Girah - scammer - Page 2

what the fuck is this shit, I thought the guy was cancelled and fell out of the scene after OBV cheating/shilling his account after it being exposed in that tourny.

Jungleman, who ran the hottest in life ever for the past 1.5 years seems to be going on one crazy downswing as of late, freezing $5million, can't get into canada and now can't stay in portugal + being associated with a huge scammer.

On August 07 2011 10:31 Oly wrote: This is so fucking weird now that numerous others are saying he scammed them; it's like a spot where no value hands or bluffs make sense. My current theory, which makes as little sense as anything else but just for fun is: Jose was paid by jungle/sauce/pitf as a shill to allow them to multiaccount and play on euro sites as originally suspected, he then used the reputation he gained to go mad scamming on his own for small sums because he wasn't actually making that much himself. If anyone lays me 10-1 on this version I'll put a few hundo on it...

i think you're just about 1000% correct here.

i was gonna say it myself but didn't wanna make accusations on jungle/sauce/moloch publicly :/

Oly has a good theory, but how could he coach people/make strategy videos/etc without it getting noticed fast?

+1 for Olys theory. I think they decided to mess around with the HEM stuff and try and troll the community into thinking he was some HU wizard using their reputations as leverage.

I really want to know why Haseeb was involved with him. I think Jungleman is probably relatively innocent, as good as he is at poker hes pretty bad at interacting socially and was probably pretty naive about the whole thing and when he was told to trust this guy he just went with the flow.

Haseebs first post in the thread about it is pretty vague and he pulls the old "too busy" excuse

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=28027437&postcount=584

Seems like Haseeb has something to hide.

On August 07 2011 11:58 Surprise wrote: Oly has a good theory, but how could he coach people/make strategy videos/etc without it getting noticed fast?

if u watch Girah's video carefully, u will notice that, he is reading (what he says in the video) from somewhere

On August 07 2011 11:58 Surprise wrote: Oly has a good theory, but how could he coach people/make strategy videos/etc without it getting noticed fast?

Yeah, it's not like you can very persuasively pretend you are better than you actually are in poker just using words, phrases and small sample sizes.

No wait! You can, and half of poker coaches are doing it......

this is pretty much the worst form of cheating possible. whole story just doesnt make sense. not gonna make any accusations but someone in this thread from across the pond probably hit the nail on the head

http://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-foru...ge_kid_wins_1,6mln_%289bb_100%29.html

Reading this thread in hindsight is hilarious.

On March 03 2011 16:08 byrnesam wrote: There is so much bullshit in the poker world, and so much money to be made from fabricating a story that gets you noticed that i cant believe people arent more skeptical. Put him on the list with TexasLimitKing, PeachyMer and Jason Ho

ALLLLLLLEY OOOOOOOOOOP

On August 07 2011 12:16 ShLiM wrote: Show nested quote + On August 07 2011 11:58 Surprise wrote: Oly has a good theory, but how could he coach people/make strategy videos/etc without it getting noticed fast? if u watch Girah's video carefully, u will notice that, he is reading (what he says in the video) from somewhere

I was wondering about that, and that was one of the first things I thought of when I saw the tittle of this thread. I got flashes of his video up in my head "hmm, maybe something to do with him reading what he was saying in the video"

Hmm!!! Detective work is fun!

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Didn't haaseeb busto against isildur? It would make his motives clearer if he didn't have much capital to his name.

That would be the sickest story ever if this turns out to be a multi level scam done by busto high stakes players, who created a fake player using their reputation to conceal their attempt to steal money.

Im really looking how it will develop.

