Diablo 4. (Diablo 2 was 21 years ago!)

People are praising this trailer for being so dark. I don't know. I think it's pretty good but still not as dark as D2 or D1. Some of the characters looked "Pixary". Lilith looks pretty cool though, I actually like the design. I'm looking forward to playing the game but the release probably won't be until 2021 I assume.

the gameplay looks dark, so far it seems in darkness rating I would say D1>D2>D4>D3

looks promising and an improvement over D3

yeah dark is always better. that's why Revenge of the Sith was a great movie. I know D3 was considered more cartoony or something and I get the point but that's not the whole issue. looks like the same old obnoxious cinematics and attempts at epic storytelling.

lol "diablo 2 was 21 years ago" sooo diablo was 23 years ago

So many people were complaining about D3
but it was the best selling Blizzard game by far :O

I guess overwatch is now
but D3 30 mill
SC+BW 11 mill what

i thought D2 was too cartoony when it came out, but imo is the best in the series.

here's some D1:

there are some gameplay videos it looks like its using D3's engine but has the gameplay of D2 which is essentially what everyone wanted, lets see how it goes though

On November 06 2019 09:10 Santafairy wrote:

I played D1 when young and I had exactly the same experience than in the vid lol, i killed him with firewalls he was so difficult to just face straight on

diablo 1 multiplayer was hilarious. All of the item files were kept locally on the computer. they had "trainers". i used the boba fett trainer lmao

you could literally browse the person's game files while in the same game as them. copy, delete, or even change their player class.

This was my go-to method for killing The Butcher

I enjoyed playing D3 with girlfriend, coop couch mode was nice. But still think D1 was the best of the first three.

D1 was holy shit
D2 was crack (online)
D3 I didn't play much

Meph and Pindle runs had me good. Same with Cows and Baal. My roommates thought I was nuts doing the same thing over and over again.

d2 was one of the best games ever made.
d4 trailer is literally nuts, I love it. Game looks dark and promising as well.

If they would have a brain they would just remake d2 core gameplay with new grapgics, stats and some micropayments like auction house and the game would be a bomb.

On November 06 2019 08:58 LemOn[5thF] wrote: I guess overwatch is now but D3 30 mill SC+BW 11 mill what

But the sales doesn't tell the whole story. Personally bought both games. Played D3 roughly 2 months and then never touched it again. Played D2 maybe 4 years or more.

I liked d3 more than d2, but I never liked grinding and basically only played both games until I beat it on normal mode. d3 single player without auction house was super fun for a month or so, which is actually really good value from a game.

Path of Exile is pretty much the nuts
D4 should copy some of their ideas or is going to be another failure

Path of Exhile can be very unwelcoming to casual player thought, the skill tree is insane.

On November 06 2019 16:30 Daut wrote: I enjoyed playing D3 with girlfriend, coop couch mode was nice. But still think D1 was the best of the first three.

I agree, D1 is the best, I got my nickname from a scroll you read there about the trinity of hell.

Then it came D2 and made my nick way less obscure and cool lol.

D1 was so good I wish they'd improve mechanics and i'd definitely run it again. I also played "a lot" ofvd2. D3 was very diaappointing. I beat it once and then I was done with it. I Don't know if i'll play d4. Cinemstics didn't do it for me.

On November 07 2019 03:24 Raidern wrote: I Don't know if i'll play d4. Cinemstics didn't do it for me.

This cinematic is beyond epic. Already watched it 4 times lol.

And yea D2 was dope. If my parents had let me I would have played it 24/7 for months probably. Envied my classmates so much who didnt have these restrictions :D

I dunno If I ll play the game though, didnt like D3 at all. Plus also I dont enjoy these types of games nowadays.

