- A welterweight bout between former welterweight champion Robbie Lawler and former lightweight title challenger Donald Cerrone was the first confirmed bout of the event. However, just a few days after the announcement, it was revealed the Lawler decided to take a little more time to get ready for the fight after losing his title via knockout at UFC 201. Lawler was replaced by Kelvin Gastelum, who was scheduled to face Jorge Masvidal one week earlier.
- A lightweight bout between Al Iaquinta and former welterweight title challenger Thiago Alves was previously linked to UFC 202. However, the pairing was initially delayed and was expected to be contested at this event. Subsequently, Iaquinta announced on September 19 that he pulled out due to a contract dispute with the promotion. He was replaced by Jim Miller.
- A welterweight bout between former Bellator Welterweight Champion Lyman Good and Belal Muhammad was scheduled for the preliminary portion of the event. However on October 24, Good was pulled from the card after being notified by USADA due to a potential anti-doping violation stemming from an out-of-competition sample collected ten days earlier. Additional information or UFC statements will be provided at the appropriate time as the process moves forward. Good was replaced by Vicente Luque on October 25.
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PuertoRican United States. Oct 09 2016 20:50. Posts 13039
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First impression of the match-ups:
• McGregor > Alvarez
• Thompson > Woodley
• JJ > KK
• Weidman > Romero
• Cerrone > Gastelum
• Pennington > Tate
• Edgar > Stephens
• Nurmagomedov > Johnson
• Kennedy > Evans
• Natal > Boetsch
• Alves > Miller (Alves' first drop to Lightweight and hasn't fought in 1.5 years)
• Good > Muhammad
• Chookagian > Carmouche
PuertoRican United States. Oct 10 2016 00:42. Posts 13039
On October 09 2016 23:29 Spitfiree wrote:
Why Pennington > Tate as a first impression? I dont really feel like Pennington is better than her even on the ground
Pennington has better striking and clinch game, and has good take down defense.
Tate his super easy to hit in the face, and she'll need to get the fight on the ground to clearly win this fight.
Thompson rocking the backpack, Alvarez doesn't know how to shave.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Oct 11 2016 22:05. Posts 7499
Greatest card ever
Eddie
Wonderboy
The Chris
Cerrone which is weird because I've always doubted him, but he seems to have fixed his major leaks in head movement, footwork and boxing. Still super close fight cuz Kelvin is good and should have like 15 pounds on cerrone.
Khabib but Michael could absolutely give him problems and beat him. Still have no idea how badly all these injuries have affected Khabib
Frankie
Kennady
Alves
I might end up crying if Weidman & Wonderboy end up losing, but I think they are both solid favorites here.
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McGregor TKO
Woodley KO
Jedrzejczyk TKO
Weidman SUB
Cerrone DECISION
Johnson KO
Don't care about the rest.
General predictions:
Khabib will get exposed as hella overrated.
Romero will grab the cage.
Kelvin will land a surprising amount of strikes on Cerrone but Cerrone still takes it after losing the first round on his back.
McGregor will make it look easy.
Woodley will eat a ton of shots but land a bomb of doom early.
I dont get how anyone can predict woodly winning this one, I literally cant think of a worst matchup, hell its probably even worse than a rematch vs McDonald, he has a powerful right but he isnt a good counterpuncher and doesnt set it up, and he is facing one of the most elusive and arguably the best fighter at controlling distance in the entire UFC roster
alvarez could surprise conor and KO the shit out of him in the 3rd round once he gasses AGAIN. conor is over hyped.
wonderboy vs woodley is closer than everyone thinks. woodley is underrated i feel this fight will prove his skills as a fighter. i would love to see wonderboy knocked out cold. that would be fun.
On October 12 2016 03:38 lucky331 wrote:
alvarez could surprise conor and KO the shit out of him in the 3rd round once he gasses AGAIN. conor is over hyped.
wonderboy vs woodley is closer than everyone thinks. woodley is underrated i feel this fight will prove his skills as a fighter. i would love to see wonderboy knocked out cold. that would be fun.
The conditions that caused Conor to gas against Diaz won't be there this time around (carrying extra weight, having to overextend and explode with each shot to compensate against the range and height, etc.)
He'll avoid the takedown better than people expect and soften Eddie up, eventually winning by overwhelming volume. It'll be Mendes all over again.
On October 12 2016 03:22 Baalim wrote:
I dont get how anyone can predict woodly winning this one, I literally cant think of a worst matchup, hell its probably even worse than a rematch vs McDonald, he has a powerful right but he isnt a good counterpuncher and doesnt set it up, and he is facing one of the most elusive and arguably the best fighter at controlling distance in the entire UFC roster
Not a logical prediction as much as it's a gut feeling, for me.
On October 12 2016 03:38 lucky331 wrote:
alvarez could surprise conor and KO the shit out of him in the 3rd round once he gasses AGAIN. conor is over hyped.
wonderboy vs woodley is closer than everyone thinks. woodley is underrated i feel this fight will prove his skills as a fighter. i would love to see wonderboy knocked out cold. that would be fun.
The conditions that caused Conor to gas against Diaz won't be there this time around (carrying extra weight, having to overextend and explode with each shot to compensate against the range and height, etc.)
He'll avoid the takedown better than people expect and soften Eddie up, eventually winning by overwhelming volume. It'll be Mendes all over again.
maybe you're right about the carry weight part but wrong that it will be mendes all over again. mendes wasn't even prepared for that fight. alvarez has also shown that he could be relentless with his strikes and i dont think conor's TD defense is that good. but we'll see. alvarez is way better on the ground too imo. so he'll go for the TD and he'll get a few.
and i do not think conor has rested well enough and has fully rejuvenated to take this fight.
Alvarez will try the tactic he employed against Pettis. Wrestle for his life, but I think Conor reacts better to pressure than Pettis and is harder to be crowded against the fence, actually He will be the one putting the pressure. Eddie will look clueless and get smashed in the 1st , imo.
Woodley for sure can surprise and KO Wonderboy early. Thompson carries his hands low and relies on his counterpunching and movement when attacked, but against Ellenberger he got dropped. And Woodley have the power and the speed to put him out. Most likely he will get picked apart and stopped, though.
Romero and Weidman is super close, imo. Very interesting to see how Romero will look now in the USADA era. Expect him to come out and take the 1st round and fade later on, with the Chris taking over.
Khabib will grapplefuck MJ.
Hope Rashad beats dumb soldier Tim Kennedy, just can't stand this retarded clown. Romero smashing his face in is one of the best highlights in recent memory.
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jvilla777 Australia. Oct 12 2016 12:39. Posts 1348
McGregor's frame is bigger than Eddie's frame.
I feel the fight will have a lot of similarities between the Mendes vs McGregor fight
longple: ur missing the point! this is an attempt to get away from the bumhuntmentality!
I still remember how easily Mendes took McGregor down before he got too tired to do anything. I'm really wondering if Alvarez can't just do that all night. As always I'm really intrigued by Conor fighting to see how he will deal with his opponent. I haven't bet on MMA in a while now. What do you guys think of Thompson at -175?
On October 12 2016 13:02 Nazgul wrote:
I still remember how easily Mendes took McGregor down before he got too tired to do anything. I'm really wondering if Alvarez can't just do that all night. As always I'm really intrigued by Conor fighting to see how he will deal with his opponent. I haven't bet on MMA in a while now. What do you guys think of Thompson at -175?
It has been a long time since that fight Connors TD defense should be better, his defense vs Nate against the cage appeared flawless.
Pettis folds under pressure, he is not a counterstriker and he relies on his kicks, he needs space and time, he does all the flashy shit to get a response kind of like Anderson Silva with less goofing and more effective on the offense, but rushing Connor doesnt seem like a good idea the same way rushing Silva is bad.
I think Connor Knocks out out in the 1st or 2nd, but I dont think it was Nate's style that tired Conor, I think Conor simply has really bad cardio and that is scary.
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soberstone United States. Oct 12 2016 14:34. Posts 2662
On October 09 2016 23:29 Spitfiree wrote:
Why Pennington > Tate as a first impression? I dont really feel like Pennington is better than her even on the ground
I completely agree with this pick. I lean Pennington, Tate has so many holes she has just gritted through a lot of close fights against McMann, Holm, even Jessica Eye in the first round and got KO'd by Zingano who I've realized was overrated. Than Nunez pastes her in 1 min (I was on Nunes big for that fight for this same reason). Miesha isn't very good, just gritty and a solid grappler with slightly above average power for WMMA 135.
Pennington on the other hand has improved to the point where she is def a better more active striker, and I'm sure she can keep it standing for the most part, where she'll be outpointing Miesha.
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soberstone United States. Oct 12 2016 15:02. Posts 2662
Conor > Alavares
I dont mind the Eddie/Mendez dynamic comparison, I think Eddie's gameplan should be similar in terms of looking for the TD/GnP/Sub, but some key diff:
- Mendes is so compact/stocky/quick and has a good enough overhand right that he was able to play off of that punch and get in on Conor's hips and blast away. I don't think Eddie is as quick to be able to get in at will like Mendes. Ofcourse he can theoretically take Conor down but it won't be as easy. (the biggest key IMO)
- Conor was not 100 percent for the Mendes fight, had a fucked up knee and the most brutal looking weight cut I've ever seen
- Conor is a better grappler/fighter now than he was than, this is just common sense given his career trajectory
- Eddie is a way more technical striker than Mendes, he actually throws in combination and doesn't just rely on power. I don't think he hits quite as hard 1 punch wise as Chad, hard to say, but he's def better on the feet
- If Eddie does get Conor down flat on his back, Eddie will be able to do more damage and/or threaten Conor more from the top, not just lay in guard, but laying in guard is what won Mendes those rounds, Eddie's aggression on the ground will give Conor a chance to get up
- Mendes was on short notice with shit cardio, Eddie will be in great shape as always
- Mentally, Eddie seems like he won't possibly break the way Chad did
All in all, I favor Conor pretty big, I think the first point is the most important in practice because despite Eddie being a better striker than Mendes, he's still most likely at a massive disadvantage trading over time and I'm fairly confident McGregor can keep it standing most of the time, I don't think he will get wrestlefucked to a decision, and I think he can survive and get up off of the ground.
That said, the 2 distinct paths to victory for Eddie:
- Use illusive footwork on the feet to keep the volume low between clinch/wrestling exchanges, outwrestle McGregor enough to take rounds and ultimately a decision
- Survive an early war that drains them both, take over and get a late stoppage or win a close decision due to massive heart and cardio
- (#3 would be submission via a massive ground advantage, but I think Conor is vastly underrated on the ground and this is much less likely than people are probably projecting
On October 12 2016 10:42 northsails wrote:
Alvarez will try the tactic he employed against Pettis. Wrestle for his life, but I think Conor reacts better to pressure than Pettis and is harder to be crowded against the fence, actually He will be the one putting the pressure. Eddie will look clueless and get smashed in the 1st , imo.
Exactly my thoughts on ME, It will be a surprise if Alvarez survives the first round, even though people underestimate Alvarez a bit when it comes to responding to pressure imo.
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PuertoRican United States. Oct 12 2016 16:34. Posts 13039
On October 12 2016 13:02 Nazgul wrote:
I still remember how easily Mendes took McGregor down before he got too tired to do anything. I'm really wondering if Alvarez can't just do that all night. As always I'm really intrigued by Conor fighting to see how he will deal with his opponent. I haven't bet on MMA in a while now. What do you guys think of Thompson at -175?
Conor had a knee injury going into that fight, and he faced the best wrestler in the division. Eddie isn't an elite wrestler, even though he'll have the wrestling advantage against Conor.
I think Wonderboy will win, but I think his line will get better than -160.
