God

To the christians:
before you try to talk to me about bible quotations and stuff ... dont bother
I havent read 1 single page of bible since that event happend in april.
And i dont really care.
To me from my limited experience Jesus is about getting free from fears and you dont need no bible and rules and religion for that

To the guys who want my drugs:
Sorry to dissapoint you.
I dont have any. I was a drug addict in the past but havent taken any drugs for years

I am just telling what happend and that is all

<3

did god speak to you in german or english?
what kind of voice did he have? id imagine he has a steve wynn kind of voice
wantin to beat someone up in a church wasnt a particularly smart plan if i may say
nice blogpost tho

On June 22 2012 05:49 PplusAD wrote: (...) Jesus is about getting free from fears and you dont need (...) religion for that

You don't need religion for Jesus? That's a pretty massive contradiction right here.
What if it was him who stabbed you several times in the church?

German and well it sounded kinda like my own voice with a bit of mixed effects in.
I dont know.
Chances of making this sound logical are 0 So i dont care about trying to make it logical

Well as i said i was a non believer and i am a very sceptical person
First few hours after that stuff happend i thought shit ! I may have braintumor or something like epilepsy or a mental breakdown ?
that to me was the most plausible reasoning for that happening.

But well i have checked my brain and its totaly fine ! I could fight MMA
Epilepsy looks totally different from what my GF told me (And i had never ever had anything to do with epilepsy before in my life)
Mental breakdown is possible but highly unlikley.
I mean i was in a mental state of : How boring ! lets get out
Not the typical state for a mental breakdown ? (Allthough i admit their was some tension from the plan of punching someone... not that much though since i have punched people all day for the last years and that typically is not enough for a mental breakdown <---- must admit i am not an expert here)

Well and the fact that so far this "Jesus" guy only told nice things

I decided to go with the for me most logical point of view.
Something supernatural happend to me that i cant really explain. It calls himself jesus and so far it has only done good to me

On June 22 2012 06:08 Kapol wrote: Show nested quote + On June 22 2012 05:49 PplusAD wrote: (...) Jesus is about getting free from fears and you dont need (...) religion for that You don't need religion for Jesus? That's a pretty massive contradiction right here. What if it was him who stabbed you several times in the church?

I wont argue with anyone over what i experienced
I see no logical reason for doing so ?
I am just telling what happend

make the conclusions for yourself

What i always found so annoying about christians is that they try to convince people into following Jesus with absolutely irrational arguments
Not gonna jump on that train ever
I dont want to convince anyone to anything.

Do what makes you happy

Edit: concerning the "stabbing"
Thats just what other people told me.
What i feld and saw when that stuff happend was absolutely zero ... i was unconcious ...

My advice more selling less eating... dog food that is :D

Jesus is an highly enlighted being that belongs to an alien race from the Pleiades.
The one main goal of the Pleiadians on earth is to free us (earth humans) from the reptilians. Human negative energy, mainly fear, is what feeds the reptilians, among other things.
Crazy.

So u failed to KO a priest because he stabbed you to death in the first place and then somehow ressurected you to not look like an evil person in front of many people. Gogo church!

where were you when Jesus talked to you?
Seems like a huge waste of a revelation, he even told you something incredibly generic... Did something change in your life?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia

well it's probably not schizophrenia
but your brain is a wonderful and mysterious tool you know ...

What you're suffering from sounds like a form of hysterical depression. You are making events real to yourself to fill the void of pain and depression from years of psychological abuse due to your childhood upbringing. You feigned a seizure in public, now you claim to hear, LITERALLY HEAR, literally as in the literal definition of the word hears, as in when someone speaks directly to you in real life and your ears process the sound waves and convert them into information for your brain, you HEAR god speaking to you. If your medical evaluations check out ok then at least you arent suffering any real physical damage to your brain, just psychological. In time you'll probably be ok, you're just having an episode right now.

LOl Well tutz point so far makes more sense than the other comments.

@ rest
I know it sounds all like serious bullshit and there is no reason to believe my words other than that i have no reason to make all that up out of nowhere
Well but i cant help it still happend.


@ lebowski
In my living room
Well not much changed except for that overall i feel a lot more happy in general since then
And i am very thankfull for that.

