free monies if you catch me...

I will give anyone $100 for each time you catch me playing any of the following:

Home Games
2/4NL+
Any Multi-table tournaments
Any other non NLHE games

The rules are as follows. I cannot play 2/4 until I have played 100k hands total at 1/2NL. I cannot play MTTs until I have played 100k hands at 1/2NL. I CAN however play 16$ sngs on Stars and any 180 man sngs because I need to build my roll back up there.

Also I cannot be on ventrilo or AIM or myspace or facebook or ANYTHING while playing a session. If you catch me on AIM (talking of course), or on Vent during a session, I ship you 100$.


My Stars username is sooon2b
My Full Tilt username is readmyline (This is the primary account I play cash games on.)

Goodluck all.

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PROP BET

Making a prop bet with Jeff(Missot) as to whether or not I can maintain 7ptbb over those 100k hands. The time limit is within 2 months.

If anyone wants action, here are the details.

2-1 odds that I can hold 7ptbb over 100k hands.

I will allow up to $1500 in prop bets.

If you want in, make sure you are 100% sure. Then PM me and I will take note of it in a word document.

Good luck to me, holla

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I just want to make it known. FREEROLLS, AND FPP TOURNAMENTS do not count for the 100$ free monies. I CAN be on vent while playing them. The 100$ bet pertains to me not spending actual money on MTT's(aside from the 180 mans listed, sngs, and fpp mtts, as well as freerolls). I can be on vent during these. I cannot however be on vent while playing cash games.

Milkman just got 100$ because I was on vent while playing freerolls and an FPP tournament. This will be the last time. I did not make it clear before, and now it is.

Also, I updated my blog yesterday with my first 10k hands.

im going to stalk the shit out of you like its my job.

might as well just ship it now

Also, I forgot to add this.

I cannot be on ventrilo or AIM or myspace or facebook or ANYTHING while playing a session. If you catch me on AIM (talking of course), or on Vent during a session, I ship you 100$.

Glglglgl

Making a prop bet with Jeff(Missot) as well as to whether or not I can maintain 7ptbb over those 100k hands. The time limit is within 2 months.

If anyone wants action, here are the details.

2-1 odds that I can hold 7ptbb over 100k hands.

I will allow up to $1500 in prop bets.

If you want in, make sure you are 100% sure. Then PM me and I will take note of it in a word document.

Good luck to me, holla

its not a game.
he thinks that stuff is affecting his game and by doing this
he might never do the shit, or he would have to pay $100.
its like a please self-commitment.

so i wouldn't bother to look out for him.

...
but now that its said. he might do it..

lol

k i got 5 that says u cant make the 7ptbb/100 over 100K hands in next 2 months. and 5 more says u go bust b4 100K hands.

u get 2:1 on the ptbb/100 bet, i get 1:2 on the busto bet

i'll take the same prop bet as Missot except i'll give you 2 to 1
100 dimes

Put me down for $50 on the 100k hands 7 pt/bb

Put me down for $50 on the 100k hands 7 pt/bb

put me down for 1.5k on that prop bet (or as much as i can get) on the condition someone like nazgul holds on to the money from both sides and you automatically forfeit if you try and cheat and get friends to dump $ to u.

is this guy known?
why u all trusting a 21 post user on a 100 bux bet?

skinsfan any1?

Note: sooonb dont take this personnal, its just so many low post count user scams, im wondering why they all trusting like this

Most of these guys know me from vent. I am sure they will all vouch for me

Ket, I am not comfortable with an escrowe right now. Anyone here can vouch for me. Also, I would like to keep the bets at a minimum for $250 a piece so that multiple people can get action on this, and so that an escrowe is not needed at $250 is really not that much. If you want, you can take the remainder of the 1500 cap once all other bets have been placed.

Also, I think its given that if I cheat, I auto forfeit.