1. Didn't Eddie take Pettis down over and over?
2. Would you say Conor's takedown defense is better than Pettis (keep weight in mind too this isn't p4p)?
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PuertoRican United States. Oct 12 2016 19:14. Posts 13039
On October 12 2016 16:31 Nazgul wrote:
1. Didn't Eddie take Pettis down over and over?
2. Would you say Conor's takedown defense is better than Pettis (keep weight in mind too this isn't p4p)?
First, I don't think Pettis and Conor are similar fighters, so I wouldn't compare how Pettis fought and how Conor might fight against Alvarez.
Second, Alvarez got 3 TDs in R1 against Pettis, then he wasn't able to get any TDs in R2, and then got 3 TDs in R3. Alvarez literally hugged Pettis and kept him against the cage and didn't do much damage, as seen in his punch stats (Alvarez got 3 TDs in R1 and grinded Pettis against the cage and only landed 3 significant strikes). When Alvarez wasn't able to get the TD in R2, he lost the round by Pettis landing more strikes (all three judges gave Pettis this round). R3 was just bad fight IQ by Pettis, as he went for some type of kick (spinning?) and got taken down, and he also just stared at Alvarez when they were on the feet and didn't throw any strikes. Finally, Pettis is known as a small lightweight fighter, in that he is skinny and doesn't weigh a lot on fight-day, while someone like Conor will re-hydrate and be stronger than someone like Pettis and won't get hugged against the cage in R1 and R2 like Pettis did. Pettis moved down to 145 in his last fight cuz of his size, and then he called out Alvarez afterward for a title fight, which tells me Pettis doesn't plan on staying at 145 if he doesn't have to (his cardio was shit after R1 ended and was going to lose a decision to Charles Oliveira if he didn't get the submission).
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Stim_Abuser United States. Oct 12 2016 21:22. Posts 7499
On October 12 2016 13:02 Nazgul wrote:
I still remember how easily Mendes took McGregor down before he got too tired to do anything. I'm really wondering if Alvarez can't just do that all night. As always I'm really intrigued by Conor fighting to see how he will deal with his opponent. I haven't bet on MMA in a while now. What do you guys think of Thompson at -175?
It has been a long time since that fight Connors TD defense should be better, his defense vs Nate against the cage appeared flawless.
Pettis folds under pressure, he is not a counterstriker and he relies on his kicks, he needs space and time, he does all the flashy shit to get a response kind of like Anderson Silva with less goofing and more effective on the offense, but rushing Connor doesnt seem like a good idea the same way rushing Silva is bad.
I think Connor Knocks out out in the 1st or 2nd, but I dont think it was Nate's style that tired Conor, I think Conor simply has really bad cardio and that is scary.
Alvarez doesn't need the cage to use takedowns. He's got a nasty double and single he can use in the middle of the cage. Pettis actually kinda backs himself up to the fence on purpose to help with his TDD. He's been doing it for awhile and it worked in the Bendo fight for example.
Also Nate is a horrible wrestler. His takedown on Conor was his first in like 7 years and he has like 30% success rate and most of that is against bums. So stuffing Nate doesn't say much.
I agree Conor is a much better counter striker than Pettis and could definitely catch Alvarez coming in. But Pettis is also a ridiculously better grappler than Conor. People seem to think Conor will do as well in the grappling as Pettis did and that just isn't the case. Pettis is an absolutely monster grappler. Dude subbed Melendez, Bendo, and Oliveria.
If Eddie gets Conor down it won't be a stalemate like the Pettis fight. He should have a pretty sizable advantage.
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On October 12 2016 10:42 northsails wrote:
Alvarez will try the tactic he employed against Pettis. Wrestle for his life, but I think Conor reacts better to pressure than Pettis and is harder to be crowded against the fence, actually He will be the one putting the pressure. Eddie will look clueless and get smashed in the 1st , imo.
Woodley for sure can surprise and KO Wonderboy early. Thompson carries his hands low and relies on his counterpunching and movement when attacked, but against Ellenberger he got dropped. And Woodley have the power and the speed to put him out. Most likely he will get picked apart and stopped, though.
yes that is the same assesment that I am having about the alvarez and mcgregor fight. alrvarez will wresle and grind conor until he gets tired. eddie believes he can take the irishman's barrage because he also can strike.
you are a brilliant analyst because you and I have the same opinion of woodley. woodley will win. i will bet on it again like the fight vs lawler.
On October 12 2016 13:02 Nazgul wrote:
I still remember how easily Mendes took McGregor down before he got too tired to do anything. I'm really wondering if Alvarez can't just do that all night. As always I'm really intrigued by Conor fighting to see how he will deal with his opponent. I haven't bet on MMA in a while now. What do you guys think of Thompson at -175?
It has been a long time since that fight Connors TD defense should be better, his defense vs Nate against the cage appeared flawless.
Pettis folds under pressure, he is not a counterstriker and he relies on his kicks, he needs space and time, he does all the flashy shit to get a response kind of like Anderson Silva with less goofing and more effective on the offense, but rushing Connor doesnt seem like a good idea the same way rushing Silva is bad.
I think Connor Knocks out out in the 1st or 2nd, but I dont think it was Nate's style that tired Conor, I think Conor simply has really bad cardio and that is scary.
Alvarez doesn't need the cage to use takedowns. He's got a nasty double and single he can use in the middle of the cage. Pettis actually kinda backs himself up to the fence on purpose to help with his TDD. He's been doing it for awhile and it worked in the Bendo fight for example.
Also Nate is a horrible wrestler. His takedown on Conor was his first in like 7 years and he has like 30% success rate and most of that is against bums. So stuffing Nate doesn't say much.
I agree Conor is a much better counter striker than Pettis and could definitely catch Alvarez coming in. But Pettis is also a ridiculously better grappler than Conor. People seem to think Conor will do as well in the grappling as Pettis did and that just isn't the case. Pettis is an absolutely monster grappler. Dude subbed Melendez, Bendo, and Oliveria.
If Eddie gets Conor down it won't be a stalemate like the Pettis fight. He should have a pretty sizable advantage.
The thing is takedown attempts against the cage wears down both fighters, takedown attempts in the middle of the ring only wear down the one who attempts it, Conor is usually light on his feet except when the opponent gives him a lot of aciton on his feet, in those cases he sinks the heels and relies on upper body movement, so if Alvarez wants to get a shot at taking him down he is going to have to trade big or get a perfect double timing Connor in but again, Connor wont commit to leads if Eddie doesnt be willing to trade hard punches.
A cautious Alvarez gets picked apart, I think Alvarez needs to get in there and risk getting knocked to win this fight
Eddie's head seems like it's begging to get Knocked out cold, small mouth and Chin, big forehead etc
I really doubt his mouth and chin can absorb one clean shot from Mcgregoat. I say this because I have the same features and whenever I try tapping my jaw lightly with my fist I feel like I just had a mild concussion lol
On October 13 2016 09:42 whamm! wrote:
Eddie's head seems like it's begging to get Knocked out cold, small mouth and Chin, big forehead etc
I really doubt his mouth and chin can absorb one clean shot from Mcgregoat. I say this because I have the same features and whenever I try tapping my jaw lightly with my fist I feel like I just had a mild concussion lol
LOLOL try it harder and lets see if you faceplant on your keyboard :D
I've never head of a theory of facial structure being more prone to KOs, I mean, I guess a big squared jaw have more mass thus rotating less decreasing impact on the brain but theres probably bigger factors like actually how many Gs your brain has to experience before it shuts off, interesting topic I've never researched it.
I have an average or slightly heavier than avg jaw and Im hitting it moderately hard with my knuckles and I feel absolutely nothing
On October 13 2016 09:42 whamm! wrote:
Eddie's head seems like it's begging to get Knocked out cold, small mouth and Chin, big forehead etc
I really doubt his mouth and chin can absorb one clean shot from Mcgregoat. I say this because I have the same features and whenever I try tapping my jaw lightly with my fist I feel like I just had a mild concussion lol
LOLOL try it harder and lets see if you faceplant on your keyboard :D
I've never head of a theory of facial structure being more prone to KOs, I mean, I guess a big squared jaw have more mass thus rotating less decreasing impact on the brain but theres probably bigger factors like actually how many Gs your brain has to experience before it shuts off, interesting topic I've never researched it.
I have an average or slightly heavier than avg jaw and Im hitting it moderately hard with my knuckles and I feel absolutely nothing
can you post a selfie? i am curious. i would like to see what a slightly heavier average jaw looks like.
also what will happen is alvarez will knockout the irishman in the 1st round.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Oct 13 2016 19:09. Posts 7499
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Stim_Abuser United States. Oct 13 2016 19:36. Posts 7499
On October 12 2016 13:02 Nazgul wrote:
I still remember how easily Mendes took McGregor down before he got too tired to do anything. I'm really wondering if Alvarez can't just do that all night. As always I'm really intrigued by Conor fighting to see how he will deal with his opponent. I haven't bet on MMA in a while now. What do you guys think of Thompson at -175?
It has been a long time since that fight Connors TD defense should be better, his defense vs Nate against the cage appeared flawless.
Pettis folds under pressure, he is not a counterstriker and he relies on his kicks, he needs space and time, he does all the flashy shit to get a response kind of like Anderson Silva with less goofing and more effective on the offense, but rushing Connor doesnt seem like a good idea the same way rushing Silva is bad.
I think Connor Knocks out out in the 1st or 2nd, but I dont think it was Nate's style that tired Conor, I think Conor simply has really bad cardio and that is scary.
Alvarez doesn't need the cage to use takedowns. He's got a nasty double and single he can use in the middle of the cage. Pettis actually kinda backs himself up to the fence on purpose to help with his TDD. He's been doing it for awhile and it worked in the Bendo fight for example.
Also Nate is a horrible wrestler. His takedown on Conor was his first in like 7 years and he has like 30% success rate and most of that is against bums. So stuffing Nate doesn't say much.
I agree Conor is a much better counter striker than Pettis and could definitely catch Alvarez coming in. But Pettis is also a ridiculously better grappler than Conor. People seem to think Conor will do as well in the grappling as Pettis did and that just isn't the case. Pettis is an absolutely monster grappler. Dude subbed Melendez, Bendo, and Oliveria.
If Eddie gets Conor down it won't be a stalemate like the Pettis fight. He should have a pretty sizable advantage.
The thing is takedown attempts against the cage wears down both fighters, takedown attempts in the middle of the ring only wear down the one who attempts it, Conor is usually light on his feet except when the opponent gives him a lot of aciton on his feet, in those cases he sinks the heels and relies on upper body movement, so if Alvarez wants to get a shot at taking him down he is going to have to trade big or get a perfect double timing Connor in but again, Connor wont commit to leads if Eddie doesnt be willing to trade hard punches.
A cautious Alvarez gets picked apart, I think Alvarez needs to get in there and risk getting knocked to win this fight
Not sure how you came to that conclusion when everyone Conor has fought has given him action on the feet, which isn't surprising since Mendes is the only non striker he's faced. And it's not surprising Mendes gave him action on the feet considering he'd become a striker at that point who'd only used his wrestling once in the past like 5-6 years which was against Lentz, a fight he looked terrible in.
As a side none of Mendes takedowns in the fight were set up with strikes. He either shot with zero set up and got it or ducked under a Conor punch and got it.
