are you saying mortensen, that you were trolled by the illuminati?
Most the world is a police state.
Scratch that, the world is a police state.
On May 22 2012 06:45 Mortensen8 wrote:
They did this as a show of power and as a psychological experiment to see what they can get away with prepare for more of this. The reason people don't see what's going on is because of normalcy bias and other psychological defense mechanisms that sadly the elite have counted on.
psychological defense mechanisms, like for example, being wrong, but un capable of facing that reality, to the point that your brain reinvents the scenario? in this case that the Illuminati were trolling us..
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
To varying degrees China is on one end of the spectrum. Freedom is a relatively new concept, didn't last long.
First they will have to disarm the public. If you have time read this quote that I typed out from no longer published book Tragedy & Hope, Carroll Quigley + Show Spoiler +
On the military level in Western Civilization in the twentieth century the chief development has been a steady increase in the complexity and the cost of weapons. When weapons are cheap to get and so easy to use that almost anyone can use them after a short period of training, armies are generally made up of large masses of amateur soldiers. Such weapons we call 'amateur weapons,' and such armies we might call 'mass armies of citizen soldiers.' The Age of Pericle in Classical Greece and the nineteenth century in Western Civilization were periods of amateur weapons and citizen soldiers. But the nineteenth century was preceded (as was the Age of Pericles also) by a period in which weapons were expensive and required long training in their use. Such weapons we call 'specialist weapons'. Periods of specialist weapons are generally periods of small armies of professional soldiers usually mercenaries. In a period of specialist weapons the minority who have such weapons can usually force the majority who lack them to obey; thus a period of specialist weapons tends to give rise to a period of minority rule and authoritarian government. But a period of amateur weapons is a period in which all men are roughly equal in military power, a majority can compel a minority to yield, and majority rule or even democratic government tends to rise. In medieval times the best weapon was usually a mounted knight on horseback (clearly a specialist weapon) was a period of minority rule and authoritarian government. Even when the medieval knight was made obsolete (along with his stone castle) by the invention of gunpowder and the appearance of firearms, these new weapons were so expensive and so difficult to use (until 1800) that minority rule and authoritarian government continued even though the government sought to enforce its rule by shifting from mounted knights to professional pike men and musketeers. But after 1800, guns became cheaper to obtain and easier to use. By 1840 a Colt revolver sold for 27$ and a Springfield musket for not much more, and these were about as good weapons as anyone could get at that time. Thus, mass armies of citizens, equipped with these cheap and easily used weapons, began to replace armies of professional soldiers, beginning about 1800 in Europe and even earlier in America. At the same time, democratic government began to replace authoritarian governments (but chiefly in those areas where the cheap new weapons were available and local standards of living were high enough to allow people to obtain them).
I never said there would be an attack. I posted in this thread with my other agenda because I don't want to make new threads. The fact that you are arguing about someone being wrong tells me that you're not looking at the bigger picture and becoming caught up in meaningless internet victories.
@Mortensen8 and D_smart. Can you please answer this question for me.
What does this group of elites want to do that they can not do right now? I am talking about their goal and main purpose not just blowing shit up for fun and to scare people. Tell me WHY they want to scare people.
In US everyone is happy as long as all the prices are rising. Unless its crude oil - Marc Faber
To scare they are slowly normalizing the police state so people will just accept it look up learned helplessness.
Bigger picture and crazy theory is loot the degenerating western civilization before it disappears. Or creating a one world government out of the inevitable collapse. Or reduce the population drastically creating an underclass of workers living in overpopulated cities, while they can enjoy nature to themselves and using technology, eugenics, wealth and power to become unchallenged. Or a combination of it all hahaha yes go ahead and laugh.
On May 22 2012 08:21 capaneo wrote:
@Mortensen8 and D_smart. Can you please answer this question for me.
What does this group of elites want to do that they can not do right now? I am talking about their goal and main purpose not just blowing shit up for fun and to scare people. Tell me WHY they want to scare people.
