"On top of all this, I've managed to kick wanking, which is a great relief for me and my cock both. Now I don't say that I'm never going to wank again (I mean, who the hell knows?); it's just that I've allowed my libido to lapse into the kind of unpicked-on quiescence that it seems to be demanding of me these days. "Okay," I've told my cock, "you win," For the time being anyway (until I really need you). I won't bully you any more. I won't wake you up nights and give you a bad time. I won't beff and moan and nag when you don't do like I say. You go your way - me, I'll go mine. No hard feelings.
(No feelings at all.) But it was getting ridiculous - the recriminations, the scenes. I remembered all those wanking contests I used to have with Gregory and others when I was young. Ready? Go! It was like squeezing a pee along a tube, nothing to do with desire at all, just a thing that your body was ever-willing to do for you. Later on, of course - after you've had real sex - wanking becomes largely a matter of substitution, but it still has its own role, its own autonomy. (Like I always maintain, a wank is bound to be slightly disapointing if what you really want is a fuck. But it's unbeatable if what you really want is a wank.) "Honestly!" I would shout at it, "I don't want a fuck, I swear. I want a wank." "You're just saying that," it would reply - and of course it was absolutely right. I tried to think (as I always used to do when I wanked) about those ten or eleven strange girls who had let me go to bed with them - had let me put this bit of tendon right up inside their bodies for no other reason than that they wanted me to. Where were they all now? What had they all become? It wasn't sexy; it was extraordinary and heartbreaking that they had left me so far behind. I could remember their bodies - I could remember what each one's face, tits and cunt had been like; but I couldn't remember, couldn't even lyingly imagine, why they had wanted me enough to let me do that to them. (They won't any longer. I know. I checked.) And it was sad like sad sex is sad - all that as well. Naturally, I gave pornography a whirl, gave pornography a pretty thorough outing (in a consultative capacity, as it were). I spent practically half my wages on nude magazines. I went to bed in a great glistening sea of those law-breaking bestiaries. But who were all these people? I don't know them, they don't like me, we won't meet, that won't work. Plus I couldn't get a bonk, which didn't help."
Terry Success by Martin Amis
Wanking is probably not ideal? Pornography probably not healthy? The less objectification of women the better? The male libido is a son of a bitch (no question). Testosterone seems to heal a lot of mens' problems but also seems to be the cause of a lot of mens' problems?
Personally, I tend to feel better and things tend to take care of themselves a lot smoother when I am doing things that tend to raise testosterone and/or my testosterone levels are likely higher.
What say ye, gentlemen of LP?
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MyAnacondaDont   United States. Dec 13 2014 21:49. Posts 164
I believe you will be happier if you stop wanking, I also believe you will be happier if you wank. Does that make sense? because thats how it is.
“I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and they thought it was hell.”
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Daut   United States. Dec 13 2014 23:37. Posts 8955
On December 13 2014 20:49 MyAnacondaDont wrote:
I believe you will be happier if you stop wanking, I also believe you will be happier if you wank. Does that make sense? because thats how it is.
nailed it
NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut
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traxamillion   United States. Dec 14 2014 00:40. Posts 10468
lol yea you really did. nice.
I'm down to once every ten days if that (never was more than 4/week) and not through some deliberate effort. I'm conscious of the fact i'm trying not to do it but it isn't taking some great effort I guess I would say. I think it helps keep a girlfriend and sex with her interesting and desirable but isn't really necessary with strangers or flings or whatever. I don't know if its a good idea to stop masturbating completely though because especially during times (I know for me at least) when you aren't getting laid much when you finally do get with a woman you don't want to last for less than a minute or hell less than 30 seconds. If you haven't had an orgasm or got close to one in two months you are not going to last very long having sober unprotected sex.
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traxamillion   United States. Dec 14 2014 00:42. Posts 10468
stop wanking out of boredom and you will naturally be cutting back a ton right there
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Daut   United States. Dec 14 2014 00:54. Posts 8955
i dunno about you guys, but if i have sex with a girl and havent wanked for 4 days id probably last 30 seconds tops. actually cant remember the last time ive gone 4 days without wanking, but id likely wake up humping my bed moaning out names of high school girls who i never had a chance with by day 3.
NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut
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JonnyCosMo   United States. Dec 14 2014 01:14. Posts 7292
LOL ^
Everyone needs to see that you are king of the castle - PoorUser
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whamm!   Albania. Dec 14 2014 01:18. Posts 11625
ask a priest how he feels about not wanking
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dogmeat   Czech Republic. Dec 14 2014 03:32. Posts 6374
ban baal
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dnagardi   Hungary. Dec 14 2014 04:39. Posts 1776
On December 14 2014 00:18 whamm! wrote:
ask a priest how he feels about not wanking
thats a pretty interesting question. I wonder if they do or not
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ggplz   Sweden. Dec 14 2014 05:21. Posts 16784
On December 13 2014 18:03 RiKD wrote:
The less objectification of women the better?
Because we can't look at women without turning them into objects. You need to take that feminist crap out of your head.
I think it's just about balance really. You need to factor in how sensitive you are and it also matters HOW you fap.. if it's while watching solo stuff e.g. a girl getting undressed and showing you her body that's probably one of the most healthy forms. On the other hand if you're into really hardcore stuff you need to limit it a bit because it can be so stimulating. Eventually you won't enjoy sex as much as porn and it can get to the point where having sex with women has little appeal over porn. I mean, it's pretty much impossible for a woman (or several, you dog!) to compete with porn. It's just not real and that's when "nofap" stuff starts to become really healthy as it starts to get you back to reality. I strongly think that pornography is extremely healthy in almost all forms though barring stuff like child or snuff porn and that it should be allowed as a matter of freedom.
I think this documentary is a really good watch for people wondering about BDSM/fetish pornography: http://vimeo.com/103936900
Sometimes I wonder if you took away your sex hormones would you have any desire to have sex? What would life be like? I know sometimes I feel that when my sex drive is at rock bottom and I actually think about it, the act itself is quite disgusting. At that point it's just an emotionless and repulsive reproductive act. That feeling can only possibly last for a few hours max though as I have a very high sex drive and unavoidably I feel something brewing inside and it becomes appealing again. It's often thought of as fun but is it fun just because our body makes it fun? Sometimes I feel that it clouds my mind and can get in the way of what I actually want to do and fapping is often way more time and energy efficient.
As a side note, looking at what's happening in the UK lately is deeply upsetting to me: filters, acts banned, demonisation and no real vote or public opinion or objectivity. I think it's an extremely embarrassing thing for a lot of people to talk about and generally a minority thing (at least for the demonised forms). I mean, there are so many fetishes and kinks out there but there's nothing people can really rally together behind without still seeming like a minority of weirdos and losing both their anonymity and the fight. That also makes it very easy for the UK government to push their agenda to restrict sexual freedom. It's just a fucked up situation.
Today pretty much all of us live in a protectionist dominated society. God forbid that something might harm 0.0000001% of the population because if it does that gives the media and "opposition" groups carte blanche to spew out as much manipulative information as they want because guess what, a person was hurt and we just can't have that and the sad reality is that people believe them. I'd like to think it's just the wear of the typical working class life taking it's toll but most of the time it's just stupidity and that people are driven by fear.
if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN
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traxamillion   United States. Dec 14 2014 13:05. Posts 10468
Nothing wrong with looking at a woman's body as an object when it comes to thinking about sex.
I guess the key is more to just not ONLY think about sex when it comes to females but really who cares what you think as long as you treat them with respect.
I actually have a lot of deep seated negative thoughts and feelings about women due to my parents divorce when I was 5, being raised by a single father not knowing my mom, my first fucked up relationship. So yea I'd consider myself a misogynist to an extent. I think women should have equal rights but I don't think they are necessarily equal or as cabable as men in certain regards that they would have us think they are. Despite this I still know how to act and when to keep my shit to myself and I have had several long and healthy, loving relationships.
