I like this guy - definitely helped a needy nerd like me to be better with chicks
I'm watching a vid from him and bam...there's a poker guy in it out of nowhere.
Poker pro since his 20s, doing speed, not learning for a year just grinding... fuck...many of you will see yourself in that story I did a bit too :O
Confidence is the the key to anything. Poker players struggle with eating poorly, doing drugs, having mentally devastating swings, all sorts of problems, and it directly effects their performance in life. I do not think this guy is a dating genius, he is probably mediocre and just wins by default because he is not fat.
I personally struggled with a lot of these problems, living at home with my parents, doing drugs, eating take out and grinding mindlessly without actually taking 1/5th of the time I spent playing into thinking about how to improve my life. My favorite Einstein quote is "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results"
The guy had a lot of good points and I think you undersold it's value in the OP tbh.
if poker is dangerous to them i would rank sports betting as a Kodiak grizzly bear who smells blood after you just threw a javelin into his cub - RaiNKhAN
On September 29 2014 18:28 casinocasino wrote:
Confidence is the the key to anything. Poker players struggle with eating poorly, doing drugs, having mentally devastating swings, all sorts of problems, and it directly effects their performance in life. I do not think this guy is a dating genius, he is probably mediocre and just wins by default because he is not fat.
I personally struggled with a lot of these problems, living at home with my parents, doing drugs, eating take out and grinding mindlessly without actually taking 1/5th of the time I spent playing into thinking about how to improve my life. My favorite Einstein quote is "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results"
FWIW thats not really a quote from Einstein and actually that is not what insanity is
On September 29 2014 18:28 casinocasino wrote:
Confidence is the the key to anything. Poker players struggle with eating poorly, doing drugs, having mentally devastating swings, all sorts of problems, and it directly effects their performance in life. I do not think this guy is a dating genius, he is probably mediocre and just wins by default because he is not fat.
I personally struggled with a lot of these problems, living at home with my parents, doing drugs, eating take out and grinding mindlessly without actually taking 1/5th of the time I spent playing into thinking about how to improve my life. My favorite Einstein quote is "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results"
FWIW thats not really a quote from Einstein and actually that is not what insanity is
I cringe when I see any video made by a "life coach" or any inspirational/motivational bullshit in general. This guy markets himself as a life coach apparently, even though he seems to almost exclusively talk about dating/seduction. But life coaches typically are insufferable people who have read a few NLP/pop psychology books and think they are enlightened and try to cash on it. It's the most shallow, trendy and useless profession ever. Want to get better at some particular skill? Hire a competent teacher. But as for living life, nobody is a competent all-around teacher that can make you be a better human being. You should be the one that's trying to improve that yourself, with real work. Reminds me of Carlin's rant on self-help books:
This is the type of people it breeds:
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
On September 30 2014 02:12 Spitfiree wrote:
tbh from what i've read and heared by dating coaches they all repeat the same things
Of course they say the same things because it's what works in this New Agey, self-improvement obsessed culture. People love being deceived. The market for it is huge, so the amount of "life coaches" multiplies by the hour, even though their so-called knowledge is just recycled pop psychology, clichés and bits of ancient wisdom that is often diluted out of existence or perverted by new age mumbo jumbo.
"Men follow only those who give them illusions. There have never been gatherings around a disillusioned." - Cioran
(I think the one exception to this is when they know the disillusioned man will make them laugh)
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
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Minsk United States. Sep 30 2014 08:09. Posts 1558
I dont know. I just fuck whores. It's easier that way.
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Minsk United States. Sep 30 2014 08:15. Posts 1558
On September 30 2014 02:45 Loco wrote:
"Men follow only those who give them illusions. There have never been gatherings around a disillusioned." - Cioran
(I think the one exception to this is when they know the disillusioned man will make them laugh)
Loco, its not because they dont make them laugh. It's because the illusioned cannot see who is disillusioned.
They must be stringed along one level at a time, and each level is an illusion in itself. Give more than that and they cannot progress.
I don't know why it's considered new agey, but regardless, personally there are frequent moments where I am dissatisfied with who I am as a person and as an employee and most of the things I read are focused on growth and self-improvement. And I'm not too sure why it's a bad thing.
These guys are like psychologists, but without the education or knowledge
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us and as we let our own lights shine we unconsciously give other people permision to do the same
On September 30 2014 08:46 mnj wrote:
"New Agey, self-improvement obsessed culture"
I don't know why it's considered new agey, but regardless, personally there are frequent moments where I am dissatisfied with who I am as a person and as an employee and most of the things I read are focused on growth and self-improvement. And I'm not too sure why it's a bad thing.
