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Joeingram1   United States. Jul 07 2009 19:19. Posts 943 | | |
Okay well I am a fucking idiot so I did it again. Was up 5.4k on the month before yesterday and after yesterday was down -80 dollars. How it is possible to do twice in the matter of weeks I do not know.

Words can't really describe how I felt after these 2 separate sessions. I basically played like 7k hands in the afternoon and lost 3k and was sad, hung out with a girl and then decided to give it another go and lost 2.5k more. After I finally quit I just layed in bed and contemplated what to do next. If there was ever a chance I was going to do suicide in my life, this was as close as I could have been. Luckily I didn't leave my apartment, didn't leave the bed, instead just loaded up a movie and tried to fall asleep. The feeling in my stomach was just an aching one and in my head was a feeling of doubt/wonder. Wondering if I could still win at poker again, wondering if poker was for me still, wondering if I should just quit and get a job and say fuck it. I really don't know If i can put myself through that again to be honest, and I am trying to figure out a way to fix this in the future. I have a bunch of bets still this month on me getting to 10k made at nl100 and I am still confident I can make it. After today I am up around 500 dollars total. The climb up will be harder now but it is one I think I can make and succeed at and ultimatly accomplish. I appreciate the many people posting kind words towards me through 2p2 and friends calling me to make sure I am okay. Defintly makes me feel better about the whole situation. I do thank the people that read and comment on my blog also! Until next time
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ortak   Bulgaria. Jul 07 2009 19:25. Posts 83 | | |
same shit here buddy was up 2k$ now its gone |
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Benzooor   United States. Jul 07 2009 19:25. Posts 630 | | |
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SugoGosu   Korea (South). Jul 07 2009 19:25. Posts 1793 | | |
seriously have a stop loss at like 20 buy-ins or something.
My stop loss is 3 buy-ins.
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SpasticInk   Sweden. Jul 07 2009 19:33. Posts 6298 | | |
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bane   United States. Jul 07 2009 19:34. Posts 2379 | | |
dont really know what to say but just keep it positive man. its only the 7th anyway! |
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your a sick individual
friend of mine once lost 20k, and stayed curled up in his bed for 12 hrs straight, sick game |
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ReDDcaFFe   Bulgaria. Jul 07 2009 19:38. Posts 1172 | | |
Girls always make that kind of stuff happen.
Too much distraction. |
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Shenny   Canada. Jul 07 2009 19:39. Posts 1514 | | |
Dude how do you keep it together? I'd be running down my street with an axe targeting pregnant women if I experienced this. |
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SIG1   United States. Jul 07 2009 19:41. Posts 651 | | |
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Cooper83   . Jul 07 2009 20:03. Posts 288 | | |
wow........well stay positive and keep grinding, you've bounced back before you can do it again! |
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longple   Sweden. Jul 07 2009 20:06. Posts 4472 | | |
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whamm!   Albania. Jul 07 2009 20:08. Posts 11625 | | |
nice rakeback nomnomnomnomnom |
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BalloonFight   United States. Jul 07 2009 20:22. Posts 1380 | | |
Since I think you're a pretty nice guy joe and I don't have any $ bet against you I'll give you some advice: Use a fucking stop loss at like 10 buyins, then QUIT that day if you hit it.
I think you have some pretty sick potential if you kept a stoploss. Tough session but gl with hitting the 10k mark. |
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Newblish   Canada. Jul 07 2009 20:27. Posts 560 | | |
i definately could never ever handle this.
i lost 4 nl200 BI's 2 days ago and i felt like shit after that. No possible way i continue playing this game after 54 BI loss. |
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Fayth   Canada. Jul 07 2009 20:46. Posts 10085 | | |
are you ever going to learn how to play well instead of playing a million hands? Nobody can really have a 54 buy ins downswing on these stakes unless you're making very obvious huge mistakes and/or have tilt issues |
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how does a stoploss matter. It doesnt matter when you play its the same EV. Not like you're going to run better in the next 10 hours.
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CrownRoyal   United States. Jul 07 2009 20:48. Posts 11386 | | |
i lost 40 buyins spread over nl200/nl100 last month, granted it wasnt one session but it shouldnt matter one way or another |
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| On July 07 2009 19:46 Fayth wrote:
are you ever going to learn how to play well instead of playing a million hands? Nobody can really have a 54 buy ins downswing on these stakes unless you're making very obvious huge mistakes and/or have tilt issues |
aren't you supposed to be a poker pro? How can you say that... do you never experience variance or something?
