UFC 182: Jones vs. Cormier - Page 4

Yah I haven't seen anyone talking about DC koing JJ like it's nothing... or even at all. All I personally said was that he hits harder and has much better hands in a vacuum. I doubt he has the chin Jones has though, and the reach could nullify all of that.

And as far as comparing Sonnen as a wrestler to Cormier is absolutely hilarious. Sonnen was a great MMA smother/wrestler which would never work against a guy of Jones size and caliber. DC is probably 3 tiers above Sonnen in MMA wrestling alone, forget pure freestyle wrestling. The gap is insanely wide. Like literally not even close. If you think it is, you don't know what you are watching. The comparison shouldn't even be made. I clearly feel strongly about this.

And again, still predicting Jones to win.

A lot of people here think DC has a chance.
Can anyone of these guys tell what they think is going to happen in the fight.
Because everybody is saying DC is a great wrestler but no one says that he is going to take JJ 100 times if he likes and will keep him there for 25min.
Everyone says that they are impressed of DC's striking but no one says he is going to knock Jones out.
Some people said that JJ is easy to submit because he has long limbs but they don;'t say DC will submit him.
How do you guys visualise the fight going?I am curious and will be interested to read your opinions after the fight too

On December 28 2014 14:18 gryzzlybearr wrote: A lot of people here think DC has a chance. Can anyone of these guys tell what they think is going to happen in the fight. Because everybody is saying DC is a great wrestler but no one says that he is going to take JJ 100 times if he likes and will keep him there for 25min. Everyone says that they are impressed of DC's striking but no one says he is going to knock Jones out. Some people said that JJ is easy to submit because he has long limbs but they don;'t say DC will submit him. How do you guys visualise the fight going?I am curious and will be interested to read your opinions after the fight too

Well, I can only speak for myself, but I laid out what I think the only way DC winning is, and that's edging out a decision with a mix of closing the distance early, getting takedowns and landing good hard punches in and out of the breaks and scrambles, and conserving energy by maintaining dominant positions either on the ground or against the cage where he can hold down JBJ for 30 second+ intervals at various points throughout the fight. All this, while not eating any really significant strikes through the first couple of rounds. He'll need to do this for atleast 3 of the 5 rounds, and it would likely have to be the earlier rounds. I don't find this to be a highly likely way that the fight pays out, but it is certainly plausible. I do highly doubt he finishes Jones. That would shock me.

DC definitely has a chance, but i think it will likely look like the first 3 rounds of jones vs rampage but for 5 rounds. i do think DC will adapt better than rampage did, but the distance management is very difficult and i think jones is a pretty big favorite. probably will bet, but not real confident about my MMA predictions anymore

On December 28 2014 15:21 Daut wrote: DC definitely has a chance, but i think it will likely look like the first 3 rounds of jones vs rampage but for 5 rounds. i do think DC will adapt better than rampage did, but the distance management is very difficult and i think jones is a pretty big favorite. probably will bet, but not real confident about my MMA predictions anymore

In Jones vs Rampage, Jones actually had the advantage in wrestling, he was always pushing rampage back in the clinch etc. I don't think its going to go this way against DC. I think DC is a lot better than rampage. As an example, compare the 2 fights they did against Dan Henderson.... DC essentially has brutal strenght with olympic level wrestling. If DC can't out wrestle jones i don't know who can.

However, i am not saying this is an easy fight for DC, i doubt he has the edge in stand up.

On December 28 2014 15:21 Daut wrote: DC definitely has a chance, but i think it will likely look like the first 3 rounds of jones vs rampage but for 5 rounds. i do think DC will adapt better than rampage did, but the distance management is very difficult and i think jones is a pretty big favorite. probably will bet, but not real confident about my MMA predictions anymore

In that case, bet on Cormier, cuz I'll have a bet on Jones...

Thanks ahead of time.

Having read some of the rules for DraftKings (DK) new MMA fantasy games, they aren't nearly as good as Kountermove's. However, DK has much larger "guaranteed games" where you can win a ton of cash. Another upside to DK is that the early events might be soft when compared to Kountermove's pool of bettors.

