- It was revealed on January 13, that this event was actually expected to feature a UFC Heavyweight Championship rematch between current champion Fabricio Werdum and former champion Cain Velasquez at Arena da Baixada in Curitiba, Brazil. However, due to a series of injuries, the promotion had to move the heavyweight bout to the original UFC 196, so they decided to move the Brazilian card to Rio de Janeiro. The UFC then considered booking a rematch between former UFC Middleweight Champion Anderson Silva and former UFC Light Heavyweight Champion Vitor Belfort as main event. Belfort declined the bout as he decided to wait the result of the middleweight title fight at UFC 194. That prompted the cancellation of the event and relocation to Las Vegas. On January 27, due to the Werdum-Velasquez bout being cancelled, UFC 196 as it was known became a Fight Night card and this event originally known as UFC 197 was re-numbered as UFC 196.
- The event was expected to be headlined by a UFC Lightweight Championship bout between current champion Rafael dos Anjos and current UFC Featherweight Champion Conor McGregor. This would have been the second time in UFC history that current champions in different divisions would fight for a title. The first time was at UFC 94 on January 31, 2009, when then-UFC Welterweight Champion Georges St-Pierre defended his title against then-lightweight champion B.J. Penn. On February 23, the planned bout suffered a setback as it was announced that Dos Anjos pulled out due to a broken foot. Former featherweight champion Jose Aldo declined the initial opportunity to replace him due to "lack of time" to prepare for the bout.[9] In addition, former lightweight champion and current top contender at featherweight Frankie Edgar also declined the opportunity due to a groin injury. Eventually, The Ultimate Fighter 5 winner and former lightweight title challenger Nate Diaz was announced as the replacement and the bout will take place in the welterweight division.
- A UFC Women's Bantamweight Championship bout between current champion Holly Holm and former Strikeforce Women's Bantamweight Champion Miesha Tate is expected to co-headline the event.
- Michael Johnson was expected to face Tony Ferguson in a lightweight rematch. However on January 27, it was announced that Johnson withdrew from the bout due to injury. Ferguson is now expected to fight at UFC on Fox: Nurmagomedov vs. Ferguson on April 16 against Khabib Nurmagomedov.
- A welterweight bout between Brandon Thatch and Siyar Bahadurzada, originally slated for UFC Fight Night: Cowboy vs. Cowboy was rescheduled to this event due to Thatch's inability to gain clearance for needed medication.
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PuertoRican United States. Feb 28 2016 07:39. Posts 13051
Tate has a pretty decent chance at winning, hopefully not I want Holly to kick Rondas ass again soon
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goose58 United States. Feb 28 2016 12:29. Posts 871
McGregor is a lock in this fight vs Nate, winning 95%~ of the time
Holly is a lock against Tate too, absolutely. Winning 90-95%~ imo
Both Tate's and Nate's standup is far inferior than their respective opponents. They will get dismantled. Both will be looking for the takedown (Nate's gonna feel more pressure to bang, only reason he got this fight imo). I doubt either will go the distance. These are just softball type fights, easy home run hits for the champs until their big fights come (RDA and Rousey).
If Holm has the same control like she did vs Rousey it would be a slam dunk. However I think Tate has much more outs than Rousey in this match up, might be biased due to the impression from Rousey vs Holm match. She did destroy her completely
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soberstone United States. Feb 28 2016 20:48. Posts 2662
McGregor > Diaz (Yay for this fight)
Holm > Tate - I think this will be an epic fight that ultimately won't be super close on the cards but one where both fighters show immense heart and mental toughness.
Villante > Latifi
Anderson > Lawlor - Lock of the card besides McGregor. Anderson is the best 205 lb prospect the UFC has (not saying much) and I think they know it.
Nunes > Schevchenko - Interesting to me that they made this fight. I love it but I'm sad one of these 2 has to lose since I think they are both insanely talented striker and awesome athletes. To me, Nunes is further along and might be the best 135 chick on the planet right now.
Thatch > Siyar - Via rape if Siyar doesn't land one of his stupid bombs in the first 2 minutes.
Silva v Taleb - Pickem - Erik Silva is explosive and dynamic but is ultimately a shit fighter outside of small moments and is worst case of "being off the juice" we've seen. Taleb is tough and well-rounded, which makes Silva's land a huge shot and find the finish strategy less likely to work.
Miranda v Guinmaraes - Dunno
Elkins > Skelly - Similar fighters, I'll take the savvy vet to outpoint and be one step ahead of Skelly for most of the fight. The over seems inevitable.
Sanchez > Miller - Just have a feeling he takes a split where Miller did more damage but Sanchez was more active and has the biggest "oh shit" moments
Salas > Saggo
Ishihara v Erosa - Dunno
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Stim_Abuser United States. Feb 28 2016 22:41. Posts 7499
I feel like people are sleeping on Diaz. Conor is going from fighting guys that are like 5'7'' on average with like 6-8 inches of reach on them, to a guy who's 6'' and has the reach advantage.
Yes Conor is the much better fighter, because Nate has big weaknesses in his game. But Conor isn't really that good in the things Nate is weak in, like leg kicks and offensive grappling.
Conors strategy has always been to slowly stalk/pressure guys, kind of like nate, keep them at the end of his punches and kicks, and then counter them when they over extend trying to make up the distance. He can't really do that against Nate, due to the reach advantage. So he's probably going to have to adapt a new strategy
What do you guys think Conors strategy is going to be? Lots of kicks from the outside, and use movement to get in, hit diaz, and jump back out of range?
Conor's main weapon is boxing, and while Diaz has a ton of weaknesses, when people try to box with him he usually does really well.
Not saying he'll win btw, Conor should be the favorite based off just being so much faster, athletic, with great technique. I'm just trying curious how you guys think Conor will dominate.
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PuertoRican United States. Feb 29 2016 00:05. Posts 13051
On February 28 2016 21:41 Stim_Abuser wrote:
I feel like people are sleeping on Diaz. Conor is going from fighting guys that are like 5'7'' on average with like 6-8 inches of reach on them, to a guy who's 6'' and has the reach advantage.
Yes Conor is the much better fighter, because Nate has big weaknesses in his game. But Conor isn't really that good in the things Nate is weak in, like leg kicks and offensive grappling.
Conors strategy has always been to slowly stalk/pressure guys, kind of like nate, keep them at the end of his punches and kicks, and then counter them when they over extend trying to make up the distance. He can't really do that against Nate, due to the reach advantage. So he's probably going to have to adapt a new strategy
What do you guys think Conors strategy is going to be? Lots of kicks from the outside, and use movement to get in, hit diaz, and jump back out of range?
Conor's main weapon is boxing, and while Diaz has a ton of weaknesses, when people try to box with him he usually does really well.
Not saying he'll win btw, Conor should be the favorite based off just being so much faster, athletic, with great technique. I'm just trying curious how you guys think Conor will dominate.
Conor predicts a 1st round finish, I think late in round 1 if I remember correctly. I think this fight will go to at least the 3rd round.
What I'm worried about is Nate's cardio, since he took the fight on 10 days notice, and will have like 6-7 days of full sparring, assuming that he is doing the normal media obligations and stops full-sparring a day or two before the fight like many top fighters do. If he has cardio for 5 rounds, that's a plus on his side, but I don't think he'll win.
Nate's boxing is good, but overrated. He's dangerous when you stand in front of him so he can hit you, and since he rarely kicks (I say rarely because he recently started adding in soft low kicks instead of no kicks at all), Conor is facing a bigger + slower + boxer with no threat of the take down and has terrible footwork and is only known for having a sick-good chin because his face is a punching bag and has absorbed a lot of punishment over the years (punch stats listed below):
How many strikes Nate Diaz has absorbed in his last 5 fights:
• Michael Johnson (103 strikes) vs. Nate (153 strikes) = decision win for Nate
• Rafael dos Anjos (77 strikes) vs. Nate (13 strikes) = decision loss for Nate
• Gray Maynard (5 strikes) vs. Nate (33 strikes) = TKO win for Nate
• Josh Thomson (36 strikes) vs. Nate (21 strikes) = head-kick TKO loss for Nate
• Benson Henderson (124 strikes) vs. Nate (30 strikes) = decision loss for Nate
None of Nate's last 5 opponents have the power and precision that Conor does, and Nate didn't fight any of those guys on short notice.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Feb 29 2016 00:37. Posts 7499
All those guys used a strategy though to exploit Nates weaknesses. They all kicked the shit out of his legs, and took him down and beat him up. Haven't seen Conor really show the tools to do that to Nate yet.
IIRC Conor doesn't really use a ton of lateral movement, which is good for getting away from pressure guys like Nate. He usually just slowly stalks guys moving in straight lines front or back. Sometimes he uses a little lateral movement, but nothing like Thompson did where he was basically running away from Nate and leg kicking him and head kicking him.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Feb 29 2016 00:55. Posts 7499
I do think for sure Conor will be able to hit him with the left, I just think Diaz will be able to land a bunch of his own punches as well. Will be interesting what happens if the left doesn't destroy Diaz like it has others.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Feb 29 2016 01:05. Posts 7499
I should probably give Conor a lot of credit for being able to adjust really well with things we haven't see him do ( fight a fighter with a reach advantage. ) simply because he is such a cerebral fighter
Knowing Mendes didn't have much of a camp, so Conor attacked the body all night. Pretty slick.
