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are you from the past? its like a week old, gtfo sir

On December 19 2009 03:46 dogmeat wrote: are you from the past?

i do believe hes from UK, not CZ
ur from the past.

PTR blows

On December 19 2009 03:54 anarki wrote: PTR blows

I didn't know about this, and I think PTR is better than nothing!

Thank you Genjix

i think this site is the nuts

On December 19 2009 04:30 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On December 19 2009 03:54 anarki wrote: PTR blows

On December 19 2009 03:54 anarki wrote: PTR blows

why u guyz hatin on PTR? i think it fucking rocks

On December 19 2009 08:59 Critterer wrote: why u guyz hatin on PTR? i think it fucking rocks

It does well what its supposed to do

but what its supposed to do is not that "good"

i believe that there are a bunch of people on this site that do not want their results freely available

On December 19 2009 09:55 bane wrote: i believe that there are a bunch of people on this site that do not want their results freely available

I don't get why?

On December 19 2009 03:54 anarki wrote: PTR blows

On December 19 2009 10:40 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Show nested quote + On December 19 2009 09:55 bane wrote: i believe that there are a bunch of people on this site that do not want their results freely available I don't get why?

Cos people can no longer lie about their results.

its nobodys business what youre making or losing. not only is it horrible for privacy but its also horrible for the games when losers are outed and publically mocked, and when people are more easily given a reality check that will discourage action. site really needs to be shut down for the good of the game

On December 19 2009 11:23 Ket wrote: its nobodys business what youre making or losing. not only is it horrible for privacy but its also horrible for the games when losers are outed and publically mocked, and when people are more easily given a reality check that will discourage action. site really needs to be shut down for the good of the game

100% agree

On December 19 2009 11:23 Ket wrote: its nobodys business what youre making or losing. not only is it horrible for privacy but its also horrible for the games when losers are outed and publically mocked, and when people are more easily given a reality check that will discourage action. site really needs to be shut down for the good of the game

On December 19 2009 11:23 Ket wrote: its nobodys business what youre making or losing. not only is it horrible for privacy but its also horrible for the games when losers are outed and publically mocked, and when people are more easily given a reality check that will discourage action. site really needs to be shut down for the good of the game

Absolutely.

Actually few days ago I asked them if I have the right to hide my stats (I thought I have it, no?) but they said that my request "has been sent to our development team as a possible future enhancement."

On December 19 2009 11:23 Ket wrote: its nobodys business what youre making or losing. not only is it horrible for privacy but its also horrible for the games when losers are outed and publically mocked, and when people are more easily given a reality check that will discourage action. site really needs to be shut down for the good of the game

Yep.

Fucking PTR... will is realistically every be shut down? I seriously don't think so..

On December 19 2009 11:23 Ket wrote: its nobodys business what youre making or losing. not only is it horrible for privacy but its also horrible for the games when losers are outed and publically mocked, and when people are more easily given a reality check that will discourage action. site really needs to be shut down for the good of the game

right on!

(throws molotov cocktail at the PTR building)

PTR is like the facebook of poker.

On December 19 2009 11:23 Ket wrote: its nobodys business what youre making or losing. not only is it horrible for privacy but its also horrible for the games when losers are outed and publically mocked, and when people are more easily given a reality check that will discourage action. site really needs to be shut down for the good of the game

agree

from my own point of view, i think ptr is very interesting
but you cant really disagree with ket's point if you think about it objectively

On December 19 2009 11:23 Ket wrote: its nobodys business what youre making or losing. not only is it horrible for privacy but its also horrible for the games when losers are outed and publically mocked, and when people are more easily given a reality check that will discourage action. site really needs to be shut down for the good of the game

On December 19 2009 13:15 lazymej wrote: PTR is like the facebook of poker.

facebook is the facebook of poker.. since all poker players (and everyone else) has facebook

On December 19 2009 12:37 Syntax wrote: Show nested quote + On December 19 2009 11:23 Ket wrote: its nobodys business what youre making or losing. not only is it horrible for privacy but its also horrible for the games when losers are outed and publically mocked, and when people are more easily given a reality check that will discourage action. site really needs to be shut down for the good of the game Yep. Fucking PTR... will is realistically every be shut down? I seriously don't think so..

It'll probably become a pay site sooner or later..for better or worse. I guess I have mixed feelings about it. When I first started using the buddy list I thought it was the nuts, but now I could live w/o it. I'm pretty sure I'd survive, anyway. Maybe they really can add some type of privacy feature.... but the whole hand history/data mining business they have going...now that seems to be crossing the line...but I"m guessing this sort of thing has been going on for years, no?