recent development:
Seems like at least Dogishead is involved for sure

So this is a very long thread and I am not going to read through all of it. Below is my account of everything that has happened. Girah invites me to a skype strategy group. This was probably a 4-6 weeks after black friday. During this time, I was playing very little poker and was almost non-existent in the group. I didn't participate in much strategy discussions nor any sweat sessions. At some point, I log in and Girah and Toocurious are talking about a fish named dollarman223. TooCurious mentions that this fish plays terribly preflop but seems to 'own' him postflop and that he plays 25-50+. Girah pushes me to play dollarman. TooCurious is horrible at poker, so I decide to play dollarman. We play a short session of 1 table of 25-50 where I end up winning. During this time Girah is messaging me on skype but not viewing my screen. Dollarman leaves only to return in a short while. We begin playing another session during which Girah presses me very hard to allow him to 'sweat' me via teamviwer. Reluctantly, I agree. I want to stress that this is the first and last time I have allowed anyone to 'sweat' me at my regular stakes. I have allowed students to watch me play much lower stakes and ask questions later - but that is where my 'sweating' experience ends. Dollarman and I play another short session, this time with Girah watching via TV. I run numerous suicide bluffs, all of which work and end up winning about 4k overall. Dollarman becomes 'tilted' and asks to play 50-100 deep. I decline. He asks to play at a different time and we exchange e-mails. Over the next 2 weeks, dollarman e-mails me several times asking to play 2 tables of 50-100 deep. Over the same time period, Jose becomes super insistent that I play dollarman and allow him to TV. It becomes almost an obsession for him. He is also insistent that TooCurious play dollarman and allow him to TV and that the European guys in the group who play on ipoker play sauron. This goes on until toocurious messages me and says he believes that Girah is cheating. It is decided that we contact ipoker and merge to try and collect some hard evidence and look for links between Girah and dollarman. One of the guys ends up contacting Sauce and Dogishead. While we waited for responses, one or more of the group members pressed Girah for information. I was not involved in any of the discussions with Girah, as I have had very little contact with him since TooCurious brought up these allegations but I did read through the chat transcripts that were posted. It was clear that Girah knew that he was caught as he had come up with a story that his 'real life frined' super used him. This story was sent to at least 3 people in the group, myself included. Following this he admitted to ToOCurious that dollarman and sauron are the same person and that it is his rich friend from school and that "sometimes" he played at his house. A bunch of other BS followed. The next day(?) Dogishead enters our skype chat and says that Girah confessed to him that this cheating took place. Prior to this, Girah did not confess to me nor anyone else within the group as far as I know. In any case, Dog says he will get back the money of those who lost it. In fact, he gave his word that if Jose didn't pay then he and Jungleman would. He then asks if we are going to go public with this and mentions that it's up to us, but he would rather it didn't go public. He mentions that they were going to go live with him...but if this gets out then they can't do that anymore...implying that if this wasn't outed they would still live together(?). He continues by taking on the role of big brother and almost defending Girah by saying that he's young and stupid and that while what he did was scummy, he doesn't think that he's a bad person and a whole bunch of other comments that rubbed me the wrong way. During these conversations, Dog admitted that both he and Jungleman back Girah for highstakes games. This leads me to believe that either Dog or Jungleman were the mysterious backer who logged in to play PLO during the Lock Challenge. Jose also mentioned that one of the ipoker accounts he uses is in Dog's name. To quote Dog "draw your own conclusions". Dog was very insistent that we hold off on making any posts before he had a chance to deal with this situation as both Jungle and him had "strong ties" to Jose. He also wanted us to wait and "confront" Jose and let him "explain himself" and other completely asinine kindergarten BS. It became apparent (at least to me) that the only thing Dog cared about was his reputation, not about what his "very close" friend did, not about the people who were cheated - only that he's not portrayed in any way that could damage him. He confirmed this yesterday when, upon learning that all of the above would be posted, came into the skype group and said that if this was mentioned, "there is NO way [they] can agree to bank transfer the money". According to Dog, in terms of reimbursement, Jungleman was going to bank wire funds to Moss who would distribute them to those who were cheated. I don't know if this is still the plan or if this has happened yet since I am not owed. It is a complete mess and it is possible that Girah may be repaying the funds via Lock.

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The next day(?) Dogishead enters our skype chat and says that Girah confessed to him that this cheating took place. Prior to this, Girah did not confess to me nor anyone else within the group as far as I know. In any case, Dog says he will get back the money of those who lost it. In fact, he gave his word that if Jose didn't pay then he and Jungleman would. He then asks if we are going to go public with this and mentions that it's up to us, but he would rather it didn't go public. He mentions that they were going to go live with him...but if this gets out then they can't do that anymore...implying that if this wasn't outed they would still live together(?). He continues by taking on the role of big brother and almost defending Girah by saying that he's young and stupid and that while what he did was scummy, he doesn't think that he's a bad person and a whole bunch of other comments that rubbed me the wrong way.

