Girah - scammer - Page 4

and who plays behind the sauron1989 and dollarman accounts?

If some jailtime potential were put in the mix, we'd prob see the whole 100% truth. Until that happens, I'd still be pretty suspicious of how deep this thing really goes. For now, what's at stake for this kid? Some ban on some forum and live poker events, he's got nothing to lose and it's really possible that he's still being told what to do and say to protect some other guys coz this is all just too weird to be the truth. Basically get this kid in with a cop interrogating him and im sure he'll sing like a bird in no time.

[03:01:50] Matthew Moss: so..
[03:01:53] Matthew Moss: if i dont mention you guys
[03:01:59] Matthew Moss: we get it via bank transfer
[03:02:05] Matthew Moss: if i do mention you guys
[03:02:07] Matthew Moss: we get it via lock
[03:02:08] Matthew Moss: ..?
[03:02:11] DOG: there is NO way we can agree to bank transfer you guys money
[03:02:17] DOG: if you are going to put our names in a public statement about all of this
DOG

On August 07 2011 11:51 nolan wrote: Show nested quote + On August 07 2011 10:31 Oly wrote: This is so fucking weird now that numerous others are saying he scammed them; it's like a spot where no value hands or bluffs make sense. My current theory, which makes as little sense as anything else but just for fun is: Jose was paid by jungle/sauce/pitf as a shill to allow them to multiaccount and play on euro sites as originally suspected, he then used the reputation he gained to go mad scamming on his own for small sums because he wasn't actually making that much himself. If anyone lays me 10-1 on this version I'll put a few hundo on it... i think you're just about 1000% correct here. i was gonna say it myself but didn't wanna make accusations on jungle/sauce/moloch publicly :/

wow... this could be it. don't know what to say. that's poker, i guess.

each one of these released skype conversations make Dog/JM look worse and worse imo. this still does not feel like the end of the rabbit hole though...

On August 07 2011 21:46 LemOn[5thF] wrote: [03:01:50] Matthew Moss: so.. [03:01:53] Matthew Moss: if i dont mention you guys [03:01:59] Matthew Moss: we get it via bank transfer [03:02:05] Matthew Moss: if i do mention you guys [03:02:07] Matthew Moss: we get it via lock [03:02:08] Matthew Moss: ..? [03:02:11] DOG: there is NO way we can agree to bank transfer you guys money [03:02:17] DOG: if you are going to put our names in a public statement about all of this DOG

wat omg

On August 07 2011 20:07 MiPwnYa wrote: why would a Portuguese be good at poker in the first place

lol sooo true.

Originally Posted by sergeisergei So the background basically is that Dog Is Head created this whole Poker Prodigy theme over Jose, who in reality is a mediocore midstakes reg. This Portuguese guy exists obviously and plays some poker, but "girah", the highstakes uber pro, is just creation of atleast DIH and maybe some other guys (tho DIHs storytelling skills are just, lets say, too awesome for this to not be his idea) People would rail/get coaching from Jose(not "girah" and think he is just some regular guy, like he is, making ton of mistakes and being unsure what to do in simple spots. Then in Skype DIH or someone would takeover "girah" role and write all of the highlevel strat conversations. Same goes for the training video he made that was clearly written for him, as even Jose himself was a bit unsure what he was saying. And for 2p2 posts (yes IP's probably track him to Portugal, but have you thought about him copy-pasteing stuff that "someone else" wrote to him) Jose is just the face of "girah", while in the background there's guys who are using his reputation, his accessability to Euro sites, and him being him to a) gain more money b) getting jungleman to play durrr. Everything just fell apart when Jose himself went on and scammed people who thought this was the real "girah". What you should realise is that this Jose guy isn't the same person, the guy who you thought would never scam you just because he's got this high-level poker-mind, because, well, he isn't "girah". He's just the face of it.

This is the scenario I lean to right now, sounds really plausible.

i love the title btw "Girah - scammer"

LOL

yeah it's good mods changed it, i typed an long title and it read "Girah poker..." and my computer froze and left the house went to sleep where i had no internet.

JM looks HORRIBLE here.

does anyone else find it fishy that girah challenged durrrr to a hu challenge? to me that looks like haseeb/jungleman about to do a much much much worse and actually illegal/unethical version of what cts/stinger/townsend did to isildur.

faggots

This is getting juicier by the minute. Danggg

This is horrible press for these dudes. No way to get around this train wreck now

why did JM/sauce get such a random guy from portugal to make them a euro account. Surely they could have known much more trustworthy europeans to do this with. family, real friends or other high stakes european players they've known for a while would have been better. This story just doesn't make sense to me!

JM's statement:

Here is my side of the story: About a week ago kjemmy on 2+2 messaged me saying he thought Jose was scamming him and his friends, with a lengthy explanation... I told Haseeb about it and he said Jose had mentioned something about sauron1989/dollarman as well, to be honest I did not inquire that much because I thought it was basically impossible for Jose to be pulling such a scam. Later in Gibraltar, Haseeb talks with Jose and the victims and actually suspects Jose is scamming based on how he is responding, and gets a confession out of him. Incoming ****storm... Haseeb and I know a bunch of crazy **** is about to go down on 2+2 and, given our public relationship withJose, want to basically stay out of Jose's crucifixion (well so much for that). Hence the chat logs trying to convince the victimsnot to talk about us... As for the payment we owed Jose money and would rather pay the victims than give Jose the money because it seems more fair. Once again, Haseeb and I have nothing to do with Jose's dumbass actions. On another note, I didn't like the way Jose seemed to like to build hype for himself: challenging durrrr in the durrrr challenge, taking the isildur challenge, offering to play anyone giving 1bb back at 200/400--basically suggesting he's better than he was in ways that he could not back up. I've always been a proponent of the idea that respect should follow from being worthy of respect, not vice versa--something that Jose's actions contradicted. Lastly it's a bit exaggerated to say he was my protege, indeed I did coach him but for maybe a couple of sessions at best in addition to answering questions. Many others are my protege moreso according to the time I've given them. For his actions, Jose should burn on his own. I am not involved in this ****storm. Also, Haseeb will be commenting shortly/writing a blog post shortly to explain everything.

On August 07 2011 23:51 Daut wrote: JM looks HORRIBLE here. does anyone else find it fishy that girah challenged durrrr to a hu challenge? to me that looks like haseeb/jungleman about to do a much much much worse and actually illegal/unethical version of what cts/stinger/townsend did to isildur.

wow. it looks like that's what they were planning on doing.. :/ hate scumbag scammers

On August 08 2011 00:59 k4ir0s wrote: Show nested quote + On August 07 2011 23:51 Daut wrote: JM looks HORRIBLE here. does anyone else find it fishy that girah challenged durrrr to a hu challenge? to me that looks like haseeb/jungleman about to do a much much much worse and actually illegal/unethical version of what cts/stinger/townsend did to isildur. wow. it looks like that's what they were planning on doing.. :/ hate scumbag scammers

so maybe jungleman playing durrrr challenge is actually jungleman/dogishead/sauce1234 vs durrrr?

my favorite quote

05/08/2011 17:43:08] josé maria macedo: man matthew, dont make this weigh into your decision and im not trying to threaten or anything like that because its obv not like that. but honestly, i would actually rather die than it go public

@brianchastings Read the Macedo stuff, have a bunch to add later. Will address in full later on 2p2/blog. So disgusting tho, wakeup call as to trusting ppl