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On November 29 2017 13:22 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On November 28 2017 20:31 Stroggoz wrote:   On November 28 2017 10:23 Loco wrote:   On November 27 2017 23:48 Spitfiree wrote: Wait how is eating a burger morally wrong? http://www.godfist.com/vegansidekick/guide.php have fun shouldn't we force suicide all of the animals in the world to reduce the amount of suffering they endure anyway? Didn't you argue that for humans once. Do you think that applys for animals or not. That would be an easy way to make everyone a vegetarian/vegan as well. I don't actually take the above argument seriously for humans or animals, just wondering if you would for both. what about the argument: 1) too busy to deal with these issues, since i have finite time to deal with problems in the world, i will focus on the greater problems of war/global warming instead, and i feel far more strongly about this than animal abuse, since i prioritise human suffering over animal suffering. I dislike that many vegans have the opposite prioritisation from me, but i think their arguments are fine and we should do something about animal abuse. It's really weird how even intelligent people like you just can't wrap their heads around antinatalism. I mean, the word says it, it's being anti-birth. It doesn't say pro-murder or pro-suicide. I've argued that we should consider that it would be in our best interest to pursue a sort of graceful extinction, and I think that this is logical conclusion given a few premises that many people actually hold to be true without realizing it. It's not something I advocate for, it's just an hypothetical, obviously there is no chance on earth people would ever be on board with that. I do argue for a kind of local antinatalism on other grounds though. It's the same deal with other sentient animals. Vegans are not interested in killing animals, except maybe less than 0.05% who are hard line utilitarians. Most of us just argue that it's wrong to keep breeding them. There are utilitarian arguments about wild life intervention however, like, say if you could sterilize wild animals with the help of a harmless chemical in the air or water, that it would be the moral thing to do, when you carefully look at how much suffering they undergo in the wild, making their existences a net negative. This is a view that I sympathize with, but it faces similar impossibilities as the extinction scenario, it's not sociologically credible and it's also ecologically problematic. It seems only possible in a distant transhumanistic future through ecoengineering with things like CRISPR-Cas9.

right, i knew you put forth the idea of a graceful extinction. i forgot to put the difference in when i made my post, haha.

the reason i said 'forced' is because you can never convince an animal, it would result in some sort of force. I didn't think you want to force any humans of course.

yeah it seems to me like the best way to reduce animal suffering is to stop breeding so many of them. There are so many cattle/chicken, ect compared to every other animal. I havn't researched it at all, but that seems like the most obvious course of action to reduce large amounts of animal suffering. The political economy of food is very messed up as well. It has a lot to do with how capitalists pursue profit, and making it as miserable for animals as you possibly can is a side effect of cutting costs.

On November 29 2017 03:08 ggplz wrote: Hi RiKD <3 I tried the vegan diet a while ago, paleo and other stuff. Ethically, I was with it for a while and I absolutely respect Vegans choice and their heartfelt respect for all life forms. However, I think we've got an identity crisis as human beings and ethics have came into what was a natural choice in the past: hunt, harvest from or slaughter weaker animals, prey on them and nourish yourself. Ethically, vegans and vegetarians flat out call this murder and claim it's wrong. I respect that point of view but it's not an objective truth. Murdering another animal for food is one of the most natural occurrences in the animal kingdom. We're predators in every aspect of our lives and I believe there's nothing wrong with it, we should embrace what we are and respect that some people feel differently. Obviously, to function as a society, some predatory actions shouldn't happen and imo there are too many people on the planet, it's a real problem but at this point I've pretty much accepted our self-destruction (whole other topic). Ultimately though, each view point on diet is just a stance at one particular moment in time and part of a journey, I see Loco seems to be fully vegan right now and I'm very glad it's working out for him. From a weight(health?)-conscious perspective, lb/kg/goals mean more than time. I wouldn't say I've found the perfect diet for me, I even did 30 days on a vegan diet recently as an experiment and tried my best to really do it and eat well but I felt very weak after 3-4 weeks, still completed the challenge but my conclusion was that I learned how to feed myself better than I did in the past with animal products and missing them I felt weak and unsatisfied. Just my 2 cents

To be honest I don't have a problem with responsible hunting. I mean I do because it is murder but as long as it is within wildlife conservation and the hunter is a good shot and then eats that meat, freezes that meat, whatever it is far less of a problem than factory farming and that stuff ending up in the supermarket. The thing is would I be for hunting starving Africans as long as they were one shot killed and their flesh eaten?

