Coaching with Myth

I am officially returning after my break from coaching. I currently do not have any students, short-term or long-term. My new plans for coaching are to accept two long-term students at a time, for a few months of coaching, to end up with 6-10 students per year. The details of the deal I propose can be found below.

Be warned, the price I ask is not cheap, but the instruction I provide is intense and the help I offer has great long-term benefits. You will continue to extract value from my teaching long after the deal has ended, so long as you keep playing poker. I am not a lazy or uninformative coach – I’m very accessible and available for help, and always draw upon all of my resources to help my students as best as possible. Furthermore, I bring my students into my own journey to improve as a poker player, and give them the new knowledge I receive from my own pursuits as a student of the game.

That said, please read through the “terms and conditions” I wrote below, and, if you are interested in applying for this deal, fill out the application I’ve included. Please present me a legible application and put some serious thought into it. Be honest with me in your application, otherwise we will never develop an appropriate relationship for this deal. And please note, this application is only open to those who have at least a proper bankroll ($6,000+) for $1/2. This is NOT negotiable.

If you fill out the application, please do not post it in the thread. Send it directly to me via e-mail, at corwin.cole@gmail.com. If you are otherwise in contact with me already via an instant messenger, feel free to send it that way as well. Please note that I will be taking on two students simultaneously for this deal, but one of those students has already been chosen. So this application is for one more student only. I will leave this application open both here and on CardRunners for the next 7 days, or until I haven’t received any more applications for two days. After that, I will narrow my selections to a few candidates, and proceed with further screening as I see fit, to make my final choice.

APPLICATION

Information About You (brief answers, please)

1. Name, age, location:
2. Preferred poker site(s) and screen names:
3. Current bankroll and game(s) played:
4. How many hands do you typically play per month?
5. How long have you been playing poker?

Further Questions (here, you can provide long and/or detailed responses, if you like).

1. What are you long-term goals for poker? How does it fit into your life now, and how do you think it will fit into your life a year, five years, and ten years from now?

2. Have you had any coaching before? If so, how did it go? Give me some details about how you typically learn to improve your poker game, and what you have found to be either helpful or a waste of time.

3. In your view, what gives you the potential to be a good poker player? Explain to me what strengths you think a successful poker player has, and give me your thoughts on your own strengths and weaknesses.

4. What has your poker journey been like so far? Describe for me how you started, and how you’ve progressed since then. I don’t need a lot of details about specific changes to the way you play, just a general idea about how you’ve evolved.

5. Are you able to meet the requirements explained under “Expectations of the Student”?

6. What’s your schedule like? Give me a breakdown of the requirements of the rest of your life, so that I will have an idea of your accessibility as a student during the deal.

7. Do you currently have any outstanding poker debts? If so, how much? I don’t need details about the nature of the debts, just the amount owed.


TERMS AND CONDITIONS

Structure of the Deal

6. I offer full-time instruction (2) until you have earned $20,000 (3, 4). Along the way, I will accept payment as percentages of profit milestones. Each time you earn $4,000, I ask for a diminishing portion. In order, those portions will be: 50% for the first $4,000, 40% for the next $4,000, followed by 30%, 20%, and 10%.

7. As full-time instruction, you as the student receive
      a. personal coaching (I sweat you while you play, and give you my thoughts and guidance throughout the session) for 4-6 hours per week;
      b. full access to watching me play any game at any time;
      c. full access to discussion of hands or concepts with me at any time;
      d. videos made by me (upon request) to use as reference material;
      e. video reviews (upon request) of your own play;
      f. weekly database reviews of your hands played;
      g. contact with my other students to foster discussion of concepts and sharing of ideas.

8. This deal will occur over a time period that is not pre-determined. While I anticipate that most students will have profited $20,000 in 8-12 weeks, obviously some will take more or less time. The deal will not be re-negotiated if the student takes more or less time to hit this mark. I will continue coaching you until you have earned this amount, unless for some other reason one of us decides to exit the deal before that time (see “Conditions for Prematurely Exiting the Deal”).