Unfortunately i have no super powers (was aiming at the ability of shooting chain-ligtning out of my fingers)

I have no clue what this was all about and what or if it was good for anything.
Only fact that i cant deny is that it happend.
About all other things surrounding what happend i am 100% clueless

On June 22 2012 08:35 NewbSaibot wrote: What you're suffering from sounds like a form of hysterical depression. You are making events real to yourself to fill the void of pain and depression from years of psychological abuse due to your childhood upbringing. You feigned a seizure in public, now you claim to hear, LITERALLY HEAR, literally as in the literal definition of the word hears, as in when someone speaks directly to you in real life and your ears process the sound waves and convert them into information for your brain, you HEAR god speaking to you. If your medical evaluations check out ok then at least you arent suffering any real physical damage to your brain, just psychological. In time you'll probably be ok, you're just having an episode right now.

Well there is a small chance that this is somehow true and i considerd that being a possibility
While trying to reconstruct what happend i considerd it a possibility
that in my subconscious the dissapointment of not being able to end the dangerous(possible soon deadly) religous journey of my parents right at that Jesus healing event was so big that my body just spazzed out in a despair moment to deal with the inner pain i could no longer bear.
While at the same time a godly touch would give myself a powerful position(tool) to lead my parents away from the wrong path.
Overall they follow God and you cant argue with a guy who was touched by God himself ?
Lol
Well if you really want it that way u can construct a half way logical story that would lead to pretty scary power of subconsciousness. (or me being shizophrenic for a time span of a few days ?)
As said this is just a recunstruction trying to give that shit some logic.
With my concious part of the brain at that time when events happend i didn even consider such such brilliant and crazy move the slightest little bit....

But thinking about it for quite some time i think it pretty unlikley that your subconscious can do such insane things while your concious mind is in a relaxed,rational and bored state ?
I mean you need to actually physically feel fear or pain from dissapointment to trigger such an event right before it happens ?

Its not like u are bored and relaxed and than randomly spazz out and falling unconcious ?

Well this happend more than 2 1/2 months ago and i am not thinking too much about it nowadays
Fact is nothing bad has come to me from that
I am feeling fine (not too much has changed)
all good

Just wanted to share this story since in the NeillyFT thread there was some talk about God and without aiming at anything i thought it probably is an interesting read

On June 22 2012 08:36 PplusAD wrote: LOl Well tutz point so far makes more sense than the other comments.

On June 22 2012 06:47 tutz wrote: Jesus is an highly enlighted being that belongs to an alien race from the Pleiades. The one main goal of the Pleiadians on earth is to free us (earth humans) from the reptilians. Human negative energy, mainly fear, is what feeds the reptilians, among other things. Crazy.

srsly what the fuck is happening on LP
everyones crazy
shits scary

On June 22 2012 08:46 PplusAD wrote: Show nested quote + On June 22 2012 08:35 NewbSaibot wrote: What you're suffering from sounds like a form of hysterical depression. You are making events real to yourself to fill the void of pain and depression from years of psychological abuse due to your childhood upbringing. You feigned a seizure in public, now you claim to hear, LITERALLY HEAR, literally as in the literal definition of the word hears, as in when someone speaks directly to you in real life and your ears process the sound waves and convert them into information for your brain, you HEAR god speaking to you. If your medical evaluations check out ok then at least you arent suffering any real physical damage to your brain, just psychological. In time you'll probably be ok, you're just having an episode right now. Well there is a small chance that this is somehow true and i considerd that being a possibility While trying to reconstruct what happend i considerd it a possibility that in my subconscious the dissapointment of not being able to end the dangerous(possible soon deadly) religous journey of my parents right at that Jesus healing event was so big that my body just spazzed out in a despair moment to deal with the inner pain i could no longer bear. But thinking about it for quite some time i think it pretty unlikley that your subconscious can do such insane things while your concious mind is in a relaxed,rational and bored state ? I mean you need to actually physically feel fear or pain from dissapointment to trigger such an event right before it happens ? Its not like u are bored and relaxed and than randomly spazz out and falling unconcious ?

I would consult a shrink if I was you.
It can't really hurt and it seems you've experienced a huge trauma...

On June 22 2012 09:09 waga wrote: ...... I would consult a shrink if I was you. It can't really hurt and it seems you've experienced a huge trauma...

And what should i tell him ?

Hello , i am feeling fine right now cant complain about anything
but 2 1/2 months ago was that really wired stuff happening
thats why i am here

Shrink: And what do you want me to do for you
Me : well i am fine. But this guy at LP said i should go lol

you could start to link him this thread
well .. your life not my business.

did you check the stomach as well?