Having just rewatched the Mendes fight I'm even more confident in Eddie winning. Plus the Firas breakdown
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iakim322 United States. Oct 13 2016 22:16. Posts 1335
Have to rewatch some Eddie fights but I think Mendes' shots are actually more explosive than Eddie's. That and while Nates wrestling is weak as fuck, the recent Conor looked a ton sturdier than that skeleton Conor that fought Mendes which gives credibility to the notion that Conor's knee really was whack that fight. Eddie's striking is more diverse than chad's but really not by a lot. And seeing as how I always thought, as do many, that Conor's optimal weight is '55, I think an impressive Conor showing is coming
Really really want Weidman and Thompson to wipe out Romero and Woodley. And they really should. Nagging feeling to not go so big on Thompson tho. He should easily pick Woodley apart and make it look like it should've been 10:1. Just a weird feeling that Woodley will close that gap one time. Hoping Thompson can roll back with the shot well because as one dimensional as he can get and as much as I dislike him, that explosive Woodley right might be one of the more underrated single weapons in mma
Going to be on Honda pretty good. Already saw so much random Honda hate and how 2:1 is like the biggest gift on Nunes. Sure hope they follow through and pull the line down. Nunes is really good obviously but such a diff striker than the much more mobile and defensive Holm. Going to be a lot easier to grab onto Nunes as opposed to Holm. Only real problem in my eyes is that Honda possibly hasn't wisened up to proper game plans or just in general yet... determined solely because she hasn't dumped her complete garbage ass trainer yet
On October 12 2016 16:31 Nazgul wrote:
1. Didn't Eddie take Pettis down over and over?
Yeah but McGregor s gonna come out swinging and putting the pressure on Alvarez right off the bat like he usually does. Pettis does not fight similarly, plus I dont believe Pettis has a good TDD, he can just really hurt you off his back and on the ground overall
Let's not make Eddie out to be this dominant grappler, which he is not. Mendes has better wrestling than him and actually early in his career before he learned some striking was a lay and pray fighter.
Alvarez did not put a wrestling clinic on Pettis. He was able to take him down a couple times briefly and mostly stalled against the cage, which earned him a close split decision. Pettis might have a better TDD than Conor, but he is easily backed against the cage when pressured, something that is not easy to do against Conor, who mostly puts the pressure himself or stands his ground and fires counters and exits at an angle.
Against Cowboy, Eddie could not hit a takedown to safe his life and got absolutely dismantled on the feet. I am aware that Cerrone intercepting knees were the main reason for that, but his length was also a big issue and I think Mcgregor is going to be the bigger man in this fight.
Alvarez is a brawler/wrestler with good movement, good power and a lot of heart, but he is sometimes very sloppy and gets hurt bad in most of his fights. He is most likely going to be cracked bad by Mcgregor in the 1st round, will he survive it? We'll see.
On October 13 2016 09:42 whamm! wrote:
Eddie's head seems like it's begging to get Knocked out cold, small mouth and Chin, big forehead etc
I really doubt his mouth and chin can absorb one clean shot from Mcgregoat. I say this because I have the same features and whenever I try tapping my jaw lightly with my fist I feel like I just had a mild concussion lol
LOLOL try it harder and lets see if you faceplant on your keyboard :D
I've never head of a theory of facial structure being more prone to KOs, I mean, I guess a big squared jaw have more mass thus rotating less decreasing impact on the brain but theres probably bigger factors like actually how many Gs your brain has to experience before it shuts off, interesting topic I've never researched it.
I have an average or slightly heavier than avg jaw and Im hitting it moderately hard with my knuckles and I feel absolutely nothing
can you post a selfie? i am curious. i would like to see what a slightly heavier average jaw looks like.
also what will happen is alvarez will knockout the irishman in the 1st round.
i am sorry. i meant 3rd round because the irishman will by heavily breathing with his hands on his waist running away from alvarez.
On October 12 2016 16:31 Nazgul wrote:
1. Didn't Eddie take Pettis down over and over?
Yeah but McGregor s gonna come out swinging and putting the pressure on Alvarez right off the bat like he usually does. Pettis does not fight similarly, plus I dont believe Pettis has a good TDD, he can just really hurt you off his back and on the ground overall
maybe he can do this in the first 2 rounds. but by the 3rd round it will be all Alvarez. the irishman will be KO'd or submitted in the 3rd round.
This is how any Conor opponent with a wrestling background is viewed by Conor haters
Yeah look at all the greats chins in all of combat sports history if you can find a chin/mouth like this guy
I think it's a built-in evolutionary response to see a solid looking chin and view it as strength or toughness, I just notice in fighters that it's a common thing. Also a small mouth makes you gas easy - less volume of air coming in and out etc. totally bro-sciencing here lol
They should not be breathing through their mouths at all unlesss in extreme situations soo ... You only exhale through the mouth, thats a common way to manage air in almost all sports?
On October 14 2016 04:47 whamm! wrote:
This is how any Conor opponent with a wrestling background is viewed by Conor haters
Yeah look at all the greats chins in all of combat sports history if you can find a chin/mouth like this guy
I think it's a built-in evolutionary response to see a solid looking chin and view it as strength or toughness, I just notice in fighters that it's a common thing. Also a small mouth makes you gas easy - less volume of air coming in and out etc. totally bro-sciencing here lol
Mayweather's chin is quite thin and not square and strong at all.
Big square jaws are a common trait in heavyweights, im not sure how common it is in lower weight classes and it is probably related to testosterone levels in development, and I suppose its natural that males with more testosterone will be more aggressive and more drawn into combat sports but it doesn't necessarily mean that a square jaw is less prone to KOs
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jvilla777 Australia. Oct 15 2016 02:01. Posts 1348
On October 14 2016 15:43 whamm! wrote:
dont make me post selfies here just to illustrate my point
I want you to illustrate your point tho
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Stim_Abuser United States. Oct 15 2016 22:40. Posts 7499
This isnt about Eddie being great or an elite grappler. I favor several guys over Eddie at LW. It's about Conor being the worst grappler in any top 5 male MMA rankings. Seriously, name a top 5 fighter with worse grappling than Conor. I don't know if he's ever close to any top 5 fight in grappling. He also has some of the worst cardio of any top 5 which for a FW/LW is shameful.
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Why do you guys overestimate Alvarez's cardio ? The dude has not fought in a 5 rounds match since 3 years and he barely got 2 split decision wins in 3 round fights vs people that are far less aggressive standing up and he wasnt exactly looking good in round 3. Conor has bad cardio -> sure, so does Alvarez. Plus it would be surprising if the fight goes over 2-3 rounds at all
On October 14 2016 04:47 whamm! wrote:
This is how any Conor opponent with a wrestling background is viewed by Conor haters
Yeah look at all the greats chins in all of combat sports history if you can find a chin/mouth like this guy
I think it's a built-in evolutionary response to see a solid looking chin and view it as strength or toughness, I just notice in fighters that it's a common thing. Also a small mouth makes you gas easy - less volume of air coming in and out etc. totally bro-sciencing here lol
Mayweather's chin is quite thin and not square and strong at all.
Big square jaws are a common trait in heavyweights, im not sure how common it is in lower weight classes and it is probably related to testosterone levels in development, and I suppose its natural that males with more testosterone will be more aggressive and more drawn into combat sports but it doesn't necessarily mean that a square jaw is less prone to KOs
Eddie just fights retarded when he gets tired and brawls. Conor has a similar gas tank, maybe better at 155, that 1st and 2nd Nate fight probably taught him about a thing or two about losing fights due to cardio. I stick with my small head/mouth/chin theory lol
On October 17 2016 00:17 whamm! wrote:
Eddie just fights retarded when he gets tired and brawls. Conor has a similar gas tank, maybe better at 155, that 1st and 2nd Nate fight probably taught him about a thing or two about losing fights due to cardio. I stick with my small head/mouth/chin theory lol
He lost the 1st because he got tired and he knew it, he talked about how Nate was more efficient etc, so you can bet that he tried to improve on that area, however he still got tired super fast, the only reason he won is because he leg kicked Nate instead of trying to force an exchange overextending himself.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Oct 18 2016 19:39. Posts 7499
Dominick Cruz made a comment on how Conors style just uses a ton of energy and that's why he gets so tired. Considering he had like 4-5 months between the Diaz fights to specifically work on his cardio and spent 300k on the camp and still had bad cardio makes me not have much hope it will get a lot better. I'm sure he'll improve it some but don't think it'll ever be good.
Also gotta love Conor fans. Any other fighter in the world people would say not having to cut weight would improve your cardio. With Conor fans, having to cut 10+ pounds of water is gonna help his cardio lmao.
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On October 18 2016 18:39 Stim_Abuser wrote:
Dominick Cruz made a comment on how Conors style just uses a ton of energy and that's why he gets so tired. Considering he had like 4-5 months between the Diaz fights to specifically work on his cardio and spent 300k on the camp and still had bad cardio makes me not have much hope it will get a lot better. I'm sure he'll improve it some but don't think it'll ever be good.
Also gotta love Conor fans. Any other fighter in the world people would say not having to cut weight would improve your cardio. With Conor fans, having to cut 10+ pounds of water is gonna help his cardio lmao.
Agreed 100%, I remember that comment too and to this date I wonder how true is that, it doesnt look tiring compared to Cruz style of perpetual motion, but who knows, Anderson Silva is the only guy who fights alike and he also had some weird cardio issues in fights that didnt seem tiring, so he might be right.
Indeed its weird people claim cutting weight improves cardio lol, although at lightweight he probably has to cut very little and will be at 100% cardio wise but so was he on his fight vs Nate.
Not saying Conor cardio is great, but it is funny now everyone is putting it out as a major leak. Brawling with a Diaz bro is never good for cardio, that is why their opponents resort to wrestling them or cutting angles and circling away from them for most of the fight. I don't now a single fighter who went there and stand toe to toe with a Diaz for more than a round and was not entirely spent. Mcregor had a 5 round war with Nate in his last fight and even though he got tired and lost the 3rd round big, he came back and won the 4th against the cardio machine Diaz. If his cardio was so bad, surely he should of been finished. Also fighting against a guy like Nate who constantly pressures you and throws hundred of punches is probably the most exhausting thing possible in fighting.
Conor's major leak is obv his grappling. A guy like Khabib probably will wipe the floor with him, but Eddie I don't think is good enough to do that. Mcregor is going to make it look easy.
On October 18 2016 23:14 northsails wrote:
Not saying Conor cardio is great, but it is funny now everyone is putting it out as a major leak. Brawling with a Diaz bro is never good for cardio
Except that McGregor fought a very slow pace first round, he took his time, leg kicking properly, not brawling at all being efficient and he still gassed by the 2nd round
Well, that is correct, but that is his style of fighting. Even though, he was more efficient that the first fight, it is still exhausting way to fight. He was constantly pressuring and countering Diaz in this 2 rounds. It was not like Condit vs Nick for example, where he will just run backwards and circle away when trapped against the cage, scoring with some low kicks or combinations and resetting. My point is that Nate's toughness and sick cardio, made it look like Conor has some really shit cardio, which I don't think is correct. Obv with his power and style of fighting he will not have the best cardio, just like Rumble does not have the best cardio, or Woodley for example.
But still I don't think his cardio will be the issue against Eddie, who is not some cardio freak himself. Alvarez obv way to win is to put Mcregor against the cage, take him down and rough him up there, but if he can't do that and starts giving ground like he usually does, he is pretty much fucked.
On October 19 2016 09:02 northsails wrote:
just like Rumble does not have the best cardio, or Woodley for example.
except that both are much bigger than Conor so they face also guys with less cardio and Woodley wont last even 1 fight as a champ, and Rumble isnt even a champ and will get flattened by Cormier so yeah, having shit cardio is a big disadvantage
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PuertoRican United States. Oct 19 2016 20:43. Posts 13039
On October 18 2016 23:14 northsails wrote:
Not saying Conor cardio is great, but it is funny now everyone is putting it out as a major leak. Brawling with a Diaz bro is never good for cardio
Except that McGregor fought a very slow pace first round, he took his time, leg kicking properly, not brawling at all being efficient and he still gassed by the 2nd round
On October 19 2016 09:02 northsails wrote:
Well, that is correct, but that is his style of fighting. Even though, he was more efficient that the first fight, it is still exhausting way to fight. He was constantly pressuring and countering Diaz in this 2 rounds. It was not like Condit vs Nick for example, where he will just run backwards and circle away when trapped against the cage, scoring with some low kicks or combinations and resetting. My point is that Nate's toughness and sick cardio, made it look like Conor has some really shit cardio, which I don't think is correct. Obv with his power and style of fighting he will not have the best cardio, just like Rumble does not have the best cardio, or Woodley for example.
Leg kicking and being more cautious in Round 1 isn't how Conor fights. He had to be helped to the back of the arena after his second fight was over with Nate. Conor was then on crutches after he was in the back.