9. Earnings included for the deal are only those obtained through the games that I teach you. If I have only taught you NLHE cash games, then you do not share your profit from PLO or tournaments. Furthermore, your rakeback and bonuses are entirely your own, and you will share no portion of them with me.

Expectations of the Instructor

1. I will fulfill the terms of “full-time instruction” as defined under section (2) of “Structure of the Deal.”
2. I will seek consultation from other good players whenever necessary, so as to provide the best feedback to which I have access when I am unable to confidently answer a question.
3. I will maintain a flexible and free schedule in order to accommodate the student’s own scheduling limitations.
4. I will not, without good reason, cancel or delay scheduled lessons or discussions.
5. I will teach more than one game. While my primary focus is NLHE cash games, I will teach heads-up, 6-handed, and 9-handed, as well as other games (like PLO) and tournaments, to the best of my ability.
6. Video and hand history reviews will be thorough and presented neatly and coherently as useful long-term reference material.
7. Videos made by me will be long enough to provide worthwhile discussion and produced with the best of my ability to be clear and helpful.

Expectations of the Student

1. You will take this deal seriously and accept it only if you are able to give it high priority in your life. This deal is only intended for serious players with strong ambitions for long-term improvement in poker.
2. You will play a minimum average of 10,000 hands per week.
3. You will not, without good reason, cancel or delay scheduled lessons or discussions.
4. At the end of each week, you will submit to me a compressed file containing your hand histories for that week, so that I can review your play.
5. You will play more than one game, at the very least both 6-handed and 9-handed cash games.
6. You will spend some time away from the tables in serious study of the game, developing not only your talents in poker, but your ability to learn poker properly. This includes discussion of poker strategy and particular hands, with myself and others, including my other student(s).

Conditions for Prematurely Exiting the Deal

1. At any time, I reserve the right to cancel the deal if I feel that this full-time coaching program is not in the best interests of myself and/or you, the student. If I do decide to cancel the deal, I will ask for only half of the agreed-upon profit share from the current milestone section, pro-rated for profit-to-date.
      a. Example: You have already passed the first $4,000 mark and returned me 50% of that block. On your way to the next mark, you have earned $1,250 so far, and I decide to cancel the deal. For ending the deal early, I will ask for only 20% of that $1,250.

2. At any time, you reserve the right to cancel the deal if you feel that this full-time coaching program is not in your best interests. If you do decide to cancel the deal, I will ask for the full agreed-upon profit share from the current milestone section, pro-rated for profit-to-date.
      a. Example: In the same scenario as described in example 1a above, I will ask for 40% of the $1,250.

3. Other extraordinary circumstances may occur that inhibit your ability to play full-time, or my ability to teach full-time. If dramatic life-changes occur, the deal can be postponed or exited under similar agreements as given in cases 1 and 2 above.

i'll be ready for this the second time around in a couple months.

<3 myth

summary plz

Not bad Gotta read this closely.

real nice offer ....i have to get my ambitons up for myself and play 10k hands in week

On September 25 2007 12:08 TalentedTom wrote: summary plz

myth will take 2 students which he will teach A LOT for a massive % of profit over long term (30K$ total).if you are interested fill in his aplication but you need to be serious about it and have at least 6K

thats it. all those lines are just to look serious/cute hes just repeating same thing over n over

On September 25 2007 12:12 wolfheart wrote: real nice offer ....i have to get my ambitons up for myself and play 10k hands in week

and get a 6k roll

i also will be on the lookout for this offer again in the near future. can't take advantage right now because of a big withdrawal and having to go back to nl100, but once i get back to nl200, this seems like a great offer.

Can I apply? I just want to hear your cute laugh over vent.

yeah sure alex

10k hands/week is to much for me. I think it should be more like a deal between Daut and Green Plastic without any profits for the coach

is cuddling included? if not how much more

i might be interested

so I only need to get 6K and play 10 000 ;D ok that's impossible while stuyding:D

On September 25 2007 12:47 iamalex wrote: Can I apply? I just want to hear your cute laugh over vent.

can i get a free lesson =)

"5. You will play more than one game, at the very least both 6-handed and 9-handed cash games.'

What's the purpose of this?

