On November 14 2015 13:03 chris wrote:
People were being beheaded, raped, and enslaved, with crops salted, long before the US existed.
For a fun read , look up Saladin and the wars fought in the Muslim world as they built their own empires. This is also where assassins come from.
Are you for real ? :D
Did you really give Saladin as an example ?
Holy fucking shit
Give the guy that OPPOSED the Crusades as an example- you know the same crusades that killed babies and raped women. CHRISTIAN crusades.
And now idiots all around the world want border closure in Europe, so refugees can suffer. Those same refugees that are fleeing from the terror that happened in Paris, except where they live thats something that happens on a daily basis. Hypocrite society. You deserve to be the sheep that you are
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Nov 14 2015 16:52. Posts 6374
On November 14 2015 13:03 chris wrote:
People were being beheaded, raped, and enslaved, with crops salted, long before the US existed.
For a fun read , look up Saladin and the wars fought in the Muslim world as they built their own empires. This is also where assassins come from.
Are you for real ? :D
Did you really give Saladin as an example ?
Holy fucking shit
Give the guy that OPPOSED the Crusades as an example- you know the same crusades that killed babies and raped women. CHRISTIAN crusades.
And now idiots all around the world want border closure in Europe, so refugees can suffer. Those same refugees that are fleeing from the terror that happened in Paris, except where they live thats something that happens on a daily basis. Hypocrite society. You deserve to be the sheep that you are
You mean that they were a good thing or what? Do you know that my country was forced to oppose some of the Crusades too and made them go through a different path cause they were burning villages here although we were allies? Do you think that it wasn't like that all through Europe? Do you think they were better than the muslims at those times? They were burning people. Don't know if thats better than stoning
Dont you understand it already
It's all about political power and geopolitical influence.
How hard is to grasp that
Its been like that 1000 years ago. It's the same now
It doesn't matter how developed we are compared to them. When fear strikes we re back to our savage ways.
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Santafairy Korea (South). Nov 14 2015 21:50. Posts 2227
either you're radical or not? i would like to know if i missed something on this one, because literally the religion has been doing this to infidels for over a millennium, but in this one case everyone would have gotten along great if it weren't for the US
And Christianity has been doing even worse things for also millenia, they werent great before american intervention, but you made it worse and made yourselves a target.
this is always a good point. one time there was a spanish inquisition and now the pope rides around in a fucking golf cart, therefore christianity is just as destructive now as islam. i don't understand the argument entirely but i get the (apolo)gist of it.
did you ever find yourself radicalized against russia because of their foreign policy towards mexico, what do you even care?
Russia doesnt have dozens of military bases spread in latin-america and doesnt wage war against us constantly and on daily basis kills innocents with drones strikes, if they did I would probably hate Russia.
it's my mistake that i used the wrong analogy. what i was trying to convey is that you don't care about a country halfway around the world. but even in the case of the country directly to the north of your homeland, you would never fly a plane into a building over the war on drugs
i mean seriously what foreign policy snafu was the US involved in when september 11th happened? how are you going to spin that one? remember when you woke up one day and al qaeda, who rejects future isis members for being too radical, had killed 3000 people?
Are you serious? do you want me to list american military and CIA interventions in the middle east?
Are you so consumed by pacifism that you would cowardly insist using the most advanced military in the world to try and stop evil is categorically wrong? that there's no fight worth fighting?
what's your next thesis? israeli foreign policy causes antisemitism?
I think palestinians hate Israelis a lot
no shit, what's your excuse for, for example, the hundreds of years of antisemitism before 1945, which is part why we created a jewish state, or all the antisemitism from people who aren't palestinian. it's the jews' own fault?
oh wait it's US foreign policy that made people execute civilians in France, i think i get it, France, the fourth country to get the atomic bomb, the center of NATO, is not responsible for their own foreign policy, they have no say in the matter and just follow the US, so it's the US's fault that it's France's fault that Islamists go there and execute cartoonists, take hostages in coffee shops, and fire automatic rifles into restaurants
Of course not, when did I blame the US for this specific attack?
tell me how you're supposed to kill jihadis besides air and drone strikes because you same liberals would never accept military intervention in syria and iraq
You should focus on not creating more, for everyone you kill you create 10 more with drone strikes killing 90% civilians, it works like an Hydra... stop being idiots cutting heads off, more will grow.
the figure you are citing is not "civilians" but "not the intended targets," i may research this later but if you think critically for one second that would also include when you blow up a house with a target in it and even though there are 9 other people with the target it was a jihad meeting. since you didn't bring up this question in an honest way, although the degree and frequency of collateral damage is a legitimate question, i am not going to go into the fact that collateral damage is inevitable when the military is involved, just like ISIS throwing homosexuals from rooftops is inevitable when you just sit there
that's literally the only reason there aren't soldiers in syria already, obama can't fucking do it before the election. if you want to blame foreign policy then accept that it's the left that holds you back from taking a hard line
Obama has increased considerably the amounts of Drone strikes, way more than Bush, he has been a huge violent warmonger, pretty crazy that you want troops in Syria, what fucking stake do you have there?
what fucking stake do we have there? do you feel no sympathy for your fellow man? do you have any moral fortitude left? have you heard of ISIS? a group of people wants to destroy civilization and you think the best bet is to just ignore them?
this is a civil war that has displaced 4 million people
what the fuck do you suppose is the way to save that country? wait and see what happens, see if it works itself out? wait until it completely destroys itself? wait until the entire population of 17 million people leaves the country and divide them among other countries?