So no, leg kicking and fighting the way he did against Nate in their second fight isn't his style of fighting. He knew he had to change something, or end up punching himself out and gassing, followed by getting finished again.
I'm on Conor over Eddie, but I am aware of the cardio issues that will happen if Conor doesn't win within 2 rounds. That being said, I think Conor will win Under 1.5 rounds.
Edit: Conor said after the fight that he never threw that many kicks in a fight before. He's used to throwing only a few kicks at most during a fight, and they're high spinning kicks, not low kicks to slow down an opponent. This is why he was on crutches in the videos you see of him in the back of the arena.
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Big_Rob_isback United States. Oct 21 2016 14:56. Posts 211
When Conor has the reach advantage it is game over for his opponents. Thats why I worried about him vs. Nate. But I think he cracks Eddie here.
I`d like to comment on the cardio issue. You can cut weight lots of ways. If you leave the bulk of it to the last minute it is going to be devastating no matter what. However if you cut weight by eating slightly less and exercising in a way that builds endurance i believe it is possible to weigh less and have better cardio.
Leg kicking and being more cautious in Round 1 isn't how Conor fights. He had to be helped to the back of the arena after his second fight was over with Nate. Conor was then on crutches after he was in the back.
So no, leg kicking and fighting the way he did against Nate in their second fight isn't his style of fighting. He knew he had to change something, or end up punching himself out and gassing, followed by getting finished again.
He was still the one doing the pressuring and countering, which is his style of fighting. just added leg kicking to his arsenal. It was not like he was circling around throwing leg kicks and then gassed out out of nowhere.
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Big_Rob_isback United States. Oct 22 2016 13:07. Posts 211
On October 22 2016 07:24 cariadon wrote:
I`d like to comment on the cardio issue. You can cut weight lots of ways. If you leave the bulk of it to the last minute it is going to be devastating no matter what. However if you cut weight by eating slightly less and exercising in a way that builds endurance i believe it is possible to weigh less and have better cardio.
This is fairly simple and true. More muscle mass makes you get tired quicker. Also, even worse, more mass that isn't muscle will make you get tired quicker too. Like Conor said, he has no ab definition at 170. Some of his extra mass definitely was not muscle.
Which is kind of weird. Since he s not a midget or anything. He s 1.75 so 70kgs ( 155lbs ) should be the place where he feels best in a matter of strength/cardio
170lbs -> 77-78kgs are supposed to be where he goes from optimal weight to a bit fat for his body type I guess
his frame is not really heavy set, he's got long legs and arms for 5'9. kind of short torso but not too short. i think his frame is "lighter" compared to bemuscled guys with the same height. btw these conor clones are popping up everywhere in the UFC it's kinda gross how they try to "act" like conor lol
How does everyone feel about Weidman -165 (Romero) and Alves -160 (Miller)? Thinking about betting those two alongside Thompson -185.
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Minsk United States. Oct 24 2016 12:02. Posts 1558
I like Romero for sure. I don't see any reason Weidman should have the edge over Romero, I think Romero should be the favorite. Just due to his athleticism and reaction speed. Hes a more natural atheltic fighter and Weidman is a good generic fighter with a good mindset and wrestling, but I don't see what edge hes going to get over Romero from that skillset.
I ended up being pretty indifferent about Alves after thinking thoroughly about it, because the odds and I can see Miller dominating him on the ground like 33% of the time. While I don't think Miller can really stand with him.
For me I've just always felt Weidman/Rockhold were a level above the rest of the division, even if it is often hyped as the big four with Rockhold/Weidman/Jacare/Romero. Certainly Romero is athletic but he is also 39 years old, got into MMA late, and has an absolute dog shit gas tank.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Oct 24 2016 16:14. Posts 7499
On October 22 2016 07:24 cariadon wrote:
I`d like to comment on the cardio issue. You can cut weight lots of ways. If you leave the bulk of it to the last minute it is going to be devastating no matter what. However if you cut weight by eating slightly less and exercising in a way that builds endurance i believe it is possible to weigh less and have better cardio.
Sure, but you realize he was slated to fight at 155 pounds 11 days before his first fight with Nate right? That was his LW weight, he didn't suddenly put on weight in 10 days for the 170 pound fight, he simply didn't have to cut much. Then he had 5 months and a 300k camp to try and improve his cardio and still gassed after 2 rounds.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Oct 24 2016 16:18. Posts 7499
On October 24 2016 10:28 Nazgul wrote:
How does everyone feel about Weidman -165 (Romero) and Alves -160 (Miller)? Thinking about betting those two alongside Thompson -185.
I like them but there is some variance with Weidman. Weidman at his best should definitely be a good bet at those odds. But he looked kind of small and terrible against Rockhold which is his only post USADA fight, plus he's had a ton of injuries which we don't know how badly they've affected them. Might be best to wait till weigh ins to see how he looks physically closer to the fight, dunno if sharp money will come in on him though and affect the odds.
He apparently did have a fractured foot about a month out from the Luke fight and struggled to train, so that could be the reason for why he looked bad. But with how often he's injured who knows if he's coming in healthy to this fight.
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PuertoRican United States. Oct 25 2016 03:03. Posts 13039
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"USADA strikes UFC 205, Lyman Good pulled for possible doping violation"
Hopefully they can find a replacement. Lyman vs. Belal was a fight I was looking forward to.
Romero seems like a terrible fighter to me, fantastic wrestler with shit cardio, Weidman is an amazing grappler so even if things go Romeros way he controls the 1st ground, gets some GnP and then collapses.
It should be a clear for Weidman unless he was doping hard before and now he is shit or something weird like that.
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PuertoRican United States. Oct 26 2016 06:58. Posts 13039
On October 25 2016 02:03 PuertoRican wrote:
"USADA strikes UFC 205, Lyman Good pulled for possible doping violation"
Hopefully they can find a replacement. Lyman vs. Belal was a fight I was looking forward to.
Vicente Luque vs. Belal Muhammad is the new match.
MW is such a shit division post USADA. Rockhold beats everyone but does have a chinny quality to him, Bisiping pillowfists, Romero, Weidman, all have diminished too. If wonderboy put on some muscle he could probably crush that division as well he is tall and long like Rockhard. I'm curious about what Jacare's shape is also, but he's brazilian so there's a good chance he was on some jesus juice as well.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Oct 26 2016 16:12. Posts 7499
On October 26 2016 04:23 Baalim wrote:
Romero seems like a terrible fighter to me, fantastic wrestler with shit cardio, Weidman is an amazing grappler so even if things go Romeros way he controls the 1st ground, gets some GnP and then collapses.
It should be a clear for Weidman unless he was doping hard before and now he is shit or something weird like that.
Not sure how you can say that. 7-0 in the UFC, wins over Brunson ( who's probably #5 or 6 best MW right now ) Kennedy, Machida, and Jacare. And he honestly doesn't use his wrestling all that much, most of those fights were won with his striking. He's the best athlete in UFC history almost certainly and has ridiculous power. Also most of his finishes come in the 3rd round so I wouldn't say he gasses all that much, but much of that is him being able to pace himself.
He's definitely a really good fighter, I just think Weidman is a great fighter who won't allow Romero to pace himself and will wear him down with pressure and use his massive reach advantage to box him up from the outside and maybe land something big coming in.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Oct 26 2016 16:27. Posts 7499
On October 26 2016 13:31 whamm! wrote:
MW is such a shit division post USADA. Rockhold beats everyone but does have a chinny quality to him, Bisiping pillowfists, Romero, Weidman, all have diminished too. If wonderboy put on some muscle he could probably crush that division as well he is tall and long like Rockhard. I'm curious about what Jacare's shape is also, but he's brazilian so there's a good chance he was on some jesus juice as well.
lol god you're so terrible.
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On October 26 2016 04:23 Baalim wrote:
Romero seems like a terrible fighter to me, fantastic wrestler with shit cardio, Weidman is an amazing grappler so even if things go Romeros way he controls the 1st ground, gets some GnP and then collapses.
It should be a clear for Weidman unless he was doping hard before and now he is shit or something weird like that.
Not sure how you can say that. 7-0 in the UFC, wins over Brunson ( who's probably #5 or 6 best MW right now ) Kennedy, Machida, and Jacare. And he honestly doesn't use his wrestling all that much, most of those fights were won with his striking. He's the best athlete in UFC history almost certainly and has ridiculous power. Also most of his finishes come in the 3rd round so I wouldn't say he gasses all that much, but much of that is him being able to pace himself.
He's definitely a really good fighter, I just think Weidman is a great fighter who won't allow Romero to pace himself and will wear him down with pressure and use his massive reach advantage to box him up from the outside and maybe land something big coming in.
His results does not match his skill imo, just look at how shitty his striking is, he is slow and has shit cardio despise the 3rd round finishes, the big athletic wrestler era is over and can only carry you so long, they still get these long winstreak but mostly because their opponents fight like idiots against their obvious holes like its happening with Romero, happened with Woodley, happened with Phil Davis etc.
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Minsk United States. Oct 31 2016 18:30. Posts 1558
On October 26 2016 04:23 Baalim wrote:
Romero seems like a terrible fighter to me, fantastic wrestler with shit cardio, Weidman is an amazing grappler so even if things go Romeros way he controls the 1st ground, gets some GnP and then collapses.
It should be a clear for Weidman unless he was doping hard before and now he is shit or something weird like that.
Not sure how you can say that. 7-0 in the UFC, wins over Brunson ( who's probably #5 or 6 best MW right now ) Kennedy, Machida, and Jacare. And he honestly doesn't use his wrestling all that much, most of those fights were won with his striking. He's the best athlete in UFC history almost certainly and has ridiculous power. Also most of his finishes come in the 3rd round so I wouldn't say he gasses all that much, but much of that is him being able to pace himself.
He's definitely a really good fighter, I just think Weidman is a great fighter who won't allow Romero to pace himself and will wear him down with pressure and use his massive reach advantage to box him up from the outside and maybe land something big coming in.
His results does not match his skill imo, just look at how shitty his striking is, he is slow and has shit cardio despise the 3rd round finishes, the big athletic wrestler era is over and can only carry you so long, they still get these long winstreak but mostly because their opponents fight like idiots against their obvious holes like its happening with Romero, happened with Woodley, happened with Phil Davis etc.
I think you're confusing that his style isn't the most clean or eloquent with his skills being low-level. I'm not positive though. Sometimes people with very brute low-refinement looking styles can look like that, where they look pretty raw, but its also just a viable style that looks like that. I feel he falls right in the middle of that where I can't say which one it is either, but it certainly could just be stylistic.
His results does not match his skill imo, just look at how shitty his striking is, he is SLOW
Great analysis, Romero indeed is very slow.
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 01 2016 18:26. Posts 13039
Romero isn't slow. Out of the two fighters, Weidman is the slow one.
Romero is a master at slowing down his fights and getting his opponents to fight the speed he wants them to; then he explodes on them.
Without explosiveness and the ability to fight fast when he wants to, Romero wouldn't have much going for him.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Nov 01 2016 19:42. Posts 7499
yea lol wtf Baal, I feel like you're talking about a different fighter. Romero is the quickest and most explosive MW ever and one of the most p4p.
I do think he's a lil overhyped by some but you don't run through Kennedy, Machida, and nearly kill Jacare in the 1st while being a shitty MMA fighter with slow shitty striking lol.
I do agree he's got some holes in his game, mainly if he's forced to fight at a high pace he gasses and his wild striking leads to him getting clipped and hurt sometimes. Overall he's pretty beast though.
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Obviously Romero is one of the most athletic fighters in the UFC, but that GIF explains perfectly what I mean with slow
Look at all those useless motion, compare that ridiculous jumping knee that did very little to a short precise knee to the liver by Overeem, who is the slowest fighter? obviously Overeem yet he will deliver a more powerful shot in half the time of that knee.
Obviously romero will probalby beat all middleweight in a 100m dash, but that makes him explosive but not actually fast when striking.
