UFC 148: Silva vs. Sonnen II

Date: Saturday, July 7th
Preliminary Card (Facebook): 18:30 LP.net / 4:30pm PST / 7:30pm EST Facebook stream
Preliminary Card (FX): 19:00 LP.net / 5pm PST / 8pm EST
Main Card Time (PPV): 21:00 LP.net / 7pm PST / 10pm EST
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Main Card

Anderson Silva (31-4) vs. Chael Sonnen (27-11-1) (Middleweight)
Forrest Griffin (18-7) vs. Tito Ortiz (16-10-1) (Light Heavyweight)
Cung Le (7-2) vs. Patrick Cote (17-7) (Middleweight)
Dong Hyun Kim (15-1-1) vs. Demian Maia (15-4) (Welterweight)
Chad Mendes (11-1) vs. Cody McKenzie (13-2) (Featherweight)
Ivan Menjivar (24-8) vs. Mike Easton (12-1) (Bantamweight)

Preliminary Card (FX)

Gleison Tibau (25-7) vs. Khabib Nurmagomedov (17-0) (Lightweight)
Melvin Guillard (29-10-2) vs. Fabricio Camoes (14-6-1) (Lightweight)
Constantinos Philippou (10-2) vs. Riki Fukuda (18-5) (Middleweight)
John Alessio (34-15) vs. Shane Roller (10-6) (Lightweight)

Preliminary Card (Facebook)

Rafaello Oliveira (14-5) vs. Yoislandy Izquierdo (6-1) (Lightweight)

Other

- The UFC Middleweight Championship between Anderson Silva and Chael Sonnen was originally intended to take place at UFC 147 at Havelange Stadium in Rio de Janiero, Brazil. Due to a scheduling conflict with the United Nations Conference on Sustainable Development, the bout was subsequently moved to headline UFC 148 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada.
- In the co-main event at UFC 148, Urijah Faber was expected to fight for the UFC Bantamweight Championship against champion Dominick Cruz following their stint as coaches on The Ultimate Fighter: Live, but a torn ACL forced Cruz off the card. This would have been the third match between the two, with both Cruz and Faber holding a win against each other. Faber defended his Featherweight Championship against Cruz at WEC 26, and Cruz defended his bantamweight championship against Faber at UFC 132.
- Faber was expected to face replacement Renan Barao for the Interim Bantamweight Championship, but that fight has been moved to the main event of UFC 149 in Calgary. Barao was originally scheduled to fight at this event on the preliminary card against Ivan Menjivar. Menjivar's new opponent is Mike Easton.
- Rich Franklin was expected to return to middleweight with a bout against Cung Le at the event. However, due to an injury to UFC 147 headliner Vitor Belfort, Franklin was pulled from the bout with Le and replaced Belfort and fought a rematch against Wanderlei Silva in a 190 lb catchweight bout on June 23, 2012 at UFC 147. Le is now expected to face veteran Patrick Cote.

cung le lmao. never again

how about a fading the asians 2-team parlay

maia/cote, its gotta be +ev

Sonnen > Silva (Silva said he's going to break Sonnen's teeth and retire him. Silva is the better fighter, but, I'm remembering how easy he was for Sonnen to take take down and hold down.)

Ortiz > Griffin (Ortiz still brings it for the first round, unless he gets hit with a good shot, then he crumbles. Griffin only fought 3 times in the past 2.5 years, split-decision win vs. Ortiz/decision win vs. Franklin/TKO loss to Shogun. He looked terrible vs. Shogun.)

Cote > Le (I'm only picking Cote cuz he's hungry for the win and Le is just not UFC material. He's a one kick pony)

Kim > Maia (Stun Gun got finished by Condit because Condit rushed him. Maia will try to do the same, since that's how is striking is now.)

McKenzie > Mendes (I think McKenzie will have a plan for Mendes, as he trains at Cesar Gracie's now, so his boxing got better.)

Menjivar > Easton (Easton is decent, but his pre-fight hype is better than his in-the-ring fight skill. Menjivar can beat most people at 135)

Nurmagomedov > Tibau
Guillard > Camoes (Guillard needs this win bad as he's on a 2 loss streak, Camoes is a 3rd degree black belt in BJJ)
Philippou > Fukuda (Philippou hits hard and has a good chin, Fukuda is Japanese)
Alessio > Roller (Do or die for both fighters)
Izquierdo > Oliveira (Do or die for both fighters)

I want to see cung le throw a bajillion kicks, should be great fun

One of the best lessons I ever learned about betting MMA was in the marloes coenen vs miesha tate fight. If i recall the odds were relatively even and I was forced to pick a winner. I chose coenen. She was a great striker who had struggled vs some wrestlers but managed to pull off submission victories. However vs tate she was dominated on the ground and ended up getting submitted. I realized that she was facing a better wrestler than she had before and praying she pulled off a miracle sub was lunacy. Horrible bet and lesson learned to never rely on a miracle, but instead to face reality.

that being said, im all over anderson in this fight. People have a hazy memory of what actually happened in the first fight. Let me key you in on a few key stats and paint a picture of how the fight was going (completely ignoring the submission). Most people believe chael just took anderson down at will repeatedly and owned him every round. The latter half is true but the former is not.