On September 25 2007 13:40 bigbb33 wrote: "5. You will play more than one game, at the very least both 6-handed and 9-handed cash games.' What's the purpose of this?

my strengths lie in different areas. if i do nothing but coach 6-max, you get the least out of my coaching and i have the least that i can share with you.

Will hourly lessons still be available in this time period ?

On September 25 2007 14:11 buffalo78 wrote: Will hourly lessons still be available in this time period ?

no, i'm no longer offering hourly lessons. i will only be coaching full-time, under this deal. i wanted to minimize the number of students i had, and maximize the value of the experience i got with each student.

On September 25 2007 13:17 maciczka555 wrote: so I only need to get 6K and play 10 000 ;D ok that's impossible while stuyding:D

Not at all, 10k hands per week makes it only 1,400ish hand per day and thats easily attainable.

Whole deal looks great tbh, 2 bad im not under circumstances ( yet ) to meet Your expectations :[

i think myth would be a great coach!!!! =)

im taking students as well and will do lessons

you really like to write dont you?

I've submitted an application

On September 25 2007 14:36 tapatapaz wrote: you really like to write dont you?

yeah

i applied also =D

I applied - got accepted - had some coaching - became a kick arse poker player





Then I woke up

Are you expecting payment for money won while you weren't sweating?

For example, if I applied for coaching in NL fullring and PLO 6-max and one day you sweated/coached me while I played NL fullring, and during that session I won $500, then later that night after you went to bed I played more and won $400, would you only be collecting from the $500 or from both the $500 and $400?

What if I applied for coaching in NLHE fullring and PLO 6-max and played NLHE 6-max whenever you weren't sweating, would you be expecting to be paid for the money I won in NLHE 6-max?

i would imagine yes for both
-pu

I'm doing so bad at 200nl and so good at 100nl and that my only conclusion is that 200nl is rigged and horrible.

Thus, I might wanna see if you can help me beat a rigged game and I'm considering this!

On September 25 2007 15:35 JojackLS wrote: Are you expecting payment for money won while you weren't sweating? For example, if I applied for coaching in NL fullring and PLO 6-max and one day you sweated/coached me while I played NL fullring, and during that session I won $500, then later that night after you went to bed I played more and won $400, would you only be collecting from the $500 or from both the $500 and $400? What if I applied for coaching in NLHE fullring and PLO 6-max and played NLHE 6-max whenever you weren't sweating, would you be expecting to be paid for the money I won in NLHE 6-max?

i'm asking for a share of all the profit you have until you make the amount described. the idea is that i taught you how to make that money

if i was only asking for profit from the times i sweated you, i'd be better off just playing on my own account

very well laid out, myth; best of luck to you and your students

I know you specialize mostly in FR, would you recommend your coaching abilities to 6-max players or would it be more beneficial to get coaching from a coach who plays primarily 6-max

damn wish i had more bankroll. =[

On September 25 2007 16:34 Bluffed1331 wrote: I know you specialize mostly in FR, would you recommend your coaching abilities to 6-max players or would it be more beneficial to get coaching from a coach who plays primarily 6-max

way to ask a barber if you need a haircut:D

myth isnt a fan of hair...

On September 25 2007 16:34 Bluffed1331 wrote: I know you specialize mostly in FR, would you recommend your coaching abilities to 6-max players or would it be more beneficial to get coaching from a coach who plays primarily 6-max

i play mostly fr right now because i feel that's where the most money is on stars. but i've played a lotttt more 6max in my life than fr

ur a nit

Myth u should post a video to give a sample or something.

On September 25 2007 18:52 casinocasino wrote: Myth u should post a video to give a sample or something.

I agree.. an FR one.. with commentary.. 1 hour+..

On September 25 2007 18:52 casinocasino wrote: Myth u should post a video to give a sample or something.

shower scene?

I'd take this if I were playing NL200 for more than a year and cant beat it for a decent winrate. Not my case

EDIT: I really wanna take it, but I dont think I'ts worthy to me. Plus I cant afford the 10K hands a week

If I lose money will you pay me?