Anyway, I'm registered in 5 different games: 2 entries in the $25k guaranteed ($4 total), 1 entry in the $4k guaranteed ($1 total), 1 entry in the $1k guaranteed ($.25 cents total), and 1 entry in the $10 free roll (free).

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I registered to DraftKings (DK). Whats interesting is the price for the fighters actually makes sense in this one, so there is less "obvious" picks.

On December 28 2014 18:24 Floofy wrote: I registered to DraftKings (DK). Whats interesting is the price for the fighters actually makes sense in this one, so there is less "obvious" picks.

Did you notice that they don't have all of the fights on the card? They only have 9 out of 11 fights available. They didn't add the 2 fights on Fight Pass, which are:

Omari Akhmedov vs. Mats Nilsson
Alexis Dufresne vs. Marion Reneau

Kountermove has all of the fights to choose from. I assume DK will change this in the future, UFC 182 is their first move into MMA.

On December 28 2014 19:10 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On December 28 2014 18:24 Floofy wrote: I registered to DraftKings (DK). Whats interesting is the price for the fighters actually makes sense in this one, so there is less "obvious" picks. Did you notice that they don't have all of the fights on the card? They only have 9 out of 11 fights available. They didn't add the 2 fights on Fight Pass, which are: Omari Akhmedov vs. Mats Nilsson Alexis Dufresne vs. Marion Reneau Kountermove has all of the fights to choose from. I assume DK will change this in the future, UFC 182 is their first move into MMA.

Yea i did, hope they do add it.

However, i like how they actually force you to also pick underdogs.
In kountermove, here's an example of one of my teams:

Hector Lombard
Danny Castillo
Shawn Jordan
Evan Dunham
Marcus Brimage

In DK, i would need 7000$ more to make that team lol

So essentially, in Kountermove, i think the strategy is a good part of meta game (Danny Castillo is a super easy pick, but if absolutly everybody picks him, then it can be +EV not to pick him), while in DK, the strategy is to actually really try to find which fighters are under rated.

On December 28 2014 20:26 Floofy wrote: Show nested quote + On December 28 2014 19:10 PuertoRican wrote:   On December 28 2014 18:24 Floofy wrote: I registered to DraftKings (DK). Whats interesting is the price for the fighters actually makes sense in this one, so there is less "obvious" picks. Did you notice that they don't have all of the fights on the card? They only have 9 out of 11 fights available. They didn't add the 2 fights on Fight Pass, which are: Omari Akhmedov vs. Mats Nilsson Alexis Dufresne vs. Marion Reneau Kountermove has all of the fights to choose from. I assume DK will change this in the future, UFC 182 is their first move into MMA. Yea i did, hope they do add it. However, i like how they actually force you to also pick underdogs. In kountermove, here's an example of one of my teams: Hector Lombard Danny Castillo Shawn Jordan Evan Dunham Marcus Brimage In DK, i would need 7000$ more to make that team lol So essentially, in Kountermove, i think the strategy is a good part of meta game (Danny Castillo is a super easy pick, but if absolutly everybody picks him, then it can be +EV not to pick him), while in DK, the strategy is to actually really try to find which fighters are under rated.

Someone else mentioned that in KM, a fighter can win a 5-round fight by split-decision and you will still get decent points on KM. On the other hand, on DK, the loser of the split-decision gets shit.

They also said DK focuses more on finishes than decision, and KM focuses on everything.

Also, DK has all of the favorites set at a high price. While you might like this, I see it as a way for more people to have the same picks, especially when there's a $25k guaranteed event with a maximum entry of 14,300 people. on KM, they price some of the favorites as being inexpensive to give the bettors more variety in their picks. DK needs to fix this in the future, or we'll see a lot of people with the same picks, which means money will be split for the people who end up "in the money."