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Santafairy   Korea (South). Dec 14 2014 17:58. Posts 2226
masturbating per se is not a problem whether you do it 3 times a day to animated midget shemales with their dogs or never do it and just have traditional wet dreams about baristas
it's the same fallacy people who have diet problems go to. it's not the cheeseburgers themselves that are making you fat. it's not fapping that makes your life gold or shit
to this extent it depends wildly upon the individual. it's not the masturbation it's what you do with all the rest of your life
my personal experience is if i'm not getting any regularly i masturbate maybe twice every 3 days usually spend at least an hour on it
objectifying is another word for sexuality, agree with ignoring internet virgin feminists, nothing wrong with pornography or whatever, it's another excuse people use. like "i watched so much pornography i finally met a girl and my dick didn't work neither of us had fun" but actually the problem there has nothing to do with pornography it has to do with never meeting someone before. the fact that you watched porn and that happened is a coincidence and not a very unlikely one as most people watch porn. but trust me the bible thumping christians who avoid self-abuse and get married in their early 20s and finally sit down and try to figure out how to have sex each other they're just as bad as the basement WoW guy who uses mountain dew as lotion. and this problem isn't confined to men, women have the same problem, it comes in the form of "oh my man doesn't know how to please me so i need to look for affairs," some people just suck at communicating
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
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whamm!   Albania. Dec 14 2014 21:12. Posts 11625
masturbating is like mini life goals you make each day. "reproduce.aaaaah" tomorrow again,"
i think porn unnaturally triggers these goals by destroying your sperm reload cycle though.
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dogmeat   Czech Republic. Dec 14 2014 21:15. Posts 6374
On December 14 2014 20:12 whamm! wrote:
masturbating is like mini life goals you make each day. "reproduce.aaaaah" tomorrow again,"
i think porn unnaturally triggers these goals by destroying your sperm reload cycle though.
solid broscience right there
ban baal
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Floofy   Canada. Dec 14 2014 23:11. Posts 8708
I do think masturbating to internet porn has negative effects. I remember as a teen, back when i didn't watch porn, i could sit in class and get raging hard boners just looking at a girl. Nowadays, i rarely get any boners during the day except with my girlfriend or when watching porn, and i noticed that if go whitout any fapping for 3-4 days, my performance in bed is a lot better. I think when you abuse porn, your brain require more simulation to get the same level of boners, and simply looking at your girlfriend's tits won't have the same effect as when you were a young porn free guy.
However i think porn doesn't have the same effect on everyone. If your the type of guy that keeps watching more hardcore stuff, and do things like edging for a long time, it fucks up reward circuitery much more than the guy who just cums in 30 seconds watching the same kind of things every times.
james9994: make note dont play against floofy, ;(
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PuertoRican   United States. Dec 15 2014 01:25. Posts 13047
On December 13 2014 23:54 Daut wrote:
i dunno about you guys, but if i have sex with a girl and havent wanked for 4 days id probably last 30 seconds tops. actually cant remember the last time ive gone 4 days without wanking, but id likely wake up humping my bed moaning out names of high school girls who i never had a chance with by day 3.
Rekrul is a newb
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TheHuHu3   United States. Dec 15 2014 07:02. Posts 5544
Even with my current girlfriend I'll still wank everyday. It's life.
TheHuHu4 coming soon :)
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4TM   United States. Dec 15 2014 07:31. Posts 712
On December 15 2014 06:02 TheHuHu3 wrote:
Even with my current girlfriend I'll still wank everyday. It's life.
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MyAnacondaDont   United States. Dec 15 2014 07:48. Posts 164
I wish there was a porn sharing thread on LP. I have scoured the internet for years and would like to share my favorites. I'm afraid I'll get banned if I start the thread though.
“I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and they thought it was hell.”
On December 15 2014 06:48 MyAnacondaDont wrote:
I wish there was a porn sharing thread on LP. I have scoured the internet for years and would like to share my favorites. I'm afraid I'll get banned if I start the thread though.
Yeah, you will. This is not a porn website and besides few posts we want to keep to content as safe for work as possible.