Chael was 3 out of 7 on his takedown attempts vs anderson. At least one of those takedowns was off of a retarded kick anderson threw as well. Chael was in top position for all 5 rounds. One of them was off a knockdown, and one anderson actually had a takedown on chael and then got swept. The key was that once anderson was on his back he stayed there the whole round and never got up. thats not a great sign for anderson being on his back, but when it comes to preventing takedowns, anderson is very underrated. he has much better takedown defense than a guy like carlos condit.

here are some key things that make me think anderson will win this fight:
-anderson adapts and figures opponents out better than anyone else in MMA and having 5 rounds with chael helps him more than his opponent.
-anderson improved each round of the first fight
-chael struggled with bisping. people say bisping has better wrestling than anderson. thats not true. what bisping has is better ability to get up off his back. but i attribute a lot of andersons struggles on the ground to his "injury". i think getting up once he was down was hard because of the injury and he didnt want to overexert. i dont think being taken down was due to the injury at all, just the fact that he stayed there
-chael said bisping hurt him really really bad. not a good sign in a 25 minute fight with anderson. he gets hurt bad in a 25 minute fight its not a great sign for him at all

if the anderson that fought okami/belfort shows up and the chael that fought bisping shows up i am setting this line anderson -375. however that might not be the case. chael maybe had a slightly off night vs bisping and anderson has had injury struggles since then. he hasnt fought in a year and may have aged considerably in that time. you just never know. that is the biggest wildcard in this fight. is anderson the same as he was a year ago? i cant answer that question without seeing his training camp and sadly i havent seen it in depth. there are also reports of another injury going around. hes denied it but when theres smoke theres fire.

all in all theres a bit too much randomness for me to lay decent money on either side. i will probably put a small bet on anderson close to the fight when the odds drop significantly as I expect LOTS of money to come in on chael. will probably hit anderson around -190 or so which is about where i expect the line to end. but it wont be a large bet. wont be at all surprised to see chael win the same way he was winning last time, but if these fighters are the same as each of their last fights, chael is in for a rough night i think

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/8/9/1614522/anderson-silvas-fight-iq

great article on anderson and the adjustments he was making in the first chael fight. i do buy the injury slowed him a bit and think the adjustments he makes this fight are better

Sonnen didn't look too great in the Bisping fight, which is 25% the fighter Silva is. Should be an easy Silva bet with all the retarded Sonnen fanboys willing to bet against.

gonna be so epic

Cote > Le. Because Cung sucks a lot.
Kim > Maia. Maia's moved down in weight but Kim is a pretty huge 170 lb'er anyways and I would think still holds the strength advantage.
Griffin > Ortiz. Easy to see Griffin just smothering Ortiz after maybe a decent first half of a round then Ortiz getting tired.

I agree with the notion that people are buying too much into how good Chael looked in the first fight. And I really dislike Silva quite a bit. I think Silva is going to stop a ton more takedowns than people think if it even gets that far. Although I really couldn't figure out what to make of how Chael was actually continually landing some pretty nice strikes in the beginning of the rounds before it got to the ground. Easy answer is that Silva's style always has him with his hands down but he always seems to get away with it vs better strikers than Chael. So many ways for Silva to win though. Wouldn't be at all surprised by a monster knee to the face ko during a Sonnen takedown attempt.

The problem with simply looking at stats about Chaels takedown attempts on Anderson is this. Chael is one of the most relentless wrestlers in MMA. So even if Anderson stuffs most of chaels take downs, Chael will keep coming full steam ahead until he gets it. He's not the kind of fighter who gets stuffed, then strikes for 1-2 minutes.

Also Anderson has never really been a get back to his feet fighter. Every other Silva fight I can remember he never tried to get back to his feet. Once down he either ended the round on his back or got a submission. So injury or not, once down I expect Sonnen will keep him there.

I think Chael saying Bisping hurt him was just Chael trying to talk up bisping and give him credit. Chael seems to do those kind of things. He's pretty gracious in victory and talks up his opponents he beat a lot. Chael has a granite chin. Doesn't mean Silva can't KO him, Silva can KO anyone. Just means it's going to be really hard to do.

All that said I agree Silva is an incredible fighter and is great at making adjustments. He's incredibly strong willed and crafty, so not getting finished by him in 5 rounds when he's trying to finish is really, really hard to do.

I think it's really close, with Silva deservedly being a slight favorite.

Rooting for Chael though. Funniest guy in sports.

http://hosteddb.fightmetric.com/fights/index/2892

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I think either Sonnen had a bad day vs. Bisping, maybe Bisping is that good, or they both had fixed that fight. Chael looked bad vs. Bisping, which was weird since he looked okay vs. Silva in their first fight and his fight vs. Stann was just a mismatch.

I don't know who Chael's striking coach is, but he needs to fire him and go train in Holland or something after this fight. He has the worst striking stance and technique in the UFC, now that Mayhem Miller is out.

Anyway, I'm rooting for Chael. If Silva really is as mad as he says he is, with the whole breaking of Chael's teeth and such, he will get taken down when he tries to go hard on Chael instead of fighting smart.

I see this going to the ground with Chael on top, unless there's some miracle one hitter that stuns Chael, which Silva is known for.

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SONNNNNNNNENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

what are the chances of Anderson actually breaking chael's teeth arms or legs ? Fights are usually stopped before such things happen arent they ? Id love to see that happen tho

On June 27 2012 23:18 Zadan wrote: GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SONNNNNNNNENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

Warrr Sonnen!

more like anderson looked shit vs sonnen in their first fight. silva also wanted a submission finish which was why he seemed too easy to take down. remember sonnen kept on bashing his jiu jitsu black belt from noguiera camp(which is why silva wore a gi in his ring entrance instead of his usual shirtless wear). this is going to be a good fight but a funny one sided Silva performance.

Silva has fought a ton of high level wrestlers in the past and made them look really silly and people seem to forget this.

On June 28 2012 00:41 whamm! wrote: Silva has fought a ton of high level wrestlers in the past and made them look really silly and people seem to forget this.

Aside from Dan Henderson, who rarely* uses his wrestling since he can usually keep it standing, what wrestler, let alone what high level wrestler, has Anderson Silva beat since he's been in the UFC?

I say "in the UFC", because he's been in the UFC since 2006 and has only fought 2 wrestlers in Dan Henderson and Chael Sonnen. I also like to keep things recent within the last 3 years of a fighters career, since trying to say "this guy beat this guy 6 years ago means he can do this and that to somebody else" is irrelevant.

