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RiKD    United States. Nov 27 2017 22:45. Posts 4528
I have this weird thing where I think I can't do much of anything for an hour after eating food. No showers, no laying down in bed... That might be it really but I like to read lying down in bed.

PORNOGRAPHY

So, since I can't do something great like read I do something to fill in the gaps like go to LP or pornography. I don't know what I am doing just sitting there enjoying the show. It all looks to be the same after a while. Until I got to Kendra Sunderland. I think I like really large breasts in pornography for the viewership but it doesn't really make much of a difference for me in real life (not true OBV!). I dated this woman who had virtually no breasts. She had great eyes and great conversation. That is a pretty great combination. I am staring at these beautiful eyes have meaningful conversation one can just get lost in it all. She didn't need breasts.

Anyways, I really should be asking myself if this is how I want to spend my day off?

Watching pornography and writing bullshit. I went and risked a handjob in the bathroom for ole Kendra Sunderland. When I was done it hit me... Oh shit, how will I get out? It was kind of a fun handjob. That may not be said for most. I think I am building up a pretty solid pornography addiction (again?). Nah, it's not really causing problems yet. It is just not really something I should be spending much time on. Probably, similar to this blog, my entire blog catalog, this website. Laugh out loud.

I was talking to my therapist today and she thinks I should just continue focusing on getting a social circle out here. See how that goes. See if I like it. Don't worry so much about getting a new job and moving out and getting an apartment. I feel pretty content right now. I am not ashamed of living with my parents. It is fun meeting new people and getting to know people better.

I started reading "Tree of Knowledge" by Maturana. We should all read it and get a discussion going so it will be more fun. Otherwise, I think Martin Amis "Money" is going to beat it out for reading preference. Loco says "Tree of Knowledge" can be a life changing book. I liked the first chapter. Maybe I will go read that.

I think this is a rough one. Today has been a day where I just threw on some sweatpants and I am sweatpantsin' the day away. They are not even cool sweatpants. Just some ok sweatpants without the laces for the waist band because they took them out when I was in the psych ward those bastards. It's nice to not be in there though. It's nice to have my meds down pretty well. I want another wank to my girl Kendra. I could get it on my phone. That is better than reading of course....

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RiKD    United States. Nov 27 2017 23:18. Posts 4528

Why do women's breasts have such an effect on me?

I don't want to have children or maybe I DO want to have children in the same way I really DO want to eat a burger tonight even though I know it to be ethically wrong. It pulls on the heartstrings those babies and burgers.

I want a healthy female. That is what I am attracted to.

Anyways, I am out of the sweatpants. Good riddance. I have a modified Steve Jobs that I wear every day. It's just how it ended up. Steve was pretty smart in a lot of ways.

Black Bread and Boxer relaxed fit t-shirt
501 custom taper jeans
Brooks Ghost shoe

I don't actually wear it every day but it is my favorite thing to wear. I might be better off if I wear it everyday.


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Nov 28 2017 00:48. Posts 8099

Wait how is eating a burger morally wrong?


RiKD    United States. Nov 28 2017 01:09. Posts 4528

If everyone in the world did not eat meat the world would be a better place.

To go further. We are all biased so no veils of ignorance exist but go watch Cowspiracy and Earthlings.

I am complicit in the pain, abuse, and suffering of uncountable animals. All because I like and am addicted to burgers. Burgers, fries and some ice cream. I need that density of food and taste in my life. I don't really but I don't change.


Loco   Canada. Nov 28 2017 11:23. Posts 19049


  On November 27 2017 23:48 Spitfiree wrote:
Wait how is eating a burger morally wrong?



http://www.godfist.com/vegansidekick/guide.php

have fun

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. (Mencken) 

iop   Sweden. Nov 28 2017 12:26. Posts 4943

Hows your crossfit / training going?

Milkman lol i didnt spend half a thousand on a phone so i could play it cool and be all stealth 

VanDerMeyde   Norway. Nov 28 2017 17:02. Posts 4836


  On November 27 2017 23:48 Spitfiree wrote:
Wait how is eating a burger morally wrong?



it is not if the animal was threated with respect (I acctually quoted a norwegian philosopher here)

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Nov 28 2017 17:31. Posts 8099


  On November 28 2017 10:23 Loco wrote:
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http://www.godfist.com/vegansidekick/guide.php

have fun


I mean I get the arguments, I just prefer to eat that tasty stuff and be viewed as an insane person or an asshole by vegans I guess. I have no moral problems eating any type of animal meat as long as its delicious tbh and dogs are heavily overrated regarding their intelligence. People mistook their loyalty and dedication for intelligence, which is actually contradictory.