On June 22 2012 09:14 PplusAD wrote: Show nested quote + On June 22 2012 09:09 waga wrote: ...... I would consult a shrink if I was you. It can't really hurt and it seems you've experienced a huge trauma... And what should i tell him ? Hello , i am feeling fine right now cant complain about anything but 2 1/2 months ago was that really wired stuff happening thats why i am here Shrink: And what do you want me to do for you Me : well i am fine. But this guy at LP said i should go lol

You believe you were tortured by a laughing deity and later on had a conversation with Jesus. This isn't something you can exactly sweep under the rug.

Sounds like this would make an excellent episode of House.

Also, I don't remember LP being this level of insane when I last frequented it... Not sure if good or bad.

Hmm, people like to believe that they can acomplished all plans they make. Then imagination is taking control, and they already see the part when they acomplished whatever they thought they will do. And hitting a priest in hurch? You can be non believer, but it is still a bad idea, so Your brain will tell You that it was wrong, and punishment is forthcoming. Form of that is another thing, but hey, brain is not fkin simple toy.
Or...much more possible, if she knew Your plan - she went like" hmm I`ll make it even funnier" ... ( sound of drug falling into morning Juice)... there You go

Sounds exactly like a seizure imo
As for

Epilepsy looks totally different from what my GF told me

that isnt even possible as their is no actual physical look to a seizure. They can be wild spasms or can be a person blinking rapidly for a few second (my sister has epilepsy). Read up on seizure types. The hearing voices is extremely common as is 3rd person experience and loss of memory. Typically the voices you hear, if understandable at all, will be the last few thoughts u had or sounds u heard before the seizure took place. U were in a church so u talked to Jesus, if u were at a Hindu temple ud would have probably talked to Vishnu or some other Hindu diety.

But meh, just my input. Glad u arnt taking the "I must convert everyone" approach and such.

EDIT: 2 possible give aways too. What is ur native language? U will 99.99999% of the time hear voices during a seizure that r in ur native language. The "ur voice but with sound effects" and the whole out of body sounds a lot like ur right hemisphere was thinking but ur left hemisphere wasn't functioning correctly causing u to lose sense of self.
Read the hemisphere properties too
http://www.macalester.edu/psychology/...brain/Hemispheric_Specialization.html

EDIT2: o the whole jesus thing was post seizure..ah...well i still think u may wanna look up epilepsy and talk to a Dr bout it at some point.

The only thing that bothers me is when people claim to hear, ACTUALLY HEAR, voices. I assume most people use the "god spoke to me" claim as a kind of metaphor. Like they got the idea to do something on their own, but attribute it to god, because they dont believe they would have thought of it themselves. The problem with actually *hearing* something is that contact from an unknown voice is likely to result in a severe psychological impact. Stress reaction when confronted with an omnipresent voice is likely to result in absolute terror. Yet you just brush it off like "oh hi there god! lulz, whats that you say? sure thing np, k thx bye!".

I mean you tell me, what was your reaction to hearing a voice that you could not see? How did you handle that?

On June 22 2012 11:51 palak wrote: Sounds exactly like a seizure imo As for Show nested quote + Epilepsy looks totally different from what my GF told me that isnt even possible as their is no actual physical look to a seizure. They can be wild spasms or can be a person blinking rapidly for a few second (my sister has epilepsy). Read up on seizure types. The hearing voices is extremely common as is 3rd person experience and loss of memory. Typically the voices you hear, if understandable at all, will be the last few thoughts u had or sounds u heard before the seizure took place. U were in a church so u talked to Jesus, if u were at a Hindu temple ud would have probably talked to Vishnu or some other Hindu diety. But meh, just my input. Glad u arnt taking the "I must convert everyone" approach and such. EDIT: 2 possible give aways too. What is ur native language? U will 99.99999% of the time hear voices during a seizure that r in ur native language. The "ur voice but with sound effects" and the whole out of body sounds a lot like ur right hemisphere was thinking but ur left hemisphere wasn't functioning correctly causing u to lose sense of self. Read the hemisphere properties too http://www.macalester.edu/psychology/...brain/Hemispheric_Specialization.html

Slowly the comments here are bringing the insanity to something more sane.

You did not see god, hear god, or feel god but you can believe in god all you want. After you physicals check out fine, this should be the easiest breakdown from a psychologist ever, which you should go see, why? because instead you are spewing none sense correlations and spreading it to other people. Just because myself and others here realize the insanity, there are others who are weak minded or emotional vulnerable and will take your bullshit assessment for face value. This only makes the viral circle of religious harm to society when it comes to actually important shit, like your mom's high blood pressure.

