UFC 205: Alvarez vs. McGregor - Page 7

On November 09 2016 07:08 Big_Rob_isback wrote: Dude is it just me or does woodley look like he is a lhw? He looks scary as fk and like he will rip wonderboy in half after his fight with lawler.

Woodley is the shortest guy in the division; his muscles make him look much bigger than he actually is.

On November 07 2016 01:46 PuertoRican wrote: Random thoughts about Wonderboy vs. Woodley The fight I keep thinking about most is Wonderboy vs. Woodley. I expected Woodley's cardio to be new and improved for his last fight against Lawler, and he ended up finishing him fast, so it was never tested. Woodley also basically left team ATT in Florida for his last fight and trained at Roufusport with Duke Roufus/Pettis brothers/etc. and brought his main coach with him from ATT. Although, Woodley owns an ATT gym somewhere (I think Atlanta), and he never officially left ATT in Florida cuz he will always be a part of the family since he owns one of their gyms. This won't be like Wonderboy vs. Hendricks. Woodley won't do the same shit. Woodley is wayyyyy faster, stronger, closes the distance much faster, and hits much harder than Johny Hendricks. Woodley's explosiveness is also better than Hendricks', which means he'll present different take downs to Wonderboy. We also don't know how good Wonderboy's cardio is against someone who can control him against the cage and on the ground. He needs a lot of space to kick, and his punches aren't super technical and he lacks the pop in his hands for 1-punch KOs. Another big factor is confidence. Both guys are very confident, but Woodley is in the zone right now, and he's mentally superior and is willing to take the fight wherever to win. Wonderboy can only hope to avoid the TD and not get KO`ed. Since Wonderboy is mostly a kicker, and Tyron has a stance that allows him to move away and move in real fast and has the speed in his feet and hands and power, I think this will end up being a bad MU for Wonderboy.

From what I've seen Woodley is absolutely horrible at closing the distance outside of throwing his right hand. He couldn't do shit to Shields/Rory standing because they threw out jabs. People seem to forget that prior to knocking out a post USADA Lawler ( who was pretty much confirmed on steroids at 189 against Rory and look much different physically against Woodley ) who had been in a ton of wars and almost KO'd a few times and should have lost to Condit/Hendricks, Woodley had a super unimpressive showing against a completely drained Gastelum. It's definitely possible he's improved a ton since then, but I don't think theres any evidence to support it. I also think Roufus Sport is likely a much worse gym than ATT. I actually think Roufus sport is a shit gym, and Pettis wins usually because of his talent. I mean how many times have we seen Pettis lose to the same strategy and he hasn't done shit to improve it. I don't think I've ever seen anyone come out of that gym and have a good game plan or strategy etc.

Woodley has a deadly right hand for offense but besides that he's extremely limited. People keep talking about his wrestling, who has he beat with his wrestling? He hasn't beat anyone with it since like Jordain Mein in strikeforce lol. He was like 2/14 in takedowns on Paul Daley. And his top game is really awful.

My predictions for everything in 2016 have sucked tho so prob bet the house on Woodley

Woodley likes to backs himself up against the cage and explode from there, when his opponents pressure him either with his right hand or a takedown. I don't think that is going to work very well against Wonderboy. Also his striking arsenal is very limited, he is just sprinting forward with his right hand and is relies on his speed and athleticism. He has nice leg kicks also but I find it very hard to believe he is going to have success standing with Thompson who is just unreal and has so much experience kickboxing.

Stephen Thompson has struggled with some pressure in the past but I don't think Woodley is a pressure fighter that is going to pose him problems. He usually backs himself up as said above and also does not have the cardio to grind out Wonderboy against the fence. Also worth noting that Thompson just completely demolished the southpaw version of Woodley in Johny Hendricks, he outwrestled Ellenberger and beat up pretty convincingly Rory, who is pretty good in cutting off the ring himself and could not crowd Thompson at all in their fight.

All in all I think Woodley for sure can land that right hand and KO Wonderboy, but this is very unlikely. If he can't do it in the 1st round, he is going to be with his back against the fence as usual and is going to be picked apart and most likely TKO'd.

