Girah - scammer - Page 8

yeah this looks incredibly bad on haseeb at this point. a lot of social engineering exposed on the forums by accounts that are confirmed to share the same IP as girah's acc also.

tbh I think there is a poster or 3 in the NVG thread which are shills on haseeb's side. or they're some kind of sick trolls. I don't really know much about nvg...

On August 08 2011 18:36 whamm! wrote: there's also the homosexual angle. lol

hahahaha

So can someone explain the angle of why Jungle/haseeb would have in doing all this just to use Girah's account to multi account?

Wouldn't it be 10 times easier to just use VPN and do it yourself? What's the upside in getting the very good at investigating 2+2 community involved? As well as getting someone like Girah involved who could always threaten to spill the beans if he doesn't get more money? As well as the fact that calling him a poker prodigy would get them a lot less action.

On August 08 2011 18:36 whamm! wrote: there's also the homosexual angle. lol

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On August 08 2011 20:14 byrnesam wrote: RE: Girahs english I read that he attends an international school in Portugal, so all his lessons etc are in english. I know a guy who was educated at an international school in Dubai and he has a very similar "Americanized" accent

i attended an international school too and i have never met a single Mexican in my life who spoke better English than i do (obviously not counting the ones who have lived in the US).

Believe me, there is NO way a guy from portugal can speak that flawlessly, hell it would be difficult to believe that shit even from an Scandinavian... that guy from Portugal? fucking obvious bs.

dogishead must be going... "damn we should've worked on his accent."

On August 08 2011 23:08 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On August 08 2011 20:14 byrnesam wrote: RE: Girahs english I read that he attends an international school in Portugal, so all his lessons etc are in english. I know a guy who was educated at an international school in Dubai and he has a very similar "Americanized" accent i attended an international school too and i have never met a single Mexican in my life who spoke better English than i do (obviously not counting the ones who have lived in the US). Believe me, there is NO way a guy from portugal can speak that flawlessly, hell it would be difficult to believe that shit even from an Scandinavian... that guy from Portugal? fucking obvious bs.

ya but man, you're completely neglecting the fact that.. well.. you're mexican

don't call em mexicant's for nothing (har har.. weak joke, i know)

As fucked up as this whole situation is, i find the BIG fucking fact people are over-looking (if it's true as stated) is that dogishead was 95% backed when he got hacked for 200k.

i'll repeat that. he got hacked for 200k while only possibly suffering 5% loss.

combine that w/ his multi-accounting, his change of 'identification' to get closer to a certain high-stakes player... what the fuck.

i'm not quite certain where jungle fits in, i'm just guessing since he's a social idiot (likewise, poker savant), he's just too fucking dense to understand what's going on.

i believe as of now, DIH's reputation is done. Too much 'if's' surrounding it.

I still can't believe people aren't hiring local crews to go and break some legs.

edit: btw, props to ashman for hussling this fucker

On August 08 2011 23:08 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On August 08 2011 20:14 byrnesam wrote: RE: Girahs english I read that he attends an international school in Portugal, so all his lessons etc are in english. I know a guy who was educated at an international school in Dubai and he has a very similar "Americanized" accent i attended an international school too and i have never met a single Mexican in my life who spoke better English than i do (obviously not counting the ones who have lived in the US). Believe me, there is NO way a guy from portugal can speak that flawlessly, hell it would be difficult to believe that shit even from an Scandinavian... that guy from Portugal? fucking obvious bs.

I have known multiple people who spoke as good or better english then him without having ever stepped foot in America more then 24 before I met them. However it is rather rare, but nothing to just auto disqualify.

it happens in some countries like the philippines. i dunno about portugal though , since its mostly of spanish influence?

Has a lot to do with how much they speak english outside of school and to ppl from other countries. If he's been speaking english to people from America via skype for a while before this interview then I can easily see him having good english. If however he had been speaking mainly Portuguese or english to other Portuguese ppl outside of school then I would be extremely surprised with his accent.

On August 09 2011 01:32 palak wrote: Has a lot to do with how much they speak english outside of school and to ppl from other countries. If he's been speaking english to people from America via skype for a while before this interview then I can easily see him having good english. If however he had been speaking mainly Portuguese or english to other Portuguese ppl outside of school then I would be extremely surprised with his accent.

No rofl, this is idiotic how many languages do you speak anyway so you can talk about how easy is to master other language?

Have a few skype conversations... flawless english rofl.

You could live 20 year in mexico and you would still have a strong american accent, and its not only about his accent, i probably have an eve better accent but its about how he is absolutely fluent, nobody who hasnt spent years speaking it 24/7 could ever speak like that.

Apparently you claim you know people who are even better.... well how about you show me a single famous poker player that has never lived in an English speaking country that speaks better than this kind... just ONE out of the hundreds of pro poker players.

Agreed with Baal here, there is no way he didint live in English speaking country look at Pokerstrategy interview.

Dont be silly baal, of course you dont have to have lived in an english speaking country to be able to speak like that. Not saying its common(def not for some portugese dude) but its not impossible.

i'm not quite certain where jungle fits in, i'm just guessing since he's a social idiot (likewise, poker savant), he's just too fucking dense to understand what's going on.

i'm not commenting on what level of involvement/guilt jungleman might have since i haven't really digested everything, but i think the idea some people have that because he's socially awkward means he's less likely to be capable of being involved in any kind of deceitful activity is wrong. imo saying he's "too dense" to understand what's going on is a misunderstanding of what makes otherwise intelligent people socially awkward.