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iakim322 United States. Feb 29 2016 09:59. Posts 1335
I think Nate will be able to take the left for at least a little while. Partially because he won't be charging in like Aldo did. Also partially because not cutting to 155 should be helpful for his chin. Doesn't mean he won't take a pretty bad beating somewhere in there in rounds 2-4 though. Conor really hasn't done much of low leg kicking so far but he's so athletic that I'm sure he'd be fine at it if he decided to start using them now. Pretty good time to start since it always seems to work against Nate
Holm >>>> Tate. Don't really see Tate as having more outs than Ronda at all. Tate is so so tough though so maybe she can extend this and catch Holly with something on the ground somehow. Probably just going to catch a worse beating though
Want to say Villante > Latifi but don't think I want to trust Villante's chin against that kind of power. And Villante has been sucked into his opponent's kinda fight before
Diaz s a boxer, but McGregor s counter striking is probably the best? in the UFC atm, would be interesting to see him fight at that weight though. Inb4 McGregor beats RDA then goes for Lawler
He is coming into this fight on a 11 days notice with no training camp behind him against Mcgregor who is going to be in his best shape ever, not having to worry about cutting any weight.
The Diaz bros will always have problems against fighters with good movement, who will not just stay and bang with them and Conor has great movement. Hard to imagine anything else other than a total beatdown, He will eat a lot of kicks from the outside and when they exchange he will get hurt as well.
I don't think he has the power to trouble Mcgregor, either. Only way I think he can win is somehow scrambling with Conor and grabbing some hail mary sub in the process.
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PuertoRican United States. Mar 01 2016 04:48. Posts 13051
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jvilla777 Australia. Mar 01 2016 07:53. Posts 1348
The recent mcgregor fights he fought people that are shorter ended in a KO, he fought holloway who is taller and went to decision.
Yeah and blah blah with injuries that's why he couldn't score a KO.
I feel the juiciest bet here is the fight going o1.5 rounds.
Just a thought.
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JonnyCosMo United States. Mar 01 2016 09:08. Posts 7292
On February 28 2016 11:29 goose58 wrote:
McGregor is a lock in this fight vs Nate, winning 95%~ of the time
Holly is a lock against Tate too, absolutely. Winning 90-95%~ imo
Both Tate's and Nate's standup is far inferior than their respective opponents. They will get dismantled. Both will be looking for the takedown (Nate's gonna feel more pressure to bang, only reason he got this fight imo). I doubt either will go the distance. These are just softball type fights, easy home run hits for the champs until their big fights come (RDA and Rousey).
Give me +800 Diaz and I'll bet the house.
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On March 01 2016 06:53 jvilla777 wrote:
The recent mcgregor fights he fought people that are shorter ended in a KO, he fought holloway who is taller and went to decision.
Yeah and blah blah with injuries that's why he couldn't score a KO.
I feel the juiciest bet here is the fight going o1.5 rounds.
Just a thought.
its o2.5 rounds for +165
And i personally wouldn't bet on that.
Holloway did last 3 rounds, but against a much smaller conor, with 2 years less experience. I believe saturday's conor will be a lot more dangerous.
I also think Nate's style is more likely to end up in a finish. Holloway is more well rounded and has a great all around defense. Diaz has more Holes, but is more dangerous.
That being said, im not sure about betting conor at -420. I think Diaz's standup is actually pretty good, and fight being at 170 gives him an edge. Sure he's on "short notice", but he clearly looks like he has not stopped training. I definetly wouldn't bet on him tho.
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jvilla777 Australia. Mar 01 2016 20:25. Posts 1348
On March 01 2016 06:53 jvilla777 wrote:
The recent mcgregor fights he fought people that are shorter ended in a KO, he fought holloway who is taller and went to decision.
Yeah and blah blah with injuries that's why he couldn't score a KO.
I feel the juiciest bet here is the fight going o1.5 rounds.
Just a thought.
its o2.5 rounds for +165
And i personally wouldn't bet on that.
Holloway did last 3 rounds, but against a much smaller conor, with 2 years less experience. I believe saturday's conor will be a lot more dangerous.
I also think Nate's style is more likely to end up in a finish. Holloway is more well rounded and has a great all around defense. Diaz has more Holes, but is more dangerous.
That being said, im not sure about betting conor at -420. I think Diaz's standup is actually pretty good, and fight being at 170 gives him an edge. Sure he's on "short notice", but he clearly looks like he has not stopped training. I definetly wouldn't bet on him tho.
You can bet o1.5 rounds for 1.90, the conversion is -111 on bet365.com
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Nate is pretty fucking live here, as Stim said, the Diaz brothers have a huge specific weakness, leg kicks and I havent seen Connor go big on those, maybe he will though, he is an amazing kicker and a smart fighter but if he decides to stand and box with Nate he is going to get hit
Not the full interview. Forget where I heard it while on road. But listening to Miesha, stuff like 'I find it amusing people think Holly just automatically wins the standup. I definitely think...know I can win there.' 'Everybody should be worried about my right hand.' Something to be said about self confidence but to me, seems like she fell in love with her power a bit much because of how it's changed her recent fights. Can't imagine it's good for Tate backers. Holly's not going to sit in the pocket like Jessica Eye did. And loading up power shots on a skilled, mobile fighter like Holly seems like a fast way to get tired from missing so much while receiving a flurry to the face every time you miss. Then her wrestling/clinch advantage will be less of an advantage
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PuertoRican United States. Mar 02 2016 07:12. Posts 13051
Not the full interview. Forget where I heard it while on road. But listening to Miesha, stuff like 'I find it amusing people think Holly just automatically wins the standup. I definitely think...know I can win there.' 'Everybody should be worried about my right hand.' Something to be said about self confidence but to me, seems like she fell in love with her power a bit much because of how it's changed her recent fights. Can't imagine it's good for Tate backers. Holly's not going to sit in the pocket like Jessica Eye did. And loading up power shots on a skilled, mobile fighter like Holly seems like a fast way to get tired from missing so much while receiving a flurry to the face every time you miss. Then her wrestling/clinch advantage will be less of an advantage
Im always surprised with fighters stupidity, or athletes in general... or pretty much anybody. Anyway I think its so common for fighters to lose perspective and forget why they are good, the known "Tyson Syndrome" very evidently seen in fighters like Roy Nelson who was a very good grappler and every fight he becomes a worse fighter more obsessed about his right hand, if Miesha is serious and goes in there trying to knock Holly out her chances of winning are slim
On March 02 2016 04:03 Baalim wrote: Nate is pretty fucking live here, as Stim said, the Diaz brothers have a huge specific weakness, leg kicks and I havent seen Connor go big on those, maybe he will though, he is an amazing kicker and a smart fighter but if he decides to stand and box with Nate he is going to get hit
not sure about that. mcgregor is on a whole new level right now.
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iakim322 United States. Mar 02 2016 17:29. Posts 1335
Not the full interview. Forget where I heard it while on road. But listening to Miesha, stuff like 'I find it amusing people think Holly just automatically wins the standup. I definitely think...know I can win there.' 'Everybody should be worried about my right hand.' Something to be said about self confidence but to me, seems like she fell in love with her power a bit much because of how it's changed her recent fights. Can't imagine it's good for Tate backers. Holly's not going to sit in the pocket like Jessica Eye did. And loading up power shots on a skilled, mobile fighter like Holly seems like a fast way to get tired from missing so much while receiving a flurry to the face every time you miss. Then her wrestling/clinch advantage will be less of an advantage
Im always surprised with fighters stupidity, or athletes in general... or pretty much anybody. Anyway I think its so common for fighters to lose perspective and forget why they are good, the known "Tyson Syndrome" very evidently seen in fighters like Roy Nelson who was a very good grappler and every fight he becomes a worse fighter more obsessed about his right hand, if Miesha is serious and goes in there trying to knock Holly out her chances of winning are slim
Wouldn't completely generalize it like that but yea mostly agree. There are fighters though that do evolve rapidly behind the scenes and bust out surprising new strategies or massive improvements in already learned skills in fights. And only they and their coaches know it until fight time. But usually applies to young, great fighters on the uptick (Jon Jones several years back) or an athlete from another discipline like kickboxing having come over to MMA. Not like a Tate who's been in this game for a very long time. Shoulda been a long time enough time for her to know that you should find other paths to victory besides being stubborn about your 'power' against a boxing champion who's been striking since she was 14. A champion who just completely murked a superior athlete to Miesha in Ronda...who was basically charging in, loading up on power shots.
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iakim322 United States. Mar 02 2016 18:48. Posts 1335
Hope I'm very wrong. Like Holm but Miesha is long overdue for some shine.
2007...trying to make it as a wrestler turned MMA fighter when MMA itself was still relatively in it's infancy stage much less women's MMA. Head kicked brutally before Ronda ever knew what a head kick was back when there was literally 0 money to be had in women's MMA and she just kept chugging right along. Her refusal to tap in the first Ronda fight as Ronda was literally snapping her arm was a little mindblowing for me remembering when I watched it live. And she took that loss like a champ
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Stim_Abuser United States. Mar 02 2016 23:03. Posts 7499
Not the full interview. Forget where I heard it while on road. But listening to Miesha, stuff like 'I find it amusing people think Holly just automatically wins the standup. I definitely think...know I can win there.' 'Everybody should be worried about my right hand.' Something to be said about self confidence but to me, seems like she fell in love with her power a bit much because of how it's changed her recent fights. Can't imagine it's good for Tate backers. Holly's not going to sit in the pocket like Jessica Eye did. And loading up power shots on a skilled, mobile fighter like Holly seems like a fast way to get tired from missing so much while receiving a flurry to the face every time you miss. Then her wrestling/clinch advantage will be less of an advantage
Im always surprised with fighters stupidity, or athletes in general... or pretty much anybody. Anyway I think its so common for fighters to lose perspective and forget why they are good, the known "Tyson Syndrome" very evidently seen in fighters like Roy Nelson who was a very good grappler and every fight he becomes a worse fighter more obsessed about his right hand, if Miesha is serious and goes in there trying to knock Holly out her chances of winning are slim
To be fair Roy is a pretty awful wrestler. Looking at his record, there isn't a single guy he lost to that he would of been able to take down. And I think he realizes that.