On February 20 2007 21:58 sooon2b wrote: Ket, I am not comfortable with an escrowe right now.

explain?

hmmmmmm 7ptbb is kinda high... can anyone calculate how many buy ins is that over 100k hands?

i got 280 but that cant be right

lol i smell scam

On February 20 2007 22:16 TwistedEcho wrote: Show nested quote + On February 20 2007 21:58 sooon2b wrote: Ket, I am not comfortable with an escrowe right now. explain?

Because my roll has taken a significant hit over the past few days(hence all of this shit I am now forcing myself to do.) Removing 1500$ from it would make me slightly uncomfortable. I will be fine with an escrowe once the roll is back around 15k or so.

On February 20 2007 22:53 newbie.cjb wrote: lol i smell scam

he's not a scammer; he's been on vent for ages

On February 20 2007 23:07 TimDawg wrote: Show nested quote + On February 20 2007 22:53 newbie.cjb wrote: lol i smell scam he's not a scammer; he's been on vent for ages

ill ditto that

(as if dawgs word isnt good enough for you)

On February 20 2007 22:51 JohnnyBologna wrote: hmmmmmm 7ptbb is kinda high... can anyone calculate how many buy ins is that over 100k hands?

1 ptbb = two big blinds

its calculated in ptbb/100 hands

100,000/100 = 1000
7 * $4 = $28

1000 * $28 = $28,000
someone please give me a cookie

I will take the 7ptbb/100 bet... as Ket said ONLY if somebody acts and a middle man, otherwise i wont.


i advice you ALL not to take any bets unless there is a middle man

you're laying 2:1 on the winrate bet? if so, i'll take it for $100

also, middleman plz

dudes, sooon2b is a trustworthy guy, If he doesnt pay, I'll drive to turningstone and whoop that ass, u guys can do the same .

there is no reasonable reason to believe hes premeditated a scam, i just want insurance against the possibility he'll realise hes not gonna win the bet after playing like 60k hands, and decide to do a houdini because it turns out he made more bets than he can afford to pay. we're only human. im gonna have to insist on a middleman holding money from both sides.

Ket, thats why I am capping at 1.5k. Everyone knows I am a winner at 1/2, and will obv make some decent amount of money. Even if I run at 5ptbb(which is quite easy), ill make 20k. With 4k rakeback, 20k profit, and current roll, you think 1.5k is alot to me? I am doing this to keep me motivated and playing my A game. Pulling a houdini would be somewhat impossible considering I am good friends with most of these guys and talk to them daily.

I would not mind an escrow once my roll is around 15k or so. Its a comfort issue for me.

If having an escrowe is that big of a deal, then lets just call off the prop bet? I am doing it for you guys.

Also, I want to make sure everyone has this straight. By 2-1 odds, that means if you bet 100$, and I lose, I owe you 100. If I succeed, you owe me $200. If I have this wrong, sorry :-. The people on vent were aware of this, but its late and just want to make sure everyone else is.

Lastly, I will be updating my blog in 10k hand increments with hand histories, graphs, and pt screenshots.

Ok I want a piece of it. $100 on ur ptbb/100hands thing at 2:1.

geez lol no one else wants a peice of the busto bet?

On February 21 2007 02:20 im.topher wrote: geez lol no one else wants a peice of the busto bet?

no, because its a completely retarded bet.

your roll is only 15k yet you say 1.5k is nothing to you??

OHHHH i thought u were laying us 2:1. haha this makes a lot more sense.
is there any stipulation on how many tables ur gonna play at once? i think this is very doable like 1-2tabling and finding good tables but almost impossible if you 8-12table

yea 7ptbb/100 is def. doable at 1/2NL but it will be quite hard because he also needs to play 100,000 hands in 2 months, so basically he needs to be at least 4 tabling and then he needs to play like 5 hours a day on average.

i would take a 1:1 prop bet up to $500 if u want soon2b.

and PS: i kind of like it that u will be off of ventrilo for 2 months, since ur sending a page constantly and playing loud music while i play a session is kinda annoying

you have 15k why do you freaking care to use a middle man?

