UFC 182: Jones vs. Cormier - Page 3

On December 25 2014 18:47 whamm! wrote: Cormier has fought shit fighters. If he had fought somebody like Glover,Rashad or Gustaffson, I think I'd get a better idea. But I always believed in Khan's best advice for MMA betting. Strikeforce fighter = shit Jones by lolrape

This is really an interesting fight the more you look into it. You can make cases for both guys, but the thing that tips me towards Jones is the fact that he is used to going 5 rounds, so we know where he stands. Jones has whooped guys over the course of 5 rounds at a high pace, and has had the back-and-forth with Gustafsson, so we know he can take a beating over 5 rounds.

Also, we always used to say that Jon Jones only owned everyone because of his height and reach advantage; then he fought Alexander Gustafsson. After the Gustafsson fight, people were able to see what happens when Jones' opponent doesn't have a major height + reach disadvantage. We then saw Jones face another taller + rangier* guy in Glover Teixeira, whom isn't as well rounded as Gustafsson and got his arm tweaked in the first round by Jones bending it the wrong way. Now, Jones faces Cormier, whom is the shortest guy (along with Rashad Evans) that Jon Jones has had to fight in the UFC, and Cormier's reach is the shortest out of any UFC opponents Jones has faced thus far.

Many people on both sides of the argument are focusing on Cormier's wrestling and trying to figure out his best chance of implementing his game, but I haven't seen any major discussion about the height + reach difference, and how it will be a factor in the fight. Lastly, I think it was Kenny Florian who said in a recent video that Cormier has KO power in his hands... I find this laughable. Some people still think* Cormier has power because he KO`ed Bigfoot, a fighter who has shown to have a sketchy chin at times (on and off the juice).

I haven't seen many DCs fights but i got to agree on the reach part being important. If DC could do Tyson-like damage from the inside then his odds go up but i don't get the feeling of DC posessing beastmode brutality to the extent Fedor did. I'm going with Jones but i'm rooting for epic fight because the build has been huge. Don't want to be let down by some fluke. Hopefully it will be a battle.

Jones is going to raech out and touch him

after all the trash talk, even though cormier is a big dog, i like rooting for the underdogs and like cormier more as a person than jones. So I'd bet on Cormier for the simple reason if he won it would give such immense pleasure.

On December 25 2014 18:47 whamm! wrote: Cormier has fought shit fighters. If he had fought somebody like Glover,Rashad or Gustaffson, I think I'd get a better idea. But I always believed in Khan's best advice for MMA betting. Strikeforce fighter = shit Jones by lolrape

As I said earlier, Barnett & TRT Bigfoot are favorites over basically anyone Jones has fought. Although they aren't as skilled as many of the LHWs Jones beat, size matters. A lot.

also to say Jones does not have KO power is tricky. Most his fights are stopped because of brutality, and I feel that if the ref does not stop the fights then he would've had a ton of KO's in his record. it's funny comparing big guys who suck vs smaller more skilled guys overall. Mir, Barnett and Bigfoot? Shoguns career ended because of Jones after having destroyed a seemingly invincible Machida, toyed with everone else. Gustaffson was the closest but that guy would probably do very well vs the has beens cormier has faced. Glover would probably be in the top 5 HW and got manhandled by Jones.

Jones made Shogun tap from strikes.In a million years, i could not see this happening.
Cormier could not knock Frank Mir down.He hits like a wrestler,and i have huge respect for wrestlers because they are the toughest fighters ever,but it is not good enough.
I actually think DC is really scared and that's the reason he talks so much trash.Have you seen him trash talk so much in previous fights where he felt comfortable?This is for the title i get it ,but he really tries to convince himself that he belongs there and the truth is he doesn't.
And here comes the big problem-what will happen if Jon takes him down and manhandle him.This will be embarrassing for DC and very likely to happen actually.

ITT armchair psychologists are emptying their bank accounts to bet on jones.

On December 26 2014 03:59 gryzzlybearr wrote: Jones made Shogun tap from strikes.In a million years, i could not see this happening. Cormier could not knock Frank Mir down.He hits like a wrestler,and i have huge respect for wrestlers because they are the toughest fighters ever,but it is not good enough. I actually think DC is really scared and that's the reason he talks so much trash.Have you seen him trash talk so much in previous fights where he felt comfortable?This is for the title i get it ,but he really tries to convince himself that he belongs there and the truth is he doesn't. And here comes the big problem-what will happen if Jon takes him down and manhandle him.This will be embarrassing for DC and very likely to happen actually.

he talks trash cause he really doesnt like jon

I'm one of those armchair psychologists who thinks Jones has the psychological advantage, but I won't be betting on him because I think the line is right and Cormier certainly has a great chance.