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PuertoRican United States. Mar 03 2016 02:54. Posts 13051
Not the full interview. Forget where I heard it while on road. But listening to Miesha, stuff like 'I find it amusing people think Holly just automatically wins the standup. I definitely think...know I can win there.' 'Everybody should be worried about my right hand.' Something to be said about self confidence but to me, seems like she fell in love with her power a bit much because of how it's changed her recent fights. Can't imagine it's good for Tate backers. Holly's not going to sit in the pocket like Jessica Eye did. And loading up power shots on a skilled, mobile fighter like Holly seems like a fast way to get tired from missing so much while receiving a flurry to the face every time you miss. Then her wrestling/clinch advantage will be less of an advantage
Im always surprised with fighters stupidity, or athletes in general... or pretty much anybody. Anyway I think its so common for fighters to lose perspective and forget why they are good, the known "Tyson Syndrome" very evidently seen in fighters like Roy Nelson who was a very good grappler and every fight he becomes a worse fighter more obsessed about his right hand, if Miesha is serious and goes in there trying to knock Holly out her chances of winning are slim
To be fair Roy is a pretty awful wrestler. Looking at his record, there isn't a single guy he lost to that he would of been able to take down. And I think he realizes that.
But the threat of a takedown makes them much more easier to hit, also very often strikers have a very high success rate with takedowns because people are not expecting them and only take the best spots for them with exposed planes etc.
Roy Nelson sucks simply because everyone knows that all you have to do to beat him is avoid the right haymaker.
Not the full interview. Forget where I heard it while on road. But listening to Miesha, stuff like 'I find it amusing people think Holly just automatically wins the standup. I definitely think...know I can win there.' 'Everybody should be worried about my right hand.' Something to be said about self confidence but to me, seems like she fell in love with her power a bit much because of how it's changed her recent fights. Can't imagine it's good for Tate backers. Holly's not going to sit in the pocket like Jessica Eye did. And loading up power shots on a skilled, mobile fighter like Holly seems like a fast way to get tired from missing so much while receiving a flurry to the face every time you miss. Then her wrestling/clinch advantage will be less of an advantage
Im always surprised with fighters stupidity, or athletes in general... or pretty much anybody. Anyway I think its so common for fighters to lose perspective and forget why they are good, the known "Tyson Syndrome" very evidently seen in fighters like Roy Nelson who was a very good grappler and every fight he becomes a worse fighter more obsessed about his right hand, if Miesha is serious and goes in there trying to knock Holly out her chances of winning are slim
Wouldn't completely generalize it like that but yea mostly agree. There are fighters though that do evolve rapidly behind the scenes and bust out surprising new strategies or massive improvements in already learned skills in fights. And only they and their coaches know it until fight time. But usually applies to young, great fighters on the uptick (Jon Jones several years back) or an athlete from another discipline like kickboxing having come over to MMA. Not like a Tate who's been in this game for a very long time. Shoulda been a long time enough time for her to know that you should find other paths to victory besides being stubborn about your 'power' against a boxing champion who's been striking since she was 14. A champion who just completely murked a superior athlete to Miesha in Ronda...who was basically charging in, loading up on power shots.
Well yeah of course its a generalization, there are some brilliant strikers like Cruz but its a small minority
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Stim_Abuser United States. Mar 03 2016 23:11. Posts 7499
Press conference was pretty good, Nate did a lot better in the trash talk this time, and has some pretty hilarious moments.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Mar 03 2016 23:55. Posts 7499
So there was a crazy staredown where Conor punched Diaz hand as hard as he could with a closed fist, with his left hand. Diaz is seen shortly after clearly rubbing and favoring his hand.
I would not be the least bit surprised if he broke Nates hand, that punch was hard as fuck.
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Yeah lol I saw that... it was a totally a punch with intentions to hurt him, pretty shitty but its also pretty shitty to put your fist in somebodys face like that
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Stim_Abuser United States. Mar 04 2016 00:47. Posts 7499
I mean Nate didn't touch him with his fist, he put it about an inch away and Conor moved into it. People putting their fist in the other guys face happens in like 50% of staredowns, though not so intensely lol.
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Big_Rob_isback United States. Mar 04 2016 01:34. Posts 211
Im excited for Holm and Conor fights. Conor hasnt fought anyone in years (if ever... Lol) with a reach advantage on him, and nate looks like a good boxer. From a noob perspective Conor cant win without plenty of spinning back kicks and front body kicks to keep Nate off balance. It should be a lot harder for Conor to win than people think, 2 inches shorter and 2 inches less reach
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PuertoRican United States. Mar 04 2016 01:47. Posts 13051
On March 03 2016 22:55 Stim_Abuser wrote:
So there was a crazy staredown where Conor punched Diaz hand as hard as he could with a closed fist, with his left hand. Diaz is seen shortly after clearly rubbing and favoring his hand.
I would not be the least bit surprised if he broke Nates hand, that punch was hard as fuck.
Of course he's gonna rub his hand after Conor punching it. It's a nature response, akin to stubbing your toe.
Doubt his hand is broken. Nate would fight through it anyway.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Mar 04 2016 03:09. Posts 7499
On March 03 2016 22:55 Stim_Abuser wrote:
So there was a crazy staredown where Conor punched Diaz hand as hard as he could with a closed fist, with his left hand. Diaz is seen shortly after clearly rubbing and favoring his hand.
I would not be the least bit surprised if he broke Nates hand, that punch was hard as fuck.
Of course he's gonna rub his hand after Conor punching it. It's a nature response, akin to stubbing your toe.
Doubt his hand is broken. Nate would fight through it anyway.
Well theres no muscle or anything on the top of your hand, and Conors left hand is deadly as fuck, and it was bare knuckle. So yea...
That said I believe Nate said his hand is alright so we gucci.
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no matter what happens still gonna be best payday for Diaz :D
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jvilla777 Australia. Mar 04 2016 08:27. Posts 1348
Nate looks bigger than I thought during the face off. I have a feeling Nate will be able to withstand the first round because of the weight and he is a lot longer.
I'm gonna go all in on o1.5 rounds.
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jvilla777 Australia. Mar 04 2016 08:41. Posts 1348
On March 04 2016 07:10 Spitfiree wrote:
no matter what happens still gonna be best payday for Diaz :D
how much money does Connor make damn, just look at the cars alone
He probably gets $3 - $4 per pay per view buys, diaz maybe will get $1 - $1.50. I think this is how it works if you're the main event
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PuertoRican United States. Mar 04 2016 09:23. Posts 13051
On March 04 2016 07:10 Spitfiree wrote:
no matter what happens still gonna be best payday for Diaz :D
how much money does Connor make damn, just look at the cars alone
He probably gets $3 - $4 per pay per view buys, diaz maybe will get $1 - $1.50. I think this is how it works if you're the main event
Where did you get those figures from? I'm pretty sure those numbers wrong, especially for someone like Nate.
On a similar note, Mighty Mouse doesn't really get PPV numbers because he has to get a certain amount of people to buy the PPV before he starts earning any profit. Like, if his PPV only sells 250,000 units, he won't get any portion of the PPV buys. There's a certain name for this clause, which has been mentioned many times by Brendan Schaub, Joe Rogan, and Chael Sonnen, respectively.
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jvilla777 Australia. Mar 04 2016 09:32. Posts 1348
On March 04 2016 07:10 Spitfiree wrote:
no matter what happens still gonna be best payday for Diaz :D
how much money does Connor make damn, just look at the cars alone
He probably gets $3 - $4 per pay per view buys, diaz maybe will get $1 - $1.50. I think this is how it works if you're the main event
Where did you get those figures from? I'm pretty sure those numbers wrong, especially for someone like Nate.
On a similar note, Mighty Mouse doesn't really get PPV numbers because he has to get a certain amount of people to buy the PPV before he starts earning any profit. Like, if his PPV only sells 250,000 units, he won't get any portion of the PPV buys. There's a certain name for this clause, which has been mentioned many times by Brendan Schaub, Joe Rogan, and Chael Sonnen, respectively.
Just a guess I thought it probably worked like boxing main events
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PuertoRican United States. Mar 04 2016 09:51. Posts 13051
Conor mentioned Nate's leg again in this video. I'm not sure if he's referring to Nate being susceptible to leg kicks, or if there's some leg injury that Nate has as he's going into this fight. Conor first mentioned Nate's leg in the pre-fight press conference.
On March 03 2016 23:47 Stim_Abuser wrote:
I mean Nate didn't touch him with his fist, he put it about an inch away and Conor moved into it. People putting their fist in the other guys face happens in like 50% of staredowns, though not so intensely lol.
if you put the fist at 1cm at the face you are forcing a reaction, theres a difference between coming close and just putting it in his face I think both did wrong
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Minsk United States. Mar 04 2016 10:59. Posts 1558
Hard to say, its like a 50/50. Nate might win. Or McGregor might win.
Taking both by submission seems pretty good.
PR from what I've spoken with local fighters here, people usually get injuries which wont heal fully and it will be their weakness for their entire career afterwards, usually everyone in the sport knows what it is. I'm guessing this is the current state with Diaz's leg, he s been around for long, no wonder if he has a weak leg and people are aware of it. Don't think that matters though, would only explain his lack of confidence in improving his kicking
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Stim_Abuser United States. Mar 04 2016 15:43. Posts 7499
On March 04 2016 07:10 Spitfiree wrote:
no matter what happens still gonna be best payday for Diaz :D
how much money does Connor make damn, just look at the cars alone
Those cars are rentals. He's only in LA/Vegas for a couple weeks.He's probably made like 4-7 mill in his last two fights. This fight will probably be similar.