Why do rich people want to get richer? I mean you were talking about the Koch Brothers and after reading a little, I don't see how you can know about their story and not believe that people are power hungry as hell.
And scared people are easier to control, I mean even if the twin towers were Osama's doing, it did provide support for an unjust and criminal war from the american people, a war that the UN declared illegal, a war that gave America a nice way into the middle east and it's petrolium. I think that never would they have accepted it if they were not scared/sad/angry because of the twin towers... I don't really understand your question, seems to me your will to discredit them is getting in the way of you thinking critically. I mean who cares if it's illuminati or not, if there are clues or not, the fact is that rich people are doing whatever the fuck they want and if you think they will stop for things like human lives than I hope you are right because I don't have your faith in humankind.
And also his answer is a world government, how often did he say it? Are you actually reading his threads or just posting arguments? The main thing idea is scare people - get them to accept giving you more power for ''freedom'' and ''war on terror'' and repeat until they have more power. Assuming there are people who want more power, whoever they are, than it makes a lot of sense to use false flag operations.. I mean if they think that having a one wolrd government could actually solve problems, they might even delude themselves into sacrificing people for the greater good.
Also, just look at christianity, if that's not scaring people into submission then I don't know what is...
Maybe I am wrong and just didn't get your question, feel free to correct me.
On May 21 2012 22:17 Zep wrote:
WE MADE IT. Sick sweat guys. Hope everyone in Chicago is doing alright.
Thanks for the warning op.
So stoked for the olympics.
no problem, Zeppy, always there for you.
btw, we just had a 5.8 here in Bulgaria in the middle of the night. Damn that was scary as shit lol.
No, taco, I am not claiming the Illuminati made the earthquake to piss me off. <---preventive anti-troll protection
Congrats one of an estimated 1319 per year of that magnitude, I wonder what heavenly bodies were aligned to cause it? Too bad it wasn't big enough to be included in the good doctors research.
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auffenpuffer Finland. May 22 2012 11:27. Posts 1429
Bigger picture and crazy theory is loot the degenerating western civilization before it disappears. Or creating a one world government out of the inevitable collapse. Or reduce the population drastically creating an underclass of workers living in overpopulated cities, while they can enjoy nature to themselves and using technology, eugenics, wealth and power to become unchallenged. Or a combination of it all hahaha yes go ahead and laugh.
Could you explain some more about the degeneration of the western civilization?
And what do you mean by reducing the population to create an underclass of workers living in OVERPOPULATED cities? I mean how does reducing the population lead to OVERPOPULATED cities and a new underclass? Wouldn't those goals be rather achieved by increasing the population drastically?
I mean I'm genuinely fascinated and would greatly appreciate an answer.
Bigger picture and crazy theory is loot the degenerating western civilization before it disappears. Or creating a one world government out of the inevitable collapse. Or reduce the population drastically creating an underclass of workers living in overpopulated cities, while they can enjoy nature to themselves and using technology, eugenics, wealth and power to become unchallenged. Or a combination of it all hahaha yes go ahead and laugh.
Could you explain some more about the degeneration of the western civilization?
And what do you mean by reducing the population to create an underclass of workers living in OVERPOPULATED cities? I mean how does reducing the population lead to OVERPOPULATED cities and a new underclass? Wouldn't those goals be rather achieved by increasing the population drastically?
I mean I'm genuinely fascinated and would greatly appreciate an answer.
Reducing the population and then putting *ALL* of them into cities. Enjoying the rest of the world for themselves.
SO like, kill everyone who isnt in a huge city right now, block off all exits in the city and have the rest of the world to themselves. (Oversimplification just to illustrate what he meant)
On May 22 2012 08:21 capaneo wrote:
@Mortensen8 and D_smart. Can you please answer this question for me.
What does this group of elites want to do that they can not do right now? I am talking about their goal and main purpose not just blowing shit up for fun and to scare people. Tell me WHY they want to scare people.