Pretty soon we start looking for slightly marbled specimens with pronounced skull features. We start hunting linebackers and offensive linemen. There is overpopulation. It is simply wildlife conservation. Then the new currencies are AK-47s and gold. I'll stop but why should that deer not be allowed to hop around the forest gathering it's food for an extra 4 years or so? If it is going to starve to death or do something crazy like run across the freeway sure let the hunters hunt. I think it can be a form of euthanasia if done responsibly. To be honest, wild fed deer is quite delicious. It would be best for us to not fetishize our food. The point is 6 million deer killed in deer hunting in the US is far better than the 39 million cattle kept in gulags and murdered in the US.

On November 29 2017 17:41 VanDerMeyde wrote: By happy chickens I mean free-range chickens.

If you love eggs so much why not buy your own chickens? That is the only way to know there is lacking in major suffering.

One thing I think is funny is how many of you looked up Kendra Sunderland.

I would if I were you.

Oh, how far away I am from the guy who was against porn and didn't masturbate for 7 months. Actually, not that far. I have just found myself hooked.

Ethics of pornography?

I can talk about what I think are positives and negatives. One of the real negatives I think about is how I look at women as objects. Once they talk I can snap out of it but if I am watching a lot of porn I fear I am looking at women like a juicy steak or something. Porn trains you to gaze at the ass at the breasts at the legs at the shape. That's not their only value. I may be putting too much into this.

Should we all abstain from pornography and why?

Handjobs can typically be a lot more fun with pornography.

Should we all abstain from handjobs and why?

Although I think we have already had the ladder discussion. Once I get into a steady diet of handjobs I really need that pornography to spice things up. I typically get a bit of a mood change. Some endorphins. Not the worst way to fill some time. I can't always be at the gym or making money or reading BUT BUT BUT what if I am content to have a wank when I could be going on dates with beautiful women who also want to take their clothes off and have actual sex?!?!? The plot thickens. I am here thinking I am banging all these super attractive bimbos when in reality I am just some dude by myself having a cheeky handjob. No fap power online dating is the only true way!!! Then I end up banging some chubby girl with a toddler I took out to Chick Fil A. Fuck. Fucking some ok looking emo chick because we both like Sartre. I shouldn't sit here judging. I really should be through with judging. Fucking chubby women, women with kids, not great looking women could be great for me. It might be all I get now a days. I just hate the idea of that really. I don't want to settle. I like a lot of different types of women. I have just been thinking about doing an early online experiment. I don't quite have my money right, I live with my parents. Just those two facts are going to put me at a big disadvantage but when are those things ever going to be completely right? Why don't I hit the gym and get a better job? Fair enough. Why don't I just be content with meeting people and hanging out with people? That is really the best answer right now. Continuing to meet people and get to know the people I know better. I am starting to get to know some really cool people and it is making me happy.

I think part of this is this newcomer strolls into the meeting looking like a flat out streetwalker. A sexy streetwalker at that but she is just swaggering around spraying her pussy vapors all over the place. For the ending prayer she makes a beeline for me and we are holding hands. My penis is saying yes, yes, yes. My brain is saying oh dear. Oh dear. She's smart and funny too but it is not going to happen but it is situations like this that scream at me I need to have options. A newcomer with less than 30 days sober is just not an option even if it may seem tempting but it is not tempting at all if I have OTHER OPTIONS. I have spoken enough on this. I think it is clear or maybe it isn't yet but the progression has to be:

Friends, Gym (diet)
Dating

At the moment I don't want to wait to date until I get my money perfectly right or move out of my parents house. Fucking who cares if the date is at a cool french cafe for coffee or chipotle. I have this idea in my mind that I have to go to some cool, sexy lounge and have drinks or some well known restaurant. I think online dating is a different animal. Probably more flaking. I don't know really. Getting some coffee and going for a walk sounds like an amazing date to me. I have to like reprogram myself in some ways here.