During these conversations, Dog admitted that both he and Jungleman back Girah for highstakes games. This leads me to believe that either Dog or Jungleman were the mysterious backer who logged in to play PLO during the Lock Challenge. Jose also mentioned that one of the ipoker accounts he uses is in Dog's name. To quote Dog "draw your own conclusions".

Dog was very insistent that we hold off on making any posts before he had a chance to deal with this situation as both Jungle and him had "strong ties" to Jose. He also wanted us to wait and "confront" Jose and let him "explain himself" and other completely asinine kindergarten BS.


It became apparent (at least to me) that the only thing Dog cared about was his reputation, not about what his "very close" friend did, not about the people who were cheated - only that he's not portrayed in any way that could damage him. He confirmed this yesterday when, upon learning that all of the above would be posted, came into the skype group and said that if this was mentioned, "there is NO way [they] can agree to bank transfer the money".

According to Dog, in terms of reimbursement, Jungleman was going to bank wire funds to Moss who would distribute them to those who were cheated. I don't know if this is still the plan or if this has happened yet since I am not owed. It is a complete mess and it is possible that Girah may be repaying the funds via Lock.




And once again the "haters" are proven right and common sense prevails. Nice work foxwood fiend on defending these guys and trying once again to throw the scent off the trail.
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Re: The Portuguese Poker Prodigy José “Girah” Macedo Scammed HSNL players for >$30,000 HSNL xpo
What we do know is this --- Jose shared passwords to his account with Haseeb/dogishead who logged in and played under that account, and Haseeb/DIH shared passwords to his accounts that Jose has used to scam players.

Wow.
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Re: The Portuguese Poker Prodigy José “Girah” Macedo Scammed HSNL players for >$30,000 HSNL xpo
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Originally Posted by JnyC View Post
So this is a very long thread and I am not going to read through all of it. Below is my account of everything that has happened.

Girah invites me to a skype strategy group. This was probably a 4-6 weeks after black friday. During this time, I was playing very little poker and was almost non-existent in the group. I didn't participate in much strategy discussions nor any sweat sessions.

At some point, I log in and Girah and Toocurious are talking about a fish named dollarman223. TooCurious mentions that this fish plays terribly preflop but seems to 'own' him postflop and that he plays 25-50+. Girah pushes me to play dollarman. TooCurious is horrible at poker, so I decide to play dollarman. We play a short session of 1 table of 25-50 where I end up winning. During this time Girah is messaging me on skype but not viewing my screen. Dollarman leaves only to return in a short while. We begin playing another session during which Girah presses me very hard to allow him to 'sweat' me via teamviwer. Reluctantly, I agree.

I want to stress that this is the first and last time I have allowed anyone to 'sweat' me at my regular stakes. I have allowed students to watch me play much lower stakes and ask questions later - but that is where my 'sweating' experience ends.


Dollarman and I play another short session, this time with Girah watching via TV. I run numerous suicide bluffs, all of which work and end up winning about 4k overall. Dollarman becomes 'tilted' and asks to play 50-100 deep. I decline. He asks to play at a different time and we exchange e-mails. Over the next 2 weeks, dollarman e-mails me several times asking to play 2 tables of 50-100 deep. Over the same time period, Jose becomes super insistent that I play dollarman and allow him to TV. It becomes almost an obsession for him. He is also insistent that TooCurious play dollarman and allow him to TV and that the European guys in the group who play on ipoker play sauron.

This goes on until toocurious messages me and says he believes that Girah is cheating. It is decided that we contact ipoker and merge to try and collect some hard evidence and look for links between Girah and dollarman. One of the guys ends up contacting Sauce and Dogishead.

While we waited for responses, one or more of the group members pressed Girah for information. I was not involved in any of the discussions with Girah, as I have had very little contact with him since TooCurious brought up these allegations but I did read through the chat transcripts that were posted. It was clear that Girah knew that he was caught as he had come up with a story that his 'real life frined' super used him. This story was sent to at least 3 people in the group, myself included. Following this he admitted to ToOCurious that dollarman and sauron are the same person and that it is his rich friend from school and that "sometimes" he played at his house. A bunch of other BS followed.