If you have trained some boxing you will know that a quick jab isnt really about how fast your muscles can move, its about having absolutely no load-up, weight back and uncorking it with elbows low sholders tight.
Speed in striking is about no load up and efficiency of movement and under that terms Romero is slow as fuck, he is all over the place, he telegraphs everything, he is an insane machine with 90% friction and 10% action.
On November 02 2016 00:30 whamm! wrote:
what a clunky highlight real that is lol
It was posted to show his speed and I think it all shows what im talking about, sloppy shitty striking, what the fuck is with that full squat too lol, the point of feinting is to force your opponent to react and waste energy not that you waste more energy feinting than your opponent lol.
On November 01 2016 23:05 Baalim wrote:
Obviously Romero is one of the most athletic fighters in the UFC, but that GIF explains perfectly what I mean with slow
Look at all those useless motion, compare that ridiculous jumping knee that did very little to a short precise knee to the liver by Overeem, who is the slowest fighter? obviously Overeem yet he will deliver a more powerful shot in half the time of that knee.
Obviously romero will probalby beat all middleweight in a 100m dash, but that makes him explosive but not actually fast when striking.
If you have trained some boxing you will know that a quick jab isnt really about how fast your muscles can move, its about having absolutely no load-up, weight back and uncorking it with elbows low sholders tight.
Speed in striking is about no load up and efficiency of movement and under that terms Romero is slow as fuck, he is all over the place, he telegraphs everything, he is an insane machine with 90% friction and 10% action.
LOL. Another great analysis. So much gold in here. Keep them coming.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Nov 02 2016 17:50. Posts 7499
He does do a lot of weird useless movement when hes striking but I also think it helps to confuse the absolute shit out of his opponents and make him very unpredictable. Plus he also throws a lot of normal combinations and regularly beats good fighters to the punch, and when he lands its often devastating as fuck.
Regardless he's obviously very effective which at the end of the day is all that matters.
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On November 02 2016 16:50 Stim_Abuser wrote:
He does do a lot of weird useless movement when hes striking but I also think it helps to confuse the absolute shit out of his opponents and make him very unpredictable.
So did Keith Jardine but that didnt make him fast, and Jardine had set-ups with his weird movement, Romero is just spazzing all over the place with no specific plan just wasting his absurd athleticism.
His results are obviously great, and its not hard to side with a 12-1 guy who beat Machida and Jacaré yet here I am predicting that he will be exposed soon, you will see.
LOL. Another great analysis. So much gold in here. Keep them coming.
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If you disagree with what I said feel free to refute it, but dont be an asshole about it.
That is fair. Sorry for being an asshole, but you are posting some hilarious nonsense. Romero is probably the fastest middleweight in the division and yes athleticism converts into speed. Not saying his striking is really refined or any good, but to say that he is slow is embarrassing. You just need to look his last few fights, when he fought Tim Kennedy it looked that they operated in different speed and Kennedy biggest issue in this fight was dealing with that. Against Machida who is a very fast middleweight himself, Romero was faster in some exchanges and beating him to the punch.
Don't see the point arguing with you or refuting your claims, because it feels like I'll be talking to the wall . Just on the last page Stim_Abuser is giving you some explanation on Romero weird movement and striking and your response is bringing in some comical example with Keith Jardine.
So just because Jardine was doing weird stuff and was not fast, it also means that Romero is slow as well. What is the connection between the two things and wtf are you talking about?
Romero flaws have already been exposed multiple times. He has bad cardio, technically he is not very good and has bad striking defense. Weidman will probably beat him up, but if anything is certain it that he is not slow.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Nov 03 2016 16:24. Posts 7499
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LOL. Another great analysis. So much gold in here. Keep them coming.
Deleted my last post which was my typical response to aggression but I decided to take the high road this time.
If you disagree with what I said feel free to refute it, but dont be an asshole about it.
That is fair. Sorry for being an asshole, but you are posting some hilarious nonsense. Romero is probably the fastest middleweight in the division and yes athleticism converts into speed. Not saying his striking is really refined or any good, but to say that he is slow is embarrassing. You just need to look his last few fights, when he fought Tim Kennedy it looked that they operated in different speed and Kennedy biggest issue in this fight was dealing with that. Against Machida who is a very fast middleweight himself, Romero was faster in some exchanges and beating him to the punch.
Don't see the point arguing with you or refuting your claims, because it feels like I'll be talking to the wall . Just on the last page Stim_Abuser is giving you some explanation on Romero weird movement and striking and your response is bringing in some comical example with Keith Jardine.
So just because Jardine was doing weird stuff and was not fast, it also means that Romero is slow as well. What is the connection between the two things and wtf are you talking about?
Romero flaws have already been exposed multiple times. He has bad cardio, technically he is not very good and has bad striking defense. Weidman will probably beat him up, but if anything is certain it that he is not slow.
Ill rewatch his fights, I might have made up my mind too soon, but to reiterate what I mean is that speed in striking isnt just moving fast, its mostly about not loading up.
You can have very fast arms but if you pull the jab before throwing it you wont hit anything and to me thats how Romero fights, strong yet telegraphed and long shots with a lot of waste movement, thats probably the reason why he gases early besides his muscle mass.
roidmero is just overhyped. and of course USADA is going to affect his "gifts" just like with everybody else all of a sudden
USADA testing is far superior than olympic testing, he's a beast wrestler but this is high level MMA and Weidman is no clown
Kennedy, also caught on roids almost got him with that "sitting down incident". I would like to see how he fights vs Weidman
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 07 2016 02:30. Posts 13039
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 07 2016 02:46. Posts 13039
Random thoughts about Wonderboy vs. Woodley
The fight I keep thinking about most is Wonderboy vs. Woodley.
I expected Woodley's cardio to be new and improved for his last fight against Lawler, and he ended up finishing him fast, so it was never tested.
Woodley also basically left team ATT in Florida for his last fight and trained at Roufusport with Duke Roufus/Pettis brothers/etc. and brought his main coach with him from ATT. Although, Woodley owns an ATT gym somewhere (I think Atlanta), and he never officially left ATT in Florida cuz he will always be a part of the family since he owns one of their gyms.
This won't be like Wonderboy vs. Hendricks. Woodley won't do the same shit. Woodley is wayyyyy faster, stronger, closes the distance much faster, and hits much harder than Johny Hendricks. Woodley's explosiveness is also better than Hendricks', which means he'll present different take downs to Wonderboy.
We also don't know how good Wonderboy's cardio is against someone who can control him against the cage and on the ground. He needs a lot of space to kick, and his punches aren't super technical and he lacks the pop in his hands for 1-punch KOs.
Another big factor is confidence. Both guys are very confident, but Woodley is in the zone right now, and he's mentally superior and is willing to take the fight wherever to win. Wonderboy can only hope to avoid the TD and not get KO`ed.
Since Wonderboy is mostly a kicker, and Tyron has a stance that allows him to move away and move in real fast and has the speed in his feet and hands and power, I think this will end up being a bad MU for Wonderboy.
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jvilla777 Australia. Nov 07 2016 05:22. Posts 1348
Woodley vs McDonald... Remember?
longple: ur missing the point! this is an attempt to get away from the bumhuntmentality!
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 07 2016 06:35. Posts 13039
On November 07 2016 04:22 jvilla777 wrote:
Woodley vs McDonald... Remember?
Yes, I remember Woodley vs. MacDonald very clearly, but Wonderboy and MacDonald don't fight anything alike.
Wonderboy isn't high level with his hands, and he doesn't possess a good jab. MacDonald possesses an elite jab, which is what he beat Woodley with.
PuertoRican United States. Nov 07 2016 18:11. Posts 13039
On November 07 2016 15:29 Spitfiree wrote:
All but one picked Alvarez > McGregor .. .what?
I never really take picks serious from professional fighters. They're always biased in some way.
For example, a lot of fighters who pick Alvarez to win (in general, not just in this video) are either from the East Coast, have a wrestling background, and/or don't like Conor for various reasons.
• Wonderboy was unbiased and accurate in his assessment (he didn't pick a winner)
• Stevie Ray (from Scotland) picked Conor
• TJ Laramie had the best assessment, imo. He sees it how I see it (picked Conor)
• Tim Johnson (a wrestler) clearly isn't familiar with either guy (he didn't pick a winner)
• Jesse Ronson thinks Conor will be able to land, but not KO Alvarez (he picks Alvarez by decision)
• Peter and Max Barrett (no idea who they are) pick Alvarez
• Kevin Lee (a wrestler) picks Alvarez
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Minsk United States. Nov 08 2016 06:42. Posts 1558
I have decided to consider deciding that Weidman might expose Romero. Hes good at that. It might be his path to victory.
Still keeping my Romero bet, the odds were good.
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iakim322 United States. Nov 08 2016 21:04. Posts 1335
On November 07 2016 04:22 jvilla777 wrote:
Woodley vs McDonald... Remember?
Unrelated comparison if there ever was one. Rooting for Thompson pretty hard but I agree with the notion that Woodley's being underrated in this spot. Rory definitely does control range better with his hands. Along with his general mentality/style, was able to pick and choose when he'd be even a little exposed to Woodley's counter explosions. As good as he is with kicking, Thompson can't pull his leg back from a kick as fast to reset as Rory did with his jab. Any little bit more room/time to counter is enough to threaten for someone as athletic as Woodley. Think Woodley is going to surprise Thompson early on with how much faster he is than Thompson's typical opponent. Hopefully Thompson stays patient and starts to pick him apart
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iakim322 United States. Nov 08 2016 21:06. Posts 1335
On November 07 2016 15:29 Spitfiree wrote:
All but one picked Alvarez > McGregor .. .what?
A generality but one based in a lot of truth: Lots of Conor's peers are jealous as fuck and won't bring themselves to pick him in public
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 08 2016 21:27. Posts 13039
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Big_Rob_isback United States. Nov 09 2016 08:08. Posts 211
Dude is it just me or does woodley look like he is a lhw? He looks scary as fk and like he will rip wonderboy in half after his fight with lawler.
On November 07 2016 01:46 PuertoRican wrote: Random thoughts about Wonderboy vs. Woodley
The fight I keep thinking about most is Wonderboy vs. Woodley.
I expected Woodley's cardio to be new and improved for his last fight against Lawler, and he ended up finishing him fast, so it was never tested.
Woodley also basically left team ATT in Florida for his last fight and trained at Roufusport with Duke Roufus/Pettis brothers/etc. and brought his main coach with him from ATT. Although, Woodley owns an ATT gym somewhere (I think Atlanta), and he never officially left ATT in Florida cuz he will always be a part of the family since he owns one of their gyms.
This won't be like Wonderboy vs. Hendricks. Woodley won't do the same shit. Woodley is wayyyyy faster, stronger, closes the distance much faster, and hits much harder than Johny Hendricks. Woodley's explosiveness is also better than Hendricks', which means he'll present different take downs to Wonderboy.
We also don't know how good Wonderboy's cardio is against someone who can control him against the cage and on the ground. He needs a lot of space to kick, and his punches aren't super technical and he lacks the pop in his hands for 1-punch KOs.
Another big factor is confidence. Both guys are very confident, but Woodley is in the zone right now, and he's mentally superior and is willing to take the fight wherever to win. Wonderboy can only hope to avoid the TD and not get KO`ed.
Since Wonderboy is mostly a kicker, and Tyron has a stance that allows him to move away and move in real fast and has the speed in his feet and hands and power, I think this will end up being a bad MU for Wonderboy.
Rory controlled Woodley mostly by good distance control but also by blocking punches with his elbows and stiff arming him with the left all the time, Wonderboy doesnt do that, as most karatekas he has very fast linear movement, so he gets out and in range extremely fast, however Woodleys very often does a stupid attack where he leaps-runs forward throwing the right, usually this shitty punch accomplishes nothing against a good striker which Wonderboy is but Wonderboys defense is leaping back super fast so he might leap back and still be in perfect reach for Woodleys silly punch.