I will definitely play W3 Reforged

I think I'm leaving liquidpoker and going to reddit or youtube where people don't make a joke out of everyone

excited to see this thread bumped... see this emo bullshit post -_-

POE 2 looks solid too

Looks like PoE 1 but with better graphics... and unless they got rid of that awful talent building tree there's no way im even trying this. I had a dude explain to me over hours of how to build trees and diff builds and you legit need to spend over 200hrs++++ prob to know what the fuck you're doing currently and it doesn't feel like its worth it. You'd get much more "value" out of other games by spending that amount of time. There are so many other different elements which also require shittons of hours to grasp too.. if you wanna play the game at a decent level it's just insane


And I mean.. huge props to the game designers but its kind of too much for me. I prefer games that have less knowledge-entry but big learning gap than having huge knowledge-entry just to end up doing the same content over and over

On November 20 2019 00:39 Spitfiree wrote: And I mean.. huge props to the game designers but its kind of too much for me. I prefer games that have less knowledge-entry but big learning gap than having huge knowledge-entry just to end up doing the same content over and over

isn't PoE exactly that?

You can sloppy alocate your points and stuff and finish the game, its only when you want to perfect your build when it gets complex.

Not really its just that the difference between decent-level and high level is insane, but decent-level of play requires hundreds of hours itself

I had a guy help me out (he had prob over 1k+ hrs played) when i played for a bit and he gave me the basics and did the build for me plus explained basics and I realized it would take ages to improve, simply because there is too many aspects of the game you have to consider

ugh gonna avoid D4 like crack.

PoE was indeed a sick game but i didn't wanna try that hard on an rpg lol

I just played PoE again... theres a lot of new content, great game the only thing that is weak is the story.

has anyone tried this wolcen game? i saw on steam looks pretty good

https://pathofdiablo.com/ is supposed to be pretty solid

On February 13 2020 20:37 CamilaPunt wrote: has anyone tried this wolcen game? i saw on steam looks pretty good

it's crap.

It's super buggy and uninspired. I only played for a bit offline but the game crashed a few times and it removes a lot of your progress, sometimes the whole act when it crashes. Skill rune design is so similar to D3, even visually, it's a total rip off. They also ripped off some monster designs like the Butcher, Kitava, look almost exactly the same and the fights are the same, etc. They even ripped off some POE skill effects like Headhunter and they gave it the exact same name for the same skill. I even caught them ripping off a line from a novel I've read. The story is super boring and feels like a chore to read like it's your average MMORPG. It's a bad mix of both D3 and POE and the gimmick where you can turn the skill tree around doesn't really give you much more options than if they didn't move.

So Diablo 2 remaster is in the works, and I'm bumping this thread to let y'all know that you can play it in its current alpha state right now if you want to, and those who have preordered the game can also play together by LAN.

This is used to download the game (anyone can dl it):
https://github.com/barncastle/Battle.Net-Installer/releases/tag/v1.3

Once you have the BNetInstaller place it somewhere easy to navigate to like C:/. Then you use CMD or PowerShell to download the game by typing in there these two commands:

cd C:/

./BNetInstaller.exe --prod osib --lang enus --dir "C:/D2R"

This is the offline patcher:
https://github.com/ferib/D2R-Offline

This is the LAN mod:
https://github.com/shalzuth/D2RModding

I got a bit mad at them for wanting 40 euros for a remastered game. Seems so unreasonable...especially considering they won't solve the botting issue, I played Diablo 2 two years ago and it was literally BOTS only and there is no reason for me to think this would change...

Thanks for posting those, Loco - I get to check it out

On November 05 2019 23:47 LikeASet wrote: People are praising this trailer for being so dark. I don't know. I think it's pretty good but still not as dark as D2 or D1. Some of the characters looked "Pixary". Lilith looks pretty cool though, I actually like the design. I'm looking forward to playing the game but the release probably won't be until 2021 I assume.

lol @ 2021

I need to get into the nft business.

unsurprisingly he didn't drop any loot

every game from the series of Diablo is amazing, I'm a big fan

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Diablo Immortal is amazing. Haters gonna hate.

I used to play Diablo 1 on old Mac computers when I was in high school. Good memories.