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SpeedyJack   United States. Jul 07 2009 20:56. Posts 618 | | |
| On July 07 2009 19:46 Fayth wrote:
are you ever going to learn how to play well instead of playing a million hands? Nobody can really have a 54 buy ins downswing on these stakes unless you're making very obvious huge mistakes and/or have tilt issues |
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| On July 07 2009 19:48 street_hooker wrote:
how does a stoploss matter. It doesnt matter when you play its the same EV. Not like you're going to run better in the next 10 hours.
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On July 07 2009 19:51 street_hooker wrote:
| On July 07 2009 19:46 Fayth wrote:
are you ever going to learn how to play well instead of playing a million hands? Nobody can really have a 54 buy ins downswing on these stakes unless you're making very obvious huge mistakes and/or have tilt issues |
aren't you supposed to be a poker pro? How can you say that... do you never experience variance or something?
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yeah its retarded to think that it doesn't matter when you play. Let's also forget he won 46 buyins in his last blogpost, he obviously is making " obvious mistakes" and doesn't know how to play holdem after thousands of hands. |
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are you like the sickest troll of all time?
I feel for ingram, but this kind of variance is not normal and is not attributable to variance at all. |
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lol so win money = good play
lose money = tilt /bad play
he wins 46 buyins and hes an amazing poker player then loses a lot of buyins and it's all because of mistakes.
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AndrewSong   United States. Jul 07 2009 21:12. Posts 2355 | | |
| On July 07 2009 19:51 street_hooker wrote:
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are you ever going to learn how to play well instead of playing a million hands? Nobody can really have a 54 buy ins downswing on these stakes unless you're making very obvious huge mistakes and/or have tilt issues |
aren't you supposed to be a poker pro? How can you say that... do you never experience variance or something?
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open a bunch of nl100 tables. Whats the reg to fish ratio? Are you saying it's impossible to get coolered multiple times? You even posted a blog about your downswing where you said you always thought people who have it are just playing bad until the point where you had one of your own.
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[sK]   United States. Jul 07 2009 21:14. Posts 174 | | |
i think it would be difficult to play 100% on such a downswing. i def think a stop-loss would help.. at least then u can assure urself ur playing as level headed as possible |
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| On July 07 2009 19:46 Fayth wrote:
are you ever going to learn how to play well instead of playing a million hands? Nobody can really have a 54 buy ins downswing on these stakes unless you're making very obvious huge mistakes and/or have tilt issues |
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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Jul 07 2009 21:18. Posts 9634 | | |
| On July 07 2009 19:48 street_hooker wrote:
how does a stoploss matter. It doesnt matter when you play its the same EV. Not like you're going to run better in the next 10 hours.
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it doesnt matter when u r 100% mentally stable and dont care at all for money and losing like 20 buy ins won mess with ur head
otherwise stoploss is good coz most ppl get off their game once they lose 5-6 buy ins and start tilting spewing etc and im pretty sure this guy did the same thing |
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PplusAD   Germany. Jul 07 2009 21:18. Posts 7182 | | |
This swings are unreal sick
firat 17K hands breakeven -> 9K hands 46BI upswing woot ???? ( I really wonderd how nobody noticed how sick unreal that is) -> followed by a 13K hands 54BI downswing ???? |
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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Jul 07 2009 21:20. Posts 9634 | | |
oh nvm ignore my post this street_hooker guy looks like a troll or he s just stupid meh..
anyway Joe just stop playing when u know ur about to tilt off a lot of cash
also going to bed watching a movie wont really help u through ur stupidity .. im not trying to insult u but to actually help u
set up some ground rules and follow em
also yeah -54 bi session playing good getting coolered & losing a lot of flips is probably possible but somehow i doubt the chance of that happening is more than 1 in a billion |
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| On July 07 2009 20:09 street_hooker wrote:
lol so win money = good play
lose money = tilt /bad play
he wins 46 buyins and hes an amazing poker player then loses a lot of buyins and it's all because of mistakes.
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| On July 07 2009 20:22 Night2o1 wrote:
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On July 07 2009 20:09 street_hooker wrote:
lol so win money = good play
lose money = tilt /bad play
he wins 46 buyins and hes an amazing poker player then loses a lot of buyins and it's all because of mistakes.
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never said he was an amazing player (I'm sure he's decent/a winner but maybe not while 24tabling)...?
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Joeingram1   United States. Jul 07 2009 21:26. Posts 943 | | |
| On July 07 2009 20:20 Spitfiree wrote:
oh nvm ignore my post this street_hooker guy looks like a troll or he s just stupid meh..
anyway Joe just stop playing when u know ur about to tilt off a lot of cash
also going to bed watching a movie wont really help u through ur stupidity .. im not trying to insult u but to actually help u
set up some ground rules and follow em
also yeah -54 bi session playing good getting coolered & losing a lot of flips is probably possible but somehow i doubt the chance of that happening is more than 1 in a billion |
how does one find these ground rules??