Anyone who takes his word for a bet is a retard, simply because there is no real reason not to use a middle man, everybody is trustworthy.... until they owe $6,000 in lost propbets.

You dont know how many people are going to take this bet u dont know how much he could loose if he doesnt (rofl he wont) archieve his goal.

Actually I don't think it's too impossible, initially I thought "LOL NO" but late last year I played ~70k hands at stars 200nl in the space of just over a month (As a bit of a similar self challenge to cram hands after a big cashout) with a 4.24ptbb winrate and I was 9-12 tabling the whole time so I think it's doable if you play less tables and are better than me. But obviously I arrogantly assume you're worse than me so I'll bet like $200 or whatever you'll let me bet lol . I guess you can't really take more than 1 or 2 hundred from each person if your total limit is $1.5k
Damn you Ket trying to hog all the propbet action

Baal a middle man is always preferable in prob bets, means you pay upfront so no one can be gay and not pay up. I'm pretty sure he's saying he'll take prop bets up to a $1.5k TOTAL, if he's taking it up to $1.5k per person he won't have a roll to play with if he's using a middle man which would be retarded obviously

I dont have 15k right now. I have closer to 7k. I am sorry but its a psychological thing at the moment. ONCE I have 15k, I wont mind a middle man.

I will be playing between 6 and 8 tables at all times. I have a dual monitor setup, and full tilt tables are not nearly as fast as stars. I can play optimally 8 tabling. I will be using game selection as well.

Also, its 1.5k Prop Bets TOTAL. Not 1.5k a person.

You would be laying me 2-1. So, if its a $100 bet, if I lose, I owe you $100, if I win you owe $200. Keep that in mind so you can chop your bet in half.

Like I said, I wont mind a middle man once my roll is slightly larger. I am a bit of a bankroll nit. Its a psychological thing.

Lastly, do you guys want to take action with other people? I have some friends that would like to bet on me(dont know why, lol).

I want you guys to know I am just doing this to force myself to play my A game at all times, and in general, not be a retard at the tables. I am hoping doing this will improve me as a player in many different ways(tilt, actual playing ability, better at table selection, etc)

On February 21 2007 02:37 Ket wrote: OHHHH i thought u were laying us 2:1. haha this makes a lot more sense. is there any stipulation on how many tables ur gonna play at once? i think this is very doable like 1-2tabling and finding good tables but almost impossible if you 8-12table

i dont think someone can realistically play 100k hands in 2 months only 2 tabling.

On February 21 2007 03:01 Joe wrote: yea 7ptbb/100 is def. doable at 1/2NL but it will be quite hard because he also needs to play 100,000 hands in 2 months, so basically he needs to be at least 4 tabling and then he needs to play like 5 hours a day on average. i would take a 1:1 prop bet up to $500 if u want soon2b. and PS: i kind of like it that u will be off of ventrilo for 2 months, since ur sending a page constantly and playing loud music while i play a session is kinda annoying

I will just be off during sessions. No worries, I will still be on when I am drunk


Which reminds me, if any of you guys catch me playing while drunk, thats $100 to you as well.

i dont rly feel like betting so ill be the middle man and keep track of the bets if u want

updates?

Karma you should realize theres a HUGE difference in 4bb/100 and 7bb/100....

Actually i dont think anybody currently has 4bb/100+ longterm winrate on 200nl SH on stars... not sure on FullTilt wich is fishier.


Anyway ill take the bet with some of those friends but i said ONLY if there is a middle man.

Baal, please do not take any offense to this, but what stakes do you play? Of course there are 4ptbb winners on stars. I am fairly certain there are a few 7ptbb+ winners on FTP. 1/2 NL is really not that hard. Also, this is not the first time I have played 1/2. I have played all the way up to 5/10. 1/2 is qutie easy compared to these levels. People at these levels still have tons of leaks which are very exploitable.

The only reason 7ptbb would not be attainable for me would be if I tilt(trying to eliminate all things that cause me to tilt). I generally dont tilt at 1/2 because the money does not affect me like the money at 2/4 does.