I think Wonderboy destroys Woodley unless Woodley catches him with that punch... if that happens you can vow to me as the new LP.nets official Jack Slack.
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 09 2016 09:01. Posts 13039
On November 09 2016 07:08 Big_Rob_isback wrote:
Dude is it just me or does woodley look like he is a lhw? He looks scary as fk and like he will rip wonderboy in half after his fight with lawler.
Woodley is the shortest guy in the division; his muscles make him look much bigger than he actually is.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Nov 09 2016 19:05. Posts 7499
On November 07 2016 01:46 PuertoRican wrote: Random thoughts about Wonderboy vs. Woodley
The fight I keep thinking about most is Wonderboy vs. Woodley.
I expected Woodley's cardio to be new and improved for his last fight against Lawler, and he ended up finishing him fast, so it was never tested.
Woodley also basically left team ATT in Florida for his last fight and trained at Roufusport with Duke Roufus/Pettis brothers/etc. and brought his main coach with him from ATT. Although, Woodley owns an ATT gym somewhere (I think Atlanta), and he never officially left ATT in Florida cuz he will always be a part of the family since he owns one of their gyms.
This won't be like Wonderboy vs. Hendricks. Woodley won't do the same shit. Woodley is wayyyyy faster, stronger, closes the distance much faster, and hits much harder than Johny Hendricks. Woodley's explosiveness is also better than Hendricks', which means he'll present different take downs to Wonderboy.
We also don't know how good Wonderboy's cardio is against someone who can control him against the cage and on the ground. He needs a lot of space to kick, and his punches aren't super technical and he lacks the pop in his hands for 1-punch KOs.
Another big factor is confidence. Both guys are very confident, but Woodley is in the zone right now, and he's mentally superior and is willing to take the fight wherever to win. Wonderboy can only hope to avoid the TD and not get KO`ed.
Since Wonderboy is mostly a kicker, and Tyron has a stance that allows him to move away and move in real fast and has the speed in his feet and hands and power, I think this will end up being a bad MU for Wonderboy.
From what I've seen Woodley is absolutely horrible at closing the distance outside of throwing his right hand. He couldn't do shit to Shields/Rory standing because they threw out jabs. People seem to forget that prior to knocking out a post USADA Lawler ( who was pretty much confirmed on steroids at 189 against Rory and look much different physically against Woodley ) who had been in a ton of wars and almost KO'd a few times and should have lost to Condit/Hendricks, Woodley had a super unimpressive showing against a completely drained Gastelum. It's definitely possible he's improved a ton since then, but I don't think theres any evidence to support it. I also think Roufus Sport is likely a much worse gym than ATT. I actually think Roufus sport is a shit gym, and Pettis wins usually because of his talent. I mean how many times have we seen Pettis lose to the same strategy and he hasn't done shit to improve it. I don't think I've ever seen anyone come out of that gym and have a good game plan or strategy etc.
Woodley has a deadly right hand for offense but besides that he's extremely limited. People keep talking about his wrestling, who has he beat with his wrestling? He hasn't beat anyone with it since like Jordain Mein in strikeforce lol. He was like 2/14 in takedowns on Paul Daley. And his top game is really awful.
My predictions for everything in 2016 have sucked tho so prob bet the house on Woodley
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Woodley likes to backs himself up against the cage and explode from there, when his opponents pressure him either with his right hand or a takedown. I don't think that is going to work very well against Wonderboy. Also his striking arsenal is very limited, he is just sprinting forward with his right hand and is relies on his speed and athleticism. He has nice leg kicks also but I find it very hard to believe he is going to have success standing with Thompson who is just unreal and has so much experience kickboxing.
Stephen Thompson has struggled with some pressure in the past but I don't think Woodley is a pressure fighter that is going to pose him problems. He usually backs himself up as said above and also does not have the cardio to grind out Wonderboy against the fence. Also worth noting that Thompson just completely demolished the southpaw version of Woodley in Johny Hendricks, he outwrestled Ellenberger and beat up pretty convincingly Rory, who is pretty good in cutting off the ring himself and could not crowd Thompson at all in their fight.
All in all I think Woodley for sure can land that right hand and KO Wonderboy, but this is very unlikely. If he can't do it in the 1st round, he is going to be with his back against the fence as usual and is going to be picked apart and most likely TKO'd.
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 09 2016 21:46. Posts 13039
On November 07 2016 01:46 PuertoRican wrote: Random thoughts about Wonderboy vs. Woodley
The fight I keep thinking about most is Wonderboy vs. Woodley.
I expected Woodley's cardio to be new and improved for his last fight against Lawler, and he ended up finishing him fast, so it was never tested.
Woodley also basically left team ATT in Florida for his last fight and trained at Roufusport with Duke Roufus/Pettis brothers/etc. and brought his main coach with him from ATT. Although, Woodley owns an ATT gym somewhere (I think Atlanta), and he never officially left ATT in Florida cuz he will always be a part of the family since he owns one of their gyms.
This won't be like Wonderboy vs. Hendricks. Woodley won't do the same shit. Woodley is wayyyyy faster, stronger, closes the distance much faster, and hits much harder than Johny Hendricks. Woodley's explosiveness is also better than Hendricks', which means he'll present different take downs to Wonderboy.
We also don't know how good Wonderboy's cardio is against someone who can control him against the cage and on the ground. He needs a lot of space to kick, and his punches aren't super technical and he lacks the pop in his hands for 1-punch KOs.
Another big factor is confidence. Both guys are very confident, but Woodley is in the zone right now, and he's mentally superior and is willing to take the fight wherever to win. Wonderboy can only hope to avoid the TD and not get KO`ed.
Since Wonderboy is mostly a kicker, and Tyron has a stance that allows him to move away and move in real fast and has the speed in his feet and hands and power, I think this will end up being a bad MU for Wonderboy.
From what I've seen Woodley is absolutely horrible at closing the distance outside of throwing his right hand. He couldn't do shit to Shields/Rory standing because they threw out jabs. People seem to forget that prior to knocking out a post USADA Lawler ( who was pretty much confirmed on steroids at 189 against Rory and look much different physically against Woodley ) who had been in a ton of wars and almost KO'd a few times and should have lost to Condit/Hendricks, Woodley had a super unimpressive showing against a completely drained Gastelum. It's definitely possible he's improved a ton since then, but I don't think theres any evidence to support it. I also think Roufus Sport is likely a much worse gym than ATT. I actually think Roufus sport is a shit gym, and Pettis wins usually because of his talent. I mean how many times have we seen Pettis lose to the same strategy and he hasn't done shit to improve it. I don't think I've ever seen anyone come out of that gym and have a good game plan or strategy etc.
Woodley has a deadly right hand for offense but besides that he's extremely limited. People keep talking about his wrestling, who has he beat with his wrestling? He hasn't beat anyone with it since like Jordain Mein in strikeforce lol. He was like 2/14 in takedowns on Paul Daley. And his top game is really awful.
My predictions for everything in 2016 have sucked tho so prob bet the house on Woodley
Probably cuz you're biased as fuck.
Woodley is good at closing the distance, his stance + speed + explosiveness is crazy.
Regarding his wrestling, he has only gotten 3 take downs in the UFC, and it was when he fought Carlos Condit. He hasn't used his wrestling much in the UFC because he hasn't had to use it.
I'm still not 100% who I think will win the fight yet, but if you think Woodley won't be able to close the distance against Wonderboy, you're gonna be surprised when he does so.
Regarding the fight against Shields, Woodley owned Shields with leg kicks, which is a major underrated weapon of his that I expect him to use against Wonderboy. Woodley isn't an amazing leg kicker, it's the speed + weight + power he puts into the kicks that makes them deadly, as well as the placement (he always aims for the side of the kneecap).
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Stim_Abuser United States. Nov 09 2016 21:47. Posts 7499
Has Stephen Thompson ever struggled with anyone besides Matt Brown? Because that fight was literally 2 years into his MMA career and he was training out of some bum fuck gym in north carolina. Since then he's been training with Weidman and company giving him some of the very best grappling training you can get I'd say and he's looked unstoppable. He hasn't been taken down a single time that fight and has in fact taken down several guys, including Rory.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Nov 09 2016 21:53. Posts 7499
On November 07 2016 01:46 PuertoRican wrote: Random thoughts about Wonderboy vs. Woodley
The fight I keep thinking about most is Wonderboy vs. Woodley.
I expected Woodley's cardio to be new and improved for his last fight against Lawler, and he ended up finishing him fast, so it was never tested.
Woodley also basically left team ATT in Florida for his last fight and trained at Roufusport with Duke Roufus/Pettis brothers/etc. and brought his main coach with him from ATT. Although, Woodley owns an ATT gym somewhere (I think Atlanta), and he never officially left ATT in Florida cuz he will always be a part of the family since he owns one of their gyms.
This won't be like Wonderboy vs. Hendricks. Woodley won't do the same shit. Woodley is wayyyyy faster, stronger, closes the distance much faster, and hits much harder than Johny Hendricks. Woodley's explosiveness is also better than Hendricks', which means he'll present different take downs to Wonderboy.
We also don't know how good Wonderboy's cardio is against someone who can control him against the cage and on the ground. He needs a lot of space to kick, and his punches aren't super technical and he lacks the pop in his hands for 1-punch KOs.
Another big factor is confidence. Both guys are very confident, but Woodley is in the zone right now, and he's mentally superior and is willing to take the fight wherever to win. Wonderboy can only hope to avoid the TD and not get KO`ed.
Since Wonderboy is mostly a kicker, and Tyron has a stance that allows him to move away and move in real fast and has the speed in his feet and hands and power, I think this will end up being a bad MU for Wonderboy.
From what I've seen Woodley is absolutely horrible at closing the distance outside of throwing his right hand. He couldn't do shit to Shields/Rory standing because they threw out jabs. People seem to forget that prior to knocking out a post USADA Lawler ( who was pretty much confirmed on steroids at 189 against Rory and look much different physically against Woodley ) who had been in a ton of wars and almost KO'd a few times and should have lost to Condit/Hendricks, Woodley had a super unimpressive showing against a completely drained Gastelum. It's definitely possible he's improved a ton since then, but I don't think theres any evidence to support it. I also think Roufus Sport is likely a much worse gym than ATT. I actually think Roufus sport is a shit gym, and Pettis wins usually because of his talent. I mean how many times have we seen Pettis lose to the same strategy and he hasn't done shit to improve it. I don't think I've ever seen anyone come out of that gym and have a good game plan or strategy etc.
Woodley has a deadly right hand for offense but besides that he's extremely limited. People keep talking about his wrestling, who has he beat with his wrestling? He hasn't beat anyone with it since like Jordain Mein in strikeforce lol. He was like 2/14 in takedowns on Paul Daley. And his top game is really awful.
My predictions for everything in 2016 have sucked tho so prob bet the house on Woodley
Probably cuz you're biased as fuck.
Woodley is good at closing the distance, his stance + speed + explosiveness is crazy.
Regarding his wrestling, he has only gotten 3 take downs in the UFC, and it was when he fought Carlos Condit. He hasn't used his wrestling much in the UFC because he hasn't had to use it.
I'm still not 100% who I think will win the fight yet, but if you think Woodley won't be able to close the distance against Wonderboy, you're gonna be surprised when he does so.
Regarding the fight against Shields, Woodley owned Shields with leg kicks, which is a major underrated weapon of his that I expect him to use against Wonderboy. Woodley isn't an amazing leg kicker, it's the speed + weight + power he puts into the kicks that makes them deadly, as well as the placement (he always aims for the side of the kneecap).
Lets be fair, 2016 has been a crazy as fuck year with a ton of upsets nobody saw coming. That said I am biased.
And Woodley hasn't had to use his wrestling? I disagree because if he had this secret awesome wrestling maybe he wouldn't have gotten embarrassed by Rory, lost to Shields, and wrecked by Mardquart. Actually he did try to take down Rory & Mardquart and failed.
