Multiple terrorist attacks in Paris 13.11.2015 - Page 4

"This has nothing to do with Islam!"

sure

And meanwhile even in Norway we are taking in 1000's of same kind of people that put the norwegian embassy on fire for some drawings + welfare immigrants from 35-40 other countries.

I dont know why our politicians feel like they can take this risk on behalf of the european people.

By hatred consumed heavily armed loonies vs 9 to five deskjob monkeys that only want a nice car under their ass.

Glgl

people should, much like baal, try to think for themselves about these issues. ask yourself, what is the motivation behind terrorism? if your parents/siblings/children got killed in a drone attack or whatever, how would you feel and what would you do? would you sit around and mope or would you join the people (for example, isis) who are taking action and telling you that they strive for vengeance against the people they say killed your family? of course their response is idiotic because now they only killed even more civilians and the western world will probably bomb the shit out of isis. everybody should just take a moment to try to put yourself in someone else's shoes you will see that you get a better understanding of the whole situation. it's easy to say that "those guys are evil". but that accomplishes nothing and that in fact just worsens the situation.

it is clear in this thread that a lot of people are oblivious to their own government's foreign policy, specifically towards the middle east. and now the governments as I said will bomb the shit out of isis, many civilians will probably die, and though the organisation of isis can and will probably be removed, the problem will still persist. there will still be inequality and people (of the middle-east) will still get buttfucked and terrorists will keep coming. inequality is what terrorism feeds on. you have to fight inequality, not the terrorists.

i would also like to say that i think it is fucked up how much attention these kinds of attacks get when they are on western soil. in kenya back in april 2015, 150ish students were, much like in Paris, brutally murdered (by al-shabaab). did channels broadcast 24/7 about that situation? did people change their profile pictures? did anyone give a fuck? it makes me bitter that some human lives are worth so much more than others. i'm not trying to compare tragedies and say that one was worse or the other, they were both totally fucked up. but how about we actually give a fuck about the hundreds that are dying in poorer regions of the world every fucking day?

lol @ baal using cheap acts of defamation, labeling ppl as racists, no point in discussion with such a person really. how is islam a race? you cannot convert to a race. by your logic anti-communism is racism as well? god

it has been stated 100 times before, theres no base for violent actions in new testament, thou its irrelevant as i dont see any radical christians shooting ppl in the streets. jihad is part of islam, as it have been seen for 1400 years. how about the battle of vienna in 17th century? just b/c their fucked up culture couldnt keep up with westerns technological advantage doesnt mean you can blame recent events on us foreign policy. now they have ez and cheap strategy how to spread fear thanks to westerns concern with "humanity"

not all belief systems are equal, we need public discussion about moral validity of islam. also note islam in itself cant be reformed, quarans gods words mediated by gabriel to muhamad ie unquestinable truth, whereas bible are just stories written by ppl.
i dont want to twist this topic to hitler again, but look what radical minority did to germany back then. thou in reality based on public pools majority of muslim thinks sharia should be above secular law. evn if not, the penalty for apostacy is death, do you think anyone will stand up?

and also lol @ liquiddrones moronism, taking higher moral ground, ie letting innocent ppl be gunned down just not to hurt anyones feelings

i mean its sad when you were born into islam and have to go with it for your whole life, but anyone who beliefs in it in the west is a human scum and pos

If what you took from my three posts was that I think we should let innocent people be gunned down not to hurt anyone's feelings, then that basically makes you illiterate. And there's no point in attempting to discuss something with someone who does not actually understand words.

I didnt even read ur posts as i know you as multicultural pc coward from ur previous posts

Wow this thread, no punches pulled in here huh?

I take it back thou, it was unnecessary and i apologize. Its hard not to get emotional

Ill read ur posts in near future

this is to Gumster mostly:

the 'they are bombing and killing innocent people in Syria, so we are justified' defense is not applicable to the Islamic State. they don't give a s**t about Syrian civilians - they themselves kill everyone who opposes or resists them. the mass immigration we've been witnessing these past months is a testament to this. the motivation behind IS is to create a islamic caliphate. it is a religious motivation. they think it's justifiable to kill non-believers because that's what they want to interpret out of their holy book. if you want to say that these attacks were some kind of a payback, it would be a payback which says 'this is what you get for meddling in our affairs'. they want to conquer land and the west is making it difficult for them. hell, they've never been weaker - they've lost 25% of the territories they once ruled.

also, yes its fucked up but: France is a much more important country to the world than Kenya (Lebanon as well for that matter). it's just a fact, which the media coverage just corroborates. the world cares more about Parisian people than Kenyan people. if you dont want the world to be this way, be the change you want to see in the world.

On November 15 2015 03:55 Baalim wrote: You mentioned millenia of muslims crimes, I simply stated that Christianity has been historically even worse, but as I said for 3rd time, yes today Islam is more barbaric than Christianity.

