UFC 182: Jones vs. Cormier - Page 17

I felt like Rogan and Goldberg were told to downplay any bad behavior by Jones. The finger poke was intentional, only comment it got was that the apology after seemed sincere (I don't think it was). Jones raises his arms in victory and then punches an unsuspecting Cormier - they point out Cormier hit him back after the bell rang. UFC influencing its commentators to make its star look good?

Cain is a bigger, heavier , taller version of Cormier. I don't think Jones can beat Cain tbh. The only thing he had on Cormier was size. His skinny legs look like theyre gonna break with a couple of decent leg kicks, i dunno why nobody tries those?

Those punches @ end are a bit of edge playing, he raised his hands in victory but round wasnt over so its w/e
Dont think you can kick his legs and get away with it, he s gonna punish you hard for it,again cause of his size, Gustafson was able to leg kick him well again, cause he is as big as he is

cain would leg kick jones relentlessly while moving forward. thats a real bad fight for jon, but given how he was able to adapt to cormier and his counter boxing improvements, he has a better chance than i thought. id say cain -250 (line would be much closer)

Cain has definitely faced tougher competition, is actually a champion at heart and has better MMA striking than Cormier(who mostly just moves forward) - the guy can actually tie up his strikes with MMA wrestling better since his standup has been proven to KTFO legit HW. Cormier really took Jones to the deep end but just did not have the physical gifts to match JBJ, who looked beat up after the fight. I'd bet on a Cain finish, he will not allow Jones to catch his breath like he did with Cormier and would probably gas Jones out - Cain only got rocked twice in the UFC, against real hard clean shots by the hardest hitting mofos in HW Kongo and JDS. Jones striking seems to have no KO power but more like an accumulative damage kind so Cain would not really have a problem eating shots

I don't really understand some of this talk about DC mentally breaking or not having the heart of a champion or any sort of looking for an overrated angle like that. Seems to me some of it's coming from people who like JJ (not counting the resident retard grizzlybear) so why can't it be about how impressive Jon's cardio and fighting spirit is? DC even said afterwards that he was impressed with how Jones was able to turn it up a notch after DC won round 2 and a good bit of round 3. To talk about DC's 'champion's heart' not being up to snuff after that frantic first 3 rounds and then not getting finished by the world's best fighter when he was obviously dead tired and on the floor at a cpl points is just some hating and not giving credit to what you really want to and should be giving credit to which are Jon's athletic gifts and mental fortitude. Yeah it sucks that DC's cardio just isn't as naturally good or that he wasn't able to pace himself better. But you really going to argue that a human can reach the end of his cardio capacity...severely disabling his already limited options from a talent standpoint to win the fight...and some with a 'champion's heart' are just able to supernaturally overcome that cardio block into furious activity for 10 more minutes? Okay.

Big question on Cain vs JJ for me would be how much or little damage Cain takes coming inside and clinching vs Jon's clinch knees/elbows. Because while JDS may be a great standup fighter, his infighting is really pretty terrible so it's not like we've seen Cain deal with anyone even remotely like Jones. If he's able to mostly avoid that damage, don't see the extra strength and weight from Cain on the inside being denied. Jon's cardio won't even be an advantage finally either and Cain moves his head better than DC. Don't really buy that Cain could just leg kick Jones though. That's like Cain's 9th strength and Jon is just so good at gauging distance for engaging/avoiding for someone shorter to be leg kicking him to death.

On January 05 2015 07:05 tomson wrote: I felt like Rogan and Goldberg were told to downplay any bad behavior by Jones. The finger poke was intentional, only comment it got was that the apology after seemed sincere (I don't think it was). Jones raises his arms in victory and then punches an unsuspecting Cormier - they point out Cormier hit him back after the bell rang. UFC influencing its commentators to make its star look good?

UFC 182 was built around Jones being the bad guy, and Cormier being the good guy. Dana White referred to Jones as being the bad guy in an interview, and if you watch the hype videos for this event, they were mostly trash talk with no actual fight footage. Also, UFC 182 was given the title of "Bad Blood," and use the song "Hate Me Now," all while hyping up Cormier and his Olympic wrestling credentials.