The whole self-help genre exploded during the same period as the New Age movement developed, that's why. Before that it was philosophical and religious books which people turned to for help. The self-help genre belongs to pop culture and is just as superficial as its other products. I am being critical of it for a few reasons. The main reason is because self-education is what's truly valuable, and it is what is often replaced with self-help. People consume these platitudes instead of gaining a real education. These books are not well written at all; traditional psychology and philosophy books tend to be written as impersonally as possible with the author's credibility resting on their ability to be objective and presenting well-researched material. This isn't the case with self-help. Self-help authors establish a certain relationship with you, they need you to be personally involved for them to sell you their ideas, to convert you to their beliefs, while never presenting you with anything original.
Obviously I'm not saying the desire for self-improvement itself is bad, I'm saying that if the only education you are getting is from people who are trying to sell you something, that is a problem. Could there be exceptions? People with valuable things to say within this genre? Of course, but these would consist of an extremely small percentage of the whole, and I would wager that they didn't need more than one book for it (think Balthazar Gracian's The Art of Worldly Wisdom). But the reality is that almost all of it is just as valuable as a random Deepak Chopra quote generator. They don't have anything original or relevant to say about human nature or the human condition but they keep writing useless book after useless book and doing seminar after seminar to keep the money flowing.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
7 million hands with no losing month thats pretty good i think? who is hero?
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traxamillion United States. Sep 30 2014 15:33. Posts 10468
If you have to try to be or want to become an alpha male, then you are not one and that is that.
You know or not if you are an alpha male by the time you are going through school as a teenager. Some may mature later but in this you just are what you are.
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traxamillion United States. Sep 30 2014 15:43. Posts 10468
and honestly a lot of people can be both but it depends on which group of people they are in.
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traxamillion United States. Sep 30 2014 16:02. Posts 10468
another way to explain it would be that alpha male is not a black and white binary thing.
not just alpha/beta.
it is more
alpha 10---9---8---7---6---5---4---3---2---1 beta
a continuum in which you have a static place. and some attributes at each level will tend to apply to all members. For example all 7s will be proficient with women and basically being single is for them is an option; they could find a girl fast if they wanted to. 10s are obviously swatting girls away.
so depending on where you fall on the scale you may or may not take a leading role in a group as an alpha male.
for example a 6 going out with a bunch of 4s will tend to lead the way and if it was a house party or something he most likely be the one hooking up with the cuter girl.
If that 6 went to that same party with a bunch of 9s he may not get any play at all that night because the girls decided to hook up with the 9 men instead of him. The 6 also might be more of a follower in this group.
And this ranking is based on the feelings of your peers and your counterparts towards you. Their levels of respect, appreciation, or admiration of you based on primarily looks(size/features/etc)/attraction and personality/humor/popularity. Later in life financial status, power, and position can play a role.
All of those "life" coaches, date coaches, alpha male bullshit is so fucking stupid its goes beyond my mind. Get a few good psychology books and educate yourself and you ll change your perception of the people around you in an instant. Marius recommended "Thinking fast & slow " by Daniel Kahneman to me and my mind was blown by what I've read, although I had already read a few really good ones, but this guy is a pure genius on a whole new level.
btw gizmodo took it way too far with the definition of insanity : D
On September 29 2014 18:28 casinocasino wrote:
Confidence is the the key to anything. Poker players struggle with eating poorly, doing drugs, having mentally devastating swings, all sorts of problems, and it directly effects their performance in life. I do not think this guy is a dating genius, he is probably mediocre and just wins by default because he is not fat.
I personally struggled with a lot of these problems, living at home with my parents, doing drugs, eating take out and grinding mindlessly without actually taking 1/5th of the time I spent playing into thinking about how to improve my life. My favorite Einstein quote is "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results"
FWIW thats not really a quote from Einstein and actually that is not what insanity is
I cringe when I see any video made by a "life coach" or any inspirational/motivational bullshit in general. This guy markets himself as a life coach apparently, even though he seems to almost exclusively talk about dating/seduction. But life coaches typically are insufferable people who have read a few NLP/pop psychology books and think they are enlightened and try to cash on it. It's the most shallow, trendy and useless profession ever. Want to get better at some particular skill? Hire a competent teacher. But as for living life, nobody is a competent all-around teacher that can make you be a better human being. You should be the one that's trying to improve that yourself, WITH REAL WORK. Reminds me of Carlin's rant on self-help books:
This is the type of people it breeds:
What do you mean exactly by "Real Work"?