Okami
Irvin
Henderson
Marquardt
Jeremy Horn

who do you think qualifies as high level wrestlers? Only Chael Sonnen? Silva just clowned around with these guys. You base your criteria the last time they fought but Silva was sick and it was probably his worst performance in a fight (stylistically), Sonnen did not force him to fight bad as I've explained in my previous post why he wasn't really up to par with his TD.

Simply put Silva put out his worst performance and still came out on top with a finish no less. I'm sure Silva wants some questions erased. Im sorry but that Bisping fight was really a bad decision and Sonnen looked like Mark Coleman there.

in one side you have one guy with obvious strategies and game plan, his only weapon is the takedown.

and in the other side a complete fighter who is practicing specifically for that guy...

I don't see Anderson losing.

Double fron kick to the face one time.

Can't wait to see all the Sonnen fanboys get disappointed when Silva dances around him the whole fight and knocks him out with one punch/kick.

On June 28 2012 01:24 whamm! wrote: Marquardt

What makes Marquardt a wrestler? He's a BJJ practitioner.

Whamm! trollin', or high on bath salts?

Fight probably will be closer this time since Silva is probably not going to take chances by being a cocky douche in this fight like he usually does. I'm rooting for Chael since he has the same fearlessness as the Diaz brothers, Fedor, etc. He always keeps the pressure on, moving forward and not afraid to get hit. It's too bad that if Chael wins, the UFC will probably give Silva a rematch just to make it a trilogy and the fact that no one else really poses a significant threat to Silva in the MW division atm.

On June 28 2012 01:24 whamm! wrote: Okami Irvin Henderson Marquardt Jeremy Horn who do you think qualifies as high level wrestlers? Only Chael Sonnen? Silva just clowned around with these guys. You base your criteria the last time they fought but Silva was sick and it was probably his worst performance in a fight (stylistically), Sonnen did not force him to fight bad as I've explained in my previous post why he wasn't really up to par with his TD. Simply put Silva put out his worst performance and still came out on top with a finish no less. I'm sure Silva wants some questions erased. Im sorry but that Bisping fight was really a bad decision and Sonnen looked like Mark Coleman there.

This is dumb, really dumb.

I don't know anyone who in there right mind would vote against Silva... Take all his ego aside, I'd still rank him as the best pound for pound fighter beside GSP... This guy talks a lot of smack, but I doubt he'll deliver.

On June 28 2012 12:44 Nazgul wrote: Show nested quote + On June 28 2012 01:24 whamm! wrote: Okami Irvin Henderson Marquardt Jeremy Horn who do you think qualifies as high level wrestlers? Only Chael Sonnen? Silva just clowned around with these guys. You base your criteria the last time they fought but Silva was sick and it was probably his worst performance in a fight (stylistically), Sonnen did not force him to fight bad as I've explained in my previous post why he wasn't really up to par with his TD. Simply put Silva put out his worst performance and still came out on top with a finish no less. I'm sure Silva wants some questions erased. Im sorry but that Bisping fight was really a bad decision and Sonnen looked like Mark Coleman there. This is dumb, really dumb.

^

Henderson is a former Olympic wrestler fyi. Multiple Olympics in fact.

On June 28 2012 17:52 Nemesis3 wrote: I don't know anyone who in there right mind would vote against Silva... Take all his ego aside, I'd still rank him as the best pound for pound fighter beside GSP... This guy talks a lot of smack, but I doubt he'll deliver.

What's besides GSP mean. Silva was #1 ahead of GSP even before GSP got injured. I think Jones and Aldo have very real arguments behind them to be put over GSP depending on GSP's comeback performance

Aldo hasn't beaten anyone yet the other 3 guys have beaten (destroyed) some very top tier competetion. A really cool fight would be something like Aldo vs Edgar, that would earn him a lot of respect

Yeah probably. But it's not like he's faced useless fighters. And he's mostly demolished them too. His division just isn't as deep as the 170-205 I think. I mean...can you name anyone at 145 you'd like to see him face that has a credible threat to him? I don't think I can. I'd like to see him vs Edgar too once Edgar realizes Ben Henderson is just too big for him.

Silva will win kneeing Sonnen in the face head on while Sonnen attempting to take Silva down.

He's been training/practicing this move with Steven Seagull.

On June 28 2012 01:16 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On June 28 2012 00:41 whamm! wrote: Silva has fought a ton of high level wrestlers in the past and made them look really silly and people seem to forget this. Aside from Dan Henderson, who rarely* uses his wrestling since he can usually keep it standing, what wrestler, let alone what high level wrestler, has Anderson Silva beat since he's been in the UFC? I say "in the UFC", because he's been in the UFC since 2006 and has only fought 2 wrestlers in Dan Henderson and Chael Sonnen. I also like to keep things recent within the last 3 years of a fighters career, since trying to say "this guy beat this guy 6 years ago means he can do this and that to somebody else" is irrelevant.

Hogan GOAT.

what the fuck is his right bicep doing in that pic...

we'll see come fight night. hard to argue over opinions. why do i even bother lol

Didn't it occur to everyone Silva was playing mind games in the first fight with Sonnen. Silva clearly knew what he was doing in that fight. He played a huge gamble of a match and it paid off.

Silva was making Sonnen think he couldn't lose then made his move when the opportunity came. It came in the last round at the last minute and was a huge huge gamble and it worked. Brilliant job by Silva.

I wonder what he'll think of next this time.

Sonnen talks a lot of shit, some were entertaining and I both loved and hated him for it. But under all that talk and 'confidence' is a fear that he'll get owned again like the first fight. Pretty sure Sonnen knows he got owned and he got owned big. From the first round until the submission. He was playing Silva's game and didnt realize it until it was all over.

That is why he's so goddamned pissed.

But I dont think Silva can take on Sonnen pound for pound. Sonnen is the better athlete. But one edge Silva has over Sonnen is...

Also something to factor in with the bisping fight.

Leading up to the fight there was a lot of talk about Sonnen having a really tough weight cut. If you look at this photo of his sunken cheeks they were probably true. Looks very drained.