Hey Im slinging mad volume and fat stackin benjies I dont got time for spellin n shit - skinny pete
Conor made like 5M for the Aldo fight, and Jose made 1M. (don't remember where i read it)
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Stim_Abuser United States. Mar 04 2016 20:23. Posts 7499
You read it wrong then, cuz theres no chance Jose only made 1 million as the champ on a card that sold over a million ppvs. Jose likely made nearly as much as Conor, in terms of PPV money.
JK
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PuertoRican United States. Mar 04 2016 20:44. Posts 13051
Conor McGregor (168) vs. Nate Diaz (169)
Holly Holm (134.5) vs. Miesha Tate (135)
Ilir Latifi (205) vs. Gian Villante (205)
Corey Anderson (204) vs. Tom Lawlor (204.5)
Amanda Nunes (136) vs. Valentina Shevchenko (134)
Siyar Bahadurzada (170) vs. Brandon Thatch (170)
Erick Silva (170) vs. Nordine Taleb (170)
Marcelo Guimaraes (185.5) vs. Vitor Miranda (185.5)
Darren Elkins (145.5) vs. Chas Skelly (145.5)
Jim Miller (155.5) vs. Diego Sanchez (156)
Jason Saggo (155.5) vs. Justin Salas (156)
Julian Erosa (144.5) vs. Teruto Ishihara (146)
mcgregor deserves to be the most well paid fighter, he absolutley deserves it
he is exciting to watch both inside the octagon and out of it
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TimDawg United States. Mar 05 2016 00:14. Posts 10197
that FS1 interview was an absolute trainwreck lol
online bob is actually a pretty smart person, not at all like the creepy fucker that sits in the sofa telling me he does nasty shit to me when im asleep - pinball
On March 04 2016 19:23 Stim_Abuser wrote:
You read it wrong then, cuz theres no chance Jose only made 1 million as the champ on a card that sold over a million ppvs. Jose likely made nearly as much as Conor, in terms of PPV money.
JK
Jose aldo just told the press:
"I dont know where people get that i made 5 or 10 million, I didnt win that at all, if I had won that I would be smiling from ear to ear,
First of all when a Brazilian fights in the US they take 30%, then over 20% goes to managers plus the Athletic comision, I dont know where they get that we make that much, because if we do, they owe me."
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PuertoRican United States. Mar 05 2016 01:38. Posts 13051
Nate just made Conor flinch @ the weigh-in during the stare down.
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PuertoRican United States. Mar 05 2016 07:39. Posts 13051
via BloodyElbow.com:
"Despite a super-fight with lightweight champion Rafael dos Anjos falling apart, UFC featherweight champion Conor McGregor will make history this weekend after all. He is set to meet Nate Diaz in a highly anticipated welterweight bout at UFC 196 and will become the first ever UFC fighter to make $1,000,000 in a disclosed purse (no win bonus). ESPN's Brett Okamoto first reported the news. The article also notes that McGregor told CNBC that he would make in excess of $10 million just for this fight.
The purses for UFC 196, disclosed by the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC), do not include other earnings including pay-per-view points (which McGregor is receiving), Reebok sponsorship money, post-fight bonuses, "locker room" bonuses, etc.
Nate Diaz is set to make $500,000 to show, with no win bonus. It's definitely a big jump from $16,000 in his loss to Rafael dos Anjos in December 2014.
Also on the card in the evening's co-main event, UFC women's bantamweight champion Holly Holm defends her belt for the first time against Miesha Tate. The Preacher's Daughter's purse is $500,000 to show with no win bonus, and Cupcake's purse is $46,000 to show/$46,000 to win. She received $28,000/$28,000 in her title loss to Ronda Rousey at UFC 168."
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Minsk United States. Mar 05 2016 09:35. Posts 1558
Nate Diaz is set to make $500,000 to show, with no win bonus
Minsk United States. Mar 05 2016 17:04. Posts 1558
I really want to bet on Nate Diaz but I hate betting on idiots. It makes you feel so ridiculous when you lose.
Like Boetsch vs Henderson.
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Minsk United States. Mar 05 2016 20:08. Posts 1558
Thinking Corey Anderson is a lock too. Pretty good odds on him.
Going to follow soberstone on Villante. I think Villante is good, but odn't know anything about Latifi. Which is a sign in itself. Odds too.
I feel like Villante is pretty good just getting over his Urijah Hall stupidity phase and will have a similar career. Hes a little less talented, and at the same time a little less stupid. i think his career trajectory will be very similar, he will cap out lower and lose less in stupid ways.
Those are my only bets. I'm only betting when me and soberstone agree from now on.
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PuertoRican United States. Mar 05 2016 20:43. Posts 13051
On March 05 2016 19:08 Minsk wrote:
Thinking Corey Anderson is a lock too. Pretty good odds on him.
Going to follow soberstone on Villante. I think Villante is good, but odn't know anything about Latifi. Which is a sign in itself. Odds too.
I feel like Villante is pretty good just getting over his Urijah Hall stupidity phase and will have a similar career. Hes a little less talented, and at the same time a little less stupid. i think his career trajectory will be very similar, he will cap out lower and lose less in stupid ways.
Those are my only bets. I'm only betting when me and soberstone agree from now on.
Villante is near the end of his UFC career; he definitely hit his peak in skill.
Uriah Hall is stuck somewhere in the middle of his career; he can get better, but he's mentally weak.
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soberstone United States. Mar 06 2016 00:37. Posts 2662
On March 05 2016 19:08 Minsk wrote:
Thinking Corey Anderson is a lock too. Pretty good odds on him.
Going to follow soberstone on Villante. I think Villante is good, but odn't know anything about Latifi. Which is a sign in itself. Odds too.
I feel like Villante is pretty good just getting over his Urijah Hall stupidity phase and will have a similar career. Hes a little less talented, and at the same time a little less stupid. i think his career trajectory will be very similar, he will cap out lower and lose less in stupid ways.
Those are my only bets. I'm only betting when me and soberstone agree from now on.
Villante is near the end of his UFC career; he definitely hit his peak in skill.
Uriah Hall is stuck somewhere in the middle of his career; he can get better, but he's mentally weak.
It was Anthony Perosh, but his last fight was by the far the most impressive of his career. And it's 205 lbs. I completely disagree with being near the end of his UFC career, he'd have to lose 3 in a row starting with Latifi and then 2 really shitty guys. That said, if Latifi melts him early, I wouldn't be surprised at all. But if it goes past the first round, I expect Villante to be the clearly better fighter.
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iakim322 United States. Mar 06 2016 00:37. Posts 1335
Would agree Villante has prob hit his peak in skill. Definitely not the first part about end of his UFC career. Even if he loses, he's exciting enough and has at least a decent floor to be kept around in a really thin LHW division for awhile.
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soberstone United States. Mar 06 2016 00:47. Posts 2662
BOOM. Ishihara just made me so much money in Draftkings unless I picked terribly in other fights. Decided to really try and do it right this event and have 10 lineups, 7 of which had him in them for $8900.
Taking a small underdog vs a guy with no chin and no defense for a super cheap price seemed obvious. We'll see if a lot of other people did it. Hope not with all the other big names on the card.
On March 05 2016 19:08 Minsk wrote:
Thinking Corey Anderson is a lock too. Pretty good odds on him.
Going to follow soberstone on Villante. I think Villante is good, but odn't know anything about Latifi. Which is a sign in itself. Odds too.
I feel like Villante is pretty good just getting over his Urijah Hall stupidity phase and will have a similar career. Hes a little less talented, and at the same time a little less stupid. i think his career trajectory will be very similar, he will cap out lower and lose less in stupid ways.
Those are my only bets. I'm only betting when me and soberstone agree from now on.
Villante is near the end of his UFC career; he definitely hit his peak in skill.
Uriah Hall is stuck somewhere in the middle of his career; he can get better, but he's mentally weak.
It was Anthony Perosh, but his last fight was by the far the most impressive of his career. And it's 205 lbs. I completely disagree with being near the end of his UFC career, he'd have to lose 3 in a row starting with Latifi and then 2 really shitty guys. That said, if Latifi melts him early, I wouldn't be surprised at all. But if it goes past the first round, I expect Villante to be the clearly better fighter.
The fight going past round 1 won't mean much, imo, as Villante is a known gasser, and he is at a wrestling disadvantage against Latifi.
Villante can win though, but he'll have to use his range. His biggest problem is that he eats too many punches, and then gasses if he goes past 1.5 rounds.
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iakim322 United States. Mar 06 2016 01:07. Posts 1335
I just now saw Thatch's weigh in. Jesus F he is huge. That Benson win really was impressive. And/Or Thatch really needs better fight IQ so he can fight up to his obvious potential. Hopefully he doesn't f up tonight
I first thought they were illegal, but after watching it in slowmo it looks like they landed right next to the ear, which would make them legal, right?
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soberstone United States. Mar 06 2016 02:56. Posts 2662
On March 06 2016 01:54 ERASA wrote:
I first thought they were illegal, but after watching it in slowmo it looks like they landed right next to the ear, which would make them legal, right?
Yah some were definitely behind/below the ear like where your skull ends and meets your neck which is not technically legal but it was way too close to call - that's what you get when your whole gameplan is to be glued to your opponent but you can't actually get him down.
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PuertoRican United States. Mar 06 2016 02:57. Posts 13051
On March 06 2016 01:51 soberstone wrote:
Well all of those elbows by Miranda were straight to the back of the dome.
Edit: Actually looking at replay guess not. Close.