On November 29 2017 22:13 RiKD wrote: Show nested quote + On November 29 2017 17:41 VanDerMeyde wrote: By happy chickens I mean free-range chickens. If you love eggs so much why not buy your own chickens? That is the only way to know there is lacking in major suffering.

Because i dont have time or space (i live in the city) for that. Its not realistic to make people stop eating eggs. + its way too healthy to eat them for me to even consider that. But i dont like animals in cages so eggs from free range chickens only !

On November 30 2017 11:03 VanDerMeyde wrote: Show nested quote + On November 29 2017 22:13 RiKD wrote:   On November 29 2017 17:41 VanDerMeyde wrote: By happy chickens I mean free-range chickens. If you love eggs so much why not buy your own chickens? That is the only way to know there is lacking in major suffering. Because i dont have time or space (i live in the city) for that. Its not realistic to make people stop eating eggs. + its way too healthy to eat them for me to even consider that. But i dont like animals in cages so eggs from free range chickens only !

Free range is essentially a scam. There is no such thing as happy chickens on farms that need to make a profit.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentis...17/jan/30/free-range-eggs-con-ethical

This is not UK, its Norway. We are way ahead in animal welfare. Yeah there are, we threat our animals very good here in Norway thanks. It is in the interest for the society to find those that are cruel to animals, because studies show people that are cruel to animals tend to also be violent to other humans (I would care anyway, but even for people that do not care about animals welfare it is in their interest to find and stop these people)

Not that this chronicle proved anything at all...

I just realized the eggs I eat are even better than the ones called "from free range chickens". I buy organic eggs and these chickens walk freely outdoors outside winter here in Norway.

On November 29 2017 13:00 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On November 28 2017 16:31 Spitfiree wrote:   On November 28 2017 10:23 Loco wrote:   On November 27 2017 23:48 Spitfiree wrote: Wait how is eating a burger morally wrong? http://www.godfist.com/vegansidekick/guide.php have fun I mean I get the arguments, I just prefer to eat that tasty stuff and be viewed as an insane person or an asshole by vegans I guess. I have no moral problems eating any type of animal meat as long as its delicious tbh and dogs are heavily overrated regarding their intelligence. People mistook their loyalty and dedication for intelligence, which is actually contradictory. I've never eaten dogs or cats, but thats cause of the society around me, would probably change if I went to China for example. I actually have no problem trying out all animal meet, which is the exact other end of the vegan spectrum. I'd change the conditions under which those animals are bred if I had the power, but I would certainly not give up meat to do so. I know - I'm a part of the problem. I guess I just don't understand why you even bother to ask the question "how is eating meat immoral?"

No, don't get me wrong - I do. I'm just okay with the fact that it's immoral. There's no rational, reasonable argument for meat eaters imo. I don't like being a hypocrite either. I'm aware of how the industry operates for the most part and I still feel no guilt eating animals, don't think I'd make a self-forceful conscious decision of going vegetarian (I'd say veganism is just extreme as views)

On November 30 2017 12:47 VanDerMeyde wrote: This is not UK, its Norway. We are way ahead in animal welfare. Yeah there are, we threat our animals very good here in Norway thanks. It is in the interest for the society to find those that are cruel to animals, because studies show people that are cruel to animals tend to also be violent to other humans (I would care anyway, but even for people that do not care about animals welfare it is in their interest to find and stop these people) Not that this chronicle proved anything at all...

On November 30 2017 12:55 VanDerMeyde wrote: I just realized the eggs I eat are even better than the ones called "from free range chickens". I buy organic eggs and these chickens walk freely outdoors outside winter here in Norway.