Also, to those saying Cormier doesn't have KO power - I disagree. Yes, Bigfoots chin is questionable... unless hes eating the best shots Mark Hunt has to offer... and lets not forget what DC did to Pat Cummins... yes I know, joke all you want, those were some powerful shots...

Cormier actually has the pure hand speed and power advantage in this fight and it's not even that close. Who's the last guy Jones KO'd or even knocked down with a punch? Oh yah, nobody. He doesn't hit that hard, he elbows and knees VERY hard.

I see so many people who are polarized heavily in one side or the other thinking they know what is going to happen in this fight... it's pretty funny. No one knows. Too many unknowns - particularly whether DC is able to close the range consistently, withstand damage, and have the cardio to push a hard pace for more than a couple rounds are all not predictable with any certainty. Also, if DC takes Jones down, how well does Jones initiate scrambles off his back (I suspect very well given his athleticism and other skills but it's completely untested) and is he able to separate via those scrambles?

This is why I love this fight, there are going to be so many situations we haven't seen either guy in.

On December 26 2014 16:44 Daut wrote: ITT armchair psychologists are emptying their bank accounts to bet on jones.

Well, I guess that's one way to say you're betting on Cormier to win.

On December 26 2014 16:44 Daut wrote: ITT armchair psychologists are emptying their bank accounts to bet on jones.

what pisses me off is that they dont, they talk so much ridiculous shit but dont back it up by actually betting.

DC was calling out JJ (actually at first it was respectfully) even as he was still fighting at heavyweight knowing he'd drop down and challenge him. And then has been calling him out since because why waste your time, at age thirty damn five, dunking eight LHW's when you can get to the title shot within 3 fights and deservedly so since he was barely touched at HW. This must all mean he is scared to death.

On December 26 2014 18:30 soberstone wrote: I'm one of those armchair psychologists who thinks Jones has the psychological advantage, but I won't be betting on him because I think the line is right and Cormier certainly has a great chance. Also, to those saying Cormier doesn't have KO power - I disagree. Yes, Bigfoots chin is questionable... unless hes eating the best shots Mark Hunt has to offer... and lets not forget what DC did to Pat Cummins... yes I know, joke all you want, those were some powerful shots... Cormier actually has the pure hand speed and power advantage in this fight and it's not even that close. Who's the last guy Jones KO'd or even knocked down with a punch? Oh yah, nobody. He doesn't hit that hard, he elbows and knees VERY hard. I see so many people who are polarized heavily in one side or the other thinking they know what is going to happen in this fight... it's pretty funny. No one knows. Too many unknowns - particularly whether DC is able to close the range consistently, withstand damage, and have the cardio to push a hard pace for more than a couple rounds are all not predictable with any certainty. Also, if DC takes Jones down, how well does Jones initiate scrambles off his back (I suspect very well given his athleticism and other skills but it's completely untested) and is he able to separate via those scrambles? This is why I love this fight, there are going to be so many situations we haven't seen either guy in.

I remember watching that DC-Bigfoot fight and being impressed with DC's handspeed. I think that's the fastest I've seen his handspeed though obviously not that that's something you could tangibly measure. That win is a little underrated. TRT bigfoot was definitely different and the notion that he's gotten KO'd left and right is kinda perpetuated by Cain's two vicious KO's which really don't mean much since the matchup advantage there is huge and the speed difference is infinite. Plus he's Cain.

Comparing any wrestler Jones has fought to Cormier is just laughable.

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You guys are talking about DC possibly KOing JJ like its nothing. Do you realize how big the reach advantage for JJ is ? Do you realize that JJ mainly utilizes on reach advantage in every single fight (hence the eye poking) ? Do you realize that JJ's chin isn't made of glass as well even if DC somehow manages to break through ? Do you realize the last guy that pissed off JJ, and not even in a way where he punched him on a event promotion, ended up getting destroyed in the first round although JJ had a broken foot thumb?
And seriously Sonnen is a pretty good wrestler if not anything else... He s probably not as great as DC, but he s not far from it skill wise

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On December 28 2014 05:13 Spitfiree wrote: You guys are talking about DC possibly KOing JJ like its nothing. Do you realize how big the reach advantage for JJ is ? Do you realize that JJ mainly utilizes on reach advantage in every single fight (hence the eye poking) ? Do you realize that JJ's chin isn't made of glass as well even if DC somehow manages to break through ? Do you realize the last guy that pissed off JJ, and not even in a way where he punched him on a event promotion, ended up getting destroyed in the first round although JJ had a broken foot thumb? And seriously Sonnen is a pretty good wrestler if not anything else... He s probably not as great as DC, but he s not far from it skill wise

Who are these you guys that think Cormier will KO Jones like it's nothing, can you quote these posts so we can join the discussion too?

Sonnen is a great wrestler. He's also at least one weight class below Cormier and has no striking to set up his takedowns. That's what makes it incomparable.

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