Sorry I don't want to intrude in the discussion because I think it's useless but it bugs me when people say stuff like this. Please study history before making false claims. There has never been a religion promoting violence and inequality as much as Islam and worse than Islam towards people of different beliefs. And I am not even taking into consideration terrorism because in fact terrorism kills very few people. People have no reason to be so scared of terrorism when they are millions of times more likely to die from car accident, heart attack or cancer. What's scary about Islam is that it started as a cult of warfare and subjugation and it remained pretty much the same through centuries because to them their holy book represents the word of god, while 99% of christians basically laugh their ass off when they read old testament. So it does not apply to christianity and anyway they killed way less people and destroyed way less cultures than Islam. Just please inform yourself ok?

Oh I dont know whats worse, the terrorist attack or all the political correct people stating that "THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM YOU INTOLERENT, RACIST, ANTI-MULTICULTURAL xxx"

Just because they are quoting the quran doesnt mean it has anything to do with it ! They could be quoting any book ! Should we bann all books now ? lol

Today 1500 "refugees" just disappeared from UD's controI here in Norway. I want to send my thanks again to the stupid politicians in Norway that are taking this major risk on behalf of our citizens. Nobody knows how many of these people are supporters of ISIS for example, 1% ? 10% ? 25% ? 50% ? no one can prove which number it is, but it is still a really good idea to take in as many as possible. Especially men, young men that come here and is upset for only getting 3 warm meals per day. Or upset that nobody from the state comes to clean after them, or upset because the internet is slow. Yeah "refugees" my ass !

We like to oust leaders that don't have our interests in mind for an existential threat: Right now its Bashaar Al Assad


How we respond to an attack like this is important:
France responded by bombing Syria 20 times with U.S. Intelligence.

For those that have read AntiFragility and the Black Swan by Taleb can see why ISIS is so successful:

They thrive on Chaos. . The create Chaos, they already know what the response will be, adn they are miles ahead of us on a chess board.

They are small, decentralized, they move all over the Levant. They don't believe in borders. If we attack them in Raqqa, then they move to LIbya. We can't send air attacks all over the middle East. If we bomb LIbya, (btw we ousted Gadaffi who was a nationalist, now Libya is a free for all) ((we outed Saddam who was a Nationalist)) Now Iraq is a free for all ((Now we want to oust Assad who is a nationalist, can we guess what that will turn into?))) they move to Iraq...They are a hydra.... And the more we bomb, the more innocents we kill, the more they are able to recruit.
The solution is to recheck our Foreign Policy, Recheck our allegiance to Israel, and check who we sell our weapons of war to..


This terrorist attack in France was an at attack against the Western way ofe life: They chose the targets carefully (Rock Concert, Soccer Game, Restaraunts) and they are trying to make foreign Muslims choose between the apostate life in the West or their way.


Everyone should ready Confessions of an Economic HItman to get a better idea of our Foreign POlicy.

http://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Economic-Hit-John-Perkins/dp/0452287081

On November 16 2015 13:51 dogmeat wrote: lol @ baal using cheap acts of defamation, labeling ppl as racists, no point in discussion with such a person really. how is islam a race? you cannot convert to a race. by your logic anti-communism is racism as well? god

I am not calling youa racist, I dont know if you are or not, I was saying that opinions are usuallly too polarized (and both wrong) about this issue, the warmongers, racists etc vs liberals that wont acknowledge the threat of Islam etc.

it has been stated 100 times before, theres no base for violent actions in new testament, thou its irrelevant as i dont see any radical christians shooting ppl in the streets. jihad is part of islam, as it have been seen for 1400 years. how about the battle of vienna in 17th century? just b/c their fucked up culture couldnt keep up with westerns technological advantage doesnt mean you can blame recent events on us foreign policy. now they have ez and cheap strategy how to spread fear thanks to westerns concern with "humanity"

You dont want to turn this into a religious debate with me, I guarantee you you will lose, I am far more knowledable than you on the subject and Ive discussed it hundreds of times, so spare yourself the trouble of making a fool out of yourself here.

There is no violent acitons in the new testament? how about Luke 19:27 where jesus said: But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me

Also you dont get to ignore the old testament, those are the words of Yahwe, Jesus is an avatar of him and the same person, remember Christianity is monotheist and god is perfect and doesnt make mistakes, so you dont get to say "oh its the old testament... that doesnt count"

But its not like anybody is saying current Christianity is worse than Islam, pull your head out of your ass, making arguments about 1000 years ago is ridiculous, especially when historically Christianity has been much more detrimental to the world than Islam, but again, it doesnt matter anybody in this fucking thread is aware current Islam its more violent than Christianity.

and also lol @ liquiddrones moronism, taking higher moral ground, ie letting innocent ppl be gunned down just not to hurt anyones feelings

You are also a fool who thinks the US army saves countries from massacre for selfless reasons instead of actually massacring people for selfish ones

On November 16 2015 13:54 dogmeat wrote: i mean its sad when you were born into islam and have to go with it for your whole life, but anyone who beliefs in it in the west is a human scum and pos