On November 09 2016 18:05 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On November 07 2016 01:46 PuertoRican wrote: Random thoughts about Wonderboy vs. Woodley The fight I keep thinking about most is Wonderboy vs. Woodley. I expected Woodley's cardio to be new and improved for his last fight against Lawler, and he ended up finishing him fast, so it was never tested. Woodley also basically left team ATT in Florida for his last fight and trained at Roufusport with Duke Roufus/Pettis brothers/etc. and brought his main coach with him from ATT. Although, Woodley owns an ATT gym somewhere (I think Atlanta), and he never officially left ATT in Florida cuz he will always be a part of the family since he owns one of their gyms. This won't be like Wonderboy vs. Hendricks. Woodley won't do the same shit. Woodley is wayyyyy faster, stronger, closes the distance much faster, and hits much harder than Johny Hendricks. Woodley's explosiveness is also better than Hendricks', which means he'll present different take downs to Wonderboy. We also don't know how good Wonderboy's cardio is against someone who can control him against the cage and on the ground. He needs a lot of space to kick, and his punches aren't super technical and he lacks the pop in his hands for 1-punch KOs. Another big factor is confidence. Both guys are very confident, but Woodley is in the zone right now, and he's mentally superior and is willing to take the fight wherever to win. Wonderboy can only hope to avoid the TD and not get KO`ed. Since Wonderboy is mostly a kicker, and Tyron has a stance that allows him to move away and move in real fast and has the speed in his feet and hands and power, I think this will end up being a bad MU for Wonderboy. From what I've seen Woodley is absolutely horrible at closing the distance outside of throwing his right hand. He couldn't do shit to Shields/Rory standing because they threw out jabs. People seem to forget that prior to knocking out a post USADA Lawler ( who was pretty much confirmed on steroids at 189 against Rory and look much different physically against Woodley ) who had been in a ton of wars and almost KO'd a few times and should have lost to Condit/Hendricks, Woodley had a super unimpressive showing against a completely drained Gastelum. It's definitely possible he's improved a ton since then, but I don't think theres any evidence to support it. I also think Roufus Sport is likely a much worse gym than ATT. I actually think Roufus sport is a shit gym, and Pettis wins usually because of his talent. I mean how many times have we seen Pettis lose to the same strategy and he hasn't done shit to improve it. I don't think I've ever seen anyone come out of that gym and have a good game plan or strategy etc. Woodley has a deadly right hand for offense but besides that he's extremely limited. People keep talking about his wrestling, who has he beat with his wrestling? He hasn't beat anyone with it since like Jordain Mein in strikeforce lol. He was like 2/14 in takedowns on Paul Daley. And his top game is really awful. My predictions for everything in 2016 have sucked tho so prob bet the house on Woodley

Probably cuz you're biased as fuck.

Woodley is good at closing the distance, his stance + speed + explosiveness is crazy.

Regarding his wrestling, he has only gotten 3 take downs in the UFC, and it was when he fought Carlos Condit. He hasn't used his wrestling much in the UFC because he hasn't had to use it.

I'm still not 100% who I think will win the fight yet, but if you think Woodley won't be able to close the distance against Wonderboy, you're gonna be surprised when he does so.

Regarding the fight against Shields, Woodley owned Shields with leg kicks, which is a major underrated weapon of his that I expect him to use against Wonderboy. Woodley isn't an amazing leg kicker, it's the speed + weight + power he puts into the kicks that makes them deadly, as well as the placement (he always aims for the side of the kneecap).

Has Stephen Thompson ever struggled with anyone besides Matt Brown? Because that fight was literally 2 years into his MMA career and he was training out of some bum fuck gym in north carolina. Since then he's been training with Weidman and company giving him some of the very best grappling training you can get I'd say and he's looked unstoppable. He hasn't been taken down a single time that fight and has in fact taken down several guys, including Rory.

