Multiple terrorist attacks in Paris 13.11.2015 - Page 5

On November 16 2015 19:26 sniderstyle wrote:They thrive on Chaos. . The create Chaos, they already know what the response will be, adn they are miles ahead of us on a chess board.

Miles ahead of us huh. So what exactly have they accomplished? They are mad because we invade their country. They piss us off so we invade more.. Check mate?

Glenn Beck was on the Howard Stern show yesterday, and I actually found something he said to be rather interesting. He basically described the USA as pursuing 2 agendas that often overlap and contradict each other. Principles and Interests. Baal has discussed our interests, and unfortunately seems to think thats all we're interested in. But then you have our principles, the idea of stopping genocide, pedophilia, and every other absurd Muslim belief held by significant portions of the population over there. While we dont always pursue our principles, i.e. there are plenty of opportunities we have had to "save the world" that we just ignored, you cant argue with the fact that some aspects of what is happening in the middle east need to stop. There a vile cesspool of an area that is nothing more than a cancer. It is not cultural, it is not just "my point of view", it is abhorrent and deserves to be removed.

in regard to US foreign policy, the country has a very long and very consistent streak of rhetorically arguing for its principles while actually pursuing its interests. Wars/military involvement are sold to the population under the more or less truthful goal of helping the population (for the more, there's WW1/2/Korea/Rwanda, for the less there's pretty much every other military involvement I can think of, I guess like Afghanistan can be argued for), but (with the possible exception of Rwanda), there's pretty much never involvement without self interest, and sometimes (Vietnam, Iraq) the rhetoric is filled with deliberate lies and distortion.

Not gonna answer further to Baalim because he clearly is unaware of what Islam did to the world since its birth. There's no point in enumerating only what christianity did in the past when we are making a comparison - also LOL at anyone saying christianity was faulty of the horrendous crusades. The amount of people affected by crusades is nothing compared to the constant islamic wars. There's clearly a religion who brought more destruction to the world but since some of you disregard facts and logic to defend your stance it means you are too emotionally involved to identify reality and have a discussion of reason. You will change idea in the coming years anyway when things will get worse and you will be unable to ignore the truth, no point arguing right now.

On November 17 2015 23:53 Liquid`Drone wrote: in regard to US foreign policy, the country has a very long and very consistent streak of rhetorically arguing for its principles while actually pursuing its interests. Wars/military involvement are sold to the population under the more or less truthful goal of helping the population (for the more, there's WW1/2/Korea/Rwanda, for the less there's pretty much every other military involvement I can think of, I guess like Afghanistan can be argued for), but (with the possible exception of Rwanda), there's pretty much never involvement without self interest, and sometimes (Vietnam, Iraq) the rhetoric is filled with deliberate lies and distortion.

I mean everytime US citizen didn't want to take part into a war USA strategy was just to intentionally kill their own civilians in 3 different circumstances and blame whoever they wanted to invade. It worked pretty well so props to them This also works because they instilled a deep sentment of nationalism into their people, and to be able to do that properly they had to make the vast majority of population dumber and more susceptible to manipulation. USA is pretty awesome they just do stuff right.

On November 17 2015 23:53 Liquid`Drone wrote: in regard to US foreign policy, the country has a very long and very consistent streak of rhetorically arguing for its principles while actually pursuing its interests. Wars/military involvement are sold to the population under the more or less truthful goal of helping the population (for the more, there's WW1/2/Korea/Rwanda, for the less there's pretty much every other military involvement I can think of, I guess like Afghanistan can be argued for), but (with the possible exception of Rwanda), there's pretty much never involvement without self interest, and sometimes (Vietnam, Iraq) the rhetoric is filled with deliberate lies and distortion.

For sure. Dont get me wrong, the USA is no saint, and we're like 1:10 for reputable principled pursuits. Regardless of what the interest is in the middle east these days, anything that disrupts their way of life is a good result. The only problem is the consequences, them coming over here for revenge. I cant honestly say I agree with the price of war in this regard. If I had to choose my girlfriend dying in a terrorist attack or knowing that 1,000,000 children will suffer at the hands of Islam left unobstructed, I'm probably choosing my g/f and just letting the scumbags sort themselves out in the desert longterm. That kind of society is not sustainable, it will eventually die/evolve.

heads up!!

no one will win

Ain't that some shit? Stop being so fucking racist pls LP.

yum yum racismmmmmmmmm

edit: dog - you're making yourself sound like a supreme idiot. American fool. Get your shit together.

God I hate the racism/bigotry around here. Morons. The whole lot.