I want d4 badly, diablo immortal truly wasn't that bad, I need to finish the campaign, was super ez so far.

Also PuertoRican ban flowey33 for the spambot post up there, ty my man!

Thing with Immortal seems to be that the gamerz hate it for understandable reasons like being too easy and Blizzard trying to rob you. But if you just want fun and addictive time killer, it's really good for that.

On September 19 2022 18:38 CurbStomp2 wrote: Thing with Immortal seems to be that the gamerz hate it for understandable reasons like being too easy and Blizzard trying to rob you. But if you just want fun and addictive time killer, it's really good for that.

Seems like a stupidified D3.. and D3 was the worst of all Diablos

Wasn't a free mobile game though.

anyone who pays money for a modern video game let alone a blizzard game in 2022 is mentally retarded

On September 21 2022 16:11 Santafairy wrote: anyone who pays money for a modern video game let alone a blizzard game in 2022 is mentally retarded

There are people spending up to 100k on diablo immortal. Where does blizzard go from here?

If diablo4 isn't free to play I'm gonna buy for sure just to play multi with friends. Not too hard to get solo video games free online. If anything buying games is fine but it's the microtransactions for skins/cosmetics that drives me mad, seems like quite a bad way to spend money if you ask me.

But fuck 100k on diablo immortal, that is some sad shit.

On September 21 2022 22:45 Stroggoz wrote: Show nested quote + On September 21 2022 16:11 Santafairy wrote: anyone who pays money for a modern video game let alone a blizzard game in 2022 is mentally retarded There are people spending up to 100k on diablo immortal. Where does blizzard go from here?

who cares?

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a lot of new gameplay/trailers are out. it's being released June 6th 2023. I pre-purchased it, it looks pretty cool imo.

10min 55s

Yeah, I will probably end up pre-purchasing it as well. Get in early for the beta. We should game together old friend.

On December 10 2022 14:31 FrinkX wrote: a lot of new gameplay/trailers are out. it's being released June 6th 2023. I pre-purchased it, it looks pretty cool imo. 10min 55s

it looks amazing

On December 11 2022 01:11 RiKD wrote: Yeah, I will probably end up pre-purchasing it as well. Get in early for the beta. We should game together old friend.

sounds good, will bump this thread when the time comes!

They are releasing it on the 6th of the 6th, bunch of satan worshipers huh? Won't play it but it looks closer to diablo 2 than diablo 3, which seems like a good thing.

Come to the Dark Side Strog. You know you want to.

I will have a GREAT clan in diablo 4, the likes of which have never been seen. We will be super active for the first 5 days GUARANTEED. Think I'm rolling a Sorceress. Definitely not rolling barb or necro.

I'm looking forward to the game, I hope there's a lot better systems than D3 which was pretty lame except for right after the release. Just pigeon holed you into wearing your class set and weapon with biggest number on it.

Hoping the systems are fun/complicated enough that there is build diversity like in POE, even the meta builds generally have some variations. A simplified POE with better feeling combat & diablo aesthetics is my ideal. Know blizz lately they will dumb it all down far too much.

YES! Mez is in for at least 5 days GUARANTEED. lol.

I am worried that they will dumb it down far too much too but I'm already in for the buy-in. It sucks to be at the mercy of a company like Blizzard (today) but I was the doofus who put the money down this damn early. Well, you reap what you sow or so they say.

I missed first access lol.

But, beta starts Friday 9 PM Pacific I believe. If you pre-bought you can dl now. If you didn't you can dl Wednesday on PS5 or PC. I'm hoping PS5 couch co-op can play with PC nerds too.

I wasn't able to do couch co-op with my girlfriend last weekend on the PS5, my character never loaded in the game. The game has cross-play so I was able to play with her by being on the PC, but that required buying another copy of the game. It was alright, nothing amazing, but will probably play one of the new unlocked classes next weekend. I don't think the game has the potential to keep me interested for months on end, but it's a fun experience to play with a grill.

