Girah - scammer - Page 3

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just skimmed this but i hope sauce isn't involved in anything sketchy i always thought he seemed like a good guy.

don't care about haseeb and jungleman

this blows.

uhh i might be misssing some stuff cuz all i read was the OP's of all those threads and such. but unless im mistaken they arent saying hes a bad player? apparently he is a decent player but he just resorted to scamming people. where are these other conclusions coming from? and fwiw if i were hasseb and i had become a friend with such a person and he was my housemate. and started scamming everyone on LP it would be tough to not be directly associated with that behavior. Its shitty situation if its what i think it is because now dogishead could be partially blamed. Just my opinion but i might be wrong about all this. can someone who really read a lot give some more cronologically accurate factual details and better explain peoples roles in this?

On August 07 2011 19:23 DooMeR wrote: uhh i might be misssing some stuff cuz all i read was the OP's of all those threads and such. but unless im mistaken they arent saying hes a bad player? apparently he is a decent player but he just resorted to scamming people. where are these other conclusions coming from? and fwiw if i were hasseb and i had become a friend with such a person and he was my housemate. and started scamming everyone on LP it would be tough to not be directly associated with that behavior. Its shitty situation if its what i think it is because now dogishead could be partially blamed. Just my opinion but i might be wrong about all this. can someone who really read a lot give some more cronologically accurate factual details and better explain peoples roles in this?

they are saying he sucks also. There was graph where he has mediocre NL1000 6m results, and 3- people that sweated him he was just plain bad in a lot of poker aspects and shaky in basic spots where a great player shouldn't be.
His HEM results are apparently 100% faked by adding at least 1 player that's not him through HEM alias function...

On August 07 2011 19:39 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Show nested quote + On August 07 2011 19:23 DooMeR wrote: uhh i might be misssing some stuff cuz all i read was the OP's of all those threads and such. but unless im mistaken they arent saying hes a bad player? apparently he is a decent player but he just resorted to scamming people. where are these other conclusions coming from? and fwiw if i were hasseb and i had become a friend with such a person and he was my housemate. and started scamming everyone on LP it would be tough to not be directly associated with that behavior. Its shitty situation if its what i think it is because now dogishead could be partially blamed. Just my opinion but i might be wrong about all this. can someone who really read a lot give some more cronologically accurate factual details and better explain peoples roles in this? they are saying he sucks also. There was graph where he has mediocre NL1000 6m results, and 3- people that sweated him he was just plain bad in a lot of poker aspects and shaky in basic spots where a great player shouldn't be. His HEM results are apparently 100% faked by adding at least 1 player that's not him through HEM alias function...

o wow...

On August 07 2011 14:23 Mortensen8 wrote: + Show Spoiler + Show nested quote + On August 07 2011 12:10 byrnesam wrote: +1 for Olys theory. I think they decided to mess around with the HEM stuff and try and troll the community into thinking he was some HU wizard using their reputations as leverage. I really want to know why Haseeb was involved with him. I think Jungleman is probably relatively innocent, as good as he is at poker hes pretty bad at interacting socially and was probably pretty naive about the whole thing and when he was told to trust this guy he just went with the flow. Haseebs first post in the thread about it is pretty vague and he pulls the old "too busy" excuse http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=28027437&postcount=584 Seems like Haseeb has something to hide. Didn't haaseeb busto against isildur? It would make his motives clearer if he didn't have much capital to his name.

I had forgotten about this.

He also lost $300k to Ashman in the running propbet

And I liked his video but it was the most scripted poker video I have ever seen, generally the better the player the less he prepares for instructional video, NL200 breakeven regs have powerpoints and sick structure prepared, good regs and people have general outline and sickos like galfond or giggy guy play and say stuff they feel like it would be fun saying, because they know they are very good.

Girah pretty much read it from a script and every detail was pre-determined

iirc this all goes back to January when some of the first information about Girah was discussed. DogIsHead was one of the first people to come out in support of him and since then, other HS players have vouched for Girah's poker skills, etc.

I know this kid and have been talking to him for a while. His name is José, he approached me a while back for coaching (I'm not the aforementioned coach in this thread). He seemed extremely intelligent and hardworking. He told me that he studied poker 3 hours a day every day, just reviewing hands and breaking down his opponents. He said that in a matter of six months from when he started poker, he had gone from a micro stakes bankroll to becoming one of the biggest winners at 5/10-10/20 6-max and was trying to break his way into the 25/50 games. Now, in 2006 or 2005 you heard those kinds of stories often enough... but in 2010, that's an unbelievable progression up the stakes. And as if that weren't amazing enough, on top of all that - he was 17 years old. I've talked to José quite a bit and have given him a lot of advice on various things, but since the very first moment I met this him, I knew he was a prodigy. I remember Sauce saying that he was probably on the road to becoming one of the strongest players in poker. AFAIK, he's approached both Sauce and Jungleman for coaching, and has tremendous knowledge and dedication to the game. Right now on American sites he's pretty unknown, but this kid has just turned 18 and is now positioned to take a serious run at the top of the poker world.

This story obviously made people pay attention, because since then people have been searching for more info about this guy, looking for his actual accounts and trying to find out if his story checks out. Needless to say, a lot of people in the poker community were skeptical.