On November 17 2015 23:24 NewbSaibot wrote: Glenn Beck was on the Howard Stern show yesterday, and I actually found something he said to be rather interesting. He basically described the USA as pursuing 2 agendas that often overlap and contradict each other. Principles and Interests. Baal has discussed our interests, and unfortunately seems to think thats all we're interested in. But then you have our principles, the idea of stopping genocide, pedophilia, and every other absurd Muslim belief held by significant portions of the population over there. While we dont always pursue our principles, i.e. there are plenty of opportunities we have had to "save the world" that we just ignored, you cant argue with the fact that some aspects of what is happening in the middle east need to stop. There a vile cesspool of an area that is nothing more than a cancer. It is not cultural, it is not just "my point of view", it is abhorrent and deserves to be removed.

Most people pursue self interest over principles, if tomorrow you held a vote in the US to go to war, but if they voted YES you give them $10,000 in cash YES would win by a landslide.

Society likes to blame government and politicians when in reality they would behave exactly the same in their shoes, both are part of human nature.

It is gullible to believe the government, military industrial complex etc. will let go opportunities to make huge profits for principles.

Dogmeat I didnt directly called you a racist, I missed a comma but the "etc" its pretty clear, but there is a pretty good chance you are, or worse, your statement about any western Muslim being scum says it all.

Yes Islam is a belief and you can judge people based on a belief, I do that all the time, however your judgement is stupid.



Ok it seems you want to engage me in a religious debate, lets go ahead.

The old testament is the word of god told by the prophets, Yahwe is a genocidal, infanticidal petty monster in the bible, Jesus is an avatar of Yahwe, its a monotheist religion, they share will and identity, what Yawhe says and does its also work of Jesus and the holy ghost.

Also even if you thought of the trinity as some kind of multiple-personality disorder when the 3 of them actually disagree, Yahwe is god creator of everything, omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent and perfect in all ways, he cannot do wrong, therefore Jesus cannot disagree with his actions or word because as we established earlier Yawhe is perfect.

Pretty good video: https://www.facebook.com/MPACUK1Ummah/videos/1478473405754889/

On November 18 2015 09:09 Baalim wrote: Pretty good video: https://www.facebook.com/MPACUK1Ummah/videos/1478473405754889/

Do you really expect anyone who wasn't already in 100% agreement with you to change their minds after watching that video?

I don't care to discuss my opinions on this stuff here, but regardless of whether you agree with what he's saying or not, he doesn't add anything new to the discussion that everyone hasn't heard a million times before. I mean ffs they cut out the other guy's responses, lol. The way the video is edited, it's a guy preaching to people who already agree with him. No matter where you stand, that video is trash.

On November 18 2015 09:09 Baalim wrote: Pretty good video: https://www.facebook.com/MPACUK1Ummah/videos/1478473405754889/

Oh God, he said the attacks were a false flag. Please tell me you dont believe this.

There are plenty of reasons to believe they are false flags - like the found "passport" from a suicide bomber much like they found passports of 9/11 " terrorists " and drills being ran much like NORAD ran drills during 9/11 etc. etc. Of course for you to even permit those evidences, you d have to believe 9/11 was an inside job, which it was as all facts are pointing and imo only idiots or people that are not aware of the facts would think otherwise

On the contrary not even allowing yourself to think that both things are possible is quite bad. Obviously I'm not stating that Paris was a CIA job, however the timing and the circumstances seem shady the least. The main problem with Paris being a setup is that there is no real motive - or at least I can't see one. It's not like the western countries needed another reason to do the things they are doing right now as a response to the attacks, but perhaps we d have to wait and see

I just love it when evil gov't mastermind conspirators who control the world are so easily caught by random fucktards on the internet.

Jet fuel can't melt steel beams.

On November 18 2015 08:51 Baalim wrote: Dogmeat I didnt directly called you a racist, I missed a comma but the "etc" its pretty clear, but there is a pretty good chance you are, or worse, your statement about any western Muslim being scum says it all. Yes Islam is a belief and you can judge people based on a belief, I do that all the time, however your judgement is stupid.

one reads about muhamads actions and ideals and thinks these are worth following, what does it says about him as a person?

On November 18 2015 08:51 Baalim wrote: Ok it seems you want to engage me in a religious debate, lets go ahead. The old testament is the word of god told by the prophets, Yahwe is a genocidal, infanticidal petty monster in the bible, Jesus is an avatar of Yahwe, its a monotheist religion, they share will and identity, what Yawhe says and does its also work of Jesus and the holy ghost. Also even if you thought of the trinity as some kind of multiple-personality disorder when the 3 of them actually disagree, Yahwe is god creator of everything, omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent and perfect in all ways, he cannot do wrong, therefore Jesus cannot disagree with his actions or word because as we established earlier Yawhe is perfect.

you just repeated your previous post, just skipping ur silly quote. do you know there are multiple versions of bible, with multiple verses or even chapters missing? while theres only one quaran, why? b/c quaran is exact gods words mediated by gabrial to muhamad, ei unreformable , whreas bible is just stories written by men

the reason why the old testament is inclued is b/c bible is progressive, christiany is build upon judaism and you cant read the new testament without knowing the old tes facts eg why are jews expecting a messiah, why did he come, why is he jesus, prophecy details, details from his life and relations to other older prophecies, how his sacrific replaces all the previous sacrificies, puts the whole sacrificies system into new context etc. for christians, jesus is the ideal man and the source of morality.