And obviously I played like shit in addition to running bad, know that ( more playing like shit though) |
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Baalim   Mexico. Jul 07 2009 21:28. Posts 34305 | | |
| On July 07 2009 19:54 noface wrote:
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Baalim   Mexico. Jul 07 2009 21:29. Posts 34305 | | |
| On July 07 2009 19:51 street_hooker wrote:
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are you ever going to learn how to play well instead of playing a million hands? Nobody can really have a 54 buy ins downswing on these stakes unless you're making very obvious huge mistakes and/or have tilt issues |
aren't you supposed to be a poker pro? How can you say that... do you never experience variance or something?
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yeah fayth, you are such a fish, i get -54 buy-in swings before breakfast all the time....... |
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He said it's impossible for that to happen
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Joeingram1   United States. Jul 07 2009 21:39. Posts 943 | | |
| On July 07 2009 20:28 Baal wrote:
ROFL im gonna save this one for exhilarate
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lol i like his rants he does on his blogs and hands he posts |
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bane   United States. Jul 07 2009 21:42. Posts 2379 | | |
| On July 07 2009 20:29 Baal wrote:
yeah fayth, you are such a fish, i get -54 buy-in swings before breakfast all the time....... |
this is so good |
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mikyor   United States. Jul 07 2009 21:44. Posts 590 | | |
i lol'ed. at least you are staying positive that is good. good luck to you man. |
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Baalim   Mexico. Jul 07 2009 21:48. Posts 34305 | | |
| On July 07 2009 20:39 Joeingram1 wrote:
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lol i like his rants he does on his blogs and hands he posts |
no, its pathetic that a 1knl player post every bad beat he gets like a little whiny bitch. |
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TalentedTom   Canada. Jul 07 2009 21:49. Posts 20070 | | |
| On July 07 2009 19:46 Fayth wrote:
are you ever going to learn how to play well instead of playing a million hands? Nobody can really have a 54 buy ins downswing on these stakes unless you're making very obvious huge mistakes and/or have tilt issues |
it's hard to have 54 buy in downswing at almost any stake |
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bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Jul 07 2009 21:53. Posts 8649 | | |
| On July 07 2009 20:31 street_hooker wrote:
He said it's impossible for that to happen
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bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Jul 07 2009 21:55. Posts 8649 | | |
| On July 07 2009 20:49 TalentedTom wrote:
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are you ever going to learn how to play well instead of playing a million hands? Nobody can really have a 54 buy ins downswing on these stakes unless you're making very obvious huge mistakes and/or have tilt issues |
it's hard to have 54 buy in downswing at almost any stake
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ill bet you 20k i can go on a 54 buyin downswing at 200nl |
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Bejamin1   Canada. Jul 07 2009 21:58. Posts 7042 | | |
| On July 07 2009 19:48 street_hooker wrote:
how does a stoploss matter. It doesnt matter when you play its the same EV. Not like you're going to run better in the next 10 hours.
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It matters because when people are losing they take more risks in order to try and "win it back" or "get back to even" as they say. Often sacrificing +EV and increasing variance greatly. A player who when in the right mindset might say a shove is very thin in a particular spot may very well change that opinion to this is an auto-shove spot or convince themselves to do so more often.
Also, Agree with Fayth 100%. We should just rename him The Truth. |
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Jamie217   Canada. Jul 07 2009 21:59. Posts 4351 | | |
yeah exactly what fayth said... i mean wtf how do you not have a stoploss or learn how to stop when you are tilting/playing bad because that is clearly what it is
if you cant learn that then maybe poker isnt for you |
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Newblish   Canada. Jul 07 2009 22:03. Posts 560 | | |
| On July 07 2009 19:51 street_hooker wrote:
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are you ever going to learn how to play well instead of playing a million hands? Nobody can really have a 54 buy ins downswing on these stakes unless you're making very obvious huge mistakes and/or have tilt issues |
aren't you supposed to be a poker pro? How can you say that... do you never experience variance or something?