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MARSHALL28 United States. Sep 30 2014 22:11. Posts 1897
On September 29 2014 18:28 casinocasino wrote:
Confidence is the the key to anything. Poker players struggle with eating poorly, doing drugs, having mentally devastating swings, all sorts of problems, and it directly effects their performance in life. I do not think this guy is a dating genius, he is probably mediocre and just wins by default because he is not fat.
I personally struggled with a lot of these problems, living at home with my parents, doing drugs, eating take out and grinding mindlessly without actually taking 1/5th of the time I spent playing into thinking about how to improve my life. My favorite Einstein quote is "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results"
a lot of really smart ppl have made the mistake of assuming that having confidence is what makes successful people successful.
what they aren't realizing is that confidence is just a by-product of success. that successful people had confidence because they were successful, not that they were successful because they had confidence.
On September 30 2014 14:33 traxamillion wrote:
If you have to try to be or want to become an alpha male, then you are not one and that is that.
You know or not if you are an alpha male by the time you are going through school as a teenager. Some may mature later but in this you just are what you are.
Even if you aren't naturally an alpha male, you can learn what beta behaviors turn off women and actively avoid them.
Like, let's say i want to see my gf tonight, and she's like "sorry i have homeworks to do tonight", maybe my natural reaction would be to be to tell her "please lets see each others", but i have learned to avoid this behavior and ill instead behave like i don't care.
james9994: make note dont play against floofy, ;(
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traxamillion United States. Oct 01 2014 00:13. Posts 10468
Yea you can change behaviors and improve I'm just saying some people are born more introverted than others and you can't change everything.
Here is an example of what I meant by that continuum thing. As a senior in high school I was more alpha in that social group than I was as a freshman in college in my fraternity
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traxamillion United States. Oct 01 2014 00:16. Posts 10468
Went from the top to the bottom based on who I was with
On September 29 2014 18:28 casinocasino wrote:
Confidence is the the key to anything. Poker players struggle with eating poorly, doing drugs, having mentally devastating swings, all sorts of problems, and it directly effects their performance in life. I do not think this guy is a dating genius, he is probably mediocre and just wins by default because he is not fat.
I personally struggled with a lot of these problems, living at home with my parents, doing drugs, eating take out and grinding mindlessly without actually taking 1/5th of the time I spent playing into thinking about how to improve my life. My favorite Einstein quote is "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results"
a lot of really smart ppl have made the mistake of assuming that having confidence is what makes successful people successful.
what they aren't realizing is that confidence is just a by-product of success. that successful people had confidence because they were successful, not that they were successful because they had confidence.
While you are right I somewhat disagree, if you give out the vibe that you are comfortable in your skin and believe in yourself you ll go a much longer way than an introvert. If you project success people can easily be fooled. Most people blow up their confidence because of failures and I'd say failures are success's best friend, except majority dont seem to understand that
On September 29 2014 18:28 casinocasino wrote:
Confidence is the the key to anything. Poker players struggle with eating poorly, doing drugs, having mentally devastating swings, all sorts of problems, and it directly effects their performance in life. I do not think this guy is a dating genius, he is probably mediocre and just wins by default because he is not fat.
I personally struggled with a lot of these problems, living at home with my parents, doing drugs, eating take out and grinding mindlessly without actually taking 1/5th of the time I spent playing into thinking about how to improve my life. My favorite Einstein quote is "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results"
a lot of really smart ppl have made the mistake of assuming that having confidence is what makes successful people successful.
what they aren't realizing is that confidence is just a by-product of success. that successful people had confidence because they were successful, not that they were successful because they had confidence.
confidence is not a by product of success, and success isnt a by product of confidence
Confidence helps in different degrees in different areas to achieve success, and success also helps build up confidence
On September 29 2014 18:28 casinocasino wrote:
Confidence is the the key to anything. Poker players struggle with eating poorly, doing drugs, having mentally devastating swings, all sorts of problems, and it directly effects their performance in life. I do not think this guy is a dating genius, he is probably mediocre and just wins by default because he is not fat.
I personally struggled with a lot of these problems, living at home with my parents, doing drugs, eating take out and grinding mindlessly without actually taking 1/5th of the time I spent playing into thinking about how to improve my life. My favorite Einstein quote is "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results"
FWIW thats not really a quote from Einstein and actually that is not what insanity is
I cringe when I see any video made by a "life coach" or any inspirational/motivational bullshit in general. This guy markets himself as a life coach apparently, even though he seems to almost exclusively talk about dating/seduction. But life coaches typically are insufferable people who have read a few NLP/pop psychology books and think they are enlightened and try to cash on it. It's the most shallow, trendy and useless profession ever. Want to get better at some particular skill? Hire a competent teacher. But as for living life, nobody is a competent all-around teacher that can make you be a better human being. You should be the one that's trying to improve that yourself, WITH REAL WORK. Reminds me of Carlin's rant on self-help books:
This is the type of people it breeds:
What do you mean exactly by "Real Work"?