Romans 3:19-28New International Version (NIV) 19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin. Righteousness Through Faith 21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in[a] Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,[b] through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus. 27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

btw islam is like 20% religion, 80% governing system, dunno why christianity or other religions are being discussed here

and obv i think the old tes is terrible

http://www.gp.se/nyheter/goteborg/1.2898653-ungdomsgang-skramde-pa-skola

Mellan 10-15 killar i gymnasieåldern trängde sig in i klassrum på Polhemsgymnasiet i Göteborg och ropade: "Flickor ska ha slöjor".

10-15 muslim "kids" (16-18 year old) walking around in different classrooms @ school in Gøteburg, yelling "Women shall have Hijab!"


One story like this every single day now when they are not busy with terrorist attacks. Its really scary. Honestly im getting really "Islamophobic" or what they say. And I used to be supportive of Palestine until Hamas implemented Sharia law on the Gaza strip.

On November 18 2015 18:21 VanDerMeyde wrote: http://www.gp.se/nyheter/goteborg/1.2898653-ungdomsgang-skramde-pa-skola Mellan 10-15 killar i gymnasieåldern trängde sig in i klassrum på Polhemsgymnasiet i Göteborg och ropade: "Flickor ska ha slöjor". 10-15 muslim "kids" (16-18 year old) walking around in different classrooms @ school in Gøteburg, yelling "Women shall have Hijab!" One story like this every single day now when they are not busy with terrorist attacks. Its really scary. Honestly im getting really "Islamophobic" or what they say. And I used to be supportive of Palestine until Hamas implemented Sharia law on the Gaza strip.

This is where that whole "how different are they really?" comes in to play. For instance take a group like the westboro baptist church. While non-violent, they would probably kill you if they thought they could get away with it. They are a good example of an extremist religion. However they represent a really really really small percentage of the population. A lot of people say the same thing about Muslims, that these fanatical offshoots represent less than 1% of true Muslims, but does it really? There have been numerous studies shown that seem to depict a large portion of the Muslim population actually do agree with ISIS ideology, and that they are basically just too pussy to do anything about it. Thats where Islamophobia comes in. I dont think we're quite that confident that the fanatical side of Islam is really all that isolated. While your sweet Muslim neighbor might not behead you any time soon, they secretly want to.

I've always considered LP to have a much higher average intelligence for a 'public forum'. Despite Newb's handgun in his glove compartment to help protect him (hah, had to dude).

That said, it boggles my mind the closed-mindedness that some of the members have on this forum. Say what you will about dog, I've always liked reading his posts (and will continue to), but this is one instance where he's not thinking rationally.

Pretty certain we can all agree that religion is detrimental to society. I remember one (who I consider anyway) smart dude saying the exact opposite recently, but realistically, it's not the religion that's the problem. It's the people who manipulate it as they see fit to push their own agenda. People claiming that Christianity is 'better now' apparently forget that Africa exists.

A tiny number of people doing crazy shit doesn't justify hating an entire sect of people. To think that way is stupid and immature. If you hate the idea of allowing refugees and migrants in, sure, hate that, but don't blame it on a faith.

I'm pretty sure everyone has stereotypes, I know I certainly do. But c'mon people, wtf. You're not 'thinking outside the box' by jumping in on some senseless shit-slinging parade. If anything, you're dumbing yourself down for the the masses.

Then again, I'm just as much of a fool thinking that writing a post like this will actually make people think critically. F it, fingers needed some exercise anyway.

A small car bomb exploded near where I live outside a mall. Initial reports? Snackbars, Also the guy who got caught bombing my city's airport 12 years ago killing over 20 people recently got caught, another snackbar - not even ISIS, just another pos group. Did the moderates try catching those guys or cooperate without taking in bribes to rat on their brethren? No. Until you actually deal with the shit they've been done you will never understand, which is why I never really disliked Israel since I can only imagine how fucked up it is to live just beside those people who openly declare that they want your country annihilated if they could. The moderates are free to roam around in malls here looking like ninjas no problem, catholics though are required to remove hats sunglasses, helmets lol, they can practice their religion but once shit happens they really don't do shit or help in any way possible - mostly just lip service "condemning" etc etc. Imagine if some fundamental Catholics kept doing shit in the middle east cities, how long do you think they start hacking christians to death in their own homes?

Lastly, a kidnapping of 4 white guys last month in a yacht club still not resolved (another snackbar group), a separate kidnapping incident earlier this year happened also and the poor malaysian who was part of that group of hostages just got beheaded for not being able to pay ransom. Ignorance of this issue is more dangerous, more people should speak up and call it what it is without being called a bigot or a traitor(if you are a muslim). So sick of reading posts here from people with zero experience about the issue and say people like me are the ignorant ones lol