It'll be interesting to see how he looks day of the weigh ins.

Sonnen just sucked in that fight. Under par preperation maybe against someone considered inferior?

If so, we'll see Sonnen at 100% fighting form against Silva. He cant blow this. This is his chance.

I gotta say, I am gonna feel sorry for Sonnen after this fight. Silva is gonna be out there to kill him.

He's gonna use deadly blows/elbows to the temples of the head and bone breaking technics on his arms and legs. He is gonna break his spine by kneeing him in the back or some illegal move.

Cant wait.

Oh and Sonnen takes steroids btw. Just so you guys know.

But he didn't take them vs Bisping cos he didnt think he'll need them. But he's taking a shitton right now for this weekend's fight.

On June 27 2012 16:07 PuertoRican wrote: Sonnen > Silva (Silva said he's going to break Sonnen's teeth and retire him. Silva is the better fighter, but, I'm remembering how easy he was for Sonnen to take take down and hold down.) Ortiz > Griffin (Ortiz still brings it for the first round, unless he gets hit with a good shot, then he crumbles. Griffin only fought 3 times in the past 2.5 years, split-decision win vs. Ortiz/decision win vs. Franklin/TKO loss to Shogun. He looked terrible vs. Shogun.) Cote > Le (I'm only picking Cote cuz he's hungry for the win and Le is just not UFC material. He's a one kick pony) Kim > Maia (Stun Gun got finished by Condit because Condit rushed him. Maia will try to do the same, since that's how is striking is now.) McKenzie > Mendes (I think McKenzie will have a plan for Mendes, as he trains at Cesar Gracie's now, so his boxing got better.) Menjivar > Easton (Easton is decent, but his pre-fight hype is better than his in-the-ring fight skill. Menjivar can beat most people at 135) Nurmagomedov > Tibau Guillard > Camoes (Guillard needs this win bad as he's on a 2 loss streak, Camoes is a 3rd degree black belt in BJJ) Philippou > Fukuda (Philippou hits hard and has a good chin, Fukuda is Japanese) Alessio > Roller (Do or die for both fighters) Izquierdo > Oliveira (Do or die for both fighters)

But I cannot help not forgetting he was on ste steroids roids.

Oh and keep remembering this, SONNEN LOST TO SILVA EVEN WHEN SONNEN WAS ON STEROIDS.

Keep saying that to yourself... Like a mantra.

bilat, stop flood trolling plz

On June 29 2012 09:32 BILAT_POWER!!! wrote: Oh and keep remembering this, SONNEN LOST TO SILVA EVEN WHEN SONNEN WAS ON STEROIDS. Keep saying that to yourself... Like a mantra.

his body dosn`t produce enough testosterone anymore (due to taking excessive amounts for too long), so hes gonna be on testosterone replacement therapy the rest of his life

On June 29 2012 10:10 drone666 wrote: bilat, stop flood trolling plz

someone mad cause Pacquiao lost

Sonnen will get crushed, i havent seen Anderson motivated in years, imo that fight wasnt sonnen shining more like silva sucking, previously he could matrix dodge punches from competent strikers and he was getting hit standing up by a wrestler.

On June 29 2012 10:56 TalentedTom wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2012 10:10 drone666 wrote: bilat, stop flood trolling plz someone mad cause Pacquiao lost

Lol I am mad cos pacquiao lost? He didnt lose that fight, it was rigged and fyi I bet on Bradley in that fight. And lol @ that comment.

You're the one who's mad cos you cant accept the truth that Sonnen was on steroids in that first fight and lost to that genius of a fighter they call the Spiderman.

On June 29 2012 10:10 drone666 wrote: bilat, stop flood trolling plz

Sonnen fan.

On June 29 2012 10:55 TalentedTom wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2012 09:32 BILAT_POWER!!! wrote: Oh and keep remembering this, SONNEN LOST TO SILVA EVEN WHEN SONNEN WAS ON STEROIDS. Keep saying that to yourself... Like a mantra. his body dosn`t produce enough testosterone anymore (due to taking excessive amounts for too long), so hes gonna be on testosterone replacement therapy the rest of his life

Nah. He was using PED's. Cant deny it.

But who cares of he uses it. Lance Armstrong does it. Right? A lot of guys who lift weights do too, right?

bilat ftw

On June 29 2012 18:37 Baalim wrote: Sonnen will get crushed, i havent seen Anderson motivated in years, imo that fight wasnt sonnen shining more like silva sucking, previously he could matrix dodge punches from competent strikers and he was getting hit standing up by a wrestler.

Sonnen pressed and bullied and stifled him. When Anderson thought Sonnen was going to shoot, Sonnen hit him. When he thought Sonnen was going to strike he got taken down. Not saying that's going to happen again, but Sonnen had his number that night.

On June 29 2012 19:52 SleepyHead wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2012 18:37 Baalim wrote: Sonnen will get crushed, i havent seen Anderson motivated in years, imo that fight wasnt sonnen shining more like silva sucking, previously he could matrix dodge punches from competent strikers and he was getting hit standing up by a wrestler. Sonnen pressed and bullied and stifled him. When Anderson thought Sonnen was going to shoot, Sonnen hit him. When he thought Sonnen was going to strike he got taken down. Not saying that's going to happen again, but Sonnen had his number that night.

And he was on steroids. But hey, Anderson won via brilliant triangle choke. And no Sonnen wasnt having his way in that fight. That was Silva playing mind games with Sonnen making him think he couldnt lose. Then make a move at the right time. Read my previous posts.

That comic really resembles chael but it doesnt look like silva at all

On June 29 2012 19:59 BILAT_POWER!!! wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2012 19:52 SleepyHead wrote: [QUOTE]On June 29 2012 18:37 Baalim wrote: Sonnen will get crushed, i havent seen Anderson motivated in years, imo that fight wasnt sonnen shining more like silva sucking, previously he could matrix dodge punches from competent strikers and he was getting hit standing up by a wrestler. Read my previous posts.