By "real work" I simply meant investing yourself in learning the hard way. The people who only read pop psychology books or watch YouTube videos are not learning the hard way. That's more entertainment than it is work. Reading good books and doing some thinking of your own is what is challenging.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Oct 01 2014 04:21. Posts 6374
On September 29 2014 18:28 casinocasino wrote:
Confidence is the the key to anything. Poker players struggle with eating poorly, doing drugs, having mentally devastating swings, all sorts of problems, and it directly effects their performance in life. I do not think this guy is a dating genius, he is probably mediocre and just wins by default because he is not fat.
I personally struggled with a lot of these problems, living at home with my parents, doing drugs, eating take out and grinding mindlessly without actually taking 1/5th of the time I spent playing into thinking about how to improve my life. My favorite Einstein quote is "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results"
a lot of really smart ppl have made the mistake of assuming that having confidence is what makes successful people successful.
what they aren't realizing is that confidence is just a by-product of success. that successful people had confidence because they were successful, not that they were successful because they had confidence.
While you are right I somewhat disagree, if you give out the vibe that you are comfortable in your skin and believe in yourself you ll go a much longer way than an introvert. If you project success people can easily be fooled. Most people blow up their confidence because of failures and I'd say failures are success's best friend, except majority dont seem to understand that
so you cant be an introvert whos comfortable and believe in himself?
On September 30 2014 23:13 traxamillion wrote:
Yea you can change behaviors and improve I'm just saying some people are born more introverted than others and you can't change everything.
Here is an example of what I meant by that continuum thing. As a senior in high school I was more alpha in that social group than I was as a freshman in college in my fraternity
Not everyone can be Mr.Olympia, but anyone can put on muscle.
I think dating woman is similar.
I've read a lot of the game stuff and it def helped me a lot, however just like you can't be good at golf by reading books without playing, hitting on woman is somewhat similar. With time u internalize some stuff and it no longer feels like you are "faking it".
The industry is obviously as dirty and bullshit filled like the fitness one, but there is some good stuff down there.
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LemOn[5thF] Czech Republic. Oct 01 2014 09:56. Posts 15163
On September 29 2014 18:28 casinocasino wrote:
Confidence is the the key to anything. Poker players struggle with eating poorly, doing drugs, having mentally devastating swings, all sorts of problems, and it directly effects their performance in life. I do not think this guy is a dating genius, he is probably mediocre and just wins by default because he is not fat.
I personally struggled with a lot of these problems, living at home with my parents, doing drugs, eating take out and grinding mindlessly without actually taking 1/5th of the time I spent playing into thinking about how to improve my life. My favorite Einstein quote is "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results"
a lot of really smart ppl have made the mistake of assuming that having confidence is what makes successful people successful.
what they aren't realizing is that confidence is just a by-product of success. that successful people had confidence because they were successful, not that they were successful because they had confidence.
the causality goes the other way too, I remember that from a social psychology text book pretty sure there was research done on that.
EDIT: what Baal said. It's been in 2009 when I've done research on that won't pull sources now
93% Sure!
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MadeInPolanD Poland. Oct 01 2014 09:57. Posts 1383
On October 01 2014 06:21 iop wrote:
Words like "Alpha male" and "pickup community" make me want to drive a car into a wall.
On October 01 2014 06:21 iop wrote:
Words like "Alpha male" and "pickup community" make me want to drive a car into a wall.
how many of them stole you a girl? :D
Truck-Crash Life
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[GiTM]-Ace United States. Oct 01 2014 17:54. Posts 1585
Wow, I'm learning how to be an alpha male from Brett Favre. I can't believe it. Thanks man!
gotta love youtube comments haha
[GiTM]- GoSu in the Making
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traxamillion United States. Oct 01 2014 23:18. Posts 10468
Alpha male is a biological term used when talking about all kinds of species and groups. It's not necessarily a gay term unless you go around calling yourself one or try to sell people on how to become one. Replace Alpha Male with most fit (in a competitive sense) and it's the same thing.
All that PUA shit is extremely gay though and those losers don't own the term alpha
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traxamillion United States. Oct 01 2014 23:19. Posts 10468
Maybe people don't like it because they recognize themselves as beta and feel belittled by it?
