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lucky331   . Oct 14 2016 02:47. Posts 1124


  On October 13 2016 12:14 lucky331 wrote:
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can you post a selfie? i am curious. i would like to see what a slightly heavier average jaw looks like.

also what will happen is alvarez will knockout the irishman in the 1st round.



i am sorry. i meant 3rd round because the irishman will by heavily breathing with his hands on his waist running away from alvarez.


lucky331   . Oct 14 2016 02:48. Posts 1124


  On October 13 2016 21:18 Spitfiree wrote:
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Yeah but McGregor s gonna come out swinging and putting the pressure on Alvarez right off the bat like he usually does. Pettis does not fight similarly, plus I dont believe Pettis has a good TDD, he can just really hurt you off his back and on the ground overall


maybe he can do this in the first 2 rounds. but by the 3rd round it will be all Alvarez. the irishman will be KO'd or submitted in the 3rd round.


whamm!   Albania. Oct 14 2016 05:47. Posts 11625

This is how any Conor opponent with a wrestling background is viewed by Conor haters


Yeah look at all the greats chins in all of combat sports history if you can find a chin/mouth like this guy


I think it's a built-in evolutionary response to see a solid looking chin and view it as strength or toughness, I just notice in fighters that it's a common thing. Also a small mouth makes you gas easy - less volume of air coming in and out etc. totally bro-sciencing here lol


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Oct 14 2016 12:53. Posts 9634

They should not be breathing through their mouths at all unlesss in extreme situations soo ... You only exhale through the mouth, thats a common way to manage air in almost all sports?

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Baalim   Mexico. Oct 14 2016 14:21. Posts 34246


  On October 14 2016 04:47 whamm! wrote:
This is how any Conor opponent with a wrestling background is viewed by Conor haters


Yeah look at all the greats chins in all of combat sports history if you can find a chin/mouth like this guy


I think it's a built-in evolutionary response to see a solid looking chin and view it as strength or toughness, I just notice in fighters that it's a common thing. Also a small mouth makes you gas easy - less volume of air coming in and out etc. totally bro-sciencing here lol



Mayweather's chin is quite thin and not square and strong at all.




Big square jaws are a common trait in heavyweights, im not sure how common it is in lower weight classes and it is probably related to testosterone levels in development, and I suppose its natural that males with more testosterone will be more aggressive and more drawn into combat sports but it doesn't necessarily mean that a square jaw is less prone to KOs

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whamm!   Albania. Oct 14 2016 16:43. Posts 11625

dont make me post selfies here just to illustrate my point


jvilla777   Australia. Oct 15 2016 02:01. Posts 1348


  On October 14 2016 15:43 whamm! wrote:
dont make me post selfies here just to illustrate my point



I want you to illustrate your point tho

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Stim_Abuser   United States. Oct 15 2016 22:40. Posts 7499

This isnt about Eddie being great or an elite grappler. I favor several guys over Eddie at LW. It's about Conor being the worst grappler in any top 5 male MMA rankings. Seriously, name a top 5 fighter with worse grappling than Conor. I don't know if he's ever close to any top 5 fight in grappling. He also has some of the worst cardio of any top 5 which for a FW/LW is shameful.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Oct 16 2016 08:30. Posts 9634

Why do you guys overestimate Alvarez's cardio ? The dude has not fought in a 5 rounds match since 3 years and he barely got 2 split decision wins in 3 round fights vs people that are far less aggressive standing up and he wasnt exactly looking good in round 3. Conor has bad cardio -> sure, so does Alvarez. Plus it would be surprising if the fight goes over 2-3 rounds at all


lucky331   . Oct 16 2016 16:41. Posts 1124


  On October 15 2016 01:01 jvilla777 wrote:
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I want you to illustrate your point tho


here you go


lucky331   . Oct 16 2016 16:47. Posts 1124


  On October 14 2016 13:21 Baalim wrote:
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Mayweather's chin is quite thin and not square and strong at all.




Big square jaws are a common trait in heavyweights, im not sure how common it is in lower weight classes and it is probably related to testosterone levels in development, and I suppose its natural that males with more testosterone will be more aggressive and more drawn into combat sports but it doesn't necessarily mean that a square jaw is less prone to KOs



whamm!   Albania. Oct 17 2016 01:17. Posts 11625

Eddie just fights retarded when he gets tired and brawls. Conor has a similar gas tank, maybe better at 155, that 1st and 2nd Nate fight probably taught him about a thing or two about losing fights due to cardio. I stick with my small head/mouth/chin theory lol


Baalim   Mexico. Oct 17 2016 08:26. Posts 34246


  On October 17 2016 00:17 whamm! wrote:
Eddie just fights retarded when he gets tired and brawls. Conor has a similar gas tank, maybe better at 155, that 1st and 2nd Nate fight probably taught him about a thing or two about losing fights due to cardio. I stick with my small head/mouth/chin theory lol



He lost the 1st because he got tired and he knew it, he talked about how Nate was more efficient etc, so you can bet that he tried to improve on that area, however he still got tired super fast, the only reason he won is because he leg kicked Nate instead of trying to force an exchange overextending himself.

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Stim_Abuser   United States. Oct 18 2016 19:39. Posts 7499

Dominick Cruz made a comment on how Conors style just uses a ton of energy and that's why he gets so tired. Considering he had like 4-5 months between the Diaz fights to specifically work on his cardio and spent 300k on the camp and still had bad cardio makes me not have much hope it will get a lot better. I'm sure he'll improve it some but don't think it'll ever be good.