Or, if I did happen to run like ass for 100k hands, which is possible.

Tell me the nickname of a Stars regulars who surpass 4BB/100 on SH 1/2?

put me down for 50 once there is a middle man

On February 21 2007 16:22 Baal wrote: Tell me the nickname of a Stars regulars who surpass 4BB/100 on SH 1/2?

TalentedTom

On February 21 2007 17:43 Floofy wrote: Show nested quote + On February 21 2007 16:22 Baal wrote: Tell me the nickname of a Stars regulars who surpass 4BB/100 on SH 1/2? TalentedTom

HANDS DOWN

On February 21 2007 16:22 Baal wrote: Tell me the nickname of a Stars regulars who surpass 4BB/100 on SH 1/2?

There are none because the ones who can immediately move up to 2/4 and higher

I know 4-7 is a big jump Baal, but if he runs reasonably well and plays less tables (Table selection obv) I'm sure he can maintain it. I mean you don't need to be an amazingly loose or creative player or whatever, there's plenty of fish and not many good regs. I was playing like 18/14/3 stats so semi nitty

Here's a few who I think might be able to do it with 4 or less tables and running decent who I saw on stars 1/2nl when I was playing late last yr: dont_bother, smellmuth, rotterdaum, snakekilla88, mr larry (or something), lukieplaya, jonnycosmo(!), taqtix(!), chekstak, dcal_zone and this guy who had a picture of a bunch of carrots whos name I can't remember

I know most of those guys are currently playing higher

On February 21 2007 19:18 FrinkX wrote: Show nested quote + On February 21 2007 16:22 Baal wrote: Tell me the nickname of a Stars regulars who surpass 4BB/100 on SH 1/2? There are none because the ones who can immediately move up to 2/4 and higher

exactly, I am glad someone realized this. Why the fuck would someone play 1/2 permanently.

And karma hit it spot on, snakekilla88, dont bother, carrotsnake, and snowbank are the best 1/2 regs that still dip into that game. Most have moved up. I am pretty sure any good 2/4+ reg could smash 1/2 for 7ptbb+.

Honestly dude, I think you are just talking out your ass. If you didnt see my statement before, I have played up to 5/10. Its not like I am just now moving up to 1/2 and stating I can make 7ptbb. I believe I have the necessary skills to hit that winrate over 100k hands.

The whole reason I am doing this is for a few reasons

1) To motivate myself
2) To learn what grinding is
3) To have a very solid bankroll for 2/4, 3/6 when I am done, big enough to where the money doesnt affect me like it does right now.
4) To learn not to tilt
5) To clean up any leaks I may still have
and some more

I am doing the prop bet to simply add motivation to this goal

Snowbank is an absolute nit and im up on him either on 1/2 and 2/4
Carrotsnake is a tiltmonkey donator and im up quite a lot on him
Dontbother0 is a mini-twincaracas and im up even with him
Rotterdaum (BBM) is a decent player still i dont think he has an overall standins over 4ptbb/100, and im even with him
havent played much with smellmuth, we play at different times
SnakeKilla is good and sadly im down him him because he is such a ridiculous lucksack against me
dcal_zone lol
lukie_playa lol
johnny cosmo lol
Taqtix standard tag post on lp, im up on him



Personally i dont think any of them can sustain 7ptbb/100 over 100k hands unless they run good like some of them did like SnakeKilla

On February 22 2007 14:15 Baal wrote: Snowbank is an absolute nit and im up on him either on 1/2 and 2/4 Carrotsnake is a tiltmonkey donator and im up quite a lot on him Dontbother0 is a mini-twincaracas and im up even with him Rotterdaum (BBM) is a decent player still i dont think he has an overall standins over 4ptbb/100, and im even with him havent played much with smellmuth, we play at different times SnakeKilla is good and sadly im down him him because he is such a ridiculous lucksack against me dcal_zone lol lukie_playa lol johnny cosmo lol Taqtix standard tag post on lp, im up on him Personally i dont think any of them can sustain 7ptbb/100 over 100k hands unless they run good like some of them did like SnakeKilla

What is your stars name? I would like to know who you are.