I've never eaten dogs or cats, but thats cause of the society around me, would probably change if I went to China for example. I actually have no problem trying out all animal meet, which is the exact other end of the vegan spectrum.

I'd change the conditions under which those animals are bred if I had the power, but I would certainly not give up meat to do so. I know - I'm a part of the problem.


Stroggoz   New Zealand. Nov 28 2017 21:31. Posts 3838


  On November 28 2017 10:23 Loco wrote:
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http://www.godfist.com/vegansidekick/guide.php

have fun


shouldn't we force suicide all of the animals in the world to reduce the amount of suffering they endure anyway? Didn't you argue that for humans once. Do you think that applys for animals or not. That would be an easy way to make everyone a vegetarian/vegan as well. I don't actually take the above argument seriously for humans or animals, just wondering if you would for both.

what about the argument:
1) too busy to deal with these issues, since i have finite time to deal with problems in the world, i will focus on the greater problems of war/global warming instead, and i feel far more strongly about this than animal abuse, since i prioritise human suffering over animal suffering.

I dislike that many vegans have the opposite prioritisation from me, but i think their arguments are fine and we should do something about animal abuse.



I was GTO in 2007 -wobbly_auLast edit: 28/11/2017 21:49

RiKD    United States. Nov 29 2017 01:16. Posts 4528


  On November 28 2017 11:26 iop wrote:
Hows your crossfit / training going?



It's not. I keep procrastinating. I switched to day shift now so that is good but now I have to psych myself up to go into the zoo of the after work crowd to try and get some training in. I also have this thing in my mind if they don't have a proper deadlift setup or some kettlebells I refuse to go to that place. That knocks out a lot of gyms. I need to do something. I don't even get my walks in anymore.


RiKD    United States. Nov 29 2017 01:19. Posts 4528


  On November 28 2017 16:02 VanDerMeyde wrote:
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it is not if the animal was threated with respect (I acctually quoted a norwegian philosopher here)


Yeah, the quote is great and all and from a real Norwegian philosopher but virtually no animals are treated with respect. Even that blowhard Joe Salatin or whatever his name is loves to toot his own horn about how great he treats the animals but that is not the whole truth and yes he eventually murders them.

Fuck, I did not want to start this with you but I have some time to kill so just responded with out thinking about that.

 Last edit: 29/11/2017 01:49

RiKD    United States. Nov 29 2017 01:24. Posts 4528


  On November 28 2017 16:31 Spitfiree wrote:
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I mean I get the arguments, I just prefer to eat that tasty stuff and be viewed as an insane person or an asshole by vegans I guess. I have no moral problems eating any type of animal meat as long as its delicious tbh and dogs are heavily overrated regarding their intelligence. People mistook their loyalty and dedication for intelligence, which is actually contradictory.

I've never eaten dogs or cats, but thats cause of the society around me, would probably change if I went to China for example. I actually have no problem trying out all animal meet, which is the exact other end of the vegan spectrum.

I'd change the conditions under which those animals are bred if I had the power, but I would certainly not give up meat to do so. I know - I'm a part of the problem.



Such a weird post. You are taking it the other way all the way in a weird way. It's not cool to eat animals. It does not make you more of a man. I mean if you want to go around eating cats that have been euthanized at no kill shelters be my guest. It is the background, the story, the lofty abuse. Lofty abuse does not even cover it. Every cat and dog should be spade and neutered. As many as possible. It's the same with all animals. That is how to change the breeding. Let them go extinct.


RiKD    United States. Nov 29 2017 01:45. Posts 4528


  On November 28 2017 20:31 Stroggoz wrote:
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shouldn't we force suicide all of the animals in the world to reduce the amount of suffering they endure anyway? Didn't you argue that for humans once. Do you think that applys for animals or not. That would be an easy way to make everyone a vegetarian/vegan as well. I don't actually take the above argument seriously for humans or animals, just wondering if you would for both.

what about the argument:
1) too busy to deal with these issues, since i have finite time to deal with problems in the world, i will focus on the greater problems of war/global warming instead, and i feel far more strongly about this than animal abuse, since i prioritise human suffering over animal suffering.

I dislike that many vegans have the opposite prioritisation from me, but i think their arguments are fine and we should do something about animal abuse.






Mass suicide is an option. There is obviously a difference between suicide and just not coming into existence. I am with Benetar in that suicide is bad but still permissible under certain circumstances. Many of the conditions in these concentration camps might qualify. They might not though. I would be against mass suicide for both humans and animals but for not breeding anymore for both. I think an animal has to be in a lot of incurable pain or deep illness to euthanize it and hopefully that is done painlessly (as harmful as a shot of whatever it is vets and no kill shelters use).