What about Swedish eggs? Because Swedes say the exact same thing and similarly take great pride in their eggs. I briefly worked at a Swedish egg farm (thankfully not dealing with hens) when I first moved there and "free range" meant that there was a 2-3 meter wide caged enclosure running the full length of the fully enclosed chicken-packed egg laying building with roughly 8 small portals in/out equidistant throughout the length. This building had multiple sections of feeding troughs and they were literally packed tight, eating this grain, breathing this horrible air, living in dark conditions and only a handful seemed to ever be outside, probably out of fear. The air was so thick and horrible, you could barely stand to be inside it and when you left, the smell stuck to your clothes and lungs to varying degrees depending on time spent inside. Every day, there were chickens that had died early for various reasons but all seemed relatable back to the conditions they lived in. With such a large "free range" place and how everyone working there regarded it as a high standard compared to other egg farms in Sweden, yet nobody wanted to work inside, I realised the whole industry was full of shit, similar to the UK and probably everywhere else in the world. The eggs did taste good though.

On November 30 2017 20:20 ggplz wrote: Show nested quote + On November 30 2017 12:47 VanDerMeyde wrote: This is not UK, its Norway. We are way ahead in animal welfare. Yeah there are, we threat our animals very good here in Norway thanks. It is in the interest for the society to find those that are cruel to animals, because studies show people that are cruel to animals tend to also be violent to other humans (I would care anyway, but even for people that do not care about animals welfare it is in their interest to find and stop these people) Not that this chronicle proved anything at all...   On November 30 2017 12:55 VanDerMeyde wrote: I just realized the eggs I eat are even better than the ones called "from free range chickens". I buy organic eggs and these chickens walk freely outdoors outside winter here in Norway. What about Swedish eggs? Because Swedes say the exact same thing and similarly take great pride in their eggs. I briefly worked at a Swedish egg farm (thankfully not dealing with hens) when I first moved there and "free range" meant that there was a 2-3 meter wide caged enclosure running the full length of the fully enclosed chicken-packed egg laying building with roughly 8 small portals in/out equidistant throughout the length. This building had multiple sections of feeding troughs and they were literally packed tight, eating this grain, breathing this horrible air, living in dark conditions and only a handful seemed to ever be outside, probably out of fear. The air was so thick and horrible, you could barely stand to be inside it and when you left, the smell stuck to your clothes and lungs to varying degrees depending on time spent inside. Every day, there were chickens that had died early for various reasons but all seemed relatable back to the conditions they lived in. With such a large "free range" place and how everyone working there regarded it as a high standard compared to other egg farms in Sweden, yet nobody wanted to work inside, I realised the whole industry was full of shit, similar to the UK and probably everywhere else in the world. The eggs did taste good though.

Fabric eggs... I would of course never consider eating that crap even thou its cheap. Thanks for pointing out the thing about "free range" chickens thou, but I buy ecologic eggs and they walk freely outdoor here outside winter. In the winter they have a lot more space and live a lot better indoor than the horrible conditions you describe. They cost a bit more, but thats should be fine. I think the quality should also be better + the chickens are truly happy chickens. I would never consider fabric chickens to be "free range", i guess my definition is different than the ones working for the fabrics. If anything, the eggs I buy are from farmers that truly care and protect them. And if so I see nothing wrong in eating eggs. If im wrong about ecologic eggs I have truly been deceived.

On November 30 2017 13:32 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On November 29 2017 13:00 Loco wrote:   On November 28 2017 16:31 Spitfiree wrote:   On November 28 2017 10:23 Loco wrote:   On November 27 2017 23:48 Spitfiree wrote: Wait how is eating a burger morally wrong? http://www.godfist.com/vegansidekick/guide.php have fun I mean I get the arguments, I just prefer to eat that tasty stuff and be viewed as an insane person or an asshole by vegans I guess. I have no moral problems eating any type of animal meat as long as its delicious tbh and dogs are heavily overrated regarding their intelligence. People mistook their loyalty and dedication for intelligence, which is actually contradictory. I've never eaten dogs or cats, but thats cause of the society around me, would probably change if I went to China for example. I actually have no problem trying out all animal meet, which is the exact other end of the vegan spectrum. I'd change the conditions under which those animals are bred if I had the power, but I would certainly not give up meat to do so. I know - I'm a part of the problem. I guess I just don't understand why you even bother to ask the question "how is eating meat immoral?" No, don't get me wrong - I do. I'm just okay with the fact that it's immoral.