On March 06 2016 01:54 ERASA wrote:
I first thought they were illegal, but after watching it in slowmo it looks like they landed right next to the ear, which would make them legal, right?
Illegal elbows are okay when it's Brazilian vs. Brazilian.
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traxamillion United States. Mar 06 2016 02:59. Posts 10468
Anyone have a stream that will work on cell phone? Tilted I got vetoed on watching the main card cause they don't pay for it at the cardroom
Time to get cut and join bellator to regain his "form"
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iakim322 United States. Mar 06 2016 03:22. Posts 1335
Feels good to have Taleb in some DK lineups. Kinda admirable I think though...that Silva still is willing to go for broke and fights with such an aggro style while knowing in his head that he's off the juice and after he had his soul taken by Matt Brown
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PuertoRican United States. Mar 06 2016 03:28. Posts 13051
Underdogs = 4
Favorites = 2
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soberstone United States. Mar 06 2016 03:28. Posts 2662
On March 06 2016 02:22 iakim322 wrote:
Feels good to have Taleb in some DK lineups. Kinda admirable I think though...that Silva still is willing to go for broke and fights with such an aggro style while knowing in his head that he's off the juice and after he had his soul taken by Matt Brown
He doesn't know how to point fight so there's no real choice, but he's got a lot of heart I give you that- it took 2 to tango in that Matt Brown war.
Still, the lame mid-round fake-glove touch is a step too far in pretty much anyone reasonable's book. Especially when you aren't winning and are trying to 'swag'.
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soberstone United States. Mar 06 2016 03:31. Posts 2662
Let's see if Thatch is another Erick Silva level bust or if he's just had a rough run vs rough competition.
Pretty sure it's the ladder, Siyar should have nothing for him.
Wow how easy did thatch gave away top position there...
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iakim322 United States. Mar 06 2016 03:46. Posts 1335
Yeah that was ridiculous. He's still such a fish out of water on the ground. I don't understand how he can not be improving in grappling at all this entire time
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PuertoRican United States. Mar 06 2016 03:47. Posts 13051
I have Siyar up 2-0. Round 1 was kinda close, but Round 2 was all Siyar.
I expected alot more from thatch... that was disappointing =(
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PuertoRican United States. Mar 06 2016 03:52. Posts 13051
LMAO @ Thatch getting out-wrestled and submitted by Siyar Bahadurzada!!!
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iakim322 United States. Mar 06 2016 03:52. Posts 1335
On March 06 2016 02:31 soberstone wrote:
Let's see if Thatch is another Erick Silva level bust or if he's just had a rough run vs rough competition.
Pretty sure it's the ladder, Siyar should have nothing for him.
I'd actually say a bigger bust. At least some Silva had a cpl half meaningful wins
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soberstone United States. Mar 06 2016 03:55. Posts 2662
On March 06 2016 02:31 soberstone wrote:
Let's see if Thatch is another Erick Silva level bust or if he's just had a rough run vs rough competition.
Pretty sure it's the ladder, Siyar should have nothing for him.
I wasas more than wrong.
And Siyar sucks.
Thatch is actually worse than Silva. Crazy. Worst TDD/cardio I've seen in a while for a guy who knew what he needed to work on. Unbelievably shameful performance. Learning more and more how special McGregor is the more and more I watch prospects turn out to have peaked at the age of 22.
PuertoRican United States. Mar 06 2016 05:16. Posts 13051
On March 06 2016 04:11 ERASA wrote:
30-27 twice? i had it 29-28 Anderson
I thought it'd be a split-decision, but I can see why he got two 30-27s. Lawlor took his foot off the gas in R1 after hurting Anderson, and ended up getting out-struck in that round. Lawlor threw even less in R2, and R3 was a clear loss for Lawlor.
Funny enough, Anderson was +450 after R2.
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soberstone United States. Mar 06 2016 05:18. Posts 2662
Impressive performance if not all that entertaining by Anderson after basically getting KO'd off the bat.
Joe Rogan took till like almost end of second round to realize Lawlor was getting pieced up.
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Minsk United States. Mar 06 2016 05:21. Posts 1558
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PuertoRican United States. Mar 06 2016 05:41. Posts 13051
R1: Latifi (close)
R2: Latifi (clear)
R3: Latifi (clearest round of them all)
Latifi 3-0, imo.
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soberstone United States. Mar 06 2016 05:45. Posts 2662
Well I saw Latifi win a fight without getting a first round KO.
And I still could never take him as the big favorite. He's terrible.
Villante very disappointing performance, Rican called it - the cardio killed him too.
Fights have been shit. Hope the ones that matter are good.
Would've been a perfect betting night for me if it wasn't for thatch :/
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flounder44 United States. Mar 06 2016 06:32. Posts 916
fuck holm, i hate point fighters
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soberstone United States. Mar 06 2016 06:36. Posts 2662
On March 06 2016 05:32 flounder44 wrote:
fuck holm, i hate point fighters
That was terrible and she got exposed to those of us who believed she was better than she was on the ground. But honestly, Meisha basically got 2 takedowns and waited for Holm to make big time mistakes getting up. It's lame that she's the BW champ cuz she's just not good and I wish Holm didn't turn out to be a bust in the scrambles, because Miesha had nothing for her.
But if you are a Tate fan, this is great because that was an epic win to cap an epic run of fluky wins
Holly fucked up, she was 3:1 on rounds, if she took it slow and didnt give her back she could have cruised to a decision win, hard to take that decisions on the spot though.
But yeah I kinda agree fuck point fighting and Holly is simply waaaay too cautious its boring
felt like conor was toying around way too much and then got hit with some hard shots and went downhill from there. still expect him to be the new king on featherweight if he moves down again though.
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goose58 United States. Mar 06 2016 07:12. Posts 871
Can't believe Conor got smashed so easy.. reach really does matter a lot. Volume of strikes seemed in favor of Nate simply because he had more favorable openings with little risk of getting countered
Nate is durable as fuck, Connor was already slowing down before getting hit with that straight right, after that he simply couldn't recover and it was already over
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NMcNasty United States. Mar 06 2016 07:14. Posts 2039
Conor looked sloppy and overconfident but he was still winning most of the fight. Just gassed himself with too many whiffed uppercuts. Great fight and should be a good rematch.
On March 01 2016 23:36 alejandicto wrote:
I just made a crazy parlay: 20 bucks on Miesha Tate + Nate Diaz (+1495)
I just won 300 dollars, I dont even know why I made that parlay LOL
crazy fucking night
Well done, should've taken both by sub obviously :D
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PuertoRican United States. Mar 06 2016 07:19. Posts 13051
On March 06 2016 06:12 goose58 wrote:
Can't believe Conor got smashed so easy.. reach really does matter a lot. Volume of strikes seemed in favor of Nate simply because he had more favorable openings with little risk of getting countered
Conor wasn't used to ever facing a guy who threw so many punches and wouldn't go down after tasting his left hand.
I worry that Conor might have an issue cutting so much weight again to fight at 145. Hopefully the same thing doesn't happen to Conor as what happened to Roy Jones Jr. in boxing.
Saddens me a bit we wont see Conor vs Lawler, but i guess its a good thing, Lawler would probably have humiliated Conor.
And now what does Conor do? It makes no sense to do him vs Lawler now. He obviously won't face other 170s.
He cannot really be facing RDA now.
Cutting to face Frankie would be hard.
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soberstone United States. Mar 06 2016 07:20. Posts 2662
That was seriously one of the best fights I've ever seen.
McGregor with a flawless round a half, and then all of a sudden when Diaz was still not the least bit tired and McGregor threw the kitchen sink at him, it switched on a dime and Diaz went sav Diaz. McGregor broke and panicked/quit to shoot for that sloppy takedown.
Diaz with the submission.
So epic.
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soberstone United States. Mar 06 2016 07:25. Posts 2662
On March 06 2016 06:19 Floofy wrote:
Saddens me a bit we wont see Conor vs Lawler, but i guess its a good thing, Lawler would probably have humiliated Conor.
And now what does Conor do? It makes no sense to do him vs Lawler now. He obviously won't face other 170s.
He cannot really be facing RDA now.
Cutting to face Frankie would be hard.
Maybe but the fight wouldn't have looked anything like that. Lawler's defense is damn good but his chin probably couldn't have handled what McGregor just dished out. Lawler also isn't a sav on the ground. I think it would have been an epic fight.
Diaz has one the most perfect overalsl style to beat McGregor and it showed. It wasn't like Conor didn't show amazing speed, power, and accuracy, and he actually swept Diaz in the first.
Conor was doing so well but yeah seemed he gassed after a round lol. He will realize this is why fighters cherry pick opponents, his mext PPV numbers probably gets a 30% decrease just for losing to a gatekeeper 155 guy.
On March 02 2016 04:03 Baalim wrote:
Nate is pretty fucking live here, as Stim said, the Diaz brothers have a huge specific weakness, leg kicks and I havent seen Connor go big on those, maybe he will though, he is an amazing kicker and a smart fighter but if he decides to stand and box with Nate he is going to get hit
Called it, Connor fought like an imbecile trying to fight at that pace against a granite chinned cardio machine.
He should have punished the legs like everyone else and taken the free win.
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PuertoRican United States. Mar 06 2016 07:28. Posts 13051
I'm so sad that Conor lost... If he won like most people expected, I would've tied with three other people for 4th place. 4th place paid $1500 >.<
I just can't seem to catch a fucking break when it comes to cashing big on UFC pay-per-view events on DraftKings... ...so much fuckery always happens.