Cows are the biggest contributor to global warming.

I don't know if vegans have opposite prioritization. The animal suffering is one part. It is very difficult to be a vegan and not think about human suffering too. I'm sure many care more about animals but I know when I looked at it it blew my mind how many animals were suffering. There are 19 billion chickens on the planet. Nearly all of them is in a shitty position. Out of the 7 billion people on the planet how many are living the equivalent of cramped up in cages in there own shit? Chickens are literally in a shitty position. 1.4 billion cows are fucked. 1 billion sheep are fucked. 1 billion pigs are fucked. All we would have to do is stop eating them. That really seems monumental typing that out but if we just stop eating them the suffering goes away. Not all suffering of course. The ones that continue to live will still suffer because life is suffering but if we just let that cow graze around a field until it dies of natural causes no one can tell me that that is not the right thing to do.


ggplz   Sweden. Nov 29 2017 04:08. Posts 16624

Hi RiKD <3

I tried the vegan diet a while ago, paleo and other stuff. Ethically, I was with it for a while and I absolutely respect Vegans choice and their heartfelt respect for all life forms. However, I think we've got an identity crisis as human beings and ethics have came into what was a natural choice in the past: hunt, harvest from or slaughter weaker animals, prey on them and nourish yourself. Ethically, vegans and vegetarians flat out call this murder and claim it's wrong. I respect that point of view but it's not an objective truth. Murdering another animal for food is one of the most natural occurrences in the animal kingdom. We're predators in every aspect of our lives and I believe there's nothing wrong with it, we should embrace what we are and respect that some people feel differently. Obviously, to function as a society, some predatory actions shouldn't happen and imo there are too many people on the planet, it's a real problem but at this point I've pretty much accepted our self-destruction (whole other topic). Ultimately though, each view point on diet is just a stance at one particular moment in time and part of a journey, I see Loco seems to be fully vegan right now and I'm very glad it's working out for him. From a weight(health?)-conscious perspective, lb/kg/goals mean more than time. I wouldn't say I've found the perfect diet for me, I even did 30 days on a vegan diet recently as an experiment and tried my best to really do it and eat well but I felt very weak after 3-4 weeks, still completed the challenge but my conclusion was that I learned how to feed myself better than I did in the past with animal products and missing them I felt weak and unsatisfied. Just my 2 cents

if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhANLast edit: 29/11/2017 04:19

Loco   Canada. Nov 29 2017 13:56. Posts 19049


  On November 28 2017 16:02 VanDerMeyde wrote:
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it is not if the animal was threated with respect (I acctually quoted a norwegian philosopher here)


That's only true if it's a matter of survival, which it isn't for everyone posting on this website. Philosophers from every normative ethical theories (virtue ethics, deontology, consequentialism (utilitarianism) have extremely strong ethical arguments against the killing of animals for pleasure or profit.

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. (Mencken)Last edit: 29/11/2017 13:57

Loco   Canada. Nov 29 2017 14:00. Posts 19049


  On November 28 2017 16:31 Spitfiree wrote:
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I mean I get the arguments, I just prefer to eat that tasty stuff and be viewed as an insane person or an asshole by vegans I guess. I have no moral problems eating any type of animal meat as long as its delicious tbh and dogs are heavily overrated regarding their intelligence. People mistook their loyalty and dedication for intelligence, which is actually contradictory.

I've never eaten dogs or cats, but thats cause of the society around me, would probably change if I went to China for example. I actually have no problem trying out all animal meet, which is the exact other end of the vegan spectrum.

I'd change the conditions under which those animals are bred if I had the power, but I would certainly not give up meat to do so. I know - I'm a part of the problem.



I guess I just don't understand why you even bother to ask the question "how is eating meat immoral?" if you have no interest in ethics? It's like, why bother if you're just going to justify it by saying "yeah I know I have no moral justifications for doing it". Unless you think cultural relativism is the argument -- it's not clear that you think that, but you sort of are saying "what's good/acceptable in my culture is good for me". If that's the case, that's by far one of the worst arguments to justify anything. Anyway...