I'd rather not

On June 29 2012 21:04 SleepyHead wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2012 19:59 BILAT_POWER!!! wrote:   On June 29 2012 19:52 SleepyHead wrote: [QUOTE]On June 29 2012 18:37 Baalim wrote: Sonnen will get crushed, i havent seen Anderson motivated in years, imo that fight wasnt sonnen shining more like silva sucking, previously he could matrix dodge punches from competent strikers and he was getting hit standing up by a wrestler. Read my previous posts. I'd rather not

But its about steroids and mind games. You'll love it!

Ok I read them. The Mason Storm post was my favorite.

On June 29 2012 18:37 Baalim wrote: Sonnen will get crushed, i havent seen Anderson motivated in years, imo that fight wasnt sonnen shining more like silva sucking, previously he could matrix dodge punches from competent strikers and he was getting hit standing up by a wrestler.

I gotta agree. But you have to admit Sonnen made a good job getting under Silva's skin with all the trash talking and insults. Will this make Silva emotional and fight worse than he usually does? Maybe. But one thing's for sure, somewhere out there in Brazil he is psyching himself that this is THE fight. It is not about the title or the UFC anymore. This is not about the sport. This is martial combat. When Silva gets out there he will be in a mindset not to win, he will be out there to kill. Sonnen just unleashed something in Silva that will show what he's really capable of.

I wouldnt be surprised if steroid boy Sonnen wont show up for this fight. They might say he got 'injured' but actually he is going home with his tail between his legs.

lol @ wrestlers becoming champs again. dream on. its no longer 2006 guys. imagine this was their first fight and remove biases and just base it on their track record. would you even pick sonnen at all? this is going to be so funny and im going to post first once SIlva KO headkicks this clown and does his victory shake with his annoying smile.

Sonnen will keep head low and say "im disappointed i lost, but i have no excuses" pffft.
I like how this generates interest in the UFC again though, JDS vs Reem vs Velasquez is a long ways to go.

On June 29 2012 21:37 whamm! wrote: lol @ wrestlers becoming champs again. dream on. its no longer 2006 guys. imagine this was their first fight and remove biases and just base it on their track record. would you even pick sonnen at all? this is going to be so funny and im going to post first once SIlva KO headkicks this clown and does his victory shake with his annoying smile. Sonnen will keep head low and say "im disappointed i lost, but i have no excuses" pffft. I like how this generates interest in the UFC again though, JDS vs Reem vs Velasquez is a long ways to go.

Thing is this isnt about having which background you have as an MMA fighter. I think any background can win as long as the fighter makes the right adjustments. Once you get to compete at MMA, your background is gone. The fighter has to take everything from karate, TKD, BJJ, kali, pro wrestling, elky's batshit insane punching style, etc.. and absorb and utilize which tools from different fighting styles makes sense to him and use what works for him.

At MMA, the best fighters keep evolving, which makes this sport so fun to watch. Other fighters who fail to do so lose and gets left behind.

lol not all styles are needed though

^ yup. Not all. If you think Elky's punching style gels well with your style, then by all means use it. The thing is it is up to you to find out. Although outside inputs from trainers/coaches/masters would certainly helpful as they have the experience. But all in all when you're out there fighting, its all you.

On June 27 2012 18:23 Daut wrote: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/8/9/1614522/anderson-silvas-fight-iq great article on anderson and the adjustments he was making in the first chael fight. i do buy the injury slowed him a bit and think the adjustments he makes this fight are better

Missed this. Yup thats a really good article.

where is teh primetime ?
read in the news that is already out, but can't find it anywhere

On June 28 2012 12:44 Nazgul wrote: Show nested quote + On June 28 2012 01:24 whamm! wrote: Okami Irvin Henderson Marquardt Jeremy Horn who do you think qualifies as high level wrestlers? Only Chael Sonnen? Silva just clowned around with these guys. You base your criteria the last time they fought but Silva was sick and it was probably his worst performance in a fight (stylistically), Sonnen did not force him to fight bad as I've explained in my previous post why he wasn't really up to par with his TD. Simply put Silva put out his worst performance and still came out on top with a finish no less. I'm sure Silva wants some questions erased. Im sorry but that Bisping fight was really a bad decision and Sonnen looked like Mark Coleman there. This is dumb, really dumb.

Nope, but basing the outcome of Silva vs Sonnen 2 only from their last fight is dumb, really dumb. I get what Whamm is saying, you just cant simply say that so and so is gonna win by watching their last fight. There are a lot of other factors involved. I'd tell you to shut the fuck up nerd, but I wont for fear of being banned. So there, made my point.

too excited for this fight. any streams up yet?

Hope Sonnen wins xD seems the most fun

On June 30 2012 21:31 whamm! wrote: too excited for this fight. any streams up yet?

On july 7 yeah.

My roommates and I are going to this fight. Going to be un fucking real OMFG

^ how much are the tix? and how good are the seats?

Lets get one thing straight. Is Steven Seagal a legit MMA trainer? Or is it all a PR stunt by Black House?

in a vacuum silva sends sonnen to the grave

in dana white vacuum sonnen takes this to five rounds with punches thrown slower than me

I think bruce lee could be a legit mma trainer, or fighter even if hes still alive and in his prime. But seagal???

BILAT you need not worry, there are numerous videos explaining these Seagal shenanigans by Silva's team.

He is not a trainer, anywhere near the level that top notch MMA fighters utilize, in any fighting system.
All claims by him are always hilariously frivolous, most famously his claim that he taught Silva the kick he utilized against Belfort, and even invented it himself.
(A front kick. Yeah, he invented front kicks to the face.)

Seagal could furthermore not even become a can crusher in MMA, he is not a fighter.
What nobody can take away from him is the fact that he's a bigger martial arts enthusiast than most, but that's not saying much.