Why do rich people want to get richer? I mean you were talking about the Koch Brothers and after reading a little, I don't see how you can know about their story and not believe that people are power hungry as hell.
And scared people are easier to control, I mean even if the twin towers were Osama's doing, it did provide support for an unjust and criminal war from the american people, a war that the UN declared illegal, a war that gave America a nice way into the middle east and it's petrolium. I think that never would they have accepted it if they were not scared/sad/angry because of the twin towers... I don't really understand your question, seems to me your will to discredit them is getting in the way of you thinking critically. I mean who cares if it's illuminati or not, if there are clues or not, the fact is that rich people are doing whatever the fuck they want and if you think they will stop for things like human lives than I hope you are right because I don't have your faith in humankind.
And also his answer is a world government, how often did he say it? Are you actually reading his threads or just posting arguments? The main thing idea is scare people - get them to accept giving you more power for ''freedom'' and ''war on terror'' and repeat until they have more power. Assuming there are people who want more power, whoever they are, than it makes a lot of sense to use false flag operations.. I mean if they think that having a one wolrd government could actually solve problems, they might even delude themselves into sacrificing people for the greater good.
Also, just look at christianity, if that's not scaring people into submission then I don't know what is...
Maybe I am wrong and just didn't get your question, feel free to correct me.
I didn't argue. I asked a question. I know a couple of super rich folks. And their political views is FAAR to the right of me. But by looking at them and Koch brothers I can tell you that none of them are Evil like you want to believe they are. NOBODY goes to bed thinking of depopulation the earth. Thats just crazy talk.
They TRULY believe that many of their ideas will help the general population. I also personally think that a "world government" is not really a bad thing. Taxing people in USA and Europe and giving the money to poor people in Africa. Regulating and policing global problems such as ocean pollution, climate change, human right violation, war, gun/drug traffic and ... are brilliant ideas that needs a WorldGoverment.
you say "rich people are doing whatever the fuck they want" . And that proves my point. They do not need to bring down WTC or do false flags to do something. That is what the definition of "doing whatever they want" is.
In US everyone is happy as long as all the prices are rising. Unless its crude oil - Marc Faber
I had this conversation with Baal and other conspiracy theories on this site before. You argument is a false at its core.
If rich are so powerful that they can change the government and control all the laws and run huge operations like 9/11 then they don't need to do false flags and 9/11 and ... BECAUSE THEY ARE ALREADY POWERFUL to do whatever they want.
In US everyone is happy as long as all the prices are rising. Unless its crude oil - Marc Faber
I've come to realist that it's impossible to reason with these masses of leftists/socialists that the system pumps out nowadays they just want to give away rights 'for the greater good' well the road to hell is paved in good intentions and if you think that there is some globalist utopia at the end of the tunnel gl with that.
Because of the constitution they still had not completely taken over.
What was the other question yes auffenpuffer if you don't see the degeneration of mainstream media and culture of western civilization then I think you should look again.
On May 22 2012 06:41 uiCk wrote:
So, what do you tell yourself when you write a huge post to warn us of something that didn't happen? not trolling, but actually curious what your thought process is after such an event and your level of skepticism towards the information that made you think there will be a false-flag
I'm really curious as well. Can you admit you were totally wrong? I have my doubts.
Have you ever heard of the fable, 'The Boy Who Cried Wolf'?
NeillyJQ: I really wanted to prove to myself I could beat NL200, I did over a small sample, and believe Ill be crushing there in the future.
The Elite wants a One World Government, ruled by them. How can they make over 6 billion people to accept that when everyone starts to realise that the Big Players, the big bankers and guys of that calibre are not dealing well with the situation. Economical crysis, the middle class has almost disappeared, the rich get richer, the poor get poorer and in more and more debt. As Zbigniew Brzezinski once said in front of other world leaders - never before has the world been more awakened politically. So how are they going to remain on top when everyone starts to realise what the whole game is? They can't put 6 billion people in prison or in a barn or something like that. The only way to control that many people is to control their minds through propaganda and other mind-control mechanisms.