Regarding the punch, Jones lifted his hands in celebration before the round ended, and when he felt/saw Cormier stop trying to clinch with him, he punched him (while the round was still going). You have to protect yourself at all times when the round is still going, even if your opponent stops fighting to raise his hand in victory.

Can anybody explain me why the odds of UFC182 changed A LOT in the last day?

Cerrone went from -225 to -125
Cormier also went up from like +140 to +180
Garbanth went from a massive underdog +180 to being a favorite???

And which odds are more reliable? I'm thinking maybe i should wait at the last minute to place my bets in DraftKings to get the most reliable odds.

On January 05 2015 04:06 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2015 01:50 whamm! wrote: I like Rumble's chances vs Jones. He's got some weird striking + sick KO power, Davis couldn't swarm the guy so he probably has somes serious TDD as well. I don't like Gus in a second fight since I feel Jones benefits a rematch a lot more than him. I'm not sure how Rumble vs. Gustafsson goes down, but Rumble doesn't have a chance against Jones. Rumble basically offers the same threat to Jones that Glover did, except that Glover has better cardio, better technical boxing, and better BJJ than Rumble.

This is very wrong IMO. I'd heavily favor Jones, but Glover was QUITE over-rated coming into that fight. A not that dominating decision vs shitty Rampage and getting rocked by Bader and than landing a hay.... he had nothing for Jon, than he gets fucking rag-dolled by Phil Davis.

Anthony hits and kicks MUCH harder than Glover and can cover distance much much better... it's not even close, and that's what matters vs JBJ. The Wrestling/Jitsu for Glover may come into a play in a fight vs Rumble, but obviously doesn't mean shit vs Jones. No-ones wrestling or Jits will mean shit vs Jones. If DC couldn't outwrestle him on the inside, no one can - besides maybe Cain.

It's all about striking and Rumble is a far more hard hitting and dynamic striker than Glover. His chances of getting finished by Jones are certainly astronomical, he'll most likely go for it in rounds 1 and 2 and than get finished in 4 or 5, but the simple threat of landing some fight changing/ending shot vs a guy like Jones is wayyyy higher with Glover's. He might be the hardest functional hitter/kicker in the UFC in terms of actual high percentage combinations, and his potential at LHW is an unknown.

He probably does have nothing for Jon, but if he comes out and rolls through Gus in a way that is more telling and versatile than just a perfect combo early on, I'd be very intrigued to see him fight Jon. I'm favoring Gus in their upcoming bout, but if he showed more improvement and won that fight, it wouldn't shock me at all. If I was Jon, I'd be rooting for Gus because that's a re-match I guarantee he wins.

On January 05 2015 20:17 Floofy wrote: Can anybody explain me why the odds of UFC182 changed A LOT in the last day? Cerrone went from -225 to -125 Cormier also went up from like +140 to +180 Garbanth went from a massive underdog +180 to being a favorite??? And which odds are more reliable? I'm thinking maybe i should wait at the last minute to place my bets in DraftKings to get the most reliable odds.

Average people and casual bettors think that Cerrone is still plagued by mental problems and jitters. He's isn't. Mentally, Cerrone has* come a long way over the* past 1.5 years.

Casual bettors put their money on Cormier early, while serious bettors waited.

Garbrandt is legit, but the average bettor probably didn't research him until 1 week before the event. I researched him a month or more before the event. All 5 of his professional fights were available on YouTube before his UFC debut, and those fights told you he* had more than enough tools to beat Brimage.

