Fuck America (healthcare)

come to sweden!

u still got it good compared to most parts of the world~~~

look on the bright side

have you tried applying for medicaid?

i would have thought your university would offer some sort of healthcare insurance?

On October 05 2011 10:54 devon06atX wrote: i would have thought your university would offer some sort of healthcare insurance?

This.

I've asked, there's absolutely no student healthcare where I'm at , when I transfer to the primary university next semester I'm sure they have it and I'll definitely be looking into it.

I'll try for medicare but from what I hear with foodstamp programs here in Florida is that you apply and then they never get back to you and the stndrd procedure is to re-apply every couple of months until they find your papers in the clusterfuck they're in because their funding has been wildly slashed. Going to go google about medicaid now though.. I think its a federal program anyway.

medicaid is medicare for the poor

yeah i meant to type medicaid there

lol honestly? the poor cant get any medical treatment? this just blows my mind. Another thing is your educational system... They are deliberately raising citizens of debt?
Fuck you america

Huff that sounds awful =[

I just had a surgery a month ago, payed 25 dollar, which is what I pay no matter what I do at a hospital.
And if you ever get a total bill of all your visits combined to over 250 dollar, you get rest of the year free, that includes doctor visits too. Stupid that a country like America is so broken in many areas.

On October 05 2011 10:43 wobbly_au wrote: u still got it good compared to most parts of the world~~~ look on the bright side

Too bad he's got the very worst of the best parts of the world

Nvm haha look to the bright side!! (and get canadian citizenship asap)

You whine about the smallest of problems lol.

On October 05 2011 12:01 dnagardi wrote: Another thing is your educational system... They are deliberately raising citizens of debt?

Well they aren't "deliberately" creating debt in the students but good colleges are definitely expensive and unless you have parents who have been saving up a college fund since you were born you're probably going to have to take out some sort of student loan which can be hard to pay back later. I'd say that stills sucks.

well dunno, here in Hungary the goverment pays all your education from elementary through university (there are private ones but the elite ones are public and paid aswell)
same with the healthcare, everyone can get himself checked basicly for free. It's another story that medicines are expensive as hell.

i think its extremely pathetic that no matter how good/talented you are you cant get into the best universites if you dont have enough money. Equal opportunites right?

On October 05 2011 13:06 Graisseux wrote: Show nested quote + On October 05 2011 10:43 wobbly_au wrote: u still got it good compared to most parts of the world~~~ look on the bright side Too bad he's got the very worst of the best parts of the world Nvm haha look to the bright side!! (and get canadian citizenship asap)

canadian citizenship is actually really hard to acquire.

actually... will you marry me graisseux?

This is what you get with a "for-profit" healthcare system. I dont know why so many support this system, yet are totally cool with all other socialized services. I wouldnt even object if I could just go into any hospital at any time and receive any treatment as part of my "monthly bill". But after paying absurd premiums, you still have ridiculous deductibles, which recycle every year lol, and a board of people actively deciding whether or not to even cover your claims regardless of the thousands upon thousands of dollars you dump to them throughout your life. It's really quite gross. I think I pay something like $256/month, of which my employer ALSO contributes about $268/month, for my entire life, at which point they can still tell me to go fuck myself if I ever need to use their services lol.

I'm pretty sure the only people who support america's healthcare system are fucking idiots who think their employers "provide it for them".

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Yes, blame America because you didn't work hard enough throughout your life to afford health care. Yes, it's America's fault.

On October 05 2011 19:30 whamm! wrote: joe rogan said weed can solve all ailments

You are whining over $310? What do you think is a fair price?

For that you are going to see a highly trained professional who has over a decade of education and training who will diagnose and treat your injury. He or she will need at least three support staff to see you (receptionist, nurse, radiology tech), one of which is also a highly trained professional. Built into this cost will be the unavoidable overhead that comes with medicine such as radiology equipment and facilities.

If you don't even have $310 on hand the American healthcare system is not to blame, you're being melodramatic. I also thought almost every college offers health insurance, especially state schools. I don't mean for this to sound like a personal attack but if you're so broke that such a small amount of money is an emergency for you it might be good for you to look into some employment instead of accumulating 13k+ posts on an internet forum

To put it in perspective if your car breaks down and you have to take it to a mechanic they are going to charge you $200-300+ in most cases just to run diagnostics. The human body is many orders of magnitude more complex and much more is at stake in medicine. So crying about how the system is screwing you over when you're only being charged $310 for a very valuable service is pathetic

I believe it's $310 to get in and just possibly figure out what is wrong. Plus there will be hundreds more added in follow up visits etc. Also $310 is a ton of money to a lot of people and insane for how vital a service drs provide. Vital services should be cheap, not expensive. Things like auto mechanics are expensive and that's fine since having a car is an increasingly less necessary part of life. The $310 is the most expensive intro price to see a doctor in the first world.

Palak that's what it costs, plain and simple. Again I ask what do you think would be fair? That's not an intro price, that's a visit, radiology, a diagnosis, and a prescription and/or treatment plan. If an acute injury like that responds to conservative treatment you may not even need to go in for a follow up. It is an amazing service that can be done in one place in under an hour, and could potentially save the functionality of his hand if there is really something wrong. For only $300 yet he wants to bitch about it!