On December 28 2014 20:34 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On December 28 2014 20:26 Floofy wrote:   On December 28 2014 19:10 PuertoRican wrote:   On December 28 2014 18:24 Floofy wrote: I registered to DraftKings (DK). Whats interesting is the price for the fighters actually makes sense in this one, so there is less "obvious" picks. Did you notice that they don't have all of the fights on the card? They only have 9 out of 11 fights available. They didn't add the 2 fights on Fight Pass, which are: Omari Akhmedov vs. Mats Nilsson Alexis Dufresne vs. Marion Reneau Kountermove has all of the fights to choose from. I assume DK will change this in the future, UFC 182 is their first move into MMA. Yea i did, hope they do add it. However, i like how they actually force you to also pick underdogs. In kountermove, here's an example of one of my teams: Hector Lombard Danny Castillo Shawn Jordan Evan Dunham Marcus Brimage In DK, i would need 7000$ more to make that team lol So essentially, in Kountermove, i think the strategy is a good part of meta game (Danny Castillo is a super easy pick, but if absolutly everybody picks him, then it can be +EV not to pick him), while in DK, the strategy is to actually really try to find which fighters are under rated. Also, DK has all of the favorites set at a high price. While you might like this, I see it as a way for more people to have the same picks, especially when there's a $25k guaranteed event with a maximum entry of 14,300 people. on KM, they price some of the favorites as being inexpensive to give the bettors more variety in their picks. DK needs to fix this in the future, or we'll see a lot of people with the same picks, which means money will be split for the people who end up "in the money."

I don't understand this part, i thought its the opposite?

Since all the favorites are at an high prices, its means we are all free to pick the favorite we really want. For you, that might be Jones. For me, it might be Lombard, for someone else, it can be Castillo.

However, in KM, some picks are just SO GOOD, i think most good bettors are going to pick them. An example of this would be last KM's Erick Silva. This time, its Danny Castillo.

However, it is true that there is more pick combinations possible in KM, since the fighters are generally cheaper.

The favorites on DK are more expensive than on KM, and you don't get left with a lot of points after picking two favorites. If all of the favorites are gonna be expensive on DK, there will be more people with the same picks on DK. KM's different prices allow there to be less ties. Also, the amount of users allowed to join an MMA game on DK is wayyyyyyyyy to high. KM sets their registration number much lower because the more people who join the game, the higher the chance of a tie happening.

DK's system is still flawed for MMA. But like I said before, this will be their first MMA event, so I can't bash them yet.

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It's so fucking stupid that Fantasy Gambling is considered a 'game of skill' and is therefore legal where actual straight up betting is not, and is therefore illegal. What a backwards, stupid fucking notion. Makes me so angry.

On December 28 2014 22:26 PuertoRican wrote:

Yo Anthony Bourdain narrating?

I mean all JJ has to do his put his hands out and DC will never touch him. I just don't see how he is going to lose. He's never going to let DC take him down.

On December 29 2014 00:26 wongfeihung wrote: Show nested quote + On December 28 2014 22:26 PuertoRican wrote: Yo Anthony Bourdain narrating?

I guess Morgan Freeman was busy.

On December 28 2014 21:44 PuertoRican wrote: The favorites on DK are more expensive than on KM, and you don't get left with a lot of points after picking two favorites. If all of the favorites are gonna be expensive on DK, there will be more people with the same picks on DK. KM's different prices allow there to be less ties. Also, the amount of users allowed to join an MMA game on DK is wayyyyyyyyy to high. KM sets their registration number much lower because the more people who join the game, the higher the chance of a tie happening.

I really think its the opposite.

I think on DK, any picks makes sense, because the prices are based on real actual odds. I think almost any combination is possible and makes sense.

But on KM, there are often fighters who are almost MUST PICK, such as dany Castillo, and fighters who really makes no sense picking, such as Josh Burkman.

Result is, on KM, you see a lot of similarity between the decks (no big under dogs, a lot of obvious picks)
But on DK, i think anything can happen.


THis is especially true in smaller tournaments, or even in a duel. On KM, it would be really stupid not to take Dany Castillo, and it would be really stupid to pick any big underdogs. On the other hand, i think you could justify taking big underdogs on DK.