On March 22 2023 06:06 Loco wrote: I wasn't able to do couch co-op with my girlfriend last weekend on the PS5, my character never loaded in the game. The game has cross-play so I was able to play with her by being on the PC, but that required buying another copy of the game. It was alright, nothing amazing, but will probably play one of the new unlocked classes next weekend. I don't think the game has the potential to keep me interested for months on end, but it's a fun experience to play with a grill.

I've heard that its better than D3 but worse than D2... I mean D2 is considered one of the best games ever + nostalgia, of the criticism that I've heard the one that sounds awful is that minions are proportionally as strong as your level which sounds bad, its pretty cool to feel powerless in certain areas so you have to grind more and being a god when you move back down to lower lvls, how would that system work when there are big discrepancies in lvl between players?

D3 upon release was hard as hell and felt very fresh, aside from the RMAH fiasco. D2 is always great but there's nothing to do once you have a lot of good gear, there's very few games going on at all times and ladder resets aren't my thing. D4 right now is kinda boring, it feels like you're doing the same mind-numbing MMORPG quest all the time. It has more potential by introducing new world bosses, but despite that it feels like a more casual game than both D2 and D3. Not enough active skill slots (they wanted to accommodate console players), the skill tree isn't very complex, the ability to transform every rare into a legendary is odd. The hunt for items felt more trivial with things having less synergy than in other games, but it's early too judge without seeing the end-game items.

Mobs don't scale down to your level, but they scale up. So you can feel powerless for sure if you go to a much higher level area, but you don't get to steamroll everything from low level zones, they adapt to you.

On March 23 2023 16:28 Loco wrote: D3 upon release was hard as hell and felt very fresh, aside from the RMAH fiasco. D2 is always great but there's nothing to do once you have a lot of good gear, there's very few games going on at all times and ladder resets aren't my thing. D4 right now is kinda boring, it feels like you're doing the same mind-numbing MMORPG quest all the time. It has more potential by introducing new world bosses, but despite that it feels like a more casual game than both D2 and D3. Not enough active skill slots (they wanted to accommodate console players), the skill tree isn't very complex, the ability to transform every rare into a legendary is odd. The hunt for items felt more trivial with things having less synergy than in other games, but it's early too judge without seeing the end-game items. Mobs don't scale down to your level, but they scale up. So you can feel powerless for sure if you go to a much higher level area, but you don't get to steamroll everything from low level zones, they adapt to you.

the cross platform thing always ends up sucking because they have to simplify a lot for console I hope it doesnt end up sucking because of that.

I'm gonna wait for the release since they are gonna wipe the progress. I don't expect D4 to be made for console while forgetting PC. I was hoping it wasn't too casual but I mean I guess it's diablo in a modern era. Theres always PoE but I kinna overplayed it.

On March 22 2023 06:06 Loco wrote: I wasn't able to do couch co-op with my girlfriend last weekend on the PS5, my character never loaded in the game. The game has cross-play so I was able to play with her by being on the PC, but that required buying another copy of the game. It was alright, nothing amazing, but will probably play one of the new unlocked classes next weekend. I don't think the game has the potential to keep me interested for months on end, but it's a fun experience to play with a grill.

the most beautiful thing about the future is whether there's a second civil war or there's a communist revolution, either way this guy is getting purged

I'd love to have an opinion on this game but between login queues, errors, and disconnects I've barely played it. To be expected.

On March 24 2023 14:31 Oddeye wrote: I'm gonna wait for the release since they are gonna wipe the progress. I don't expect D4 to be made for console while forgetting PC. I was hoping it wasn't too casual but I mean I guess it's diablo in a modern era. Theres always PoE but I kinna overplayed it.

PoE on paper is great, but for some reason it doesnt excite me as much as Diablo

For the record, couch co-op is possible. My sister and brother-in-law played couch co-op and joined a party of my brother on PS5 and me on PC. There was some bugginess at times. It would drop people from the party for seemingly no reason but that happened maybe 2 or 3 times and was an easy fix.