There's no reason that single adult male that doesn't have any major disabilities shouldn't have $300 on hand for an emergency. I looked at the rest of this guys blog and he talks about taking trips to vegas, playing 2/5 live, and having recreational drug habits. Not to mention he has the time to post 13k times on an internet forum for a game he's not even successful at, play video games, and recite terrible poetry on video. Nothing wrong with any of that, but if he wants to do all that and then turn around and complain when he can't afford a paltry $300 bill then he shouldn't get any sympathy. What's even worse is that he places the blame on society and wealth disparity, give me a fucking break.


Easy for everyone on the outside of the industry to say that everyone in healthcare should work for way less than their value, after getting into a field that requires more education and training than almost any other. On top of that, the reason that they should charge less is because they are worth more? Tell that to any other industry and prepare to get laughed at. It's a ridiculous premise

On October 05 2011 11:01 Kapol wrote: Show nested quote + On October 05 2011 10:54 devon06atX wrote: i would have thought your university would offer some sort of healthcare insurance? This.

The system in the USA seems to make us pay for healthcare - they offer a plan, but you have to pay for it separately from tuition. At least that's how every college I've been to was.

Night you're right, we're getting screwed. All of us. 99% of us as they're saying on wall st, and they're very right. Let's go join em and take our anger out that way. I'm heading to the Occupy Denver rally on Sat

On October 06 2011 22:40 MJD wrote: Palak that's what it costs, plain and simple. Again I ask what do you think would be fair? That's not an intro price, that's a visit, radiology, a diagnosis, and a prescription and/or treatment plan. If an acute injury like that responds to conservative treatment you may not even need to go in for a follow up. It is an amazing service that can be done in one place in under an hour, and could potentially save the functionality of his hand if there is really something wrong. For only $300 yet he wants to bitch about it! There's no reason that single adult male that doesn't have any major disabilities shouldn't have $300 on hand for an emergency. I looked at the rest of this guys blog and he talks about taking trips to vegas, playing 2/5 live, and having recreational drug habits. Not to mention he has the time to post 13k times on an internet forum for a game he's not even successful at, play video games, and recite terrible poetry on video. Nothing wrong with any of that, but if he wants to do all that and then turn around and complain when he can't afford a paltry $300 bill then he shouldn't get any sympathy. What's even worse is that he places the blame on society and wealth disparity, give me a fucking break. Easy for everyone on the outside of the industry to say that everyone in healthcare should work for way less than their value, after getting into a field that requires more education and training than almost any other. On top of that, the reason that they should charge less is because they are worth more? Tell that to any other industry and prepare to get laughed at. It's a ridiculous premise

Free is a fair price for a college student, healthcare should be automatically covered either through the gov't or through college's outrageous tuition fees which already force practically all the students to leave with at least 50k and in many cases over 100k in debt.

My undergrad charged $700 for health insurance per year, not unreasonable at all. Student loans do suck but I think if you're smart about where you go and are willing to work through school then you can keep it under control. My parents made it clear while I was in high school that I was going to have to take care of my education costs so I started working when I was 15 and went into college with about $20k. I went to an instate school that charged about $8k a year for tuition, and I worked part time all 4 years I was there. I left with less than $10k in debt.

I'm not saying that to praise myself or anything, just pointing out that it is possible for a young adult to take control of their finances and get a decently priced education. I also know that I sound like one of those 'pull yourself up by your bootstraps' assholes. It just seems like many people in my generation, men especially, remain children until they are about 35 and have a uniquely American sense of entitlement. I have a huge problem with people who are supposed to be grown men wasting time smoking weed and playing video games while they are broke, then wanting society to pay for their bills.

Despite whatever you may believe about the true cost of healthcare services, why is it that the US is the only 1st world nation that still charges out the ass for it? And please dont say it's because ours is any better than theirs.

The problem is American healthcare is still a for-profit system. Should our military be for-profit? Should our civilian defense agencies be for profit? Should road and infrastructure be for profit? Healthcare is a vital service and we need our citizens able-bodied and healthy. We should not be so directly profiting off of peoples sickness. Plus they charge obscene amounts for it anyway. I wouldnt object to insurance companies making profit if it werent to tune of billions of dollars every few months. CLEARLY they are overcharging if they are making that kind of money. If your car breaks down you have the option of not repairing it. If your body breaks down you die. Seeing dollar signs on the ill is disgusting.

By that logic homebuilders shouldn't make profits, energy companies shouldn't make profits, the food industry shouldn't make profits, etc. You need a house just as much as you need healthcare.

Not to mention that with the absolutely fantastic job the government is doing with those programs you listed I'm surprised you'd be willing to throw healthcare under their guidance as well.

LOL seriously? Cant believe people are saying paying 310 is okay for an xray, its fucking retarded, here most xrays are almost free because that way you get diagnosed faster and dont wait till your condition worsens and it becomes more expensive. But even without any kind of health plan a hand xray its like $40. And this is fucking southamerica.

I seriously cant understands america sometimes.

Do you realize the absurdity of comparing the price of something in the US vs Chile?

My understanding of the chilean healthcare system is that it was one of the most inefficient, disparate, and backwards systems in the world until it was privatized under Pinochet.

Obv I'm on the side of palak and k2o4 etc here.

On October 08 2011 17:09 MJD wrote: By that logic homebuilders shouldn't make profits, energy companies shouldn't make profits, the food industry shouldn't make profits, etc. You need a house just as much as you need healthcare. Not to mention that with the absolutely fantastic job the government is doing with those programs you listed I'm surprised you'd be willing to throw healthcare under their guidance as well.

By that logic if you lose an arm you should be able to just go to your neighborhood 7/11 and buy another one once you can afford it. The human body is not disposable, a house is. And I ask again, why is every other first world nation able to do this but we cant?