Edit: Investment = $82; Profit = $66.98
Edit #2: To be clear, I would've won $1500 from just 1 team, not counting the other teams I had with Conor. FML
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PuertoRican United States. Mar 06 2016 07:34. Posts 13051
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wongfeihung United States. Mar 06 2016 07:40. Posts 48
On March 02 2016 04:03 Baalim wrote:
Nate is pretty fucking live here, as Stim said, the Diaz brothers have a huge specific weakness, leg kicks and I havent seen Connor go big on those, maybe he will though, he is an amazing kicker and a smart fighter but if he decides to stand and box with Nate he is going to get hit
Called it, Connor fought like an imbecile trying to fight at that pace against a granite chinned cardio machine.
He should have punished the legs like everyone else and taken the free win.
He's a karate guy, not a muay thai guy. I don't think I've ever seen him land a leg kick before tonight. Don't think he was gonna change all that. Trying to change his entire style and go from a pressure fighter who uses his reach to make guys over commit and then counter, to an outside leg kicker who used a ton of lateral movement would of probably got him boxed up worse.
leg kicking Nate without getting countered isn't something you can do on the fly with 11 days notice when that's not even in your toolbox.
Hey Im slinging mad volume and fat stackin benjies I dont got time for spellin n shit - skinny pete
Just got back home, WOW, amazing, lost a shit load on main event, but completely content with the results. Guy needed a piece of the humble pie, he is too small for welterweight, he definitely has the skills to beat most of the fighters but he has terrible stand up defense himself. Against anyone that can take a punch like Nate, and get into the later rounds, Connor can't win
On March 02 2016 04:03 Baalim wrote:
Nate is pretty fucking live here, as Stim said, the Diaz brothers have a huge specific weakness, leg kicks and I havent seen Connor go big on those, maybe he will though, he is an amazing kicker and a smart fighter but if he decides to stand and box with Nate he is going to get hit
Called it, Connor fought like an imbecile trying to fight at that pace against a granite chinned cardio machine.
He should have punished the legs like everyone else and taken the free win.
He's a karate guy, not a muay thai guy. I don't think I've ever seen him land a leg kick before tonight. Don't think he was gonna change all that. Trying to change his entire style and go from a pressure fighter who uses his reach to make guys over commit and then counter, to an outside leg kicker who used a ton of lateral movement would of probably got him boxed up worse.
leg kicking Nate without getting countered isn't something you can do on the fly with 11 days notice when that's not even in your toolbox.
I figured he would be able to leg kick since he is very coordinated with his kicks but yeah you are absolutely right
Thats good for the sport. ( McGregor losing )
He ll be tryharding for some time now to regain alpha status
Was contemplating a smallish bet on Diaz, too bad i didn't put it
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K40Cheddar United States. Mar 06 2016 08:19. Posts 2202
where the fuck is the postfight stream
GG
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iakim322 United States. Mar 06 2016 08:29. Posts 1335
Such a good fight and so happy with the result that I forgot for a good 10-15 minutes afterwards that I had lost both my over bets.
Hope people don't shit on Conor. Guy had the leverage to be able to pick basically anyone as his opponent and still make good money but chooses to challenge himself always. MMA needs more Conor's in that sense because heading the other way would lead to the mess that is boxing most of the time these days. Still has an exciting style. And even after tonight, can't see more than a handful of 155 lber's and under who can withstand that early round barrage of his.
Good for Miesha. Long time coming for her. Going to be funny though when Ronda now suddenly appears and armbars Miesha again only for Holm to come back in and head kick Ronda again to land back at square 1.
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jvilla777 Australia. Mar 06 2016 08:45. Posts 1348
Mcgregor probably will defend his featherweight belt for his next fight
longple: ur missing the point! this is an attempt to get away from the bumhuntmentality!
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[GiTM]-Ace United States. Mar 06 2016 09:32. Posts 1585
i wanted to him win and keep fighting diff classes. so maybe more people will try to do it in the future. But now hes just gonna go get bitchslappedby frankie lol
On March 06 2016 07:19 Spitfiree wrote:
Thats good for the sport. ( McGregor losing )
He ll be tryharding for some time now to regain alpha status
Was contemplating a smallish bet on Diaz, too bad i didn't put it
what are you talking about man, this is terrible for MMA, McGregor was getting a looooot of new fans in, he was aiming to break paradigms and be a multi-weight class champ etc, him losing in a meaningless fight is horrible.
Also Tate winning is awful, Ronda vs Holly now is a meaningless fight
On March 06 2016 07:45 jvilla777 wrote:
Mcgregor probably will defend his featherweight belt for his next fight
Im not so sure, he had really difficult cuts in the past and now he has gained weight and just lost, It wouldnt surprise me if he decides to vacate featherweight and take another fight in LW with somebody like Pettis
On March 06 2016 06:19 Floofy wrote:
Saddens me a bit we wont see Conor vs Lawler, but i guess its a good thing, Lawler would probably have humiliated Conor.
Brendan Schaub said that was the worst matchup ever for Lawler.
On March 06 2016 06:19 Floofy wrote:
Saddens me a bit we wont see Conor vs Lawler, but i guess its a good thing, Lawler would probably have humiliated Conor.
Brendan Schaub said that was the worst matchup ever for Lawler.
Not true?
Its a bad matchup for Lawler, he is a durable low-volume counter striker, that being said Lawler is 2 weight classes above and hits hard, so its likely he KOs McGregor cold when he starts to fade out
I support Conor but when he took some shots and looked out of it, something in me wanted him to lose, I guess it's because all the heart that Nate showed and him being the undergod.
On March 06 2016 06:19 Floofy wrote:
Saddens me a bit we wont see Conor vs Lawler, but i guess its a good thing, Lawler would probably have humiliated Conor.
Brendan Schaub said that was the worst matchup ever for Lawler.
Not true?
Its a bad matchup for Lawler, he is a durable low-volume counter striker, that being said Lawler is 2 weight classes above and hits hard, so its likely he KOs McGregor cold when he starts to fade out
WTF are you talking about? Lawler has never been KOd in 12 years and his durability is legendary ofcourse he can take, also the ground was irrelevant, Connor was staggering and he was going to get KOd any second.
Also no Diaz doesnt have the perfect style to beat McGregor... do you think he is retarded enough to hand pick his worst matchup? its actually a very good matchup for McGregor, someone like Khabib would destroy Connor
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flounder44 United States. Mar 06 2016 11:05. Posts 916
agree with baal.. for once. Really the mendes fight was foreshadowing conors holes. He does a lot of unecessary flashy stuff (capoiera bs etc.) and possibly got lucky on some of his tko's, and lacks jits. I think ferguson, khabib, hafael would have manhandled him easily, taken the same shots diaz took but dealt twice the dmg.
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[GiTM]-Ace United States. Mar 06 2016 11:16. Posts 1585
Just saw the match... I'm split on Connor's plan trying to outbox Nate. I mean if he had done it he would've been the king, but I'm not sure it was worth it. A bit disappointed that Diaz didn't KO him though, McGregor's chin is damn strong.
Either way, huge boost for Diaz and McGregor wont really lose much, he ll just go fight RDA or defend his current belt next and forget about a match with Lawler
What a crazy night of fights. Super happy for Nate Diaz.
Live betting had some amazing lines this event. Got Elkins at +400 after 1st round. Taleb + 333 after 1st round. Sylar at +200 after the 2nd round and Holly at +175 at the end of the 2nd. Could of been an amazing night, but went huge on Holly at + odds and did not hedge at the beginning of the 5th. That Tate sub felt like a pretty brutal one outer.
I still think Mcgregor looked spectacular in the first round and a half. He was absolutely smashing Nate Diaz standing up like I have never seen Nate being dominated in boxing. After not being able to finish him with his best shots, He just seemed to gas a little and lose confidence. It is hard to keep your confidence and energy high, when you hit a guy with your best shots and he still stands there and is coming back. I really feel RDA is a lot better match up for Conor and he murders him if they fight. Not really sure he can take the punches Nate took.
On March 02 2016 04:03 Baalim wrote:
Nate is pretty fucking live here, as Stim said, the Diaz brothers have a huge specific weakness, leg kicks and I havent seen Connor go big on those, maybe he will though, he is an amazing kicker and a smart fighter but if he decides to stand and box with Nate he is going to get hit
Called it, Connor fought like an imbecile trying to fight at that pace against a granite chinned cardio machine.
He should have punished the legs like everyone else and taken the free win.
He's a karate guy, not a muay thai guy. I don't think I've ever seen him land a leg kick before tonight. Don't think he was gonna change all that. Trying to change his entire style and go from a pressure fighter who uses his reach to make guys over commit and then counter, to an outside leg kicker who used a ton of lateral movement would of probably got him boxed up worse.
leg kicking Nate without getting countered isn't something you can do on the fly with 11 days notice when that's not even in your toolbox.
Its absurd to say that someone as good as Conor cant use legkicks just because he does not come from a muay thai background.
According to the great knowledge of nutrition of both McGregor's movement coach and Joe Rogan, it's not possible for Diaz to compete successfully at this level as a vegan.
This is pretty funny, skip at around the 1 min mark:
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
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Stim_Abuser United States. Mar 06 2016 20:36. Posts 7499
On March 02 2016 04:03 Baalim wrote:
Nate is pretty fucking live here, as Stim said, the Diaz brothers have a huge specific weakness, leg kicks and I havent seen Connor go big on those, maybe he will though, he is an amazing kicker and a smart fighter but if he decides to stand and box with Nate he is going to get hit
Called it, Connor fought like an imbecile trying to fight at that pace against a granite chinned cardio machine.
He should have punished the legs like everyone else and taken the free win.