You realize dontbother0 is zappyb, right? Honestly, I could care less what you are up or down vs these guys. I am up around 2.5k vs cts from 2/4 and 3/6. Does that make me better than him? Not even close. Did I maybe run better than him at times? Sure. Did I play better than him in a hand or 2, certainly. I am by no means better though.

Who cares if someones a nit at 1/2. Maybe thats why people like you cant sustain 7ptbb+? Honestly, you do not need a lag image to get paid off at 1/2. Also, pre flop is quite irrelevent in general. People focus way to much on how they play preflop. The only affect preflop play has on the games is it can add alot more variance(the stars 3/6 game for example). Post flop play is what matters.

I will tell you that I found the stars game to be slightly tougher than the FTP game, but it also plays quite differently.

You saying lukieplaya is lol just shows how much you are talking out your ass. Straate, tom, and other plays that I am sure are much better than you, and myself, all agree he is an extremely solid player.

I am nearly 100% certain most of those guys could maintain 7ptbb with exception of cosmo, dcal_zone, and maybe rotterdaum(although I think he probably could). Snakekilla could, carrot can and has(aside from his tilt problems, heh), and I am fairly certain snowbank has. I actually just asked snowbank and he said it ranges between 7-10. He also said he would drop down stakes for a month if you guys would like a prop bet with him.

You need to realize that most people tend to move up when beating a game like 1/2 for 7ptbb+. Why wouldnt they? Thats why there are not many 1/2 regulars now with 7ptbb+, because the good ones move up.

I have 10k hands down so far. Once I get my roll back to comfortable levels, I will have 0 problem with an escrow, and I would like to get this prop bet set in stone, for those that are still interested. PM me or hit me up on AIM at shb1024

What is your stars name? I would like to know who you are.

His id is baalim.

Winrate depends a lot on game selection and how many tables you play. More accurate number is $/hour. Most of these guys you mentioned would def. not be able to maintain 7ptbb/100 over a large sample size playing many tables. Although the 1/2 game is not extremely hard it's nothing like the old partypoker days where players could 12table and basically nit it up getting >5ptbb/100.

Datamined stats for 1/2nl stars 6m last dec. 3 players from top20 most hands played have >4ptbb/100. Only one above 5.3(heater sup).

u guys r the gay

On February 24 2007 15:34 sooon2b wrote: Show nested quote + On February 22 2007 14:15 Baal wrote: Snowbank is an absolute nit and im up on him either on 1/2 and 2/4 Carrotsnake is a tiltmonkey donator and im up quite a lot on him Dontbother0 is a mini-twincaracas and im up even with him Rotterdaum (BBM) is a decent player still i dont think he has an overall standins over 4ptbb/100, and im even with him havent played much with smellmuth, we play at different times SnakeKilla is good and sadly im down him him because he is such a ridiculous lucksack against me dcal_zone lol lukie_playa lol johnny cosmo lol Taqtix standard tag post on lp, im up on him Personally i dont think any of them can sustain 7ptbb/100 over 100k hands unless they run good like some of them did like SnakeKilla What is your stars name? I would like to know who you are. You realize dontbother0 is zappyb, right? Honestly, I could care less what you are up or down vs these guys. I am up around 2.5k vs cts from 2/4 and 3/6. Does that make me better than him? Not even close. Did I maybe run better than him at times? Sure. Did I play better than him in a hand or 2, certainly. I am by no means better though. Who cares if someones a nit at 1/2. Maybe thats why people like you cant sustain 7ptbb+? Honestly, you do not need a lag image to get paid off at 1/2. Also, pre flop is quite irrelevent in general. People focus way to much on how they play preflop. The only affect preflop play has on the games is it can add alot more variance(the stars 3/6 game for example). Post flop play is what matters. I will tell you that I found the stars game to be slightly tougher than the FTP game, but it also plays quite differently. You saying lukieplaya is lol just shows how much you are talking out your ass. Straate, tom, and other plays that I am sure are much better than you, and myself, all agree he is an extremely solid player. I am nearly 100% certain most of those guys could maintain 7ptbb with exception of cosmo, dcal_zone, and maybe rotterdaum(although I think he probably could). Snakekilla could, carrot can and has(aside from his tilt problems, heh), and I am fairly certain snowbank has. I actually just asked snowbank and he said it ranges between 7-10. He also said he would drop down stakes for a month if you guys would like a prop bet with him. You need to realize that most people tend to move up when beating a game like 1/2 for 7ptbb+. Why wouldnt they? Thats why there are not many 1/2 regulars now with 7ptbb+, because the good ones move up. I have 10k hands down so far. Once I get my roll back to comfortable levels, I will have 0 problem with an escrow, and I would like to get this prop bet set in stone, for those that are still interested. PM me or hit me up on AIM at shb1024