On November 09 2016 20:46 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On November 09 2016 18:05 Stim_Abuser wrote:   On November 07 2016 01:46 PuertoRican wrote: Random thoughts about Wonderboy vs. Woodley The fight I keep thinking about most is Wonderboy vs. Woodley. I expected Woodley's cardio to be new and improved for his last fight against Lawler, and he ended up finishing him fast, so it was never tested. Woodley also basically left team ATT in Florida for his last fight and trained at Roufusport with Duke Roufus/Pettis brothers/etc. and brought his main coach with him from ATT. Although, Woodley owns an ATT gym somewhere (I think Atlanta), and he never officially left ATT in Florida cuz he will always be a part of the family since he owns one of their gyms. This won't be like Wonderboy vs. Hendricks. Woodley won't do the same shit. Woodley is wayyyyy faster, stronger, closes the distance much faster, and hits much harder than Johny Hendricks. Woodley's explosiveness is also better than Hendricks', which means he'll present different take downs to Wonderboy. We also don't know how good Wonderboy's cardio is against someone who can control him against the cage and on the ground. He needs a lot of space to kick, and his punches aren't super technical and he lacks the pop in his hands for 1-punch KOs. Another big factor is confidence. Both guys are very confident, but Woodley is in the zone right now, and he's mentally superior and is willing to take the fight wherever to win. Wonderboy can only hope to avoid the TD and not get KO`ed. Since Wonderboy is mostly a kicker, and Tyron has a stance that allows him to move away and move in real fast and has the speed in his feet and hands and power, I think this will end up being a bad MU for Wonderboy. From what I've seen Woodley is absolutely horrible at closing the distance outside of throwing his right hand. He couldn't do shit to Shields/Rory standing because they threw out jabs. People seem to forget that prior to knocking out a post USADA Lawler ( who was pretty much confirmed on steroids at 189 against Rory and look much different physically against Woodley ) who had been in a ton of wars and almost KO'd a few times and should have lost to Condit/Hendricks, Woodley had a super unimpressive showing against a completely drained Gastelum. It's definitely possible he's improved a ton since then, but I don't think theres any evidence to support it. I also think Roufus Sport is likely a much worse gym than ATT. I actually think Roufus sport is a shit gym, and Pettis wins usually because of his talent. I mean how many times have we seen Pettis lose to the same strategy and he hasn't done shit to improve it. I don't think I've ever seen anyone come out of that gym and have a good game plan or strategy etc. Woodley has a deadly right hand for offense but besides that he's extremely limited. People keep talking about his wrestling, who has he beat with his wrestling? He hasn't beat anyone with it since like Jordain Mein in strikeforce lol. He was like 2/14 in takedowns on Paul Daley. And his top game is really awful. My predictions for everything in 2016 have sucked tho so prob bet the house on Woodley Probably cuz you're biased as fuck. Woodley is good at closing the distance, his stance + speed + explosiveness is crazy. Regarding his wrestling, he has only gotten 3 take downs in the UFC, and it was when he fought Carlos Condit. He hasn't used his wrestling much in the UFC because he hasn't had to use it. I'm still not 100% who I think will win the fight yet, but if you think Woodley won't be able to close the distance against Wonderboy, you're gonna be surprised when he does so. Regarding the fight against Shields, Woodley owned Shields with leg kicks, which is a major underrated weapon of his that I expect him to use against Wonderboy. Woodley isn't an amazing leg kicker, it's the speed + weight + power he puts into the kicks that makes them deadly, as well as the placement (he always aims for the side of the kneecap).

Lets be fair, 2016 has been a crazy as fuck year with a ton of upsets nobody saw coming. That said I am biased.

And Woodley hasn't had to use his wrestling? I disagree because if he had this secret awesome wrestling maybe he wouldn't have gotten embarrassed by Rory, lost to Shields, and wrecked by Mardquart. Actually he did try to take down Rory & Mardquart and failed.

And with Condit, he did get some takedowns but Condit got right back up pretty easily and absorbed zero damage. So I wouldn't say that's a great showing of his ability to win fights with wrestling. Although I guess he kind of did since the freak injury came off a takedown ;o.

On November 09 2016 20:47 Stim_Abuser wrote: Has Stephen Thompson ever struggled with anyone besides Matt Brown? Because that fight was literally 2 years into his MMA career and he was training out of some bum fuck gym in north carolina. Since then he's been training with Weidman and company giving him some of the very best grappling training you can get I'd say and he's looked unstoppable. He hasn't been taken down a single time that fight and has in fact taken down several guys, including Rory.

Struggled is a vague term. He got dropped by Ellenberger, but recovered well and beat his ass.

Wonderboy never took Rory down. Here's his record + stats: http://www.ufc.com/fighter/Stephen-Thompson

Wonderboy has looked impressive, but has also beat everyone he was "expected" to beat during the time he fought them, aside from Rory, which was a coin flip.