On September 25 2007 19:15 JonnyCosMo wrote: If I lose money will you pay me?

rofl

i filled out a legal aid form the other day which was less complicated than this.

good luck Myth

On September 25 2007 21:08 byrnesam wrote: i filled out a legal aid form the other day which was less complicated than this.

nah, he just covered all the angles, i like the proposition, its nice and clean.

Now, i better earn 6K on 0.01/0.02$ and apply.

/busy

On September 26 2007 06:29 NiTE wrote: Show nested quote + On September 25 2007 21:08 byrnesam wrote: i filled out a legal aid form the other day which was less complicated than this. he just covered all the angles

typical nit

I have a question for Myth. What makes you think you are worth this type of coaching deal? This is not saying you aren't and I am not trying to be rude by any means. All I am saying is within the last two months, I am pretty sure you were playing 1/2 and 2/4. Then you have a monster cash in a tournament and now you are worth someone paying you thousands of dollars for coaching at a level you were either still playing or one level up from that. Also it was not like you were playing 2/4 successfully for a year. This is all just my opinion and I am sure your coaching will be valuable to some person. I just find it questionable that you make the insistence of students having 6k+ in their BR and play at least 1/2 when you were at the very least barely removed from this profile within the last few months.

On September 26 2007 06:49 TripSearchin wrote: I have a question for Myth. What makes you think you are worth this type of coaching deal? This is not saying you aren't and I am not trying to be rude by any means. All I am saying is within the last two months, I am pretty sure you were playing 1/2 and 2/4. Then you have a monster cash in a tournament and now you are worth someone paying you thousands of dollars for coaching at a level you were either still playing or one level up from that. Also it was not like you were playing 2/4 successfully for a year. This is all just my opinion and I am sure your coaching will be valuable to some person. I just find it questionable that you make the insistence of students having 6k+ in their BR and play at least 1/2 when you were at the very least barely removed from this profile within the last few months.

this is true but right now he has this insane winrate at 2/4 or 3/6 i think

i earlier stated i think myth would be a great coach because altho he doesnt necessarily have the experience at the higher limits, he obv has a terrific understanding of the conecepts needed to be a winner even at higher stakes. u can tell from his posts (altho often long winded hehe) that he has a great poker mind. just because someone doesnt play high stakes doesnt mean they aren't good or qualified to coach (ex. talented tom one of the bes tplayers on PS and doesnt play that high). i think u would find most highly regarded players on LP would agree that myth would be a good qualified coach for middle stake NL players.

also he is a long term winner there so obv not soemone riding a heater and might not play high stakes for personal reasons
=)

On September 26 2007 07:26 newbie.cjb wrote: Show nested quote + On September 26 2007 06:49 TripSearchin wrote: I have a question for Myth. What makes you think you are worth this type of coaching deal? This is not saying you aren't and I am not trying to be rude by any means. All I am saying is within the last two months, I am pretty sure you were playing 1/2 and 2/4. Then you have a monster cash in a tournament and now you are worth someone paying you thousands of dollars for coaching at a level you were either still playing or one level up from that. Also it was not like you were playing 2/4 successfully for a year. This is all just my opinion and I am sure your coaching will be valuable to some person. I just find it questionable that you make the insistence of students having 6k+ in their BR and play at least 1/2 when you were at the very least barely removed from this profile within the last few months. this is true but right now he has this insane winrate at 2/4 or 3/6 i think

i would insta apply if it was 5/10 and 10/20 .. its weird to think about geting coaching from a coach who plays the same stakes as you (obv there are ppl who crushed high stakes and moved down for personal reasons, then this doesnt apply)

corwin is qualified to teach someone how to move from 1/2 to 3/6 undoubtedly.

also, in earnest the fact that he plays/played the stakes recently benefits you because he has pertinent information on the regs etc. and how the games play TODAY not six months ago.

I would also ask if I were going to consider this opportunity (I am not considering it fyi) to see his pt database that as you guys claim, will undoubtedly show him beating 1/2 , 2/4 and 3/6 for a large win rate over a large sample size. I just think for him to be so specific and demanding of the quality and level of student he is looking for as well as being so expensive, his qualifications should not be questionable to anyone, particularly if he is looking for the best student possible.

theres a reason you are the only one who is speculative.