We will see how this game ends up. For starters, it was definitely fun but will it keep me interested is the question.

You deleted the post but people can find time to do anything. I work 40 hours a week with a 20-30min commute and sleep probably about 10 hours / night. That's still 5 hours of time. I can play vidya and not fall off the guitar or lifting weights. Now, if I wanted a better social life I would have to devote a lot of that time to that which would be difficult if I want to keep everything afloat. If I wanted to go to an AA meeting and sit at a patio until midnight that is 4-5 hours so I probably get less sleep and not play Diablo IV that night. It's definitely a little differant than that one summer I tried to qualify for World Cyber Games and gamed for 18 hours and slept for 6. I suppose that was fun or at the least I was in a flow state all day. I look at the opportunity cost of that summer but there wasn't really anything to do in my podunk town especially given the situation.

Besides being more intricate and fun Warcraft III is not so different from a slot machine. I could have been drinking with hot girls. There were definitley girls that wanted to fuck I was just too much of a virgin to really take advantage of that situation.

Doing Mephisto runs instead of going out at college is more of a disaster. There was always something going down at uni and the drunks girls were more forward.

No one needs a life story. I think my point is that addicts will do anything to do their drug of choice. For an anxious kid kind of lost in the world a video game flow state is the height of being. Opportunity cost should be considered.

I think I've told this story before but I was playing missionred.com like the nerdiest thing you could do and this drunk girl was flirting with me, playing with my hair, and demanding that I go out with her and I was just like "no, I gotta get the high score tonight." Maybe I don't find poker and end up as a chemical engineer or a lawyer or something stupid like that. Who the fuck knows! Who knows if I end up as one of the wretched in every runout of my life?

On May 10 2023 18:46 RiKD wrote: You deleted the post but people can find time to do anything. I work 40 hours a week with a 20-30min commute and sleep probably about 10 hours / night. That's still 5 hours of time. I can play vidya and not fall off the guitar or lifting weights. Now, if I wanted a better social life I would have to devote a lot of that time to that which would be difficult if I want to keep everything afloat. If I wanted to go to an AA meeting and sit at a patio until midnight that is 4-5 hours so I probably get less sleep and not play Diablo IV that night. It's definitely a little differant than that one summer I tried to qualify for World Cyber Games and gamed for 18 hours and slept for 6. I suppose that was fun or at the least I was in a flow state all day. I look at the opportunity cost of that summer but there wasn't really anything to do in my podunk town especially given the situation.

I work 60-80 hours a week the last 3 months and still waste lots of time somehow.

I don't really know how to review D4. I don't even play it that often. I am lvl 31 on Act 4. The storyline is decent so far. I am a Were-Bear. It gets tiresome to just click buttons and clear mobs. Even if there are good item drops. I would at least like to beat the game on Normal difficulty and mess around with some of the other options the game has to offer. We'll see how that goes.

Level 31 one month after release? Real dad energy over there. Meanwhile I have two level 100 characters and beat Uber Lilith today. I'm recovering from surgery though and can't wait to be able to resume physical activities, really tired of this game and lost what little respect I had for the devs behind it.

Until a Shako is found, there is more work to be done.

On July 09 2023 05:12 Loco wrote: Level 31 one month after release? Real dad energy over there. Meanwhile I have two level 100 characters and beat Uber Lilith today. I'm recovering from surgery though and can't wait to be able to resume physical activities, really tired of this game and lost what little respect I had for the devs behind it.

HAHAHA

It's partly due to enjoying playing with my brother who is mega dad energy. I've enjoyed it so far but it hasn't really gotten into my skin which is probably a good thing. I've just enjoyed doing other stuff more.

Surgery is obviously never fun so hoping for a speedy recovery there. Why don't you respect the devs?

On July 09 2023 06:21 Sleepy311 wrote: Until a Shako is found, there is more work to be done.