Recently, it was discovered that multiple people played on his Lock account and won a contest, resulting in him being disqualified. A lot of rumors exist about this guy, but I'm not sure exactly what has been proven yet. Here is a strange post from a self-banned 2p2 mod(not sure if that was his exact title).

What would Ockham's Razor suggest? 1. Girah is Jose Macedo, who moved up to HS games very quickly and has had great success at a young age. When asked why he was DQ from rake race for violating Lock Poker's T&Cs, he explained his backer was caught playing on his account without his knowledge. 2. Girah is indeed a Portugese person, but he is merely a puppet for a cabal of high stakes poker players who made a fake webpage to represent him, devised a fake bio for him, ghost wrote extended posts attributed to him, and coached him how to answer poker-related question in extended live interviews. When he was caught with someone else playing on his account and explained it was his backer who has access to his account as part of their staking agreement, he was clearly lying because he has copies of the hand histories from that session, plus Lock Poker did not come out and explicitly state that he was telling the truth, and have made no public comment on what rules he violated, providing even more evidence that his story is concocted. We don't know what really happened, but since he has refused to really tell us, and insists on sticking to his original story, he is even shadier, because why wouldn't he tell us the truth unless he has something dastardly to hide. Instead, he continues to claim he was telling the truth all along, and instead of proving it, merely offers to put up a few measly $100k to back his side of the story. Furthermore, he is really young and hasn't been playing poker for very long, so there is no way he could actually be playing the stakes he is playing. He is obviously some sort of front for HS poker players. At first, it was believed that only Haseeb Qureshi behind the whole thing, but now it has become apparant that, in addition to Haseeb, Dan “Jungleman12” Cates and Ben "Sauce123" Sulsky are invovled, and all three of them are likely playing on his account, either through a VPN or by ghosting, as these players are unable to get much action playing on their own accounts, and since Black Friday, have been unable to play online at all (though Ben Sulsky may have some ties to Canada). However, it seems this cabal is not limited to the three consipirators names above. Other well-known poker players have come out in support of Girah/Jose Macedo, providing further proof that the conspiracy goes much deeper than we ever believed.

Nolan is a smart guy.

why would a Portuguese be good at poker in the first place , also all the "I have 751 pages of notes on videos and player notes" stuff sounded pretty fishy, not really something a poker genius would do, not to that extent at least

Guys, hey guys.


He already told his mom.


Stop the hating!

this is serious federal prison shit O.O

Now I get it, it's crazy how famous names can give people so much credit, even online (not to mention that they are famous for playing a zero-sum that doesn't benefit society, no offense). I wonder how Kobe would have handled his rape charges if he didn't play like god that season....

On August 07 2011 20:08 lucifer wrote: Guys, hey guys. He already told his mom. Stop the hating!

how can he tell his mom. lol

yeah seems like a little lie gone wild (+1 to oly's theory and that was initially my thoughts about this too)
such a great and interesting story though for the bored like me. yesterday when i was just skimming through 2p2 i came across the new thread about this guy and thought "fuck i better post this breaking news before someone beats me to it" the thread comments there are pure gold and funny as hell

they made a new thread coz the old one was getting so derailed already
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/...odigy-jose-girah-macedo-scam-1079792/

again... this blows

On August 07 2011 18:53 bigredhoss wrote: just skimmed this but i hope sauce isn't involved in anything sketchy i always thought he seemed like a good guy. don't care about haseeb and jungleman

Of the 3 sauce is the least guilty (virtually innocent) I think he was caught in the wake.

He said all he did was confirm that Girah was a real person and that theyd talked on skype - this was back when people thought it was a joke/level.

It was Jungle and DIH that really promoted this guy and spouted all the stuff about him being amazing / beast / prodigy, that he had been taken under JMs wing and was being trained and built his reputation up to the point where he was getting Lock sponsorship and a waiting list for people wanting coaching for $absurd/hr.

Of the 3, up to the point i had read last night Sauce was the only one who had actually defended himself and made an effort to dispell any of the misconceptions about him being involved. Jungleman/Haseeb were both 'too busy' which doesnt seem to fit the agenda of 2 HS pros having their reputations dragged to hell.

wow.. one big level gone bad.

edit: now i get it. read the cliffs. what a scam.

You're late to the party whamm!

On August 07 2011 17:48 LMS wrote: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/...odigy-jose-girah-macedo-scam-1079792/ "Short" cliff notes about the information revealed so far.

On August 07 2011 21:05 byrnesam wrote: Show nested quote + On August 07 2011 18:53 bigredhoss wrote: just skimmed this but i hope sauce isn't involved in anything sketchy i always thought he seemed like a good guy. don't care about haseeb and jungleman Of the 3 sauce is the least guilty (virtually innocent) I think he was caught in the wake. Of the 3, up to the point i had read last night Sauce was the only one who had actually defended himself and made an effort to dispell any of the misconceptions about him being involved. Jungleman/Haseeb were both 'too busy' which doesnt seem to fit the agenda of 2 HS pros having their reputations dragged to hell.

this.

i feel bad cause i semi jabbed at sauce in the 2p2 thread but as far as general logic is concerned he definitely seems to be behaving in the absolute least guilty manner of the three. he's not saying a lot but answering all inquiries promptly and concisely (which is personally what i think an innocent person would do)

and hes from new hampshire! awesome!