Edit: Forgot to expand on my first sentence:
Seagal is extremely well known in Brazil, as that is where most B-movies like his end up being adored, and
Silva gains so much publicity from his being "there" for Silva, so to speak, that it's hard to measure without being a Brazilian yourself, which I'm not,
and therefore can't quantify.
Add to this the intense debate and spotlight that Silva received in the US and worldwide media, adding to his fame, and you have yourself a great decision by Silva's manager.

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On July 01 2012 21:55 RaiNKhAN wrote: in a vacuum silva sends sonnen to the grave in dana white vacuum sonnen takes this to five rounds with punches thrown slower than me

Yup. But I predict Silva gonna break Sonnen's knee caps first.

A few more days... Got money on Sonnen.

wait what

On July 01 2012 04:04 JonnyCosMo wrote: My roommates and I are going to this fight. Going to be un fucking real OMFG

oj, not jealous in the slightest!!

*snuffs*

Watched Silva - Henderson again. That was a nice fight, too bad it ended in the 2nd round. Still think Henderson can beat Silva.

On July 02 2012 21:48 2c0ntent wrote: wait what

A local bookie had +395 Sonnen. My bro-in law and I had to make a bet.

+395 I hope you put a fortune on that.

On July 03 2012 01:41 Nazgul wrote: +395 I hope you put a HALF A FORTUNE on that followed by HALF A FORTUNE on silva

fyp

+295 sorry.

i think this is the most overhyped fight in MMA history, and it's going to be hard to meet the high expectations. Silva will hopefully defeat that foul-mouth.

i simulated this fight on the xbox 360 UFC undisputed 3 and chael sonnen won! ill check later if its the same result.

Go Sonnnennnn!!!

On July 03 2012 07:42 whamm! wrote: i simulated this fight on the xbox 360 UFC undisputed 3 and chael sonnen won! ill check later if its the same result.

later as in this coming Saturday?

On July 03 2012 07:23 Royal_Rumble wrote: i think this is the most overhyped fight in MMA history, and it's going to be hard to meet the high expectations. Silva will hopefully defeat that foul-mouth.

Nah man this fight wont disappoint. Especially when Sonnen finally beats Silva. Sonnen has to have Silva figured out by now. He's been training in Jujitsu, plugging his 'leaks' and prolly studied Silva's game. Also, Sonnen has a great work ethic.

Plus all the trash talking is really entertaining and finally worked by getting Silva emotional. I fancy Sonnen as the Muhammad Ali of UFC.

LOL PuertoRican I just noticed the ridiculous poster you put in the original post (chael sonnen 'true middle weight champion''s 3rd title defense)

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BILAT POWER do you do drugs? You've done a complete and utter 180 turn on this whole sonnen vs silva thing.. or does a little bet on sonnen really influence your perspective that much


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On the note of it being the most overhyped fight and being disappointing: in avoiding a disappointment, this fight has one thing going for it in that no one really expects it to be a flash-bang-brawl-pow battle of excitement. Everyone is expecting one guy to try and lay on top of the other, so if it happens it won't be a big deal IMO. The hype is more about the personal drama that sonnen and silva have put together for the fans.

the only real 'disappointing' ending from my perspective will be if the fight ends in 2 or fewer rounds

On July 03 2012 08:27 BILAT_POWER!!! wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2012 07:23 Royal_Rumble wrote: i think this is the most overhyped fight in MMA history, and it's going to be hard to meet the high expectations. Silva will hopefully defeat that foul-mouth. Nah man this fight wont disappoint. Especially when Sonnen finally beats Silva. Sonnen has to have Silva figured out by now. He's been training in Jujitsu, plugging his 'leaks' and prolly studied Silva's game. Also, Sonnen has a great work ethic.

One does not simply 'Train in Jiu-jitsu' to a point where it'll do much against a black belt in a few months.

Don't forget that Sonnen will not be allowed to use so much testosterone in this fight as he did in the last one,
that alone should be a much bigger factor than leakplugging and gamestudying.

Press conference ending was INTENSE, lol cant wait.

Think im going to put my sportsbook roll on Silva.

silva definitely knows how to promote fights in staredowns

I would fake an injury during the next week if I was Sonnen

Punching power and stand up skill is meaninless when he is gonna spend most of the fight on the floor

The fight is gonna air 9am Bangkok Time on Sunday (July 8), my gf birthday is saturday, we are gonna make a small party here and our friends are gonna sleep over to watch the fight in the morning. I already bought the pay-per-view on UFC.TV. Gonna be so fucking epic

On July 03 2012 17:13 tutz wrote: The fight is gonna air 9am Bangkok Time on Sunday (July 8), my gf birthday is saturday, we are gonna make a small party here and our friends are gonna sleep over to watch the fight in the morning. I already bought the pay-per-view on UFC.TV. Gonna be so fucking epic

You might want to check and see if your internet is fast enough to maintain a decent enough quality stream or that might end up as the wrong type of epic.

dis will be too funny to watch

Nah man, this will be an epic epic match. Cant wait to watch the 'new' Sonnen go toe to toe vs Silva. Yeah Sonnen trained some Jujiutsu but I think Sonnen couldnt wait to face Silva on his feet.

And Sonnen is the better athlete.

On July 03 2012 16:48 TalentedTom wrote: Punching power and stand up skill is meaninless when he is gonna spend most of the fight on the floor

Hey Tom want to bet on this? i dont have a sportsbook account and i want to bet something trivial like $50 or tops $100

Just watched the press conference. Sonnen did a great job. Entertaining as fuck.

ILL SAY IT AGAIN

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CHAELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

gonna be tough tough fight for Chael, I expect him to lose, rooting for him nonetheless

On July 03 2012 11:59 taco wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2012 08:27 BILAT_POWER!!! wrote:   On July 03 2012 07:23 Royal_Rumble wrote: i think this is the most overhyped fight in MMA history, and it's going to be hard to meet the high expectations. Silva will hopefully defeat that foul-mouth. Nah man this fight wont disappoint. Especially when Sonnen finally beats Silva. Sonnen has to have Silva figured out by now. He's been training in Jujitsu, plugging his 'leaks' and prolly studied Silva's game. Also, Sonnen has a great work ethic. One does not simply 'Train in Jiu-jitsu' to a point where it'll do much against a black belt in a few months. Don't forget that Sonnen will not be allowed to use so much testosterone in this fight as he did in the last one, that alone should be a much bigger factor than leakplugging and gamestudying.