BAD IDEA SON

On December 19 2009 15:21 hoylemj wrote: Show nested quote + On December 19 2009 12:37 Syntax wrote:   On December 19 2009 11:23 Ket wrote: its nobodys business what youre making or losing. not only is it horrible for privacy but its also horrible for the games when losers are outed and publically mocked, and when people are more easily given a reality check that will discourage action. site really needs to be shut down for the good of the game Yep. Fucking PTR... will is realistically every be shut down? I seriously don't think so.. It'll probably become a pay site sooner or later..for better or worse. I guess I have mixed feelings about it. When I first started using the buddy list I thought it was the nuts, but now I could live w/o it. I'm pretty sure I'd survive, anyway. Maybe they really can add some type of privacy feature.... but the whole hand history/data mining business they have going...now that seems to be crossing the line...but I"m guessing this sort of thing has been going on for years, no?

ptr didn't exist until they had the image recognition software necessary to perform the datamining; before players could datamine on sites like FTP/party/UB but they had to actively be on the site, usually logged in, so the site could monitor their behavior. of course, TOS changed and popular software changed with it and, in turn, so did typical user behavior.

enter ptr. ptr is just a couple dozen machines running multiple spawned virtual machines, endlessly screenscraping everything, selling hands, printing money. oh, and they let u know when someone is on, exactly what tables they're on, how much they're up or down today, and u can even buy their hands and put them in ur software. it's a hack. the shit makes me want to open 8 smurf accounts.

thank god they don't track my game yet

Say what you will about ptr but its friendlist option is pretty awesome :d

PTR is fucking awesome and super EV+

PTR is the right direction for online poker , i thinks, leaderboards like a videogame , in 50 years the whole fucking world will be addicted to videogames......

On December 19 2009 11:23 Ket wrote: its nobodys business what youre making or losing. not only is it horrible for privacy but its also horrible for the games when losers are outed and publically mocked, and when people are more easily given a reality check that will discourage action. site really needs to be shut down for the good of the game

QFT there is no question this should be banned.

Player of the year is also new. Vote for me. thx.

This a pretty neat representation of the games but it does seem awfully bad for getting action

PTR is by far the site i visit most often. Before LP, good, youtube and wikipedia ^_^

PTR lets me know if im playing a hit-n-runner so i dont have a prob with it

lol

so i noticed you can literally find anyones PTR on LP using the hand history, by looking up their opponent and looking up their biggest pots.

On March 16 2010 00:50 Question wrote: lol

old

On March 16 2010 05:55 EzPzLmnSqz wrote: so i noticed you can literally find anyones PTR on LP using the hand history, by looking up their opponent and looking up their biggest pots.

On March 16 2010 06:27 dogmeat wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2010 00:50 Question wrote: lol old   On March 16 2010 05:55 EzPzLmnSqz wrote: so i noticed you can literally find anyones PTR on LP using the hand history, by looking up their opponent and looking up their biggest pots.

I look up dogmeat's hands on LP and pick a big one. Then I find the opponent on PTR and dig up the same hand and find dogmeat's screen name, then I look up dogmeat's screen name on PTR and find his inside leg measurement and how many sugars he ahs in his tea. Seems like a lot of work for some stalking but it's a good point.

so was anyone from lp chosen as ptr beta tester?

i was

On December 19 2009 22:44 Minsk wrote: PTR is the right direction for online poker , i thinks, leaderboards like a videogame , in 50 years the whole fucking world will be addicted to videogames......

Maybe too much time behind the screen, i thinks.
Dude, there will be other activities that people do that does not include computers or any nintendos...

PTR is maybe EV+ for a while but it just will not do good in the long run.
Dont we have a lot of warning examples allready in poker and irl?

PTR makes competition tougher and makes losing players stop poker.
So which is more important: To see names on leaderboard or keep games running?

I would not bee too happy about losing 3000$ a month if all the people close to me knew about it eh?

The thing that would benefit everybody would be that ratings would start from say 5kNL.
This would make a good leaderboard for the top level, as in others sports, but would keep the
lower limit games running, which are vital to the whole functionality of poker.
When there is low limit action, there will be games at higher stakes aswell.
This system is working pretty well in other sports, practicly any sport in fact. The amateurs play for
the enjoyment without the leaderboards and the pro-levels are the ones with the competion and the leaderboards.

Poker does not differ much from any business actually. The customer is still the king. If the customer is not satisfied,
everybody knows what will happen. The money to the system is not falling from the skies.

some people like to brag how much they've lost, PTR is the perfect tool for them

On March 17 2010 04:31 Rande wrote: Show nested quote + On December 19 2009 22:44 Minsk wrote: PTR is the right direction for online poker , i thinks, leaderboards like a videogame , in 50 years the whole fucking world will be addicted to videogames...... makes losing players stop poker.

i'd like to see the proof of that... oh wait it's just your opinion!

On March 17 2010 04:31 Rande wrote: Show nested quote + On December 19 2009 22:44 Minsk wrote: PTR is the right direction for online poker , i thinks, leaderboards like a videogame , in 50 years the whole fucking world will be addicted to videogames...... The thing that would benefit everybody would be that ratings would start from say 5kNL. This would make a good leaderboard for the top level, as in others sports, but would keep the lower limit games running

oh, so you belive it hurts pro players, but those in NL5k should suffer anyway. They've made enough.

On March 17 2010 04:31 Rande wrote: Show nested quote + On December 19 2009 22:44 Minsk wrote: PTR is the right direction for online poker , i thinks, leaderboards like a videogame , in 50 years the whole fucking world will be addicted to videogames...... I would not bee too happy about losing 3000$ a month if all the people close to me knew about it eh?

yes, every fish knows PTR, every fish brags about his PTR graphs to others - cause loosing is such a desirable thing and they all know they loose and check their PTR graphs daily - that's obv why they play. to keep track of their loses