Also gotta love Conor fans. Any other fighter in the world people would say not having to cut weight would improve your cardio. With Conor fans, having to cut 10+ pounds of water is gonna help his cardio lmao.

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Baalim   Mexico. Oct 18 2016 23:47. Posts 34246


  On October 18 2016 18:39 Stim_Abuser wrote:
Dominick Cruz made a comment on how Conors style just uses a ton of energy and that's why he gets so tired. Considering he had like 4-5 months between the Diaz fights to specifically work on his cardio and spent 300k on the camp and still had bad cardio makes me not have much hope it will get a lot better. I'm sure he'll improve it some but don't think it'll ever be good.

Also gotta love Conor fans. Any other fighter in the world people would say not having to cut weight would improve your cardio. With Conor fans, having to cut 10+ pounds of water is gonna help his cardio lmao.



Agreed 100%, I remember that comment too and to this date I wonder how true is that, it doesnt look tiring compared to Cruz style of perpetual motion, but who knows, Anderson Silva is the only guy who fights alike and he also had some weird cardio issues in fights that didnt seem tiring, so he might be right.

Indeed its weird people claim cutting weight improves cardio lol, although at lightweight he probably has to cut very little and will be at 100% cardio wise but so was he on his fight vs Nate.

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northsails   Bulgaria. Oct 19 2016 00:14. Posts 410

Not saying Conor cardio is great, but it is funny now everyone is putting it out as a major leak. Brawling with a Diaz bro is never good for cardio, that is why their opponents resort to wrestling them or cutting angles and circling away from them for most of the fight. I don't now a single fighter who went there and stand toe to toe with a Diaz for more than a round and was not entirely spent. Mcregor had a 5 round war with Nate in his last fight and even though he got tired and lost the 3rd round big, he came back and won the 4th against the cardio machine Diaz. If his cardio was so bad, surely he should of been finished. Also fighting against a guy like Nate who constantly pressures you and throws hundred of punches is probably the most exhausting thing possible in fighting.

Conor's major leak is obv his grappling. A guy like Khabib probably will wipe the floor with him, but Eddie I don't think is good enough to do that. Mcregor is going to make it look easy.


Baalim   Mexico. Oct 19 2016 08:32. Posts 34246


  On October 18 2016 23:14 northsails wrote:
Not saying Conor cardio is great, but it is funny now everyone is putting it out as a major leak. Brawling with a Diaz bro is never good for cardio



Except that McGregor fought a very slow pace first round, he took his time, leg kicking properly, not brawling at all being efficient and he still gassed by the 2nd round

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northsails   Bulgaria. Oct 19 2016 10:02. Posts 410

Well, that is correct, but that is his style of fighting. Even though, he was more efficient that the first fight, it is still exhausting way to fight. He was constantly pressuring and countering Diaz in this 2 rounds. It was not like Condit vs Nick for example, where he will just run backwards and circle away when trapped against the cage, scoring with some low kicks or combinations and resetting. My point is that Nate's toughness and sick cardio, made it look like Conor has some really shit cardio, which I don't think is correct. Obv with his power and style of fighting he will not have the best cardio, just like Rumble does not have the best cardio, or Woodley for example.

But still I don't think his cardio will be the issue against Eddie, who is not some cardio freak himself. Alvarez obv way to win is to put Mcregor against the cage, take him down and rough him up there, but if he can't do that and starts giving ground like he usually does, he is pretty much fucked.


Baalim   Mexico. Oct 19 2016 10:55. Posts 34246


  On October 19 2016 09:02 northsails wrote:
just like Rumble does not have the best cardio, or Woodley for example.



except that both are much bigger than Conor so they face also guys with less cardio and Woodley wont last even 1 fight as a champ, and Rumble isnt even a champ and will get flattened by Cormier so yeah, having shit cardio is a big disadvantage

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PuertoRican   United States. Oct 19 2016 20:43. Posts 13030





  On October 19 2016 07:32 Baalim wrote:
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Except that McGregor fought a very slow pace first round, he took his time, leg kicking properly, not brawling at all being efficient and he still gassed by the 2nd round


  On October 19 2016 09:02 northsails wrote:
Well, that is correct, but that is his style of fighting. Even though, he was more efficient that the first fight, it is still exhausting way to fight. He was constantly pressuring and countering Diaz in this 2 rounds. It was not like Condit vs Nick for example, where he will just run backwards and circle away when trapped against the cage, scoring with some low kicks or combinations and resetting. My point is that Nate's toughness and sick cardio, made it look like Conor has some really shit cardio, which I don't think is correct. Obv with his power and style of fighting he will not have the best cardio, just like Rumble does not have the best cardio, or Woodley for example.


Leg kicking and being more cautious in Round 1 isn't how Conor fights. He had to be helped to the back of the arena after his second fight was over with Nate. Conor was then on crutches after he was in the back.

So no, leg kicking and fighting the way he did against Nate in their second fight isn't his style of fighting. He knew he had to change something, or end up punching himself out and gassing, followed by getting finished again.

I'm on Conor over Eddie, but I am aware of the cardio issues that will happen if Conor doesn't win within 2 rounds. That being said, I think Conor will win Under 1.5 rounds.

Edit: Conor said after the fight that he never threw that many kicks in a fight before. He's used to throwing only a few kicks at most during a fight, and they're high spinning kicks, not low kicks to slow down an opponent. This is why he was on crutches in the videos you see of him in the back of the arena.

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