You have to be stupid to think you can find a Shako without the game being bugged.

On July 09 2023 23:52 RiKD wrote: Why don't you respect the devs?

There's a million issues with the game and how little quality of life/endgame content there is for a game that is part of a franchise that has learned about all those things from their previous games. They released a product with the bare minimum so they could feed us very small improvements as "new content" when it shouldn't be.

They recently fucked up with the latest patch because a bug allowed some people to get items that you would normally never find in a lifetime of playing (which is stupidly designed to begin with). These people had a few hours to exploit this and got these ultra rare items before the devs reacted but there were no rollbacks to their characters. In a game where everything is about loot and you have a PvP arena, people are understandably quite frustrated, but to me it's less about the items than the idiotic decisions behind not having the foresight to prevent this from happening. They also initially said that these items could drop from certain sources where people are farming end game and we all learned in the last dev update that it wasn't true, and so they were patching it to make it possible now. Total incompetence.

Yeah it's pretty obscene. I think Blizzard stated that you could expect to find one of those elite items every 12.5 seasons with an average of 300 hours per season.

How many languages could you learn to speak pretty well in that time?

Probably none, learning a second language at this age is painfully slow.

On July 09 2023 23:52 RiKD wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2023 05:12 Loco wrote: Level 31 one month after release? Real dad energy over there. Meanwhile I have two level 100 characters and beat Uber Lilith today. I'm recovering from surgery though and can't wait to be able to resume physical activities, really tired of this game and lost what little respect I had for the devs behind it. Why don't you respect the devs?

I think the real question is why would there still be any respect left at this point. Blizzard started sucking around 2008 when they sold their soul to activision. I think Diablo Immortal was when it should have been gone. I've heard this game is better than 3 though, at least.

On July 10 2023 19:38 Stroggoz wrote: Probably none, learning a second language at this age is painfully slow.

I'm currently learning japanese in Duolingo at ok pace :3


DiabloIV is cool, it doesnt seem aimed at super hardcore grinders and that is fine, theres PoE for them, there has been some stupid shit like the uniques droprate as loco mentioned tho, I think shako drops rate is of 1 item per 5million hours of play LOL

The odds of getting a Shako are still significantly higher than hiems getting his first kiss, so I'm optimistic

Diablo 3 is a much better game in every way.

On July 12 2023 05:11 Loco wrote: Diablo 3 is a much better game in every way.

for fucks sake even in this you have the worst takes imaginable LMAO

For me I'd say 2>1>3, but I still enjoyed 3 a lot. The game underwent so many changes in a short time that it's hard to evaluate.

Literally everyone that I've seen review this game who has played any D3 in recent seasons agrees, and it's not hard to agree on this fact. D3 has received countless hours of work, and it has an endgame that is much more agreeable than D4. D4 had a bunch of devs leave during covid/the sexual harassment case, they lost a ton of talent, and they have some really silly people making really silly decisions that are on par with the real money auction house in the first iteration of D3.

Do you even have a level 100 character Baal? Probably not. If you did you'd know that the endgame here is shit compared to D3 and PoE (while it's trying to stand somewhere in the middle). The affixes are super convoluted, the map selection is extremely limited and involves (still, even after changes) a lot of running and backtracking that was never an issue in D3. The game punishes you in so many ways. Some shrines are total crap, whereas they were pretty much all cool in D3. There are one or two viable builds for every class to perform well in the late endgame, and you basically just grind to have a few more % on the same one or two aspects. Most uniques are trash, so you don't even get excited when you see them drop. D3 at least had primals, and you could reroll them, which is a much better system than unalterable uniques for the late game, especially when those uniques have been designed to be crap. The only noncrap ones being unobtainable. With D3 you could swap between completely different builds with a single click. In this one you have to spend literally millions of gold to respec, and most likely you do not have this gold because it costs an obscene amount to reroll items after the first time. You have enormous gold sinks but no way to obtain a lot of gold quickly (you had goblins and Greed's lair for this in D3). The game was designed for you to restart a new character and do the 1 to 100 grind again if you want to play a different build, which is not a great design - it doesn't respect people's time. Also guess what, even if you do have the gold, you don't even have a respec button (at least on PC) for your paragon tree. Also no respec tokens to be earned anywhere in the game. Seriously, how hard would it have been to implement this?