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. (Mencken)Last edit: 29/11/2017 14:02

Loco   Canada. Nov 29 2017 14:22. Posts 19049


  On November 28 2017 20:31 Stroggoz wrote:
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shouldn't we force suicide all of the animals in the world to reduce the amount of suffering they endure anyway? Didn't you argue that for humans once. Do you think that applys for animals or not. That would be an easy way to make everyone a vegetarian/vegan as well. I don't actually take the above argument seriously for humans or animals, just wondering if you would for both.

what about the argument:
1) too busy to deal with these issues, since i have finite time to deal with problems in the world, i will focus on the greater problems of war/global warming instead, and i feel far more strongly about this than animal abuse, since i prioritise human suffering over animal suffering.

I dislike that many vegans have the opposite prioritisation from me, but i think their arguments are fine and we should do something about animal abuse.






It's really weird how even intelligent people like you just can't wrap their heads around antinatalism. I mean, the word says it, it's being anti-birth. It doesn't say pro-murder or pro-suicide.

I've argued that we should consider that it would be in our best interest to pursue a sort of graceful extinction, and I think that this is logical conclusion given a few premises that many people actually hold to be true without realizing it. It's not something I advocate for, it's just an hypothetical, obviously there is no chance on earth people would ever be on board with that. I do argue for a kind of local antinatalism on other grounds though.

It's the same deal with other sentient animals. Vegans are not interested in killing animals, except maybe less than 0.05% who are hard line utilitarians. Most of us just argue that it's wrong to keep breeding them. There are utilitarian arguments about wild life intervention however, like, say if you could sterilize wild animals with the help of a harmless chemical in the air or water, that it would be the moral thing to do, when you carefully look at how much suffering they undergo in the wild, making their existences a net negative. This is a view that I sympathize with, but it faces similar impossibilities as the extinction scenario, it's not sociologically credible and it's also ecologically problematic. It seems only possible in a distant transhumanistic future through ecoengineering with things like CRISPR-Cas9.

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. (Mencken) 

VanDerMeyde   Norway. Nov 29 2017 14:36. Posts 4836

I only eat animals that lived a happy life and I only eat eggs from happy chickens. This is very important for me. Here in Norway the farmers are very kind to animals in 99.9% of cases. I spoke with a farmer and he told me that you really have to love animals to even consider being a farmer here because any other job would pay better for the amount of hours put in. If he did not care for animals he would quit today he said. What I am against is the fur business with mink here.

I would pay extra for meat from Uruguay. They have it sometimes here... I forgot the name of the animal, but they live freely outdoors their entire life until slaughter (which is done in the most humane way possible)

I think the way to go would be to fight against animal cruelty and getting the population to switch out some of their meals to vegan meals. I do not think the way to go is to attack everyone that eat a non-vegan hamburger. (like some vegans are doing). And the no egg thing, this will never happen... Just forget about it. People will eat eggs forever and its fine if they come from happy chickens. I think it is going in the right direction because vegan products are all extremly popular here. This cruel "dog festival" or what it is called in China is very small now compared to a few years ago, hopefully in a few years it will not exist anymore. So I think a lot of things are going in the right direction (there are many more examples than this)

:DLast edit: 29/11/2017 14:49

ggplz   Sweden. Nov 29 2017 15:53. Posts 16624

I don't think anyone would disagree that reducing or eliminating suffering in the way animals are farmed is a positive thing but I don't believe it actually matters all that much. It's a distasteful subject. If you were out hunting, the happiness of the animal doesn't really even enter your mind. If you saw an extremely large chicken but god damn it looked unhappy, would you look for another? Physically, it looks fantastic, but for some reason you can just tell by looking at it that mentally it's unhappy. So do you leave the chicken so it can find some zen-like state where it's perfectly happy being murdered in the future? No, you would simply kill and eat the juicy chicken. Even if it was chronically unhappy or miserable? The answer is still yes, you need to eat. This concept of happiness in relation to our food comes from the thought that humans are abusive towards animals in feed lot or slaughter house scenarios but in their natural wild state, animals are perfectly happy. That if an animal is happy, somehow it takes away the responsibility you have in it's death and it's therefore "guilt free" food. It's just a distraction from the reality and ultimately on the consumer level, irrelevant marketing. In mass farming situations, it's true, that definitely exists to varying degrees but it doesn't truly matter to people. They value the meat above the happiness of their prey. It's not really spoken about because in language it can't really be reasoned in an emotionally digestible way for most people but they know they're drawn to eat meat and survive as a group. In modern society, we believe we're above that reality but it's pervasive in our attitudes each day, it's only with the luxury of choice that some small percentage of us make these kinds of decisions. Economically, it's not even possible for a lot of people.

if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN 

VanDerMeyde   Norway. Nov 29 2017 18:41. Posts 4836

By happy chickens I mean free-range chickens.

:D 

 
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