On September 26 2007 10:03 TripSearchin wrote: I would also ask if I were going to consider this opportunity (I am not considering it fyi) to see his pt database that as you guys claim, will undoubtedly show him beating 1/2 , 2/4 and 3/6 for a large win rate over a large sample size. I just think for him to be so specific and demanding of the quality and level of student he is looking for as well as being so expensive, his qualifications should not be questionable to anyone, particularly if he is looking for the best student possible.

I think this is something that he should be showing a potential student if that student decides to apply.

Not something he should just flawnt around to everyone. His reputation enough should be respected and if stats are something that you want, maybe this is something you should PM him with.

I think that posting this is kinda .. i dunno disrespectful? I'm not hating... just saying that i don't think this post should be in this thread.

IF you were considering this, i can understand your concern. you are not considering it as stated previously.

Ok well I am done being the devil's advocate in this thread. I will not say another word and wish whoever does get picked the best of luck.

its like

yo daut u should request greenplastic some pt stats and feedback before becoming his student

On September 26 2007 11:34 Floofy wrote: its like yo daut u should request greenplastic some pt stats and feedback before becoming his student

wow

<3<3<3<3<3<3

this actually sounds quite nice and I would do it if I could give it a high priority. University is more important to me though atm. Anyhow, I doubt anyone who has the time is gonna regret this.

by the way,

once i narrow my selections down to just a few candidates i'm interested in coaching, i will give each of those candidates a few hours of coaching as a final interviewing process, free of charge. from that step, i'll make my choice.

so all of you who applied (thank you, there are many) are up to at least get some time with me (^_^)

On September 26 2007 11:44 [vital]Myth wrote: by the way, once i narrow my selections down to just a few candidates i'm interested in coaching, i will give each of those candidates a few hours of coaching as a final interviewing process, free of charge. from that step, i'll make my choice. so all of you who applied (thank you, there are many) are up to at least get some time with me (^_^)

still time to apply?

Can I make a guest appearence during one of the coaching sessions?

yeah applications are still open, i will post when i'm done accepting apps

i'll be sending mine in tonight, keep it going until then

On September 26 2007 13:51 [vital]Myth wrote: yeah applications are still open, i will post when i'm done accepting apps

sent, thanks for the opportunity.

should i even bother with applying if i'm from europe (because of the time zone differences etc)?

hmm?

i want myth to teach me in the ways of seduction

On September 27 2007 13:52 SneakrFreakr wrote: should i even bother with applying if i'm from europe (because of the time zone differences etc)?

of course, i've had many long term students from europe before, always went great

oh no! myth's ego got so big it finally exploded!

Update: I'll be accepting applications for the rest of today. Tonight, I'll select a few candidates, and notify them of my intention to do further interviewing.

On September 28 2007 19:29 Yugless wrote: oh no! myth's ego got so big it finally exploded!

hahahahahaha

Choose me, DUCY?

Now that almost 4 months are gone, do you still do these kind of deals or are you already sick of all the coaching?
I'm gonna have 2 months semester break soon, which I wanted to kinda use to enhance my poker game, so I'd be very much interested.

If anyone else is interested in taking a similar deal with a 1/2 NL 6max student (with about 7k bankroll), that'd be fine as well.(obv you ought to have some credentials)

*bump*

epic bump

awesome reSponse -_-

*F5**F5**F5**F5**F5**F5**F5**F5*

muhahahah

I was going to apply, but i died of old age before i could complete the application.

maybe you got that JEDI thing down, where you can come back from death as a hologram to your young padawan learner
(i assume since you play JEDI POKAH!!)

so if you could do that for me thatd be nice

On January 15 2008 07:27 n0rthf4ce wrote: I was going to apply, but i died of old age before i could complete the application.

But did you finish the application ??

holla

so interesting

So who are the students, nigga?

i would prefer to do some ventrilo interview or some shit rather than fill out a 5 page essay as to why i should ship you hella monies ;D

hey you guys didnt seach 2h for the thread so i got dips

god i hate this bumps... and i would have nice to read the date since i wouldn't have quit my job to work a full week filling the application.