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Big_Rob_isback   United States. Dec 15 2014 12:02. Posts 211
I think everyone just has to do what is healthy for them. I have a hard time believing people who say that they masturbate to hardcore porn a lot and don't notice the difference if they don't. The difference may be minimal, but it is still there, I bet.
Personally, I went 8 months straight without a seeing a single porn image recently. When I finally broke down and saw a picture of a woman naked I got as close to horny as first did when I was 10 years old ! And this continued for quite a while. I also would check out women and get half boners just in public during this period. I went 2 months without masturbation during this period as well. I was just stressed out so it took a long time for me to actually get healthily horny again in life, I doubt it would be like that for most anyone on here. I felt like a healthy sexual being. It definitely confirmed with me that I can rewire my brains sensitivity system.
I also get more "sensual" with women when off the porn. I also think masturbating should only be done when someone actually gets the urge to do it, not just out of boredom. Thats when it messes with your libido. For me what works best is when I don't do it until I wake up and feel really horny after a dream. Sometimes these intervals can be really long (sometimes even a month) depending on how stressed I am in life. Its kind of a body/life stress barometer for me to see how horny I am when I wake up without fapping daily.
just playing live poker for fun
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PuertoRican   United States. Dec 15 2014 14:31. Posts 13047
On December 15 2014 06:48 MyAnacondaDont wrote:
I wish there was a porn sharing thread on LP. I have scoured the internet for years and would like to share my favorites. I'm afraid I'll get banned if I start the thread though.
Sharing porn on LP sounds gay as fuck.
I don't know about the rest of the guys in this thread, but I don't want to intentionally jerk off to the same stuff that you're jerking off to. That'd somehow make us cum-brothers, and that's the last thing I want.
I did nofap for months and I felt great. I came from a place of severe addiction though, wanking up to 10-12 times@day in my early 20s and spending some days only watching porn and masturbating. I started watching porn again and I noticed the quality of sex significantly dropped in direct relation to amount of porn watched (surprise surprise). I'm doing it again right now, started a few days ago.
I think porn is fine if you manage it in a healthy way, but if you go overboard it can litteraly destroy your life. Just like alcohol, smoke, TV, molly or pretty much any addictive behaviour. One great thing about nofap is that you will naturally feel more energetic and passionate for every other thing you do other than porn, since your dopamine receptors will awaken from the insensitivity triggered by the addictive behaviour.
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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Dec 15 2014 15:43. Posts 9634
10-12 a day ?
man you didnt beat the bird, you killed it
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Floofy   Canada. Dec 15 2014 17:48. Posts 8708
On December 15 2014 14:43 Spitfiree wrote:
10-12 a day ?
man you didnt beat the bird, you killed it
Yea honnestly, even in my best years as a teen, i would do 3 times a day top. If i really wanted to, maybe i could have reached 5, but 12 i could never have done it.
james9994: make note dont play against floofy, ;(
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mnj   United States. Dec 15 2014 18:49. Posts 3848
On December 15 2014 06:48 MyAnacondaDont wrote:
I wish there was a porn sharing thread on LP. I have scoured the internet for years and would like to share my favorites. I'm afraid I'll get banned if I start the thread though.
Sharing porn on LP sounds gay as fuck.
I don't know about the rest of the guys in this thread, but I don't want to intentionally jerk off to the same stuff that you're jerking off to. That'd somehow make us cum-brothers, and that's the last thing I want.
i dont konw if it's gay or not, but i feel this thread has been started in the past b4. but lp holds itself to the strangest of standards.
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ggplz   Sweden. Dec 15 2014 19:51. Posts 16784
rofl @ cumbrothers
if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN
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K40Cheddar   United States. Dec 16 2014 01:32. Posts 2202
On December 15 2014 14:05 ClouD87 wrote:
I did nofap for months and I felt great. I came from a place of severe addiction though, wanking up to 10-12 times@day in my early 20s and spending some days only watching porn and masturbating.
What the fuck
GG
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[GiTM]-Ace   United States. Dec 16 2014 01:40. Posts 1585
Ive been on and off doing no fap. Longest i ever did was 90 days or so. I think its good thing overall. I really do feel a lot better when i do it but i think its the fact that Im breaking a habit that makes me feel good rather then the actual fact that im not fapping. I will say though if u no fap for a while and have sex be prepared to not last long at all. But the nut feels like the 1st time u ever jerked it in your life lol.