He's a karate guy, not a muay thai guy. I don't think I've ever seen him land a leg kick before tonight. Don't think he was gonna change all that. Trying to change his entire style and go from a pressure fighter who uses his reach to make guys over commit and then counter, to an outside leg kicker who used a ton of lateral movement would of probably got him boxed up worse.
leg kicking Nate without getting countered isn't something you can do on the fly with 11 days notice when that's not even in your toolbox.
Its absurd to say that someone as good as Conor cant use legkicks just because he does not come from a muay thai background.
I didn't say that, I said he wouldn't of been able to effectively use them without getting countered. Landing leg kicks against a pressure fighter like Diaz who has good range without getting countered isn't easy. Ask Cerrone, one of the best leg kickers in the division. You can't just magically turn into a RDA/Bendo/Thompson leg kicker in 11 days when it's not even in your toolbox.
To leg kick a guy like Diaz without getting countered all night you need a specific type of lateral movement and set ups that Conor has never showed before. You don't learn that stuff in 11 days.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Mar 06 2016 20:41. Posts 7499
On March 06 2016 07:19 Spitfiree wrote:
Thats good for the sport. ( McGregor losing )
He ll be tryharding for some time now to regain alpha status
Was contemplating a smallish bet on Diaz, too bad i didn't put it
what are you talking about man, this is terrible for MMA, McGregor was getting a looooot of new fans in, he was aiming to break paradigms and be a multi-weight class champ etc, him losing in a meaningless fight is horrible.
Also Tate winning is awful, Ronda vs Holly now is a meaningless fight
Great night for me as a fan, but brutal night for MMA as a whole for sure.
Though there might some silver lining with Meisha winning. Ronda can come back and be champ, and Dana can feed Holly wrestlers. Hollys ground game was shockingly terrible. She is much worse than your average blue belt on the mat. She looked like she'd only trained for a couple months.
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flounder44 United States. Mar 06 2016 21:09. Posts 916
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Note: these UFC 196 payouts don't include fighters' PPV share, sponsorship money and performance bonuses of the event.
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soberstone United States. Mar 06 2016 23:33. Posts 2662
On March 06 2016 09:32 Baalim wrote:
WTF are you talking about? Lawler has never been KOd in 12 years and his durability is legendary ofcourse he can take, also the ground was irrelevant, Connor was staggering and he was going to get KOd any second.
Also no Diaz doesnt have the perfect style to beat McGregor... do you think he is retarded enough to hand pick his worst matchup? its actually a very good matchup for McGregor, someone like Khabib would destroy Connor
I'm stating my opinion. Don't sound so salty.
I don't he's retarded enough to pick his worst match-up on purpose, but he obviously lost and didn't expect that to happen so that argument really holds no water.
I don't literally mean worst matchup anyway, but it's one of them in my mind for sure. Agreed Khabib would probably ragdoll Conor just like he did too RDA and everyone else if he comes back and looks the same. I just don't know very many guys that can deal with Conor's pace so easily and then be ready to just mash the gas pedal after getting bludgenud for 7 minutes. People will laugh but I genuinely doubt RDA would have been able to have weathered a similar first round (although the fight probably looks different) and I would still favor Conor over RDA if they fought tomorrow.
As for Lawler's durability, there is no question that he is historically durable and tough but he gets rocked a lot and Conor is a finishing machine if someone gets hurt. Lawler's button looked it was getting pressed too easily by Condit - like his chin might be fading which makes complete sense considering he's so old in fight years and has had so many wars.
I can't think of a better style matchup for McGregor at 170 out of the top tier guys, than a guy who likes to stand and bang, is not a submission threat, and who's cardio isn't great (he's just hidden that by controlling the pace with insane defensive footwork and fighting in bursts with super high fight IQ and ringmanship). Furthermore, out of everything Condit did, it was his improved movement, high work-rate, and unpredictable striking diversity/angles that gave Lawler problems. Those are all staples of McGregors game.
Finally, whoever said Conor's striking defense is terrible is nuts. It's hard to appreciate how tough it is to stand in the pocket against a guy as accurate and active as Diaz, slip or perry almost everything he throws, all while constantly throwing offense.
I'm not trying to be Captain Save-a-Conor here, I'm just pretty surprised at the conclusions. Nothing I saw in that fight made me think Lawler would destroy Conor any more or less than before.
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traxamillion United States. Mar 07 2016 00:59. Posts 10468
On March 06 2016 06:34 PuertoRican wrote:
Nailed it, especially on the cardio.
Baal too on the leg thing Connor didn't bother to exploit
Im not salty, you are just making absurd statements like Nate can take those punches but Lawler cant, while Lawlers endurance is second to none in the WW division if this fight didnt convince you that Lawler would beat Connor watch it again, see how bigger guys can take punches better and punch harder, Nate ended it with a simple 1-2 combo and took more than any featherweight could... not amplify that even more for Lawler that is considerably bigger and stronger than Nate.
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soberstone United States. Mar 07 2016 03:45. Posts 2662
Debates and conversations about theory are great and I love them, and I hate arguing, just felt like responding to you because you sounded salty and lame. There is nothing worse than trying to get clarity, than instead getting the MMA math end-all-be-all argument, but since you just aren't getting it, I'll play ball.
You have to be salty to use "absurd statement" to describe the opinion that Lawler's chin may not hold up to the same shots and pace. You ever see Nick Diaz KO Lawler? It wasn't power, it was Lawler being over-whelmed, exhausted and running into something he didn't see coming.
Lawler still has a tremendous chin.
And so does McGregor so obviously a "simple 1-2" isn't what ended the fight.
What ended the fight is a series of events where McGregor worked I'd say too hard to stay in Diaz face, throw 10 strikes a minute, and still stay defensively sound - consistently landing shots that Diaz saw coming but missing and coming up short on follow-ups. He started to tire, got less accurate, started eating some shots, ate some really clean straights to the body that I think hurt him. Because his game relies so much on reflex and making you miss by as little as possible so that he can counter perfectly, once he slowed down a step it went from a high-paced 1 sided fight to a brawl, then quickly to Diaz picking him apart, landing clean combinations, and Conor finally being flat footed, stiff, and leaning into the 1-2 you refer to, which was when we knew it was over.
My point is, Robbie could easily lamp Conor with his raw power, but he probably couldn't do what Nate did to win, which was sit in the pocket and use range, cardio, and chin advantages that Lawler simply doesn't have to let Conor wear himself out and then switch those attributes all from defensive to offensive manifestations in a perfect way to polish off and sub Conor - basically turning a little 5 second slow-down from Conor into a 90 second ass-whooping.
That rationale, + the other arguments I laid out about Robbie's trajectory with his own durability, how Condit gave him problems using similar tactics to what Conor is good at, + 1 more key argument which is that while stands in the pocket and trades, he got the better of the mental warfare, he didn't care that was getting lit up, where-as Robbie would get emotional , bite down on his mouthpiece and start swinging for the fences which is never good vs Conor.
So what that Robbie bigger than Nate, he's not longer, isn't half the grappler, he hit's harder but not as often, has better defense but a worse chin, far better defense but far worse cardio. It's just a totally different fight and I think it easily lines up more-so in Conor's favorite style wise.
Oh well, never gonna happen, but atleast I spent worthless time performing this exercise.
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soberstone United States. Mar 07 2016 05:05. Posts 2662
Conor was fat for that weight he didn't have time to train for. extra fat = slow sluggish lazy shots, gassed early, wanted out so went for Nates guard which is the worst since Nate's ground game is top level. he wanted the fight to be over from exhaustion, he started getting hit because he was too tired to keep his hands up. he outboxed nate before he got tired. watch the fight again.
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Minsk United States. Mar 07 2016 10:39. Posts 1558
I don't think Lawler could hold McGregor's punches. It's more about relaxation than toughness, it was relaxation and height (which created awkward angles) that allowed him to hold the punches.
Lawler holds more through toughness, thats completely different, it will get your head knocked off in that spot.
Let's stop with this Lawler non sense. Weight classes are there for a reason. While I agree Mcgregor has better stand up than Robbie and might cause him problems, the fact is The Ruthless one is a legit very big welterweight and will walk in on fight night with probably 20 pounds weight advantage. He will also have reach advantage.
Conor is simply too small to give problems to top WW fighters and I pick him to smash RDA, btw. His fight with Nate really reminded me of Nick vs Paul Daley fight, where if you go hard against Diaz and you are not able to knock him out, you are pretty much fucked. Lets hope with that setback we can get good odds for Mcgregor title defence at featherweight.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Mar 07 2016 20:50. Posts 7499
On March 07 2016 08:56 whamm! wrote:
^^ the smile of 8 million dollars lol
Conor was fat for that weight he didn't have time to train for. extra fat = slow sluggish lazy shots, gassed early, wanted out so went for Nates guard which is the worst since Nate's ground game is top level. he wanted the fight to be over from exhaustion, he started getting hit because he was too tired to keep his hands up. he outboxed nate before he got tired. watch the fight again.
lol what? Conor changed from 155 to 170 on 11 days notice, you're terrible if you think he randomly put on a bunch of fat in those 11 days. He was probably the same weight he would of been at 155, minus having to do a weight cut.
Fighting at 170 changed nothing, other than Diaz not having to cut weight. But on the same token, Diaz was an out of shape mid tier lightweight.
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ignore that, you could just see the weigh in, if thats what you call fat you have some high standards
Connor didn't have to cut weight, meaning he should be in even better shape as 170 lbs seem like his natural state
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Stim_Abuser United States. Mar 07 2016 21:38. Posts 7499
The reason he gassed is because he threw nothing but power shots for like 7 minutes, and because he was fighting a Diaz. They throw tons of peppering shots that disrupt rhythm and shit and makes people get tired. They've done it to just about everybody who doesn't destroy them via leg kicks and wrestling.