Well yeah. But some knowledge of what to do and what not to do against Silva is a big big improvement for him this time around. And these are elite professional fighters I am pretty sure Sonnen learned, absorbed and incorporated a whole lot of Jiujitsu technics the whole time before the fight this weekend.

And for the testosterone thing, yeah I agree. But who knows, Sonnen might not need a whole lot this weekend.

On July 04 2012 01:01 Zadan wrote: gonna be tough tough fight for Chael, I expect him to lose, rooting for him nonetheless

Definitely a tough fight. I think Silva's mindset coming in this fight would be something like if he catches Sonnen with an arm bar, he wont wait for a tap but to break that arm right away. Or kick one of his knee caps off given the first chance to do it.

Once Chael gets up in Anderson's face and slaps that ugly boxing style on his ass, followed by a take down, it will be all over for Anderson.

Anderson already said he's 100% healthy for this fight, so there will be no excuses to why he does poorly in a win, or does poorly in a loss this time.

Or kneeing Sonnen's face head on while he attempts to take Silva down. All of this in the first round. Silva will attempt to cripple Sonnen as soon as possible. Yes cripple.

On July 04 2012 03:23 PuertoRican wrote: Once Chael gets up in Anderson's face and slaps that ugly boxing style on his ass, followed by a take down, it will be all over for Anderson. Anderson already said he's 100% healthy for this fight, so there will be no excuses to why he does poorly in a win, or does poorly in a loss this time.

Sure. But it will be not that easy for Sonnen. Both fighters trained really hard. I hope he gets thru the first round. I just loooove how releeeeentleeeessss Sonnen is.

Sigh. I wish Bruce Lee was still alive. Imagine him making comments in fights. We can only wonder what insights he can give in each championship fight.

If he were still alive he would beat all of these guys even at the age of 60!

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On July 04 2012 03:44 BILAT_POWER!!! wrote: Sigh. I wish Bruce Lee was still alive. Imagine him making comments in fights. We can only wonder what insights he can give in each championship fight. If he were still alive he would beat all of these guys even at the age of 60!

Jesus what is it with you people* and acting like Bruce was immortal.

Bruce would get annihilated by >75% of UFC fighters with >3 fights in the UFC. There is a reason there are weight classes.

Imagine a 72kg dude with a 70in (max) reach facing Anderson Silva or Alistair Overeem.

Now tell me if you truly believe what you just wrote.
*the blacks

but he moves at near light speed

he is trolling, nobody that knows anything about fighting would think that Lee would beat Silva, he wouldnt even beat most of the people in his weight class.


Anyway nobody wants to bet against me? ill take Silva on sportsbook odds

On July 05 2012 16:45 taco wrote: Show nested quote + On July 04 2012 03:44 BILAT_POWER!!! wrote: Sigh. I wish Bruce Lee was still alive. Imagine him making comments in fights. We can only wonder what insights he can give in each championship fight. If he were still alive he would beat all of these guys even at the age of 60! Jesus what is it with you people* and acting like Bruce was immortal. Bruce would get annihilated by >75% of UFC fighters with >3 fights in the UFC. There is a reason there are weight classes. Imagine a 72kg dude with a 70in (max) reach facing Anderson Silva or Alistair Overeem. Now tell me if you truly believe what you just wrote. *the blacks

He beat Kareem Abdul Jabbar once...

On July 05 2012 17:19 2c0ntent wrote: but he moves at near light speed

This! And he trained every muscle in his body for fighting. He can jab his finger right through a person's skull.

On July 05 2012 17:33 Baalim wrote: he is trolling, nobody that knows anything about fighting would think that Lee would beat Silva, he wouldnt even beat most of the people in his weight class. Anyway nobody wants to bet against me? ill take Silva on sportsbook odds

You'll find a hard time finding someone to bet against Silva. Cos even the Sonnen guys think Silva's gonna win. They just dont wanna say it.

Silva wins this at first round. Sonnen cannot do a repeat of the first fight.

Edit: ok lets give Sonnen some credit. Silva wins on the third round.

if Everything thnks Silva will win, then you should move the line over some Baal

Oh and I definitely think Sonnen is taking more than double on whatever he's taking for TRT.

bruce lee was pretty much the first modern day legit well rounded mixed martial artist.

he trained in jiu jitsu, judo, wrestling and spent lots of time on strength training. he really was decades before his time and people dont give him enough credit for being a great fighter. actually in one of his movies (i believe enter the dragon) he escaped an armbar by biting someone lol.

i can pretty much guarantee bruce's skills would have made him a top 50 MMA fighter in most divisions today. of course he was way smaller and didnt have as advanced training in all aspects of MMA as we do today, but he took the lifestyle very serious and as i said before was decades ahead of his time.

^ if he's in his prime today? Hell yeah he'd beat everyone in his weight division, and prolly move up even to beat everyone above his weight division. He's just that kind of guy.

And no I dont think he will be able to beat everyone at the heavyweight class or light heavyweight. That will just be stupid thinking, BUT he has a chance.

he was extremely dedicated to fitness and honing his skills, but I would not expect him to ever enter an actual MMA fight. I don't think he actually wanted to fight -- he was a movie star. He might not be the kind that is willing to take a punch/risk injury in such a way. Risking injury doing stunts on a movie set =/= risking injury in an MMA fight

^ hypothetically if he wanted to fight and in his prime today and has all the modern training available, what would you think?