On August 09 2011 03:43 SakiSaki wrote: Dont be silly baal, of course you dont have to have lived in an english speaking country to be able to speak like that. Not saying its common(def not for some portugese dude) but its not impossible.

i know its not literally impossible, but it is something extremely unlikely especially when we are talking about Portugal, a country with almost non existent English influence and a strong accent.

I even mentioned if he were scandinavian then its more beliavable, but Portugese? no fucking way, also this combined that he now is a self admitted thief, and everything around him is extremely shade makes it even less likely.

It is naive to assume otherwise as, i simply choose to wager on the overwhelmingly more likely scenario.

On August 09 2011 04:18 bigredhoss wrote: Show nested quote + i'm not quite certain where jungle fits in, i'm just guessing since he's a social idiot (likewise, poker savant), he's just too fucking dense to understand what's going on. i'm not commenting on what level of involvement/guilt jungleman might have since i haven't really digested everything, but i think the idea some people have that because he's socially awkward means he's less likely to be capable of being involved in any kind of deceitful activity is wrong. imo saying he's "too dense" to understand what's going on is a misunderstanding of what makes otherwise intelligent people socially awkward.

This, i mean Jungleman might be a nerd but calling him a savant is a ridiculous exaggeration, he even seems quite articulate and semi-comfortable in interviews.

Actually even Galfond looks and sounds more socially awkward than him.

What i (and probably everyone else) find odd about Jungle's involvement in this is that he is extremely rich and has huge poker skill (Unlike Haseeb who has been losing lately and had big swings etc etc), so why would he be involved in such a tiny scam.

Not sure if he was in for the multi-account... sounds to complex, it would have been easier to just create phantom accounts in the first place.

there's been rumors floating around that JM has 6m usd in FTP locked up.
there's always the fake "christiano ronaldo" guy on FTP who was advertised as a whale lol
JM def gets a lot less action and its in his best interest to play anonymously if he could

theres a couple more shit i read but that whole thread has already exploded twice and the gems just get postbeat to no end.

On August 09 2011 05:03 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2011 04:18 bigredhoss wrote:   i'm not quite certain where jungle fits in, i'm just guessing since he's a social idiot (likewise, poker savant), he's just too fucking dense to understand what's going on. i'm not commenting on what level of involvement/guilt jungleman might have since i haven't really digested everything, but i think the idea some people have that because he's socially awkward means he's less likely to be capable of being involved in any kind of deceitful activity is wrong. imo saying he's "too dense" to understand what's going on is a misunderstanding of what makes otherwise intelligent people socially awkward. This, i mean Jungleman might be a nerd but calling him a savant is a ridiculous exaggeration, he even seems quite articulate and semi-comfortable in interviews. Actually even Galfond looks and sounds more socially awkward than him. What i (and probably everyone else) find odd about Jungle's involvement in this is that he is extremely rich and has huge poker skill (Unlike Haseeb who has been losing lately and had big swings etc etc), so why would he be involved in such a tiny scam. Not sure if he was in for the multi-account... sounds to complex, it would have been easier to just create phantom accounts in the first place.

i think jungle just wanted a friend and Haseeb and Jose are basically con men and sucked him in

re: the english conversation. what it comes down to is when he learned english. it seems people who learn a language before the age of 13 dont end up with an accent and if you learn after 13 you always have one. if he was learning english from an early age and becoming decently fluent by the time he was 13 its possible, but still tough considering that even someone like raszi has an accent and he speaks close to the best english of any non native i know. not to mention he knows ~5 languages and is probably a much better language learner than jose.

the entire thing is just very very fishy in every possible way, to the point of not knowing what to make of it. literally no explanation makes sense to me at this point.

for a while i actually thought this scamming story was some elaborate set up to get rid of girah by DIH/JM, but i dont think thats possible when so many people with high post counts come out of the woodwork saying they got scammed.

Baal, people are referring to Jungleman as an idiot savant - in that he excels at poker but comes across as borderline retarded in other areas. Phil Galfond is a little awkward, but he is articulate and usually interviews well. Jungle comes across like hes on another planet.

This article gives a pretty good insight.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/27/magazine/mag-27Poker-t.html?_r=1

I noted our luck in finding a seat on Valentine’s Day. Without a trace of irony, Cates, who speaks in the halting cadence most often associated with World of Warcraft group chats, asked, “Why would a restaurant be any more crowded on Valentine’s Day?”

He describes his childhood as “weird, a bit aloof and mostly spent alone.”

For the next 10 minutes, we sat in the driveway of the modest Orlando condo he shared with two roommates as he fumbled around with the Bluetooth-iPhone sync-up... The next five minutes were spent trying to find a decent driving song. He ended up choosing a recent dance-hall mash-up of various tunes from the Super Mario video-game series.

Cates was flying to Austin, Tex., to see a “specialist in human interactions.” This specialist had promised to help Cates understand the nuances of body language in social situations.

What i believe (and others do too) is that Jungleman considers Haseeb his friend and is currently swallowing whatever lies hes being fed and probably feels too emotionally invested in their relationship to question the validity of what hes being told. Given the story about Haseeb creating the close relationship with MDMA through deception behind a new alias, hes easilly capable of pulling Junglemans strings to fit his own agenda.