[GiTM]- GoSu in the Making
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dogmeat   Czech Republic. Dec 16 2014 02:09. Posts 6374
i do 10times a day sometimes, after having a good workout or when recovering from hangover when i m getting really horny from rising tst
std?
ban baal
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Daut   United States. Dec 16 2014 03:20. Posts 8955
i dont understand 10 times a day. seriously? i do 1-2x most days. have never beat off more than 3 or had sex with a girl more than 5 or maybe 6 in a 24 hour period, but by the end i was shooting blanks or not finishing. dont know how 10 is even possible
NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut
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[GiTM]-Ace   United States. Dec 16 2014 07:23. Posts 1585
i think ive done like 6-7 times in a day before. definitely on more than 1 occasion lol. I think those are the days the most where im like shit. I need to stop fapping. I dunno about most people but one thing i did learn doing no fap was that majority time that i fapped I wasn't horny. I was just bored. I think if you are fapping because of any other reason than being horny u should consider quitting.
[GiTM]- GoSu in the Making
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Daut   United States. Dec 16 2014 13:19. Posts 8955
clearly this thread attracts the extremes on each side of the fap/no fap debate, but i didnt imagine the divide to be:
group 1: guys who go months without fapping
group 2: guys who fap 10-12 times a day
WTF, where are the 5-10x a week people to make me feel normal
NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut
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dnagardi   Hungary. Dec 16 2014 13:30. Posts 1776
this thread delivers
before i had a gf i did 1/day, here u go daut
now its still 1 cumming/day and its either sex or masturbation
10-12/day is very very abnormal and should be checked out. In my teen days ive never did more than 3/day
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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Dec 16 2014 13:33. Posts 9634
On December 16 2014 12:19 Daut wrote:
clearly this thread attracts the extremes on each side of the fap/no fap debate, but i didnt imagine the divide to be:
group 1: guys who go months without fapping
group 2: guys who fap 10-12 times a day
WTF, where are the 5-10x a week people to make me feel normal
there s like 3 ppl overall on the extremes
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Trav94   Canada. Dec 16 2014 14:29. Posts 1785
On December 16 2014 12:19 Daut wrote:
WTF, where are the 5-10x a week people to make me feel normal
right here
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MyAnacondaDont   United States. Dec 16 2014 14:58. Posts 164
I had a very abnormal puberty. I got an erection like 50% of the time whenever I walked/stood up. I grew up in group homes so no porn, no starcraft. When I was like 17, I finally got privacy and access to porn. I masturbated 10 consecutively. The last one, my dick was limp but that didn't stop me. It took like 30 minutes to get the last one out. I orgasm'd and nothing came out, but I felt cancer in my arms. Like black electricity in my arms.
“I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and they thought it was hell.”
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passiveace   United States. Dec 16 2014 15:26. Posts 46
lmfao
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PuertoRican   United States. Dec 16 2014 15:33. Posts 13047
On December 16 2014 13:58 MyAnacondaDont wrote:
I had a very abnormal puberty. I got an erection like 50% of the time whenever I walked/stood up. I grew up in group homes so no porn, no starcraft. When I was like 17, I finally got privacy and access to porn. I masturbated 10 consecutively. The last one, my dick was limp but that didn't stop me. It took like 30 minutes to get the last one out. I orgasm'd and nothing came out, but I felt cancer in my arms. Like black electricity in my arms.
Rekrul is a newb
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Stim_Abuser   United States. Dec 16 2014 16:48. Posts 7499
If I cum more than 3 times a day, theres almost no chance I do anything all day.
Standard is 2x a day.
3-4 times a day if I'm with a chick who is particularly horny as fuck.
Any more than that though I got no motivation or energy to do shit.