I would suggest you shouldn't be so arrogant and condescending.

Taq, thats the stars game. I know for a fact there are at least 3 above 7 on ftp.

Also, I am not saying it can be done 100%. I think I can do it, but obviously we will have to see after 100k hands.

Ill do $250 dollars sooon2b.. but if i win i expect you to be fair as im sure you are and vise versa

You can datamine stars? By the way I seriously doubt it can be done 8 tabling, I was thinking you can do it only if playing like 4 or less tables

On February 22 2007 14:15 Baal wrote: Snowbank is an absolute nit and im up on him either on 1/2 and 2/4 Carrotsnake is a tiltmonkey donator and im up quite a lot on him Dontbother0 is a mini-twincaracas and im up even with him Rotterdaum (BBM) is a decent player still i dont think he has an overall standins over 4ptbb/100, and im even with him havent played much with smellmuth, we play at different times SnakeKilla is good and sadly im down him him because he is such a ridiculous lucksack against me dcal_zone lol lukie_playa lol johnny cosmo lol Taqtix standard tag post on lp, im up on him Personally i dont think any of them can sustain 7ptbb/100 over 100k hands unless they run good like some of them did like SnakeKilla

pretty sure lukieplaya is the best (least bad) player on that list

owned by taqtix

On February 25 2007 02:53 Baal wrote: owned by taqtix

uhh
i dont know about you, but if i was winning >7ptbb after say 15k hands, im not gonna play 1/2 anymore

pretty biased results

Yeh, ive been thinking about it alot lately. With all of this anti online gambling shit starting to take effect, I think I am going to just play 1/2 until I have 20k in my account. I will be stopping roughly. If all goes well and I am able to maintain 7ptbb, I will make the 15-16k I need by 65k hands give or take 5k. I guess the prop bet is off. I really think it would be a waste of my time to play all 100k hands at 1/2 as I can certainly beat 2/4 and 3/6. Sorry guys, dont mean to be a bitch and bail out, but for those of you with commons sense, I am sure youll understand.

As far as the 100$ for me doing all that shit, it still applies. Heres the rundown again.

I CAN play 180 man sngs and regular sngs on stars, as well as any freerolls or FPP mtts.
I CAN also be on vent/AIM while playing these

I CANT play any other MTTs but the ones listed above
I CANT play 2/4+ until my bankroll has reached 20k, and I am able to provide a screenshot for proof
I CANT play PLO or any other games
I CANT play while drunk


If I do anything I am not supposed to, 100$

If I forgot anything, just revert back to the main page.

thats why a escrow is wise, cuz things can change
once an escrow is involved, the bet and rules are closer to being set in stone once he (the middleman) has the money from both sides and theres agreement

told u scamaments

On February 21 2007 04:28 Baal wrote: everybody is trustworthy.... until they owe $6,000 in lost propbets.

sooon2b is trustworthy... close friend of mine, we have both lent eachother significant amounts of money online.

oh and I'll take that bet for $500