This sentence is nonsensical. If morality has any meaning whatsoever, it's not possible to be okay with doing something immoral. The closest to "okay" would be, "I accept the facts, it's just that I don't have the motivation to act ethically". Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's despicable, unlike many of the ways people justify harming others, and I've been apathetic about it before as well due to depression, but it's just sad to me to think about how detached people are in this world to the point of literally funding torture knowingly, every day, and claiming to be ok with it. Weird times.

don't think I'd make a self-forceful conscious decision of going vegetarian (I'd say veganism is just extreme as views)

Long-term vegetarians are hypocrites and no less guilty of anything than omnivores. It's understandable to be vegetarian for some time in order to transition to veganism properly and that's it. What makes veganism extreme? I know it's socially extreme in most places, but we're talking about ethics here, appealing to the status quo doesn't have any value.

On November 29 2017 03:08 ggplz wrote: Hi RiKD <3 I tried the vegan diet a while ago, paleo and other stuff. Ethically, I was with it for a while and I absolutely respect Vegans choice and their heartfelt respect for all life forms. However, I think we've got an identity crisis as human beings and ethics have came into what was a natural choice in the past: hunt, harvest from or slaughter weaker animals, prey on them and nourish yourself. Ethically, vegans and vegetarians flat out call this murder and claim it's wrong. I respect that point of view but it's not an objective truth. Murdering another animal for food is one of the most natural occurrences in the animal kingdom. We're predators in every aspect of our lives and I believe there's nothing wrong with it, we should embrace what we are and respect that some people feel differently. Obviously, to function as a society, some predatory actions shouldn't happen and imo there are too many people on the planet, it's a real problem but at this point I've pretty much accepted our self-destruction (whole other topic). Ultimately though, each view point on diet is just a stance at one particular moment in time and part of a journey, I see Loco seems to be fully vegan right now and I'm very glad it's working out for him. From a weight(health?)-conscious perspective, lb/kg/goals mean more than time. I wouldn't say I've found the perfect diet for me, I even did 30 days on a vegan diet recently as an experiment and tried my best to really do it and eat well but I felt very weak after 3-4 weeks, still completed the challenge but my conclusion was that I learned how to feed myself better than I did in the past with animal products and missing them I felt weak and unsatisfied. Just my 2 cents

Can you elaborate on the " We're predators in every aspect of our lives and I believe there's nothing wrong with it" part? It sounds outlandish to me at first glance.

There's two contradictory ideas in your post. One is that we'd be better off if we could go back to living "naturally", i.e. rewilding, but the other is an understanding that the population doesn't allow it -- and that we also prefer to live in a world that is civilized.

The first claim is dubious. We live longer than we have ever lived, and we know that we can live ridiculously long and healthy lives if we eat well on top of it (e.g. the Blue Zones). The second one seems to be a kind of dismissal of the problem through fatalism. Isn't that the surest way of making it a self-fulfilling prophecy, to say "we're self-destructive, we have to accept it and not try to do better"?

I'd like to hear more about your vegan diet experiment. What were you eating? Did you use Cronometer or something to track your nutrition? It sounds to me like you were maybe trying to lose weight? If so, that would explain why you would have felt weaker. I also wanted to lose weight when I started and I just focused on losing weight and after that I decided to gain weight (muscle). I had no problem doing both. It's a common thing people say when they try a vegan diet, but there is objectively nothing in animal products that would make you feel stronger if you're eating the same micros/macros as plant foods. It's just a matter of eating the right foods for that but most people assume it's the lack of animal products and they just give up altogether. I think there's some self-deception involved there because we really like the taste of those foods and we like to not be social outcasts (that's an understatement). Path of least resistance at work. I did that same mistake in the past and I'm glad I had the courage to try it again because it's been nothing but great for me.