And with Condit, he did get some takedowns but Condit got right back up pretty easily and absorbed zero damage. So I wouldn't say that's a great showing of his ability to win fights with wrestling. Although I guess he kind of did since the freak injury came off a takedown ;o.
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 09 2016 23:12. Posts 13039
On November 09 2016 20:47 Stim_Abuser wrote:
Has Stephen Thompson ever struggled with anyone besides Matt Brown? Because that fight was literally 2 years into his MMA career and he was training out of some bum fuck gym in north carolina. Since then he's been training with Weidman and company giving him some of the very best grappling training you can get I'd say and he's looked unstoppable. He hasn't been taken down a single time that fight and has in fact taken down several guys, including Rory.
Struggled is a vague term. He got dropped by Ellenberger, but recovered well and beat his ass.
Wonderboy has looked impressive, but has also beat everyone he was "expected" to beat during the time he fought them, aside from Rory, which was a coin flip.
After his loss to Matt Brown, he fought 5 strikers in a row until he reached a wrestler + boxer in Johny Hendricks, followed by Rory. Hendricks complained that he was too drained when he entered the octagon, which was why he looked extra small in the cage and couldn't close the distance properly and secure a take down (I expected him to lose even at his best). Also, everyone knows Hendricks hit a downward slope after his robber loss to GSP; his performances are slightly worse each time, and he doesn't strike the same anymore, which is why he doesn't knock anyone out these days. Regarding Rory, it was a toss up pre-fight, but he was coming off of an 11 month break from fighting because he was in that war with Lawler in his previous fight where his nose was shattered in the 5th round and he couldn't see, which is why he dropped down and essentially gave up (he would've won a decision if he lasted 3 more minutes). When Rory fought Wonderboy, his nose got broken again. Rory is now with Bellator and won't fight until 2017 because his nose is still fucked up and is just hoping it will heal after taking several months off, but his nose will always be a problem going forward, which is why I will bet against him when he fights Koreshkov (Koreshkov is better, imo).
p.s. Hendricks said he's going to retire if he loses his next fight, which is against Neil Magny at UFC 207 on December 30.
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 10 2016 01:44. Posts 13039
Think you guys are overestimating Woodley, he seemed improved against Lawler - true, but 2min fight doesn't give much info. His previous fight against Gastelum was terrible, felt like Gastelum did not give 100% and thats why he lost to a split. He s lost to McDonald previously as well, which probably is too far away to matter.
Only way I see him win is duplicating the fight against Lawler, except I really have no clue how will he be able to close the distance considering his reach and speed.
PR why do you think that he can close the distance easily? Especially against someone like Thompson that has a super disciplined style and wouldn't overextend or lose his cool and keeps his distance/reach mostly perfect
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handbanana21 United States. Nov 10 2016 10:38. Posts 3037
Wonderboy wont stand in the pocket with woodley, he will gauge the distance and pick him apart imo. Looking for a finish in 4th round when woodleys hands really start to drop
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Big_Rob_isback United States. Nov 10 2016 21:41. Posts 211
On November 10 2016 09:38 handbanana21 wrote:
Wonderboy wont stand in the pocket with woodley, he will gauge the distance and pick him apart imo. Looking for a finish in 4th round when woodleys hands really start to drop
In that free fight video vs Jake Ellenberger Thompson got popped pretty hard with a stiff punch early in the first round that rocked him a bit. That really worries me, because he absolutely can't afford that kind of mistake this match.
Also mad props to Wonderboy for waking up with this melody, I dont know if it was just for the clip or he actually wakes up with it, but that wake up alarm makes me wanna punch newborn babies
Also was about time that obviously fake friendliness between the polish girls fall.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Nov 10 2016 22:38. Posts 7499
What an embarrassing pre fight presser from both Conor and Eddie smh. Conor just using the same old schtick and lines he's been using for awhile now as well.
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woodley clips lawler now suddenly he's cain velasquez lol
you are buying into his whole "conor" shtick way too much. id like to see him fight Lawler again if anything, just like with how JDS clipped Cain in their first fight and got mauled in the next 2
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soberstone United States. Nov 11 2016 03:16. Posts 2662
Just cashed a fat bet from back when I was betting major loot and decided to throw a decent chunk on "Anybody but Clinton" @ +110 before the primaries.
Just in time for UFC 205.YES!!!!
Ready to go hard for this card.
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soberstone United States. Nov 11 2016 03:29. Posts 2662
I just don't see Woodley as enough of a diverse or pressure oriented fighter to really cause problems over the course of 5 rounds.... is Wonderboy really the type to get caught by that right hand?
Think about how hard it is to make Wonderboy make a mistake, and then think about how for most of Woodley's career he's just backed up against the cage and waited to either shoot under an opponents strikes or fake the shot and unload the right. Than he goes out and starches Lawler in the one way we already knew was totally how you would expect him to beat Lawler.
I just don't see it.
Will he look as bad as USADA Hendricks? Fuck no.
Will he likely time a couple of good chances and put a scare into Wonderboy early? ZPossible.
Will that be enough? Doubt it.
Wonderboy late KO or Decision after taking a full 8-10 minutes to get his timing, range, and Woodley's explosion-threat lowered is my pick.
On November 11 2016 01:05 whamm! wrote:
woodley clips lawler now suddenly he's cain velasquez lol
you are buying into his whole "conor" shtick way too much. id like to see him fight Lawler again if anything, just like with how JDS clipped Cain in their first fight and got mauled in the next 2
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 11 2016 17:39. Posts 13039
PuertoRican United States. Nov 11 2016 21:42. Posts 13039
"Embedded Ep.5 : One interesting Tidbit from Joanna in Polish. She says to Karolina, "I've heard you've been sick this week with some kind of bacteria, good luck with that." Usually that would mean something along the lines of food poisoning when you use the word "bacteria" in Polish, something that's upsetting your stomach etc.
They conveniently didn't caption that part."
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Eddie Alvarez (154.6) vs. Conor McGregor (154.4) – for lightweight title
Tyron Woodley (169.8) vs. Stephen Thompson (169) – for welterweight title
Joanna Jedrzejczyk (114.4) vs. Karolina Kowalkiewicz (114.4) – for strawweight title
Yoel Romero (185.6) vs. Chris Weidman (185.8)
Donald Cerrone (170.4)+ vs. Kelvin Gastelum (n/a)+
Raquel Pennington (135.8) vs. Miesha Tate (135.6)
Frankie Edgar (145.4) vs. Jeremy Stephens (145.8)
Michael Johnson (155.8) vs. Khabib Nurmagomedov (155.8)
Tim Boetsch (185.4) vs. Rafael Natal (185.4)
Vicente Luque (170.6) vs. Belal Muhammad (170)
Thiago Alves (162.6)* vs. Jim Miller (157.6)* – 163-pound catchweight
Liz Carmouche (134.8) vs. Katlyn Chookagian (135)
* – Alves missed the 156-pound limit and was fined 20 percent of his purse. Because the commission required them to be within five pounds of each other, Miller added weight to make the bout with Alves official. Miller wasn’t fined, and Alves can weigh no more than 173 pounds on fight night for what is now a 163-pound catchweight bout.
+ – Fight is off after Gastelum opted not to weigh in
Frankie (only chance for jeremy is KO and I dont think that happens with Edgar) + Khabib (Is far superior and Michaels TDD is bad) + Joanna (Karolina is overrated IMO) + Mcgregor (I think he will KO eddie within two rounds)
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 12 2016 19:18. Posts 13039
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 12 2016 22:36. Posts 13039
My final picks:
• McGregor > Alvarez
• Woodley > Thompson
• JJ > KK
• Romero > Weidman
• Pennington > Tate
• Edgar > Stephens
• Nurmagomedov > Johnson
• Natal > Boetsch
• Miller > Alves
• Luque > Muhammad
• Chookagian > Carmouche
Eddie Alvarez vs Conor McGregor +118 $50.00
Stephen Thompson vs Tyron Woodley -200 $400.00
Chris Weidman vs Yoel Romero -186 $1037.88
Frankie Edgar vs Jeremy Stephens -315 $992.25
Thiago Alves vs Jim Miller -154 $711.48
Honestly I can't say I've followed MMA as much as I should to be making these bets. Going a bit with gut-feel here. Weidman/Edgar/Alves need to do it.
I want to watch a reliable HD stream, but can't seem to be able to buy one through the UFC site (I'm in Poland). What gives?
Peace of mind cant be bought.
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 13 2016 01:57. Posts 13039
Great performance from Miller. He fought smart.
Good job by Alves on the ground. I didn't know his defensive grappling was so good. I expected Miller to rape him hard on the ground.
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 13 2016 02:02. Posts 13039
On November 13 2016 00:51 tomson wrote:
I want to watch a reliable HD stream, but can't seem to be able to buy one through the UFC site (I'm in Poland). What gives?
The Fight Pass fights are over now. The next 4 fights are on free TV in America, followed by 5 PPV fights.
I know Fight Pass is blocked in certain countries. Not sure which ones.
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 13 2016 02:08. Posts 13039
On November 13 2016 00:51 tomson wrote:
I want to watch a reliable HD stream, but can't seem to be able to buy one through the UFC site (I'm in Poland). What gives?
Try this download acestream open it go to media / open ace stream content
That knee stevens landed after the headkick... was it legal?
UFC has the clip on twitter.. looks clearly illegal to me
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 13 2016 03:58. Posts 13039
On November 13 2016 02:51 ERASA wrote:
That knee stevens landed after the headkick... was it legal?
UFC has the clip on twitter.. looks clearly illegal to me
Yeah, looked illegal. The referee couldn't see it from his angle, though.
Starting January 2017, all 4 points of a human body have to be touching the ground in order to be considered a grounded opponent. By 4 points, I mean the 2 hands and 2 knees. No more of this one hand or one finger touching the ground to avoid knees to the head while clinched against the cage.
On November 13 2016 00:51 tomson wrote:
I want to watch a reliable HD stream, but can't seem to be able to buy one through the UFC site (I'm in Poland). What gives?
Try this download acestream open it go to media / open ace stream content
And again he had a few shady moments in that fight, ohh well, that knee was sick
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 13 2016 05:22. Posts 13039
On November 13 2016 04:17 Raidern wrote:
how long before romero gets caught? ...
He already got "caught" earlier this year or late last year, but he said it was a tainted supplement, and USADA investigated the same bath of stuff he was taking and it was indeed tainted, so Romero didn't get in trouble. Romero was the first person to use the "tainted" excuse since USADA came in.
Rekrul is a newb
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 13 2016 06:06. Posts 13039
Clean sweep for Joanna Champion.
Let's see if she announces she is going on a break from fighting to have a baby. She mentioned something about it earlier this week.
Conor's girlfriend is pregnant, and he might go on a break from fighting after UFC 205.
Woodley get's booed because of the way he fought probably. He had the fingerprint of what to do in the first round, and decided to do the same shit he did vs Macdonald.
well guess what happend last time mcgregor changed entrance music... i was so lookng forward to hypnotize :/
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NMcNasty United States. Nov 13 2016 07:15. Posts 2039
On November 13 2016 06:04 Montrachet wrote:
Woodley get's booed because of the way he fought probably. He had the fingerprint of what to do in the first round, and decided to do the same shit he did vs Macdonald.
I think a lot of people just don't like awarding 2 point rounds so they had it 48-47 wonder boy.
Ohh man that post fight interview... there is gonna be trouble
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NotSorry United States. Nov 13 2016 07:43. Posts 2603
Perfect execution of his reach advantage you see Eddie's punch miss Conor's chin by barely an inch then gets countered hard.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men.
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 13 2016 07:49. Posts 13039
On November 13 2016 06:42 ERASA wrote:
Ohh man that post fight interview... there is gonna be trouble
WME-IMG will do fookin nuttin!
Conor is the biggest and only big payday they have right now, especially with Rousey coming back in December and will probably lose. Rousey also said she's near retirement.
jvilla777 Australia. Nov 13 2016 08:01. Posts 1348
Yessssss!!!!!
longple: ur missing the point! this is an attempt to get away from the bumhuntmentality!