But what happens when even that isn't enough and people start awaken more and more every day? You scare the shit out of them, fear and insecurity starts crawling up their spine and they just want it to end, the Elite saves the day by winning the battle against the imaginary evil (whatever they choose it to be) and then the people love them. The Elite proposes that everyone unites for there will be no more wars and famine. However, there will be a few things that people will have to do in order to secure a peaceful One World Order - that's what they would be told. The propaganda may go in many directions but the general idea would be something like this - after several incredibly awful months full of riots, people killing each other and so on, almost anyone would be suspicious of others around them. Kids had been raped and murdered and so on. The government would say that everyone would need to be chipped for their security of course. The chip will be said to have many good properties - it will track your kids so that they don't get lost or kidnapped, you will be able to buy food without having to take cash with you or use any cards because lasers will identify the chip and will subtract money automatically. Sounds good. But who gives you the chip? The Government or a company/corporation that is controlled by them. It will track your ass everywhere so you have 0 privacy. They will be able to hear everything you say and if you oppose the government they can deal with you in many different ways.
For example, if you oppose the establishment, they will switch your chip off and you can't buy food or water. Yeah, it's that easy, a click on a button. Right now there is patented technology that tunes to your brainwaves and talks to you telepahically. You hear it but others don't. The chip may be a receiver of such frequencies and they will be able to control very directly or at least make you crazy if you don't obey. The chip may have a deadly dose of a poison. You only need a tiny tiny grain of ricin in your body to kill you. Not that difficult to implement it in a chip with a remote release mechanism. They can have many different chemicals that will be released based on what they need to make you do. Put you in a depression, make you more controllable - zombie mode, and so on. It's not a matter of are they able to make this happen. The technologies are already available and patented. The question is are they really going to be that drastic and if you know their agenda well enough you will be sure that they want it. The idea is to make human beings more and more robotic, less emotional, less humane, less empathetic, more submissive and easy to control.
As you can understand from the written above - it is all very logical. You may think that the Illuminati do not exist, you may think that there is no such plan and that's fine - everyone can have an opinion. But I ask you this:
If the Illuminati exist, and if they want to control people like robots working for them, does the plan mentioned above make logical sense? If you make a movie, would the audience understand it? It would certainly make a great and deep movie and it certainly makes logical sense so all you need to do is research IF the Illuminati exist and are they really as cruel as I describe them.
One can clearly see the robotization of the world. Many movies have been made on that topic. Even more movies have been made on "controlled society". Those that come to mind are I, Robot (robotization, not controlled society), V for Vendetta and the movie that Justin Timberlake and some chick have clocks on their arms and they die when it runs out. On one hand they use predictive programming to show us how life in the future should be and that a controlled society is the normal society, the one that is to be expected. Many more movies and songs are out there and brainwash people into believing that the robotization will make us more powerful and reach superhero abilities. The truth is EXACTLY the opposite but that's a long topic. They just want to put a Trojan Horse in our bodies (chip) so they can control us from within. This chip is also known as the Mark of the Beast.If they manage to complete their task at chipping the whole world (not 6 billion but maybe 5-10% of that after the major famine and crysis), then there will be no turning back. It would be like a rabbit trying to escape from the highest security prison. Right now, they have the upper hand but we can still come out victorious. But if they put that Trojan Horse it's all over.
wikipedia:
In June 1979, an unknown person or persons under the pseudonym R. C. Christian hired Elberton Granite Finishing Company to build the structure.
The Georgia Guidestones is a large granite monument in Elbert County, Georgia, USA. A message comprising ten guides is inscribed on the structure in eight modern languages, and a shorter message is inscribed at the top of the structure in four ancient languages' scripts: Babylonian, Classical Greek, Sanskrit, and Egyptian hieroglyphs.