do you think global jihadism is stronger or weaker when there are literally groups carving out territory in its name?
you can't simultaneously say problems in the middle east are the US's fault yet act so arrogantly shocked when someone suggests that it's the US's responsibility to fix it when the lazy puppet states of the region take no initiative
jesus what are you talking about "what fucking stake do we have there," the people being raped, murdered, executed, in what way are there two sides to this? what stake does russia have? what stake would iran have?
the west pumps hundreds of billions of dollars into wahhabi oil, and yet the moment we assassinate bin laden, suddenly we're not allowed to meddle, it's imperialism, intervention never works, ??? if you want to know what doesn't work, it's shrugging your shoulders
people have some wicked idea that if doing nothing has cons, doing x has cons, and doing y has cons, that they're all equal so doing nothing wins. it's like saying if you fold your EV is $-2, if you raise the pot your EV is $-1, and if you call your EV is $-3. well you lose money either way so just fold? it's bullshit
remember the dead kid on the beach? ask yourself in your heart of hearts what war-torn country that kid came from and tell me it's a bad idea to fight to create peace there
nothing's their fault is it, it's everyone else's responsibility except the person that brainwashes some sexually repressed teenager to suicide bomb a bus
Of course its their fault, their religion is barbaric, backwars and from the middle ages, I said that alrady, the US is also barbaric and violent and is only making things worse.
do you think muslim extremists are spending most of their time and energy fighting "the west" or fighting other muslims?
I think they are at war with pretty much anything... very alike the US, just more primitive[/QUOTE]
yes that's it the US is just as bad, everyone's equal, the japanese empire went around raping and killing everything but the US was just as bad for stopping them and only made things worse, now they produce infinite anime and cheap cars, the US never does anything right
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
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LemOn[5thF] Czech Republic. Nov 14 2015 21:51. Posts 15163
Still, surprised you guys see it so black and white at a poker site, yes Muslims are more likely to commit terrorist attacks on average, but it still boils down to each individual person, the religion just increases the probability of extremism within the population.
93% Sure!
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Minsk United States. Nov 14 2015 21:51. Posts 1558
Just standard human shit, I don't know.
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Santafairy Korea (South). Nov 14 2015 21:56. Posts 2227
On November 14 2015 20:51 LemOn[5thF] wrote:
we can rebuild her, we have the technology
On November 14 2015 12:05 spugru wrote:
No way the drone kills are 90% civilians.
indeed, it was something about 90% of casualties weren't the intended target. not necessarily "civilians." it'd normally be an interesting topic because whistleblowing is really important to keep people honest, but it was brought up disingenuously to be used as an excuse never to fight extremism, rather than as a review of the actual methods used
...however, even if that were true as originally stated, the casualties of the attacks on friday were 100% civilians, so by baal logic it's fine
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
Don't waste your time arguing with 'liberals' (cultural marxists). Pro lgbt and pro islamification of Europe = liberal logic.
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NewbSaibot United States. Nov 14 2015 23:23. Posts 4944
Is there any other group of people who would resort to terrorism when they feel slighted? For instance, lets say in the USA rampant police militarization results in numerous civilian casualties for target apprehension. The cops start using drones with hellfire missiles to take out speeding cars, and in the chaos they kill a few civilians each time. Do you see a bunch of Christians, Mormons, or anybody else shooting up a movie theater or school to exact their revenge? I dont think so. Regardless of what atrocities were committed by whatever popular religions existed in the past, those are over and done with. There is only one group of people performing this horse shit today.
bye now
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chris United States. Nov 15 2015 01:08. Posts 5503
I didn't mean Muslim vs Christian - I just meant the lengths different groups went through to fight each other. Ruthless
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chris United States. Nov 15 2015 01:11. Posts 5503
Also every time there is a discussion it goes like:
Radical Islamic Group Bombs _____, _______ killed (Headline)
"Oh wow all muslims are bad!"
"No they aren't, they are a religion of peace"
"No they aren't!"
"Christians are worse!"
Yes, christians commit atrocities, too. They are not the ones taking down planes and seeking out muslims to execute them just for being muslim. Other times, maybe. We cannot live in the past.
Religion is just a tool being used as a means to divide at this point. The matter at hand is there are a group of people using religion as a tool to manipulate a populace into doing horrible deeds.
On November 14 2015 13:03 chris wrote:
People were being beheaded, raped, and enslaved, with crops salted, long before the US existed.
For a fun read , look up Saladin and the wars fought in the Muslim world as they built their own empires. This is also where assassins come from.
Are you for real ? :D
Did you really give Saladin as an example ?
Holy fucking shit
Give the guy that OPPOSED the Crusades as an example- you know the same crusades that killed babies and raped women. CHRISTIAN crusades.
And now idiots all around the world want border closure in Europe, so refugees can suffer. Those same refugees that are fleeing from the terror that happened in Paris, except where they live thats something that happens on a daily basis. Hypocrite society. You deserve to be the sheep that you are
Mad Arab?
Border closure is completely logical. Islam is backwards and dangerous. Europeans want it out of their society (and it's not even that drastic they just don't want a flood of Muslims coming in. Who knows if all of these refugees are even what they say they are. Could be plenty of extremists creeping in under the guise of being displaced). Let Islamic peoples live in Islam controlled territorries and leave them be as they leave everyone else to themselves. If you want to live in the past fine but we decent people have no obligation to allow you to drag down modern society
