredictable striking diversity/angles that gave Lawler problems. Those are all staples of McGregors game.

Finally, whoever said Conor's striking defense is terrible is nuts. It's hard to appreciate how tough it is to stand in the pocket against a guy as accurate and active as Diaz, slip or perry almost everything he throws, all while constantly throwing offense.

I'm not trying to be Captain Save-a-Conor here, I'm just pretty surprised at the conclusions. Nothing I saw in that fight made me think Lawler would destroy Conor any more or less than before.

On March 06 2016 06:34 PuertoRican wrote:

Nailed it, especially on the cardio.

Baal too on the leg thing Connor didn't bother to exploit

Im not salty, you are just making absurd statements like Nate can take those punches but Lawler cant, while Lawlers endurance is second to none in the WW division if this fight didnt convince you that Lawler would beat Connor watch it again, see how bigger guys can take punches better and punch harder, Nate ended it with a simple 1-2 combo and took more than any featherweight could... not amplify that even more for Lawler that is considerably bigger and stronger than Nate.

Debates and conversations about theory are great and I love them, and I hate arguing, just felt like responding to you because you sounded salty and lame. There is nothing worse than trying to get clarity, than instead getting the MMA math end-all-be-all argument, but since you just aren't getting it, I'll play ball.

You have to be salty to use "absurd statement" to describe the opinion that Lawler's chin may not hold up to the same shots and pace. You ever see Nick Diaz KO Lawler? It wasn't power, it was Lawler being over-whelmed, exhausted and running into something he didn't see coming.

Lawler still has a tremendous chin.

And so does McGregor so obviously a "simple 1-2" isn't what ended the fight.

What ended the fight is a series of events where McGregor worked I'd say too hard to stay in Diaz face, throw 10 strikes a minute, and still stay defensively sound - consistently landing shots that Diaz saw coming but missing and coming up short on follow-ups. He started to tire, got less accurate, started eating some shots, ate some really clean straights to the body that I think hurt him. Because his game relies so much on reflex and making you miss by as little as possible so that he can counter perfectly, once he slowed down a step it went from a high-paced 1 sided fight to a brawl, then quickly to Diaz picking him apart, landing clean combinations, and Conor finally being flat footed, stiff, and leaning into the 1-2 you refer to, which was when we knew it was over.

My point is, Robbie could easily lamp Conor with his raw power, but he probably couldn't do what Nate did to win, which was sit in the pocket and use range, cardio, and chin advantages that Lawler simply doesn't have to let Conor wear himself out and then switch those attributes all from defensive to offensive manifestations in a perfect way to polish off and sub Conor - basically turning a little 5 second slow-down from Conor into a 90 second ass-whooping.

That rationale, + the other arguments I laid out about Robbie's trajectory with his own durability, how Condit gave him problems using similar tactics to what Conor is good at, + 1 more key argument which is that while stands in the pocket and trades, he got the better of the mental warfare, he didn't care that was getting lit up, where-as Robbie would get emotional , bite down on his mouthpiece and start swinging for the fences which is never good vs Conor.

So what that Robbie bigger than Nate, he's not longer, isn't half the grappler, he hit's harder but not as often, has better defense but a worse chin, far better defense but far worse cardio. It's just a totally different fight and I think it easily lines up more-so in Conor's favorite style wise.

Oh well, never gonna happen, but atleast I spent worthless time performing this exercise.

On March 06 2016 23:59 traxamillion wrote: Show nested quote + On March 06 2016 06:34 PuertoRican wrote: Nailed it, especially on the cardio. Baal too on the leg thing Connor didn't bother to exploit

Goof stuff right there

LOL didn't expect this result from Connor. lol @ Connor's smile after the fight.

^^ the smile of 8 million dollars lol

Conor was fat for that weight he didn't have time to train for. extra fat = slow sluggish lazy shots, gassed early, wanted out so went for Nates guard which is the worst since Nate's ground game is top level. he wanted the fight to be over from exhaustion, he started getting hit because he was too tired to keep his hands up. he outboxed nate before he got tired. watch the fight again.

I don't think Lawler could hold McGregor's punches. It's more about relaxation than toughness, it was relaxation and height (which created awkward angles) that allowed him to hold the punches.

Lawler holds more through toughness, thats completely different, it will get your head knocked off in that spot.