The structure is sometimes referred to as an "American Stonehenge."1] The monument is 19 feet 3 inches (5.87 m) tall, made from six granite slabs weighing more than 240,000 pounds (110,000 kg) in all.[2] One slab stands in the center, with four arranged around it. A capstone lies on top of the five slabs, which are astronomically aligned. An additional stone tablet, which is set in the ground a short distance to the west of the structure, provides some notes on the history and purpose of the Guidestones.
A message consisting of a set of ten guidelines or principles is engraved on the Georgia Guidestones in eight different languages, one language on each face of the four large upright stones. Moving clockwise around the structure from due north, these languages are: English, Spanish, Swahili, Hindi, Hebrew, Arabic, Chinese, and Russian.
Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.
Unite humanity with a living new language.
Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
Balance personal rights with social duties.
Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
Be not a cancer on the earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.
You need to pay attention to the first and last guide-point. The rest is just to make it look like it has good intentions.
So some average Joe buys these massive stones for many thousands of dollars. Spends a lot of money for them to be incripted in many languages some of which known fluently by only a handful experts, pays for a crane to put them in place and it just stays there as some guide for life. Who is this guy, who spends a whole fortune and time on these stone structures without having any gain? Or maybe it's not an average Joe...
Edit: to the "they don't need a false flag if they are already too powerful" - This is totally wrong, capaneo. They are trying to fool 6 billion people that what they do is fair, legal and justified. How do you justify numerous wars with numerous countries (all of them oil/resource-rich) and fighting an imaginary enemy that they can't find anywhere ( they always know in which country Al Qaeda is, they just can't kill them... too many caves yo). So they needed that 9/11. It kick-started the whole WAR ON TERROR that is the reason for their actions. Otherwise people wouldn't be pissed off at all and they would be like "why do you attack them, they didn't do anything to me". After the war on terror was in the hearts of Americans and people around the Globe all they needed to do is say "he is a terrorist" or "he has a weapon of mass destruction" and the death of millions is justified. Their power comes from us. We want security from them, we want Iraq to be attacked, we want billions of dollars spent on military and killing people. They have to keep us angry and fearful, wanting revenge. That's why 9/11 and other false-flag attacks are needed for their agenda to come to life.
Zep: When I said I feel obligated to troll, it was a figure of speech
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brambolius Netherlands. May 22 2012 15:29. Posts 1708
You fail at understanding the scientific method. Every argument you make takes on the same logic as ancient aliens. "I'm not saying it is necessarily this, I'm just saying it could be this...the logic makes sense to me so therefore it has to be correct" FAIL. But please keep writing. I want to have as much material as possible to flame you from in mid-August.
NeillyJQ: I really wanted to prove to myself I could beat NL200, I did over a small sample, and believe Ill be crushing there in the future.
On May 22 2012 14:47 Zep wrote:
So you weren't wrong about Chicago? Funny how quickly you change subjects.
This thread as I already said numerous times is about warning and informing. Just as in poker, you work with percentages given the information you can deduct from your opponent and tighten the range of his possible holdings. The percentage was high enough for me to make the thread. Nothing happened, yes. So what? If you see a 5-year-old ready to be hit by a car do you wait for a scientific proof and see if it's hit or do you warn the child/do something before it's too late. If i can tell the future, it will be easier. But I can't, so if I see a possible threat, I tell others. I don't see anythin negative resulting from this thread. Except for the trolling.
Another thing you don't understand, Zep is that we only see the end result. There are many good forces working against the Illuminati and nobody knows if there was a plan that was delayed/countered or there wasn't a plan. This thread certainly had no impact on that so don't say "oh now you say that because of your warn, the plan was countered." This thread was only aimed at informing and warning of a possible threat. Nothing more, nothing less.
Zep: When I said I feel obligated to troll, it was a figure of speech
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1] The monument is 19 feet 3 inches (5.87 m) tall, made from six granite slabs weighing more than 240,000 pounds (110,000 kg) in all.[2] One slab stands in the center, with four arranged around it. A capstone lies on top of the five slabs, which are astronomically aligned. An additional stone tablet, which is set in the ground a short distance to the west of the structure, provides some notes on the history and purpose of the Guidestones.
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