After his loss to Matt Brown, he fought 5 strikers in a row until he reached a wrestler + boxer in Johny Hendricks, followed by Rory. Hendricks complained that he was too drained when he entered the octagon, which was why he looked extra small in the cage and couldn't close the distance properly and secure a take down (I expected him to lose even at his best). Also, everyone knows Hendricks hit a downward slope after his robber loss to GSP; his performances are slightly worse each time, and he doesn't strike the same anymore, which is why he doesn't knock anyone out these days. Regarding Rory, it was a toss up pre-fight, but he was coming off of an 11 month break from fighting because he was in that war with Lawler in his previous fight where his nose was shattered in the 5th round and he couldn't see, which is why he dropped down and essentially gave up (he would've won a decision if he lasted 3 more minutes). When Rory fought Wonderboy, his nose got broken again. Rory is now with Bellator and won't fight until 2017 because his nose is still fucked up and is just hoping it will heal after taking several months off, but his nose will always be a problem going forward, which is why I will bet against him when he fights Koreshkov (Koreshkov is better, imo).

p.s. Hendricks said he's going to retire if he loses his next fight, which is against Neil Magny at UFC 207 on December 30.

Think you guys are overestimating Woodley, he seemed improved against Lawler - true, but 2min fight doesn't give much info. His previous fight against Gastelum was terrible, felt like Gastelum did not give 100% and thats why he lost to a split. He s lost to McDonald previously as well, which probably is too far away to matter.

Only way I see him win is duplicating the fight against Lawler, except I really have no clue how will he be able to close the distance considering his reach and speed.

PR why do you think that he can close the distance easily? Especially against someone like Thompson that has a super disciplined style and wouldn't overextend or lose his cool and keeps his distance/reach mostly perfect

Wonderboy wont stand in the pocket with woodley, he will gauge the distance and pick him apart imo. Looking for a finish in 4th round when woodleys hands really start to drop

On November 10 2016 09:38 handbanana21 wrote: Wonderboy wont stand in the pocket with woodley, he will gauge the distance and pick him apart imo. Looking for a finish in 4th round when woodleys hands really start to drop

In that free fight video vs Jake Ellenberger Thompson got popped pretty hard with a stiff punch early in the first round that rocked him a bit. That really worries me, because he absolutely can't afford that kind of mistake this match.

Also mad props to Wonderboy for waking up with this melody, I dont know if it was just for the clip or he actually wakes up with it, but that wake up alarm makes me wanna punch newborn babies

Also was about time that obviously fake friendliness between the polish girls fall.

What an embarrassing pre fight presser from both Conor and Eddie smh. Conor just using the same old schtick and lines he's been using for awhile now as well.

woodley clips lawler now suddenly he's cain velasquez lol
you are buying into his whole "conor" shtick way too much. id like to see him fight Lawler again if anything, just like with how JDS clipped Cain in their first fight and got mauled in the next 2

Just cashed a fat bet from back when I was betting major loot and decided to throw a decent chunk on "Anybody but Clinton" @ +110 before the primaries.

Just in time for UFC 205.YES!!!!

Ready to go hard for this card.

I just don't see Woodley as enough of a diverse or pressure oriented fighter to really cause problems over the course of 5 rounds.... is Wonderboy really the type to get caught by that right hand?

Think about how hard it is to make Wonderboy make a mistake, and then think about how for most of Woodley's career he's just backed up against the cage and waited to either shoot under an opponents strikes or fake the shot and unload the right. Than he goes out and starches Lawler in the one way we already knew was totally how you would expect him to beat Lawler.

I just don't see it.

Will he look as bad as USADA Hendricks? Fuck no.

Will he likely time a couple of good chances and put a scare into Wonderboy early? ZPossible.

Will that be enough? Doubt it.

Wonderboy late KO or Decision after taking a full 8-10 minutes to get his timing, range, and Woodley's explosion-threat lowered is my pick.

cant wait.

On November 11 2016 01:05 whamm! wrote: woodley clips lawler now suddenly he's cain velasquez lol you are buying into his whole "conor" shtick way too much. id like to see him fight Lawler again if anything, just like with how JDS clipped Cain in their first fight and got mauled in the next 2

learn to love niggers whamm

how many times is mini velasquez gonna miss weight :/