This is clearly an unfinished game, it's missing some of the most basic quality of life options, and it cannot be compared with a game like D3 that received a ton of content and quality of life upgrades over many years. Anyone who just played a lot of Season 28 in D3 and who came to D4 after felt like it was a big downgrade on all points except obviously graphics quality.

The PvP zone is also a complete lagfest unless you disable crossplay, in which case you get a ghost town on PC, with one or two people with super optimized imbalanced builds that will steamroll you coming in once in a while.

I actually liked d3 a lot.

but the way I play diablo is I play through one single player campaign with one character and then I say goodbye, and then maybe I do the same with another character later on. For that, d3 was actually a very cool game, although it got ruined once I stepped foot into the auction house (not real money) and quadrupled my damage making me plow through everything. :'(

On July 12 2023 19:21 Loco wrote: The game was designed for you to restart a new character and do the 1 to 100 grind again if you want to play a different build, which is not a great design - it doesn't respect people's time. Also guess what, even if you do have the gold, you don't even have a respec button (at least on PC) for your paragon tree. Also no respec tokens to be earned anywhere in the game. Seriously, how hard would it have been to implement this? .

Working as intended for sure. If you look at WoW that game declined once it was easy to do things, like looking for raid for example. They made dual spec in wotlk, looking for dungeon, then after that they made looking for raid. All of these made the game boring as it was too easy. The sweaty no lifer neckbeards hate that shit and say it ruined the game. Blizzard is trying to undo some of this it seems. For example they just made hardcore classic wow.

Just lvl 70 currently, I like to play with friends wich limits my playtime.

I agree with all of your criticism with uniques, gold sinks etc but Its not the fairest comparison D3 after 10 years than just released D4, D3 at launch was atrocious, remember the constant server issues and the auction house, the atrocious cartoonish graphics, weak story.

Story wise I really liked the Lilith arc but I really disliked the random insertion of Andariel and Duriel for cheap nostalgia points.

For me D2 > D1 > D4 > D3

Of course it's not a fair comparison, but if games were released without rushing them, it would not have been that hard to implement most of D3's lessons into D4 from the beginning. They have the ideas and they have the coding already. D4 was in development for 10 years, and it just doesn't show aside from the cinematics. For example you have buffs that all have the same icons, literally, for different buffs. I can have 3 different buffs active at the same time on Necro and they all show the same icon, and no information about the buff. How lazy is that? There is no filter for items anywhere, or for glyphs. You spend half your time hovering over things in search of the one thing you need.

Another example of something silly is the devs saying they wanted to move away from D3's big numbers, and we currently have Shred Druid doing upward of 2 BILLLION crits (which devs now want to nerf). Devs have already backtracked on a bunch of shit that everyone knew was bad design, but there is a long laundry list left if they want to increase retention.

If you play Diablo casually and focus on the campaign then it's not a bad game. There are some issues with the campaign/storyline but nothing near as frustrating as the endgame, where the lack of content and quality of life really makes itself felt.

D4 did great server-wise at release, they learned a lot from previous releases and were lucky enough to have a ton of people help out on the weekend beta events. They also did a powerful marketing trick with the double release, which also meant that server loads were going to be a lot less serious if you have all the casuals come 5 days later. If only they had also learned their lessons about other important things and implemented them.

The mroe I think about it the more I think D4 sucks tbh, the story and look are great, but the skill scaling is retarded, the loot is almost as exciting was D3's auction house, the only time I was excited about something is my first legendary then you realize they have a very specific power that won't go with your build so its salvagable crap like 99.9% of the items, "common" items are actually very rare to find lol, the open world has too many characters and the sidequest rewards are shit so they become a chore rather than content you want to do even for the first time.