You feel fine now with your 'found' religious belief because you heard words that are somewhat 'sane': Do not fear. That means shit though, as you could have easily told yourself to kill all priests.

You most likely had an emotional breakdown in the church with seizure like qualities.

God and MMA don't go hand in hand.

God isn't going to get you the W.
Hard work, a good team, and TRT is.

Please don't take this the wrong way, just find it interesting that a lot of people that hear of have heard voices and believe in the supernatural do drugs or have abused drugs at some point. Still not sure which is the trigger to which. Make no mistake man, if you have abused drugs in the past, they most certainly have changed the wires of your brain, for better or worse.

Ofc don't rule out that you have actually spoken to god, but don't rule out all the other possibilities just yet and test those that can be tested.

I didn't buy the story btw, you passed out and are trying to attach a greater meaning to it. Taking your girlfriend to a brainwash church and wanting to punch out a sad little priest infront of everyone, wtf. I suggest professional medical attention aswell.
I wouldn't be amazed if more stories like this surfaced after the content we have been having here lately.

kettleballs and squats

On June 22 2012 05:41 PplusAD wrote: So we were about to go and then i heard a voice laughing out of my stomach (I could watch it like 3rd person)and felt i lose control over my body. Feeling i am not really in my body anymore and hearing that laughing voices out of my stomach ??? i realized i should jump away from my GF as far as i can since i love her and had the feeling something terrible will happen...

damn i thought you were about to let a huge one rip in front of the whole church.

i am disappoint

you probably hit your head somewhere really hard while practicing MMA and your brain accidentally released some DMT...have funs!

fear is the mind killer

...

I wouldn't listen to the people telling you that you are crazy. If you go and get medical help they will do what they always do and that is to treat the symptoms not the cause and put you on mind numbing drugs.
The ancients realized much more than we think, today we think we are so smart because we have become atheists resulting in refusal to accept anything that isn't in the five primary human senses.
You don't have to believe in religious dogma to believe in god I've never had such an experience as yours but I draw my conclusion from all of the beauty and symmetry in nature and refuse to believe that it was all a coincidence.

@locoo
I am pretty sure the fact that i did massive drug abuse from 15-20(7 years ago) years had some impact in the voice thingy.
I did a lot of halluzinating drugs at that time and so my brain is remembering that it was kinda used to seeing and hearing stuff that is not there.
Thats is the reason i dont freak out about hearing a voice....
I mean when u have done halluzinating drugs for years u see and hear many things when tripping and your brain is used to staying relaxed even when you experience the wirdest stuff.
I guess everyone who did drugs agrees about that ?

Just for the record i havent done any drugs for the last 6 years

@ Highcard
I allready said that if you want to give that shit some logic (as you obviously want to do) I ll think the most likley reason for all this happening is

that in my subconscious the dissapointment of not being able to end the dangerous(possible soon deadly) religous journey of my parents right at that Jesus healing event was so big that my body just spazzed out in a despair moment to deal with the inner pain i could no longer bear. While at the same time a godly touch would give myself a powerful position(tool) to lead my parents away from the wrong path. Overall they follow God and you cant argue with a guy who was touched by God himself ?

So to save my parents from death which would be a pain i want to avoid under all circumstances my subconscious (knowing saving them is highest priority) developed a crazy master plan that somehow just executed itself without my concious part of the brain having any part in it.
Or to say it short: I had developed some temporary shizophrenia ?

Thats what the logic part of my brain says is possible to a small percentage of ~ 5%

The problem with this is that the emotional state (that you have no insight to) that i was in when that shit started was completely different to what normally triggers such behaviour
Also i am not really sure that you can have temporary shizophrenia ?

joe rogan podcast bro, it works believe me.

On June 23 2012 05:25 PplusAD wrote: So to save my parents from death which would be a pain i want to avoid under all circumstances my subconscious (knowing saving them is highest priority) developed a crazy master plan that somehow just executed itself without my concious part of the brain having any part in it.

how can you really believe that?
if something like that happened to me, i'd be extremely worried about my health/sanity and i wouldn't be justifying it by a crazy master plan coming from my subconscious
you should really do something about it; if it happened once, who's to say it's not going to happen again?

Anyone that plans to go to a religious activity to knockout the pastors or whatever is crazy.

Occam's razor.

Stay safe OP.

From now on I shall call you GplusOD