The next day(?) Dogishead enters our skype chat and says that Girah confessed to him that this cheating took place. Prior to this, Girah did not confess to me nor anyone else within the group as far as I know. In any case, Dog says he will get back the money of those who lost it. In fact, he gave his word that if Jose didn't pay then he and Jungleman would. He then asks if we are going to go public with this and mentions that it's up to us, but he would rather it didn't go public. He mentions that they were going to go live with him...but if this gets out then they can't do that anymore...implying that if this wasn't outed they would still live together(?). He continues by taking on the role of big brother and almost defending Girah by saying that he's young and stupid and that while what he did was scummy, he doesn't think that he's a bad person and a whole bunch of other comments that rubbed me the wrong way.

During these conversations, Dog admitted that both he and Jungleman back Girah for highstakes games. This leads me to believe that either Dog or Jungleman were the mysterious backer who logged in to play PLO during the Lock Challenge. Jose also mentioned that one of the ipoker accounts he uses is in Dog's name. To quote Dog "draw your own conclusions".

Dog was very insistent that we hold off on making any posts before he had a chance to deal with this situation as both Jungle and him had "strong ties" to Jose. He also wanted us to wait and "confront" Jose and let him "explain himself" and other completely asinine kindergarten BS.


It became apparent (at least to me) that the only thing Dog cared about was his reputation, not about what his "very close" friend did, not about the people who were cheated - only that he's not portrayed in any way that could damage him. He confirmed this yesterday when, upon learning that all of the above would be posted, came into the skype group and said that if this was mentioned, "there is NO way [they] can agree to bank transfer the money".

According to Dog, in terms of reimbursement, Jungleman was going to bank wire funds to Moss who would distribute them to those who were cheated. I don't know if this is still the plan or if this has happened yet since I am not owed. It is a complete mess and it is possible that Girah may be repaying the funds via Lock. "

girah is haseeb's and jungleman's shill imo

The more I try to reason out why anyone in their mind would go to these lengths, it just gets more fucking retarded. It's like celebrities that shop lift.

I can see why jungle/Dog/sauce would make Girah up so they can proxy on EU games, that seems pretty standard
I can see Girah being a loser who just wants to be like his "friends" and make money so resorts to scamming
I know Jungle man said in his Pokerstrategy interview from the other day, there was a surprise that they are all working on
I cannot see any real reason why Dog/Jungle would be a part of the money scamming, they don't need money they can get loans ez if Black Friday fucked them
It makes no sense why Jungle would ever wire money to people who his friend scammed, unless they had some big plan for Girah and they needed his reputation to stay clean so they were willing to go to any means to keep it from the public.

I guess my biggest question is, why do Dog/Jungle want Girah to not go public about this? (too late now) Who cares they proxy HU crushed Euros
Why would they want to protect a scammer and keep it secret? Some thoughts jump to, "well maybe they were scamming/going to scam too" but that is <1%, at least for jungle.

I think the reason why they wanted to keep it secret was they were moving in with him and are desperate to get a location/back into the games and don't want to wait even longer now to find somewhere else and they have some big plans with Pokerstrategy to launch some sort of Training thing.

So I think Jungle wasn't scamming, just trying to move forward with business plans, Girah obv scam and Dog, well that guy has proven to be corrupt but not sure how far he would go.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/...odigy-jose-girah-macedo-scam-1079792/

"Short" cliff notes about the information revealed so far.

is there a shadier character in poker than Qureshi? fuck him from now on ill assume he is a scammer unless proven otherwise

On August 07 2011 17:54 Baal wrote: is there a shadier character in poker than Qureshi? fuck him from now on ill assume he is a scammer unless proven otherwise

lol im glad that someone finally said it... i have always thought that this guy came off as super shady and def not trustworthy, but for some reason he receives a lot of respect on 2p2. i know that all the hs players are friends, but when i hear about how much they trust him it REALLY makes me question if the other guys are good ppl or scumbags.

lol I remember dogishead asking me to set up a party account with a euro name for him a couple of years back. This is shady stuff for sure.

Hilarious read.