High Stakes Poker - Page 137

hmm

i think benyamine is fucking with all of us in his post game analysis. just makes no sense.

On April 13 2010 10:25 Twisted wrote: Yeah he was 100% valueraising. That's also why I think that Daniel Negraenu actually made a good fold in that hand :/.

yeah i agree that is actually a very strong fold, raising there with 75s sucks imo

On April 13 2010 12:55 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2010 10:25 Twisted wrote: Yeah he was 100% valueraising. That's also why I think that Daniel Negraenu actually made a good fold in that hand :/. yeah i agree that is actually a very strong fold, raising there with 75s sucks imo

i believe it was a bad fold...do u really think benyamine is ever checking the ace/king high flush on the river there? unlikely. and definitely not often enough to warrant a fold imo

On April 13 2010 20:34 shootair wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2010 12:55 Baal wrote:   On April 13 2010 10:25 Twisted wrote: Yeah he was 100% valueraising. That's also why I think that Daniel Negraenu actually made a good fold in that hand :/. yeah i agree that is actually a very strong fold, raising there with 75s sucks imo i believe it was a bad fold...do u really think benyamine is ever checking the ace/king high flush on the river there? unlikely. and definitely not often enough to warrant a fold imo

That's not the point. He's never bluffraising there with the hand he has. He was value-raising and when he's value-raising he most likely has a bigger flush (combinationswise). Dan Neg read him well and made a correct fold even if it was incorrect in practice.

But u didnt claim that Doyle played his queens like the biggest donk on earth, wtf did he do?

On April 13 2010 21:50 Twisted wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2010 20:34 shootair wrote:   On April 13 2010 12:55 Baal wrote:   On April 13 2010 10:25 Twisted wrote: Yeah he was 100% valueraising. That's also why I think that Daniel Negraenu actually made a good fold in that hand :/. yeah i agree that is actually a very strong fold, raising there with 75s sucks imo i believe it was a bad fold...do u really think benyamine is ever checking the ace/king high flush on the river there? unlikely. and definitely not often enough to warrant a fold imo That's not the point. He's never bluffraising there with the hand he has. He was value-raising and when he's value-raising he most likely has a bigger flush (combinationswise). Dan Neg read him well and made a correct fold even if it was incorrect in practice.

i agree that its never a bluff. but he doesn't put either one on a flush. therefore he's raising any flush for value. I also feel he's leading the A or K high flush on river, not checking (if he wants value against non flush hands). therefore his value c/r range is the J high flush and worse hands than DNs. am i wrong?

I think a fair bit of DN's river mistake is due to his monster turn mistake.

On April 14 2010 03:59 shootair wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2010 21:50 Twisted wrote:   On April 13 2010 20:34 shootair wrote:   On April 13 2010 12:55 Baal wrote:   On April 13 2010 10:25 Twisted wrote: Yeah he was 100% valueraising. That's also why I think that Daniel Negraenu actually made a good fold in that hand :/. yeah i agree that is actually a very strong fold, raising there with 75s sucks imo i believe it was a bad fold...do u really think benyamine is ever checking the ace/king high flush on the river there? unlikely. and definitely not often enough to warrant a fold imo That's not the point. He's never bluffraising there with the hand he has. He was value-raising and when he's value-raising he most likely has a bigger flush (combinationswise). Dan Neg read him well and made a correct fold even if it was incorrect in practice. i agree that its never a bluff. but he doesn't put either one on a flush. therefore he's raising any flush for value. I also feel he's leading the A or K high flush on river, not checking (if he wants value against non flush hands). therefore his value c/r range is the J high flush and worse hands than DNs. am i wrong?

yes you are wrong, if CR with 57s for value would be right then CR with the nuts is also right -.-

davids CR after overcalling the flops is jut bad

On April 14 2010 04:01 Oly wrote: I think a fair bit of DN's river mistake is due to his monster turn mistake.

no

yea i see what ur saying baal....david thought he had the best hand (whether it was the ace high or seven high flush), and i guess thats how he plays, what he though was, the nuts...horrible

On April 14 2010 04:15 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 14 2010 04:01 Oly wrote: I think a fair bit of DN's river mistake is due to his monster turn mistake. no

why didn't daniel bet the turn?

better just to pot control in a 3way pot when it is quite likely 1 other player will have a flush.

he didnt bet the turn because he thinks he is likely only going to get called called one more time and he can make a larger bet on the river

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On April 14 2010 07:42 chris wrote: he didnt bet the turn because he thinks he is likely only going to get called called one more time and he can make a larger bet on the river

Basically this, he believes that he will scare away every non-flush hand with a turn bet and he is right, but he can make a river valuebet and get called by worse.

Benyamine's flop call changed the entire dynamic of the hand, without that Daniel would have probably 3 barreled against Doyle

How did the turn go check check check? Was Doyle pot controlling? It looked like he had given up but then calls the river. Were Benyamine and Negraenu intending on c/ring?

Why does everyone play QQ like a bitch, lol at Benyamine's river c/r wtf. If Benyamine expects Daniel to fold a mid/low flush to a C/R how can he be certain he's going to value two pair/set in the first place? Given turn action can't he just lead river and Daniel can call with a two pair+ and Doyle can find a station call with a straight+, given Doyle will have good odds if he thinks there's a chance he has the best hand?

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On April 14 2010 20:41 LikeASet wrote: Why does everyone play QQ like a bitch, lol at Benyamine's river c/r wtf. If Benyamine expects Daniel to fold a mid/low flush to a C/R how can he be certain he's going to value two pair/set in the first place? Given turn action can't he just lead river and Daniel can call with a two pair+ and Doyle can find a station call with a straight+, given Doyle will have good odds if he thinks there's a chance he has the best hand? Old people clicking buttons...

according to benyamine cuz doyle will have good odds... but daniel, who also has the same exact odds... will fold a stronger hand... ROFL

On April 14 2010 19:23 zulu_nation8 wrote: How did the turn go check check check? Was Doyle pot controlling? It looked like he had given up but then calls the river. Were Benyamine and Negraenu intending on c/ring?

the way the action went, betting the river with QQ is quite bad since its extremely likely benyamine has a flush