By the way Loco. My "temporarily weight loss" of 50 kg as you so called it. When will i gain it back ?

On December 01 2017 14:48 Loco wrote: This sentence is nonsensical. If morality has any meaning whatsoever, it's not possible to be okay with doing something immoral.

I disagree. In this case, it would take strong moral principles, which could easily relate to the top of Maslow's pyramid (self-fulfillment or whatever it was), while meat is more of a physiological need as I've been programmed to think that way - wouldn't be surprised if its passed genetically either. At this point, it would take too many efforts to accomplish close to nothing by throwing meat out of my nutrition thus I prefer to completely disregard it as an option. Obviously, this is all based on the fact that Maslow's pyramid is an axiom, which it isn't but proves to have been pretty accurate throughout time.


A bit further on the matter:

You'd need to make a large behavioral shift society on one of the deepest rooted necessity of our species, in order to make a change, which simply won't happen. I'd say pushing the antinatalism ideology is more likely than that. That being said, if large shifts in society should happen, we should probably first fix the issues of our species before thinking about saving the animals e.g. kid labor, discrimination of any sort, absolute poverty and etc.... I'd say the latter would come naturally after the former - pretty sure Stroggoz is hinting at that as well.

In all honesty, vegans are still passively helping the misery of animals whether they like it or not, by supporting the maximized profits model in their societies, which is basically the model of almost all societies atm... Most of the added suffering on any level is because of that model, but then again so is most of the progress.

On December 01 2017 15:15 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On November 29 2017 03:08 ggplz wrote: Hi RiKD <3 I tried the vegan diet a while ago, paleo and other stuff. Ethically, I was with it for a while and I absolutely respect Vegans choice and their heartfelt respect for all life forms. However, I think we've got an identity crisis as human beings and ethics have came into what was a natural choice in the past: hunt, harvest from or slaughter weaker animals, prey on them and nourish yourself. Ethically, vegans and vegetarians flat out call this murder and claim it's wrong. I respect that point of view but it's not an objective truth. Murdering another animal for food is one of the most natural occurrences in the animal kingdom. We're predators in every aspect of our lives and I believe there's nothing wrong with it, we should embrace what we are and respect that some people feel differently. Obviously, to function as a society, some predatory actions shouldn't happen and imo there are too many people on the planet, it's a real problem but at this point I've pretty much accepted our self-destruction (whole other topic). Ultimately though, each view point on diet is just a stance at one particular moment in time and part of a journey, I see Loco seems to be fully vegan right now and I'm very glad it's working out for him. From a weight(health?)-conscious perspective, lb/kg/goals mean more than time. I wouldn't say I've found the perfect diet for me, I even did 30 days on a vegan diet recently as an experiment and tried my best to really do it and eat well but I felt very weak after 3-4 weeks, still completed the challenge but my conclusion was that I learned how to feed myself better than I did in the past with animal products and missing them I felt weak and unsatisfied. Just my 2 cents Can you elaborate on the " We're predators in every aspect of our lives and I believe there's nothing wrong with it" part? It sounds outlandish to me at first glance. There's two contradictory ideas in your post. One is that we'd be better off if we could go back to living "naturally", i.e. rewilding, but the other is an understanding that the population doesn't allow it -- and that we also prefer to live in a world that is civilized. The first claim is dubious. We live longer than we have ever lived, and we know that we can live ridiculously long and healthy lives if we eat well on top of it (e.g. the Blue Zones). The second one seems to be a kind of dismissal of the problem through fatalism. Isn't that the surest way of making it a self-fulfilling prophecy, to say "we're self-destructive, we have to accept it and not try to do better"? I'd like to hear more about your vegan diet experiment. What were you eating? Did you use Cronometer or something to track your nutrition? It sounds to me like you were maybe trying to lose weight? If so, that would explain why you would have felt weaker. I also wanted to lose weight when I started and I just focused on losing weight and after that I decided to gain weight (muscle). I had no problem doing both. It's a common thing people say when they try a vegan diet, but there is objectively nothing in animal products that would make you feel stronger if you're eating the same micros/macros as plant foods. It's just a matter of eating the right foods for that but most people assume it's the lack of animal products and they just give up altogether. I think there's some self-deception involved there because we really like the taste of those foods and we like to not be social outcasts (that's an understatement). Path of least resistance at work. I did that same mistake in the past and I'm glad I had the courage to try it again because it's been nothing but great for me.