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Minsk United States. Mar 07 2016 22:19. Posts 1558
He seemed to get gassed after psyching himself out after he cut Diaz open. It was fucking strange psychologically.
Like he cuts Diaz open into a pulp, so he panics goes nuts, and finishes himself...its like he doesnt understand the difference in hunter vs panic, like he called that mode panic. He cut him open so he paniced...wtf.
It's like he was trying to project, but Diaz doesn't absorb energy or something. And the same panic he was trying to project explodes internally.
It could easily be explained now that the fight has happened, hard to predict though. Connor overhyped himself, he thought he ll have a much bigger edge. Instead Diaz disrupted his rhythm and showed no weakness even after he got cut, seems like Diaz brothers are just used to get hit hard and couldn't give fucks about it. Somehow that got into Connor's head and threw him off his game, that combined with a few clean combos that connected resulted his loss.
It just shows a leak in his mental game, its one thing to project a strong mentality, quite another to own it.
I still dont understand why he didn't kick his right leg though, it seemed to me that Diaz extended it on quite a few places plus put his weight on it all the time, I mean Diaz just looked heavy on it unlike usual light on legs stance for boxers?
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traxamillion United States. Mar 08 2016 00:33. Posts 10468
Diaz leans heavy on that front leg, helps his reach and allows him to pop back quickly. Bad vs leg kicks tho yea. Like opposite of Thai style
On March 07 2016 02:45 soberstone wrote:
Debates and conversations about theory are great and I love them, and I hate arguing, just felt like responding to you because you sounded salty and lame. There is nothing worse than trying to get clarity, than instead getting the MMA math end-all-be-all argument, but since you just aren't getting it, I'll play ball.
You have to be salty to use "absurd statement" to describe the opinion that Lawler's chin may not hold up to the same shots and pace. You ever see Nick Diaz KO Lawler? It wasn't power, it was Lawler being over-whelmed, exhausted and running into something he didn't see coming.
Lawler still has a tremendous chin.
And so does McGregor so obviously a "simple 1-2" isn't what ended the fight.
What ended the fight is a series of events where McGregor worked I'd say too hard to stay in Diaz face, throw 10 strikes a minute, and still stay defensively sound - consistently landing shots that Diaz saw coming but missing and coming up short on follow-ups. He started to tire, got less accurate, started eating some shots, ate some really clean straights to the body that I think hurt him. Because his game relies so much on reflex and making you miss by as little as possible so that he can counter perfectly, once he slowed down a step it went from a high-paced 1 sided fight to a brawl, then quickly to Diaz picking him apart, landing clean combinations, and Conor finally being flat footed, stiff, and leaning into the 1-2 you refer to, which was when we knew it was over.
My point is, Robbie could easily lamp Conor with his raw power, but he probably couldn't do what Nate did to win, which was sit in the pocket and use range, cardio, and chin advantages that Lawler simply doesn't have to let Conor wear himself out and then switch those attributes all from defensive to offensive manifestations in a perfect way to polish off and sub Conor - basically turning a little 5 second slow-down from Conor into a 90 second ass-whooping.
That rationale, + the other arguments I laid out about Robbie's trajectory with his own durability, how Condit gave him problems using similar tactics to what Conor is good at, + 1 more key argument which is that while stands in the pocket and trades, he got the better of the mental warfare, he didn't care that was getting lit up, where-as Robbie would get emotional , bite down on his mouthpiece and start swinging for the fences which is never good vs Conor.
So what that Robbie bigger than Nate, he's not longer, isn't half the grappler, he hit's harder but not as often, has better defense but a worse chin, far better defense but far worse cardio. It's just a totally different fight and I think it easily lines up more-so in Conor's favorite style wise.
Oh well, never gonna happen, but atleast I spent worthless time performing this exercise.
You wrote a very elocuent post that makes absolutely no sense lol.
You talk about staying in the pocket taking punishment and I literally cannot think of anybody else in all MMA in all weightclasses that describes that better than Lawler, Im not saying that Connor wouldnt beat Lawler, what Im saying is that your perception of how Lawler fights are so off it feels as if you had literally never seen one of his fights.
And that KO vs Diaz was 12 years ago... I would use the typical "old v new Lawler" argument but damn.. that fight was even before old Lawler
On March 07 2016 08:56 whamm! wrote:
^^ the smile of 8 million dollars lol
Conor was fat for that weight he didn't have time to train for. extra fat = slow sluggish lazy shots, gassed early, wanted out so went for Nates guard which is the worst since Nate's ground game is top level. he wanted the fight to be over from exhaustion, he started getting hit because he was too tired to keep his hands up. he outboxed nate before he got tired. watch the fight again.
LOL that smile looked like he lost 8 million... hihihi
On March 07 2016 08:56 whamm! wrote:
^^ the smile of 8 million dollars lol
Conor was fat for that weight he didn't have time to train for. extra fat = slow sluggish lazy shots, gassed early, wanted out so went for Nates guard which is the worst since Nate's ground game is top level. he wanted the fight to be over from exhaustion, he started getting hit because he was too tired to keep his hands up. he outboxed nate before he got tired. watch the fight again.
lol what? Conor changed from 155 to 170 on 11 days notice, you're terrible if you think he randomly put on a bunch of fat in those 11 days. He was probably the same weight he would of been at 155, minus having to do a weight cut.
Fighting at 170 changed nothing, other than Diaz not having to cut weight. But on the same token, Diaz was an out of shape mid tier lightweight.
yup... maybe we're overestimating connor's skills? i really thought he was on a whole new level...
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Stim_Abuser United States. Mar 08 2016 18:08. Posts 7499
On March 07 2016 08:56 whamm! wrote:
^^ the smile of 8 million dollars lol
Conor was fat for that weight he didn't have time to train for. extra fat = slow sluggish lazy shots, gassed early, wanted out so went for Nates guard which is the worst since Nate's ground game is top level. he wanted the fight to be over from exhaustion, he started getting hit because he was too tired to keep his hands up. he outboxed nate before he got tired. watch the fight again.
lol what? Conor changed from 155 to 170 on 11 days notice, you're terrible if you think he randomly put on a bunch of fat in those 11 days. He was probably the same weight he would of been at 155, minus having to do a weight cut.
Fighting at 170 changed nothing, other than Diaz not having to cut weight. But on the same token, Diaz was an out of shape mid tier lightweight.
yup... maybe we're overestimating connor's skills? i really thought he was on a whole new level...
Definitely. At the end of the day Conor has two elite wins, a 10 day notice Mendes who was beating him until he gassed horribly, and a 13 second KO over Aldo which doesn't show us much besides Conor has an amazing counter left hand, and Aldo threw a really stupid combination.
He's still a very good fighter, just don't think he's as great as many think/thought.
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Honneslty, i think people are under estimating Diaz.
Conor was no fluke. Its just that Diaz is better than people expected. Diaz is actually a #5 guy at lightweight.
Lets get this straight, probably nobody at lightweight has any chance of beating Diaz in a boxing match.
Every lightweights who can beat Diaz usually either does it by wrestle fucking him or abusing leg kicks.
Having to beat Diaz with pure standup is not easy at all.
Conor thought he would still be able to beat Diaz, but he forgot a few things:
#1 Diaz's standup is actually really high level. Conor's skill edge actually isn't that large. Its definetly there tho.
#2 The fight being at welterweight helps Diaz more than we think. He is a big lightweight who used to be a welterweight. Conor was comming up from featherweight. This is big.
#3 Diaz was able to absord A LOT more damage than Conor.
#4 Diaz's cardio was a lot better, probably due to Conor's big weight gain.
So if Conor tryed to make this a long fight a bit like against Holloway, he would probably have lost due to cardio.
So instead, he decided to try and KO Diaz. But he didn't expect Diaz to easily eat all of his best shots.
I disagree though. Not with the post as a whole, but rather the original statement about Diaz.
It's not so much underestimating Diaz as it is having higher expectations of McGregor. Connor might be an asshole, might not be the GOAT or w/e other labels you could think of, but what he certainly was up till Diaz fight was smart. He was well prepared for each fight and executed a logical plan, which did not happen vs Diaz. He did not exploit his weaknesses, rather tried to beat him in his own game.
And again thats not really terrible cause he tried to push himself to another level, but we won't know if it was worth it until future fights
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TianYuan Korea (South). Mar 11 2016 07:58. Posts 6817
#4 Diaz's cardio was a lot better, probably due to Conor's big weight gain.
What big weight gain? First of all, he was prepping for a 155 fight not a 170 fight.
Second, I know two featherweight pros personally and they both walk around at about 170 and cut from not much lower than that. Conor was a huge, huge featherweight, no way he was less than that while fighting at featherweight.
If anything he should have had better cardio than usual since he didn't have to cut.
conar will be back and whup his arse and cash those cheques at 155. anyone see all this hate coming? he was kicking nate's ass and gassed by missing all those unecessary haymakers, didn't even go with legkicks, switch or oblique kicks. after the first round he was exhausted in a 2 round fight - i also noticed that in the mendes fight but he was lucky mendes gassed first. i dunno if all the touchbutt hurt his short time to make adjustments in training in another completely different type of fighter though, but he needs to be like he was with holloway and be more efficient with his strikes when against a clearly longer guy.
#4 Diaz's cardio was a lot better, probably due to Conor's big weight gain.
What big weight gain? First of all, he was prepping for a 155 fight not a 170 fight.
Second, I know two featherweight pros personally and they both walk around at about 170 and cut from not much lower than that. Conor was a huge, huge featherweight, no way he was less than that while fighting at featherweight.
If anything he should have had better cardio than usual since he didn't have to cut.
Watch UFC 194, and then UFC 196, don't tell me u can't see the difference in weight.
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