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player999   Brasil. Apr 19 2010 14:01. Posts 7978 | | |
14k pf and he shoves 140k
why are you guys even discussing, if it were a tourney you wouldnt
same math applies you know? |
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Oskar_123   Sweden. Apr 19 2010 14:10. Posts 401 | | |
| On April 19 2010 12:34 Stroggos wrote:
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On April 19 2010 11:04 blackjacki2 wrote:
Is Doyle's play really that bad? How often does someone have QQ, KK, AA, AK there? He was only 2-1 dog so he only lost about 100k in EV when trying to win 14k. I guess he could have raised it like 35k just in case the nit wakes up with a hand, but it's Dwan's straddle and he likes to put 100k in the pot preflop with 68os. If he raises 50k then he's practically pot committed. Doyle has also said time and time again that he hates AQ. He probably gaines a lot of FE vs 88-TT and maybe even JJ. Maybe it's a terrible play for Dwan since he has a huge postflop edge, but if you're a postflop dog and you have no confidence in playing AQ and you're probably going to ship most flops anyway, you might as well ship it in and pray nobody has the nuts. |
13.8k in the pot preflop and he open shoves 150k. lets say people call with AK, AA, KK, QQ. AQs is winning 28% of time vs that range. So he needs to be called 1 every 11 times or less with that calling range to be profitable.
It's 7 handed and the calling range is 2% of all hand combinations, hes got to get through 66people for this to be profitable.
66x2%=132. 132/100=.76 Needs to be 1 or higher for this to be profitable. ( i think hes losing 37k every time he open shoves this?)
Not sure if this is fail maths or not but that's how i see the hand.
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Jelle   Belgium. Apr 19 2010 16:12. Posts 3476 | | |
lol no one would throw away JJ against that shove
and I agree with the man who posted that people would all say its stnd if it was tourney shove |
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TheHuHu3   United States. Apr 19 2010 16:22. Posts 5544 | | |
Phil's 3-bet was insanely small. Sorry but that was a terrible re-raise size. |
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zulu_nation8   United States. Apr 19 2010 17:43. Posts 1929 | | |
I really wanted Galfond to ship it with the Q7 oh well |
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Stroggos   New Zealand. Apr 19 2010 18:03. Posts 1117 | | |
shipping a flush draw 250bb deep wouldn't be the best play on the flop against a loose passive players raise. |
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milkman   United States. Apr 19 2010 18:44. Posts 5719 | | |
| On April 19 2010 02:44 WastedGate wrote:
rofl @ doyles shove. i was sure he'd just raise it big. how fucked up on coke is mikey btw? "i play bad when im tired"...yeah when that coke wears off you prolly dont feel all the good hahaha. |
dude its not drugs, hes like pretty much socially retarded.. hes on like a cocktail of different medications fucking with his head trying to help him be able to focus and stay calm n shit.. hes basically just mentally falling apart, u can tell just by some of the clips in the last few shows, i cant imagine all the shit he says that they edit out. |
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Stim_Abuser   United States. Apr 19 2010 18:46. Posts 7499 | | |
| On April 19 2010 16:43 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I really wanted Galfond to ship it with the Q7 oh well |
woulda been a terrible play. his call was pretty bad too afaik. but galfond > me x1000 so meh. |
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kaisr   Canada. Apr 19 2010 18:50. Posts 1058 | | |
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Twisted   Netherlands. Apr 19 2010 19:06. Posts 10422 | | |
| On April 19 2010 17:46 Stim_Abuser wrote:
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On April 19 2010 16:43 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I really wanted Galfond to ship it with the Q7 oh well |
woulda been a terrible play. his call was pretty bad too afaik. but galfond > me x1000 so meh.
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It was pretty borderline but not that bad. He was getting decent odds and enough implied odds to make the call and it looked like Eli wasn't going anywhere. |
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Tien   Canada. Apr 19 2010 22:32. Posts 1605 | | |
Eli seems like a solid player.
Makes the right calls. Doesn't like to fold at all, but doesn't make donkey calls either. You could see Durrrr thinking about bluffing him out, but doesn't because of Eli's reputation.
I liked it when he said "I don't have that fold in me" when commenting on Negreanu's river flush fold against Benyamine. |
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starfritz   Belgium. Apr 20 2010 03:44. Posts 124 | | |
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thinking of getting a coach. how much will they charge just to keep repeating the words, wtf why do u think he is bluffing. since i swear this will up my winrate 5x | |
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Baalim   Mexico. Apr 20 2010 04:13. Posts 34305 | | |
56s would be better than AQs and we all know that doyle is not shoving 56s.
About Galfonds call it was totally fine, shoving is awful, Eli is a passive stationary donkey that overcalled flop and CR an ace high flop, thats obvious nuts and Galdon has probably his entire stack of implied odds, plus theres a chance Eli might check some turns |
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player999   Brasil. Apr 21 2010 01:58. Posts 7978 | | |
| On April 20 2010 03:13 Baal wrote:
56s would be better than AQs and we all know that doyle is not shoving 56s. |
what, how?
he has 20bb, HOWS THAT NOT A SHOVE?? |
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Baalim   Mexico. Apr 21 2010 02:17. Posts 34305 | | |
| On April 21 2010 00:58 player999 wrote:
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On April 20 2010 03:13 Baal wrote:
56s would be better than AQs and we all know that doyle is not shoving 56s. |
what, how?
he has 20bb, HOWS THAT NOT A SHOVE??
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somebody said that it was 28bb deep but it seems it isnt, well then its not a bad shove but against a calling range of QQ+ suited connectors perform equally as good as AQs and PP have even better equity |
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Highcard   Canada. Apr 21 2010 02:39. Posts 5428 | | |
well yes but card removal with AQ is nice feeling |
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dogmeat   Czech Republic. Apr 21 2010 04:02. Posts 6374 | | |
card removal is such a big bs -__- |
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uiCk   Canada. Apr 26 2010 01:37. Posts 3521 | | |
anyone got links for ep 11? seems the usuals had a day off or something..
edit: upon closer inspection, it seems doing oxy and trying to record a show is not a good thing |
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Spicy   United States. Apr 26 2010 02:15. Posts 1027 | | |
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Carthac   United States. Apr 26 2010 02:58. Posts 1343 | | |
After watching that episode, I really want Mike Matusow to get into another drug addiction and bust again
"That's how you play poker boys"............
Complete idiot. Guy has no respect |
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