I would say I felt stronger or at least better on a vegan diet. That could just be placebo because I wanted it to work but it could also be the fact that my nutrition was on point. For me I have to overcome the social outcast factor. I have never been able to do it. After about a week or two I stop missing a lot of the past high density tastes. I get urges or cravings but it is not really a big deal. I got to the point that going out to eat and ordering 3 sweet potatoes with out butter at a steakhouse was completely comfortable. I started working at a pizza shop and I just sort of slowly cracked up and once it rains it pours. I will eventually try again. There are a handful of meals a week that I eat vegan. Maybe more depending on the week. When I go out to eat or get fast food all bets are off. I could write more but I don't think it is necessary. Just sharing my experiences in relation to this. I want there to be more vegans in the world. I am happy we are having this discourse. It starts locally meaning myself but damn overcoming factory farming of animals is undeniably overwhelming. It feels like what is the harm of me having a burger a couple of nights a week if that? I am eating oatmeal, maple syrup, and almonds for breakfast now which is fantastic. A cheese pizza for lunch. Dinner is the wildcard. All it takes is for me to have a vegan pizza for lunch but I hate having to explain veganism to everyone at work. Dinner can be problematic if I am going out somewhere which I eat out often. The other nights it is whatever my mom is cooking and I love my mom's cooking. She is a vegetarian so butter is going to be in. It's better than fried chicken I suppose. It takes motivation to cook up soups like I used to. Oh well, this turned into quite a ramble. I am just figuring out where I failed in the past and how I could potentially make it work in the future.

On December 01 2017 18:19 VanDerMeyde wrote: By the way Loco. My "temporarily weight loss" of 50 kg as you so called it. When will i gain it back ?

The way I see it you are headed for trouble. You are on an unsustainable diet. So then what do you do?

The weight loss is fantastic. You are in a really great position. Don't get cocky and blockheaded.

You are going to gain some of it back over the next 20 years almost surely. There is probably a fair chance that you gain it all back and then some.

On December 02 2017 00:29 RiKD wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2017 18:19 VanDerMeyde wrote: By the way Loco. My "temporarily weight loss" of 50 kg as you so called it. When will i gain it back ? The way I see it you are headed for trouble. You are on an unsustainable diet. So then what do you do? The weight loss is fantastic. You are in a really great position. Don't get cocky and blockheaded. You are going to gain some of it back over the next 20 years almost surely. There is probably a fair chance that you gain it all back and then some.

Unsustainable ?

Man, there are many 1000's of people that succeds on this "unsustainable diet". And I also do intermittent fasting... There is no reason I will regain anything, acctually I just slowly lose the little fat I had less on by body.

But you and Loco seems to know that this one day will magically turn around :-) Dont hold your breath while waiting...

Acctually I think its more cocky to tell someone who had a lot of success that their diet is bullshit, that the people they listen to are scammers and their weight loss is "temporarily". Its fucking rude man I would never tell that to anyone, even if I disagreed with the way they did it. The normal thing would be to just congratulate him...Which you did - thanks !, but not Loco

Here you have truly unsustainable:

According to a trend analysis conducted by leading sociologists, most Americans, rather than eating a series of meals with breaks in between, are now eating one continuous, uninterrupted meal throughout the day.

https://www.theonion.com/report-major...cebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing

The opposite of what I do... But I am the crazy one, lol!!!

LOL ^