On July 05 2012 18:30 BILAT_POWER!!! wrote: Show nested quote + On July 05 2012 17:33 Baalim wrote: he is trolling, nobody that knows anything about fighting would think that Lee would beat Silva, he wouldnt even beat most of the people in his weight class. Anyway nobody wants to bet against me? ill take Silva on sportsbook odds You'll find a hard time finding someone to bet against Silva. Cos even the Sonnen guys think Silva's gonna win. They just dont wanna say it. Silva wins this at first round. Sonnen cannot do a repeat of the first fight. Edit: ok lets give Sonnen some credit. Silva wins on the third round.

I'd put $20 on Sonnen to win if someone wanted to take the bet via PayPal transfer, and give me original odds.

I think Sonnen will win via UD.

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And he didnt like to fight?? He used to go street fighting all the time in his younger years in Hong Kong.

On July 05 2012 20:34 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On July 05 2012 18:30 BILAT_POWER!!! wrote:   On July 05 2012 17:33 Baalim wrote: he is trolling, nobody that knows anything about fighting would think that Lee would beat Silva, he wouldnt even beat most of the people in his weight class. Anyway nobody wants to bet against me? ill take Silva on sportsbook odds You'll find a hard time finding someone to bet against Silva. Cos even the Sonnen guys think Silva's gonna win. They just dont wanna say it. Silva wins this at first round. Sonnen cannot do a repeat of the first fight. Edit: ok lets give Sonnen some credit. Silva wins on the third round. I'd put $20 on Sonnen to win if someone wanted to take the bet via PayPal transfer, and give me original odds. I think Sonnen will win via UD. ----------

FYI, I bet on Sonnen +295 cos theres some value there. But I think Silva will win honestly. No troll

On July 05 2012 20:08 Daut wrote: bruce lee was pretty much the first modern day legit well rounded mixed martial artist. he trained in jiu jitsu, judo, wrestling and spent lots of time on strength training. he really was decades before his time and people dont give him enough credit for being a great fighter. actually in one of his movies (i believe enter the dragon) he escaped an armbar by biting someone lol. i can pretty much guarantee bruce's skills would have made him a top 50 MMA fighter in most divisions today. of course he was way smaller and didnt have as advanced training in all aspects of MMA as we do today, but he took the lifestyle very serious and as i said before was decades ahead of his time.

Nobody is saying he wasnt ahead of his time or that he wouldnt be good if he trained modern techniques, but he is simply no match for an MMA fighter with his current knowledge, he had the right idea but obviously isnt ready he would get wrestled fucked by any so-so wrestler.

What do you mean a top 50mma fighter in most division? meaning that he would be a top 50 heavy weight? are u freaking serious?

On July 05 2012 20:34 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On July 05 2012 18:30 BILAT_POWER!!! wrote:   On July 05 2012 17:33 Baalim wrote: he is trolling, nobody that knows anything about fighting would think that Lee would beat Silva, he wouldnt even beat most of the people in his weight class. Anyway nobody wants to bet against me? ill take Silva on sportsbook odds You'll find a hard time finding someone to bet against Silva. Cos even the Sonnen guys think Silva's gonna win. They just dont wanna say it. Silva wins this at first round. Sonnen cannot do a repeat of the first fight. Edit: ok lets give Sonnen some credit. Silva wins on the third round. I'd put $20 on Sonnen to win if someone wanted to take the bet via PayPal transfer, and give me original odds. I think Sonnen will win via UD. ----------

only paypal? what odds u want

On July 05 2012 20:56 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On July 05 2012 20:08 Daut wrote: bruce lee was pretty much the first modern day legit well rounded mixed martial artist. he trained in jiu jitsu, judo, wrestling and spent lots of time on strength training. he really was decades before his time and people dont give him enough credit for being a great fighter. actually in one of his movies (i believe enter the dragon) he escaped an armbar by biting someone lol. i can pretty much guarantee bruce's skills would have made him a top 50 MMA fighter in most divisions today. of course he was way smaller and didnt have as advanced training in all aspects of MMA as we do today, but he took the lifestyle very serious and as i said before was decades ahead of his time. Nobody is saying he wasnt ahead of his time or that he wouldnt be good if he trained modern techniques, but he is simply no match for an MMA fighter with his current knowledge, he had the right idea but obviously isnt ready he would get wrestled fucked by any so-so wrestler. What do you mean a top 50mma fighter in most division? meaning that he would be a top 50 heavy weight? are u freaking serious?

If kicking the balls and biting were legal, yes.

Edit: Bruce Lee would evolve as a fighter too. So I dont think he would get wrestled that easily. Just imagine him alive right now in his prime and wants to train and fight at MMA. Do you think a guy like that will 'just lose'?? He'll be training as hard as fuck.

On July 05 2012 20:57 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On July 05 2012 20:34 PuertoRican wrote:   On July 05 2012 18:30 BILAT_POWER!!! wrote:   On July 05 2012 17:33 Baalim wrote: he is trolling, nobody that knows anything about fighting would think that Lee would beat Silva, he wouldnt even beat most of the people in his weight class. Anyway nobody wants to bet against me? ill take Silva on sportsbook odds You'll find a hard time finding someone to bet against Silva. Cos even the Sonnen guys think Silva's gonna win. They just dont wanna say it. Silva wins this at first round. Sonnen cannot do a repeat of the first fight. Edit: ok lets give Sonnen some credit. Silva wins on the third round. I'd put $20 on Sonnen to win if someone wanted to take the bet via PayPal transfer, and give me original odds. I think Sonnen will win via UD. ---------- only paypal? what odds u want

I'll take the same odds as Bilat, +295 on Sonnen. (Cant fight the articles that listed Sonnen higher, it was originally +425.)

I can only send through PayPal cuz I don't play poker, and Wells Fargo charges $15 automatically for any incoming transfers from banks other than Wells Fargo, doesn't matter if you transfer $50 or $5000. So, If I won our bet and you wanted to send me the money from your Bank of America account to my Wells Fargo account, I automatically get charged -$15 from the money you sent me, that's not counting the charge you get charged for sending the money.