The cinematics are masterful but theres only like 3 of them, the only thing that D4 really lands is story and graphics, the overall gloom is good but the demons are so repetitive plus you find the same demons in lvl1 than in hell and whoever designed those bandit ghost ruined the whole vibe, also they brought back the most retarded demon from D2.. the fucking evil purcopines ffs.

What, you mean to tell me that after doing a repetitive side quest for almost an hour you are not satisfied with your 1 veiled crystal reward?!?

The best items in the game are rares, which is similar to what D3 wanted to do upon release (except blues could be better than rares sometimes too). Which means you spend all your time filtering your inventory before selling or salvaging to make sure it's something you wouldn't need/another class wouldn't need (since there is always the possibility of getting something useful for another class you could trade). It's very tedious, since it's the best way to make gold, you can't escape it. Also when legendaries drop, you actually want them to be Sacreds, which is super counter-intuitive, because it costs less to extract them, and they can roll just as high as Ancestrals for the Aspect specifically. They can also roll their normal stats just as high as Ancestrals if the item power is between 700-724 and you upgrade them.

The rewards for salvaging are also random, you don't get a blue crafting material for salvaging a blue.... you occasionally get one randomly for salvaging anything, it's a weird inconsistent system. Just like crafting nightmare dungeons. They force you to randomly craft them within a specific range, instead of allowing you to choose an exact number, like you could do in D3. So if I want to do a NM 100, I have to waste a bunch of Sigil Dust and time crafting a ton of 91-99 until I find a decent 100 (range is 91 to 100). And since they had capped the crafting materials before the last patch, everyone's Sigil Dust was quite limited, which means we could only craft like 20-25 of those high dungeons, so it's very easy to run out before you even get an ok 100 from crafting... absolutely abysmal design.

why are rares better than legendaries if they only have 3 and not 4 stats?

Diablo 2 Resurrected is the shit. I started playing again and still have a blast

Rares have the same number of stats except when low level or when they are special items dropping from rare spawns (those have a quote at the bottom)

they just don't come with an aspect (legendary power) attached but you imprint them at the occutist so every rare is a legendary eventually, making them the best items

Actual legendaries are rarely going to be useful because they would have to have rolled the perfect stats on both the item and the aspect and have a high item power for weapon slots too. Almost always you end up extracting their power or imprinting another on top of the base like if they were a rare.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-.../12/08/diablo-iv-release-date-crunch/

Article from last year explaining why/how they rushed the game for release

"The employees interviewed by The Post said it was not simply people quitting that posed a problem, but the kinds of employees who left. Many with institutional knowledge and decades of experience exited, leaving new employees and developers brought in from elsewhere at the company to fill in.

“Every single individual that we lost, for whatever reason, definitely was a huge impact,” said the former team lead. “And that was something that I don’t think that leadership paid enough attention to and was very flat-footed about. They weren’t very proactive about it.”

On July 14 2023 15:13 Loco wrote: Rares have the same number of stats except when low level or when they are special items dropping from rare spawns (those have a quote at the bottom) they just don't come with an aspect (legendary power) attached but you imprint them at the occutist so every rare is a legendary eventually, making them the best items Actual legendaries are rarely going to be useful because they would have to have rolled the perfect stats on both the item and the aspect and have a high item power for weapon slots too. Almost always you end up extracting their power or imprinting another on top of the base like if they were a rare.

Oh i checked and yeah ancestral ones have the same number of stats, good to know since I was auto-trashing them

I haven't been low level for a long time so I don't remember the rule but Sacred will always have 4 stats at some point, probably item level related. Sacreds at item power 700-724 only require to be upgraded in order to have the same stat range as ancestrals, so they are basically ancestrals with a little less armor. They can also be the best items in the game.

Haven't touched the game since the end of pre-season 1, looks like they've been working hard lol