Ok after this Im done replying to this dumbass, he clearly isnt prepared to engage in an intelligent discussion

On November 16 2015 16:38 ClouD87 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 15 2015 03:55 Baalim wrote: You mentioned millenia of muslims crimes, I simply stated that Christianity has been historically even worse, but as I said for 3rd time, yes today Islam is more barbaric than Christianity. Sorry I don't want to intrude in the discussion because I think it's useless but it bugs me when people say stuff like this. Please study history before making false claims. There has never been a religion promoting violence and inequality as much as Islam and worse than Islam towards people of different beliefs. And I am not even taking into consideration terrorism because in fact terrorism kills very few people. People have no reason to be so scared of terrorism when they are millions of times more likely to die from car accident, heart attack or cancer. What's scary about Islam is that it started as a cult of warfare and subjugation and it remained pretty much the same through centuries because to them their holy book represents the word of god, while 99% of christians basically laugh their ass off when they read old testament. So it does not apply to christianity and anyway they killed way less people and destroyed way less cultures than Islam. Just please inform yourself ok?

Christianity has been laughing about the Old testament for the last 200 years.. but it has existed for over 2,000 where they took it very seriously, where they committed genocide in the name of god, tortured countless in the inquisitions, Crusaded across half the world turning everything to ashes in their path, obstructed cience for hundreds and hundreds of years, Christianity has been the most detrimental religion to mankind.

People clearly confuse actual christianity with ancient one

Most reasonable discussion i've heard so far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YTd4-WXw2SM

watch out guys, you should see baals manipulations despite his agressive rhetoric

On November 17 2015 04:20 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 13:51 dogmeat wrote: lol @ baal using cheap acts of defamation, labeling ppl as racists, no point in discussion with such a person really. how is islam a race? you cannot convert to a race. by your logic anti-communism is racism as well? god I am not calling youa racist, I dont know if you are or not, I was saying that opinions are usuallly too polarized (and both wrong) about this issue, the warmongers, racists etc vs liberals that wont acknowledge the threat of Islam etc.

On November 15 2015 04:00 Baalim wrote: On one hand you have the Santafairy dogmeats racists etc, that want Arabs wiped from this earth,

you used that word intentionaly to dehonest our opinions

On November 17 2015 04:20 Baalim wrote: You dont want to turn this into a religious debate with me, I guarantee you you will lose, I am far more knowledable than you on the subject and Ive discussed it hundreds of times, so spare yourself the trouble of making a fool out of yourself here. There is no violent acitons in the new testament? how about Luke 19:27 where jesus said: But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me

i m not sure if this is ignorance or st8-up manipulation, given how knowlegable you are, id guess the latter. its not a quote from jesus, its jesus telling the story of a lord and the whole story is a parallel: the lord being god and "slaying enemies" represents gods punishment of all sinners on the judgement day. do you consider the concept of heaven and hell violent per se?

whenever in doubt, check the key characteristic of these 2 prohepts:

jesus: peaceful hippie, traveling around telling stories
muhammad: pedophile, rapist, murderer, warlord.

On November 17 2015 04:20 Baalim wrote: Also you dont get to ignore the old testament, those are the words of Yahwe, Jesus is an avatar of him and the same person, remember Christianity is monotheist and god is perfect and doesnt make mistakes, so you dont get to say "oh its the old testament... that doesnt count"

new test. puts the old one in the context, same as in quaran later verses are above the earlier ones. and old test. isnt actual gods word except for specific quotes wheres quaran is, word from word

On November 17 2015 04:20 Baalim wrote: You are also a fool who thinks the US army saves countries from massacre for selfless reasons instead of actually massacring people for selfish ones

another manipulation, i ve never said that, i consider western foreign policy terrible. that said, you know why democracy doesnt work in the middle east and after removing dictators every country turns into shit? islam. using violence or not, muslims always try to force their fucked up ideals upon others. look at turkey. removing dictators only exhibits th underlaying problem with islam

On November 17 2015 04:22 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 13:54 dogmeat wrote: i mean its sad when you were born into islam and have to go with it for your whole life, but anyone who beliefs in it in the west is a human scum and pos Ok after this Im done replying to this dumbass, he clearly isnt prepared to engage in an intelligent discussion

ppl are free to choose what they believe in and i have the right to judge them based on their choices. fwiw i think the very same of communists, fascists and other violent collectivists

On November 17 2015 11:50 dogmeat wrote: you know why democracy doesnt work in the middle east and after removing dictators every country turns into shit? islam.

I chuckled. If only things were so simple

Well i havent said it the only problem, but this death cult indoctrinating violence and superiority over others contributes heavily to unstaability of any region really

While Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Parsees and Jews, along with several million adherents of an animistic religion, all coexisted in relative harmony, one religion that would not accept compromise stood out from the rest: Islam.
-Gandhi

Also i dont get why christianity gets brought up constantly, its irrelevant. Islam is a problem now and "derp christians back in the day" ismt an excuse (that doesnt mean i consider them equal)