Hey Im slinging mad volume and fat stackin benjies I dont got time for spellin n shit - skinny pete
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Floofy   Canada. Dec 16 2014 17:56. Posts 8708
On December 16 2014 12:19 Daut wrote:
clearly this thread attracts the extremes on each side of the fap/no fap debate, but i didnt imagine the divide to be:
group 1: guys who go months without fapping
group 2: guys who fap 10-12 times a day
WTF, where are the 5-10x a week people to make me feel normal
5-10x a week is how i used to be as a teen.
Now its more like 3-4x a week. But i'm purposely doing it less because i do believe too much porn is bad, but i don't have the willpower of those doing it 1x a month.
james9994: make note dont play against floofy, ;(
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whamm!   Albania. Dec 16 2014 18:26. Posts 11625
Yeah i prob do like 4 to 6 a week now. When I was playing poker though it'd be minimum 7 a week and I felt like a piece of shit each time I finished lol
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n0rthf4ce   United States. Dec 16 2014 18:52. Posts 8119
What about us guys who have never been with a girl before. What's the advice for us?
www.cardrunners.com
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PuertoRican   United States. Dec 16 2014 18:56. Posts 13047
On December 16 2014 17:52 n0rthf4ce wrote:
What about us guys who have never been with a girl before. What's the advice for us?
Just do it.
Rekrul is a newb
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Stim_Abuser   United States. Dec 16 2014 19:52. Posts 7499
On December 16 2014 17:52 n0rthf4ce wrote:
What about us guys who have never been with a girl before. What's the advice for us?
To get with a girl.
Hey Im slinging mad volume and fat stackin benjies I dont got time for spellin n shit - skinny pete
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waga   United Kingdom. Dec 16 2014 19:55. Posts 2375
or animals
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bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Dec 16 2014 20:23. Posts 8648
On December 16 2014 17:52 n0rthf4ce wrote:
What about us guys who have never been with a girl before. What's the advice for us?
i'd say to bite the bullet and go have sex with your wife, she's earned it man.
Truck-Crash Life
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Baalim   Mexico. Dec 16 2014 20:26. Posts 34250
On December 16 2014 17:52 n0rthf4ce wrote:
What about us guys who have never been with a girl before. What's the advice for us?
chemical castration, study the wonders of electromagnetic fields and vibrations invent cool stuff, go full Tesla !
Gnarly   United States. Dec 17 2014 00:02. Posts 1723
>tfw fap and still hard afterwards
Diversify or fossilize!
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[GiTM]-Ace   United States. Dec 17 2014 07:39. Posts 1585
Im gonna try to do 90 days again
[GiTM]- GoSu in the Making
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Mortensen8   Chad. Dec 17 2014 23:04. Posts 1841
Just got done with nofap lasted around a month or more.
My thoughts are that if you masturbate in excess you will quickly get bored of porn and you might get into more depraved porn. The psychological effects of this type of porn are underestimated in my opinion.
During my period of celibacy I had 4 wet dreams, twice weirdly I was not even having sex in the dream just being intimate with some female. I think I am going to stick to every 8th day from now on and if I had a girlfriend then I would only have sex with her.
Rear naked woke
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MyAnacondaDont   United States. Dec 17 2014 23:43. Posts 164
On December 16 2014 23:02 Gnarly wrote:
>tfw fap and still hard afterwards
what is this type of butt called?
“I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and they thought it was hell.”
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AndrewSong   United States. Dec 18 2014 00:42. Posts 2355
but how do you quit??
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Big_Rob_isback   United States. Dec 18 2014 02:16. Posts 211
onion booty
just playing live poker for fun
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asdf2000   United States. Dec 18 2014 02:27. Posts 7690
On December 16 2014 23:02 Gnarly wrote:
>tfw fap and still hard afterwards
what is this type of butt called?
pawg or whooty
Diversify or fossilize!
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NotSorry   United States. Dec 20 2014 18:34. Posts 2603
Always fap once before making important decisions.
On a personal note, I'm not entirely sure why but I've recently noticed over the last few months I've gone from ejaculating 7-8times(mix of fapping and sex, average since I was ~9-10) a day to only 2-3(mostly just sex, maybe 1-2faps a week sometimes missing a week or two between)
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men.