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 13 2016 08:05. Posts 13039
First off, let me say that this was the best result from a UFC pay-per-view event that I've had on DraftKings. However, Tyron Woodley got fucking robbed tonight of a Win, and was given a Draw instead. Woodley being robbed meant that I went from tying with 26 other people for 2nd place in a $33 event on DK ($7,500 prize), to tying for 15th place ($750 prize).
Woodley won Rounds 1-2-4. Round 2 was the close round, but Woodley landed 4 significant strikes and had Wonderboy against the cage for 1 minute (cage control), while Wonderboy landed 6 significant strikes in that round. Neither guy seriously damaged the other guy in Round 2. If 2 of the judges were more competent, they'd see what the 1 other judge saw.
Anyway, I was so fucking in the zone tonight with my picks, aside from Tim Boetsch over Rafael Natal. Granted, Natal fought weird, so that sucks. I expected Natal to win via decision with a slight chance of submission, while Boetsch only had the option for a knockout, which he got.
Hopefully my good selection of picks continues with the new DraftKings rules (6 fighters instead of 5), and I own the next 2 PPV cards in December, which are:
alvarez should have went for the humble route than try to play with conor in his own game.
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Big_Rob_isback United States. Nov 13 2016 10:34. Posts 211
On November 13 2016 08:52 lucky331 wrote:
alvarez should have went for the humble route than try to play with conor in his own game.
Alvarez didn't lose because of trying to fight a certain style. He tried for takedowns and got embarrassed 3 times because they looked so bad. Conor had a 5 inch reach advantage, and when he has a decent reach advantage he is pretty unstoppable. That is why Diaz is is hardest competition, because Diaz has a reach advantage over Conor, which is pretty crazy considering Conor has a huge 74 inch reach.
Lets be real, Alvarez got dropped 3 times round 1, he was too heavy on his feet already, there s no way Conor would let him land a takedown after that.
On November 13 2016 07:05 PuertoRican wrote:
However, Tyron Woodley got fucking robbed tonight of a Win, and was given a Draw instead. Woodley being robbed meant that I went from tying with 26 other people for 2nd place in a $33 event on DK ($7,500 prize), to tying for 15th place ($750 prize).
Woodley won Rounds 1-2-4. Round 2 was the close round, but Woodley landed 4 significant strikes and had Wonderboy against the cage for 1 minute (cage control), while Wonderboy landed 6 significant strikes in that round. Neither guy seriously damaged the other guy in Round 2. If 2 of the judges were more competent, they'd see what the 1 other judge saw.
I thought it was a pretty clear draw. Round 2 was convincing for Wonderboy,imo and all the judges scored it the same. The fight was pretty insane, how Thompson survived that 4th round, I don't know. Tough as nails. Actually I don't know wtf was this judge that scored the 3rd round for Woodley, was thinking.
Mcgregor should ask for bisping and get three titles hehe
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[GiTM]-Ace United States. Nov 13 2016 14:09. Posts 1585
I thought wonderboy won 2,3, and 5. I do feel like woodley did significant more damage in the fight and anyone just looking at it overall would say he won the fight.
OOOOO shit i didnt watch the post fight interview with Khabib, since i downloaded the event and only saw the fights. I really, really, really want him to get a match with Conor. Its gonna be so fucking good. I really hope the UFC doesn't cut him off, he did set up a potential marketing blast off with that interview as well. Those two are definitely the best in the division with the striker vs grappler match up gonna be so nice
I love how he didn't even think about Alvarez having a shot winning too :D
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 13 2016 20:57. Posts 13039
The 1st judge scorecard is comically bad. How do you give Woodley the 3rd round, lol. If the criteria for scoring fights is damage, obviously T-wood wins this fight, but the judging criteria is scoring the rounds and it is pretty clear draw or Wonderboy win. 4th round is debatable, even though Thompson got mauled at one point and was almost finished, he still controlled the action up until that point and finished the last minute on top throwing shots at Tyrone. So you might give this one 10--9 or 10-8, it is fine either way,imo.
Love Khabib, what a ferocious monster. He is a nightmare match up for Conor ( and for everyone else in LW div for that matter,lol) and I don't think that they are going to make this fight right now even though it is going to be huge. Ferguson is also interesting match up, but he got dropped couple times against Lando Vannata, not long ago. He is a tough but also very hitable, so he will be in trouble against Mcgregor and most likely will get pummeled in the opening rounds. So many great match ups at LW, hope they don't go with Diaz trilogy as there are more interesting ones, but won't complain if they do, also.
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 13 2016 22:55. Posts 13039
On November 13 2016 08:52 lucky331 wrote:
alvarez should have went for the humble route than try to play with conor in his own game.
Alvarez didn't lose because of trying to fight a certain style. He tried for takedowns and got embarrassed 3 times because they looked so bad. Conor had a 5 inch reach advantage, and when he has a decent reach advantage he is pretty unstoppable. That is why Diaz is is hardest competition, because Diaz has a reach advantage over Conor, which is pretty crazy considering Conor has a huge 74 inch reach.
i dont mean that. i meant the way alvarez acted in press conferences and in public before the fight. now he's home with his family feeling stupid and in a way, used.
Cerrone next, I want to see some more stand up. Khabib's not tapped the Russians behind him and Ferguson is still at "who the fuck is that guy" level, nobody cares about his big mouth until he beats someone in the top 5. Nate will always be there, probably if Conor cleans up LW or takes a loss vs the next 3 guys. RDA dropped off but he will be back as well.
On November 12 2016 15:04 alejandicto wrote:
My only bet a parlay:
Frankie (only chance for jeremy is KO and I dont think that happens with Edgar) + Khabib (Is far superior and Michaels TDD is bad) + Joanna (Karolina is overrated IMO) + Mcgregor (I think he will KO eddie within two rounds)
They need to give Khabib or Ferguson the next shot at McG if he is to retain the title. If you don't the division gets even more clogged up than it already is with deserving contenders waiting for a shot.
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 14 2016 20:10. Posts 13039
On November 12 2016 15:04 alejandicto wrote:
My only bet a parlay:
Frankie (only chance for jeremy is KO and I dont think that happens with Edgar) + Khabib (Is far superior and Michaels TDD is bad) + Joanna (Karolina is overrated IMO) + Mcgregor (I think he will KO eddie within two rounds)
:D Finally I made some money
Congrats! xD
On November 14 2016 17:48 goswser wrote:
They need to give Khabib or Ferguson the next shot at McG if he is to retain the title. If you don't the division gets even more clogged up than it already is with deserving contenders waiting for a shot.
The UFC Lightweight division a tricky situation.
1. Conor is a double champion and is in charge now (he calls the shots since Ronda isn't a champion anymore, and she is talking about retirement soon).
2. Tony Ferguson doesn't care about a title shot, and he avoided talking to Joe Rogan after he beat RDA last week. All he said was "thank you" to the fans, then walked away real fast. He doesn't care about trash talking or promoting or a title shot, so it's hard for the UFC to get behind him. This would be Conor's best option.
3. Khabib has limited English and his trash talking sucks. Also, only the hard core fans know who he is because he is always injured, and even though he's 24-0, he is the most unknown fighter in the UFC top-10 at Lightweight. Conor can sell any PPV card, but he would get less PPV buys if he fought Khabib for his next fight.
4. Conor vs. Nate Diaz would make the most sense since they are 1-1 versus each other, and Nate is a bigger star than anyone Conor has fought before (even bigger than Jose Aldo and Eddie Alvarez).
5. WME-IMG (new UFC owners) are all about making the biggest fights so they can bring in the most money. They spent over $4 billion on the UFC and fired a lot of UFC employees and are expected to reduce the number of UFC events in 2017. They just want the biggest "money fights" available, and Conor holds the key to those big money fights.
Rekrul is a newb
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[GiTM]-Ace United States. Nov 14 2016 23:04. Posts 1585
how do you know about the firings? interview or podcast somewhere?
[GiTM]- GoSu in the Making
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 15 2016 01:02. Posts 13039
On November 14 2016 22:04 [GiTM]-Ace wrote:
how do you know about the firings? interview or podcast somewhere?
The UFC employee firings happened 2 weeks or so ago. All of the major UFC people outside of USA were recently fired, even the main guy in Canada with the short curly hair (Tom Wright) who was always the person who ran the post-fight press conferences instead of Dana White.
A bunch of people were fired, but we're only aware of the big names.
Edit: I know about the firings via all of the major MMA news websites covering it, like BloodyElbow, MMA Mania, MMA Fighting, MMA Junkie, etc.
I think that Khabib draws a lot more casuals than people think though. I'd also argue that Khabib is more well known to casuals than Ferguson, mostly because of his fight last weekend at MSG. He's not the best at trash talking, but you can definitely sell a 24-0 undefeated record to the casual audience. That being said idk if we'll see Conor fight any time soon, I don't see the UFC giving Conor a stake in the company, or paying him much more than he got for the MSG fight. He deserves it, but the UFC doesn't want to pay their fighters more than they have to, and the more they give Conor, the more everyone else wants as well.
Khabib and Ferguson need to fight for it. I think Conor has gambled enough for our entertainment for now, Nate 3 is his parachute in the event of a CONVINCING loss to either Cerrone, Khabib and Ferguson. Mayweather will surely happen if he beats all 3, featherweight is just too easy for him. The guy keeps improving each fight win or lose, if he is given the time to obssess over his wrestling and cardio, he will probably test WW lol
Khabib is a nightmare for McGregor and isnt even the clear next contender I think the UFC would be very stupid to give him a shot at Conor, I dont know if connor cant make weight anymore but I'd like to see a rematch with Aldo now, who cars about Nate, we have seen enough
On November 15 2016 04:01 Baalim wrote:
Khabib is a nightmare for McGregor and isnt even the clear next contender I think the UFC would be very stupid to give him a shot at Conor, I dont know if connor cant make weight anymore but I'd like to see a rematch with Aldo now, who cars about Nate, we have seen enough
yep exactly. nate needs to prove himself at light weight now and get a no.1 ranking to get to challenge conor. it looks like the guy who was hyped really bad is nate.
I want to see a rematch with Aldo too, maybe he can fight smart this time, Eddie kicked Connor in the legs at the beginning of the fight and it was working, Aldo is a monster doing that, he should fight a little like he was against Edgar but with a lot of leg kicks and maybe he can win.
Ferguson and Khabib can fight for the interim belt.
This is definitely going to happen now. Mayweather tryin' to get a reaction from Conor :D
Best fight to happen if he defends against khabib successfully, more so if he loses. Then Nate 3 after haha
The guy will make hundreds of millions in the next 2 years
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 16 2016 07:42. Posts 13039
I'm telling you this Conar sabbatical may end up promoting an exhibition fight
Definitely going to end up a boxing match if ever, Conor doesn't risk shit by losing (clearly), Floyd shoulders it all but his record does not. This is going to be bigger than Pacquiao vs Mayweather if given the time to get legs and proper hype. Both fighters know people always have boxing vs mma discussions over beers :D
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 17 2016 00:52. Posts 13039
Khabib talking to MJ as he's beating on him; Miesha telling Bryan she doesn't "have it" anymore; Weidman leaking blood from his temple like a water faucet; and Conor being awesome.
It's a different fight but in the end it all ends up the same hahaha
I was always a fan of the guy from the first "fifty gs babey", but I stopped doubting him after Aldo
Iirc it was only fans, prob luke thomas and kenny florian picked conor out of every analyst out there including the "geniuses" like jack slack
The guy is just crazy on another level, a rematch vs Nate at 155 would define it.
Ive neer seen Jack Slack making a prediction and in his analysis in no way he suggested Eddie would win at all, on the contrary, the thing he has said about Connor the most is that he is very vulnerable to low leg kicks and he is, he has eaten every single leg kick with full force.
Netherlands. Oct 12 2016 14:02. Posts 7080