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are you a complete retard or this this post of yours simply a joke? |
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VanDerMeyde   Norway. Jul 07 2009 22:27. Posts 5126 | | |
Show Joe some respect guys, most of you wouldnt post or mention it if you had a big downswing. |
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Cro)Deadman   Croatia. Jul 07 2009 22:36. Posts 3943 | | |
Don't play fold equity on turns so much as A) B) dont try to make advanced plays that you do on regular basis because most NL100 ppl don't really understand jackshit what ur doing and wont ever fold.
and C) Tighten up a bit and stop calling 3bets loose OOP. |
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fwiw I'm not hating on joe at all, I respect his volume big time I do think he would benefit from some changes to his game though and I always wish him (and most everyone) the best of luck! |
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Sicks Macks   United States. Jul 07 2009 22:49. Posts 3929 | | |
I just had a 10BI downer and stopped playing poker/browsing forums for 5 days straight. I need some of your stomach sir, GL. |
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Joeingram1   United States. Jul 07 2009 22:50. Posts 943 | | |
| On July 07 2009 21:27 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Show Joe some respect guys, most of you wouldnt post or mention it if you had a big downswing. |
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bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Jul 07 2009 23:17. Posts 8649 | | |
| On July 07 2009 21:27 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Show Joe some respect guys, most of you wouldnt post or mention it if you had a big downswing. |
true, not everyone is an attention whore. |
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i'll try and be nice here and give u the best advice you'll ever hear... stop calling 4bets out of position. and consider doing the same for 3bets. fold to 3bets a lot lot more. learn how to play better, especially in 3bet/4bet pots. ur tilt issues are obviously bad. but i think u should learn to play good before u worry about stuff like tilt. GL |
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VanDerMeyde   Norway. Jul 08 2009 00:57. Posts 5126 | | |
| On July 07 2009 22:17 bigredhoss wrote:
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Show Joe some respect guys, most of you wouldnt post or mention it if you had a big downswing. |
true, not everyone is an attention whore.
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Hey man I understand, I lost 5 buyins today and like 4 yesterday. Lets cut ourselves in the bathroom. |
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Achoo   Canada. Jul 08 2009 01:42. Posts 1454 | | |
Seriously wtf u want to commit suicide for a 5k$ loss ? Youd rather stop poker right now because:
A- youll nutpeddle and dont make it to higher stakes or
B- youll make it to higher stakes and will commit suicide on your first 20k$+ downswing
Either way its a lose-lose situation imo. But on a more serious note, just get a std job and keep poker as a hobby. |
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Joeingram1   United States. Jul 08 2009 01:50. Posts 943 | | |
| On July 07 2009 22:17 bigredhoss wrote:
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Show Joe some respect guys, most of you wouldnt post or mention it if you had a big downswing. |
true, not everyone is an attention whore.
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this attention is going to get me alot of action on future prop bets so i will take being an attention whore for the possibity to make alot of money in the future |
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Joeingram1   United States. Jul 08 2009 01:50. Posts 943 | | |
| On July 07 2009 22:49 lachlan wrote:
i'll try and be nice here and give u the best advice you'll ever hear... stop calling 4bets out of position. and consider doing the same for 3bets. fold to 3bets a lot lot more. learn how to play better, especially in 3bet/4bet pots. ur tilt issues are obviously bad. but i think u should learn to play good before u worry about stuff like tilt. GL |
thanks agree completely, need to fold to way way more 3bets and stop calling 4bet oop with k8o |
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Joeingram1   United States. Jul 08 2009 01:51. Posts 943 | | |
| On July 08 2009 00:42 Achoo wrote:
Seriously wtf u want to commit suicide for a 5k$ loss ? Youd rather stop poker right now because:
A- youll nutpeddle and dont make it to higher stakes or
B- youll make it to higher stakes and will commit suicide on your first 20k$+ downswing
Either way its a lose-lose situation imo. But on a more serious note, just get a std job and keep poker as a hobby. |
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Fayth   Canada. Jul 08 2009 02:15. Posts 10085 | | |
seriously, no offense at all but you're probably playing poker really badly, try to cut on the tables, learn how to play VERY WELL, then u can add a bunch of tables and play tons of hands |
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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Jul 08 2009 07:15. Posts 9634 | | |
Fayth is definitely right
i doubt there is anyone in the world who can 24 table and be on his A game
maybe Elky is the only guy that can do it but somehow i still doubt he s playing his best
cant u just think of some rules for urself ?
smtng like this for example :
- 10 buy in stop loss
- quit tables every time u feel u r not playing well
- quit tables every time u feel u r about to tilt
- dont play a session longer than lets say 2 hours , altho 2-3 hours is optimal for me but im 6 tabling so im not put under a lot of pressure , but thats me so u should try and see whats best for you
- drop down to 6-9 tables or smtng srsly. |
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dahornnn   United Kingdom. Jul 08 2009 08:48. Posts 693 | | |
wow thats insane, i cry after i lose 2 or 3 bi at nl 10 :D:D
gl sir one can only wonder if this is a master plan to get action on your prop bets !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sick plan if it was sir)
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