Jon Jones: $500,000 (no win bonus)
Daniel Cormier: $90,000

Donald Cerrone: $140,000 (includes $70,000 win bonus)
Myles Jury: $16,000

Brad Tavares: $50,000 (includes $25,000 win bonus)
Nate Marquardt: $49,000

Kyoji Horiguchi: $40,000 (includes $20,000 win bonus)
Louis Gaudinot: $10,000

Hector Lombard: $106,000 (includes $53,000 win bonus)
Josh Burkman: $45,000

Paul Felder: $20,000 (includes $10,000 win bonus)
Danny Castillo: $36,000

Cody Garbrandt: $16,000 (includes $8,000 win bonus)
Marcus Brimage: $12,000

Shawn Jordan: $44,000 (includes $22,000 win bonus)
Jared Cannonier: $8,000

Evan Dunham: $54,000 (includes $27,000 win bonus)
Rodrigo Damm: $12,000

Omari Akhmedov: $20,000 (includes $10,000 win bonus)
Mats Nilsson: $8,000

Marion Reneau: $17,600 (includes $8,000 win bonus)*
Alexis Dufresne: $6,400*

* Dufresne gave up 20% of her purse to Reneau

OMG Cowboy is so sick!
Here is a guy who backs up everything he says(unlike the shoe thrower,who is shaping up to be the forum's favourite bullshit talker).Cmon guys(iakim322) stop sucking on Cormier's d..k.If you hate Jon just wait for somebody to beat his ass and then enjoy.To say that someone's cardio is Naturally good or bad is the most stupid thing in the whole world.Yeah Nick Diaz's cardio is naturally good,born with it ahhh?Not that he trains his ass off and doing triathlons.Do you know why Jon and Cain and some other guys have sick cardio?Guess what, they push theirselves to the end because they can and are mentally strong.When you are mentally weak you just can not push yourself!!
Anyway stepping up against Benson on 2 weeks notice is impressive.
I hope it goes well for Cowboy,but... how he can deal with Benson's wrestling and strenght i am not so sure.
I think even if he loses the UFC should continue to promote him as a contender,not sending him at the back of the rail.
I want to see Khabib vs Benson(not that anybody has a chance aginst Khabib's sick sambo ,but if there is someone determined and strong enough it has to be Benson right?)
Just do not make Cowboy vs Khabib ever,because it will make Cowboy look so bad and nobody really needs that.

Well Cerrone showed his BJJ is quite good so he can probably manage on 2 weeks notice vs Henderson

It is not the BJJ i think he will have problems with.It is the wrestling,because Benson is really strong for the division!And still very hard to submit Henderson too,possible but very unlikely.

Good BJJ pretty much equals to good ground game on his back and Pettis showed its no that hard to submit the guy as long as you go for it

Pettis has some of the best defensive BJJ in MMA today imho, the way he is always active and dangerous when he pulls guard, its very entertaining to watch. People don't give him that much credit for his BJJ but I remember the first time I saw him in WEC when he was nowhere near in striking/wrestling/mentally I was already impressed with his BJJ skill. So don't misunderstand world class mma bjj with Benson being weak on the ground. If anything Benson has some of the best defense against ground fighters and there is a reason why people thought he cannot be submitted and Pettis hurt him to get the "easy" sub.
Also keep in mind Benson and Donald fought in WEC twice, Benson won a decision and a submission, clearly both have improved since then, but there is a history.

On January 06 2015 13:24 FiSheYe wrote: Pettis has some of the best defensive BJJ in MMA today imho, the way he is always active and dangerous when he pulls guard, its very entertaining to watch. People don't give him that much credit for his BJJ but I remember the first time I saw him in WEC when he was nowhere near in striking/wrestling/mentally I was already impressed with his BJJ skill. So don't misunderstand world class mma bjj with Benson being weak on the ground. If anything Benson has some of the best defense against ground fighters and there is a reason why people thought he cannot be submitted and Pettis hurt him to get the "easy" sub. Also keep in mind Benson and Donald fought in WEC twice, Benson won a decision and a submission, clearly both have improved since then, but there is a history.

Agreed with all of this, very tough matchup for Cerrone rooting for him though

RDA vs Pettis is going to be amazing. I think theres value on RDA.
I think its a cointoss, maybe 55/45 Pettis.

The better question is, is there value on Denis Siver ?