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TalentedTom Canada. Oct 02 2014 00:12. Posts 20070
Delusional people very confident. Hard work, dedication, genetics are kinda huge (genetics prob being the largest). Most people who are really good at almost anything (athletes, poker players, mathematicians, speakers etc..) are naturally good at these things, however with hard work they become extremely good. Confidence helps some small %, but is a very small piece of the pie. Fear is also under-rated, it keeps you grounded and keeps you working hard. Society today is full of confident / delusional people, society is so fked up, we are told to believe if we think positively good things will happen. Global debt is record high, but who gives a shit as long as you believe everything will work out at the end, ignorance and deillusion make life very enjoyable but not realistic
I'm all for self help but it's going too far now, it's like the religion of the 21st century. People blindly believe in this shit
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us and as we let our own lights shine we unconsciously give other people permision to do the same
Seeing self help stuff from people like Deepak chopra always reminds me of this quote.
“When you confer spiritual authority on another person, you must realize that you are allowing them to pick your pocket and sell you your own watch.”
I dont know what a dt drop is. Is it a wrestling move? -Oly
^ That's a great way of putting it. Never heard this quote from Alan Watts before. His stuff is probably a good example of what people may be missing when they are reading self-help authors instead. Especially if they talk about eastern philosophy, because unlike these "teachers" he was a populariser rather than a perverter. He's a good entrance point for many people to philosophy, which once you are familiar with makes the whole concept of self-help books seem completely absurd and useless.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
On October 02 2014 02:47 Loco wrote:
Never heard this quote from Alan Watts before.
If you youtube him, and then, somewhere no the first 2 pages of result, watch all the stuff that's under 40 minutes, he says the quote in one of those lol!
My bed time ritual, is going to bed, and I put thingys in my ear, and I put on Alan watts, and fall asleep to him, he's so comfortable.
On September 30 2014 14:33 traxamillion wrote:
If you have to try to be or want to become an alpha male, then you are not one and that is that.
You know or not if you are an alpha male by the time you are going through school as a teenager. Some may mature later but in this you just are what you are.
Even if you aren't naturally an alpha male, you can learn what beta behaviors turn off women and actively avoid them.
Like, let's say i want to see my gf tonight, and she's like "sorry i have homeworks to do tonight", maybe my natural reaction would be to be to tell her "please lets see each others", but i have learned to avoid this behavior and ill instead behave like i don't care.
looks or game 2.0 here we go
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dogmeat Czech Republic. Oct 02 2014 09:06. Posts 6374
just be yourself man... unless you are a retard, then dont
On October 01 2014 03:21 dogmeat wrote:
so you cant be an introvert whos comfortable and believe in himself?
+1
guess im somewhat off, and when i think about it now a true alpha male is just the one who adapts the fastest to certain situations
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traxamillion United States. Oct 02 2014 21:50. Posts 10468
that is true tom but a positive outlook in general is going to be more beneficial than a pessimistic one. It doesn't mean you have to be blind to negative realities.
On October 02 2014 20:50 traxamillion wrote:
that is true tom but a positive outlook in general is going to be more beneficial than a pessimistic one. It doesn't mean you have to be blind to negative realities.
Of course it's beneficial, it's a mechanism that was honed by nature for a reason (so to speak), even though it "blinds to negative realities"-- it conferred a clear evolutionary advantage. It's not just about negative realities though, it's about realistic ones, which means that it can be dangerous. The optimism bias prevents people from being able to objectively assess many things, both in relation to themselves and the world they live in. There is a lot of interesting research on this topic, and yes, everyone is more or less affected by the bias. The more interesting and less talked about subject is that a pessimistic worldview can help neutralize the problems caused by the optimism bias. It encourages prudence and results in a clearer perspective (as long as it isn't the result of a bias, which it can be). It has been gaining some more attention lately though:
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
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Stroggoz New Zealand. Oct 03 2014 03:50. Posts 5296
You don't really need to do research on the optimism bias, you can just observe it happening around you all the time. I would see 'being unable to be honest' as one of the essential properties of man.
For example i often present arguments to my philosophy lecturers that they are immoral human beings. They seem to either agree with it, or say they don't know enough about the topic to criticize me. But then after they've agreed that they are immoral, they continue to live life as before. This is because it is very hard to live life honestly, I've never meet a human that can do it 100%, including myself.
There is a big political economy behind trying to remove the thought of misery, or complexity or other thoughts from people, and hence why human nature in society has headed towards a sort of 'irrational optimism'. Advertisers for example, who are the ones that basically control the media, have stated that they remove TV programming which interferes with the 'buying mood.'
I don't think pessimism or depression is a healthy attitude to have towards the huge suffering and injustices in the world. The healthy, and moral thing to do is to try and alleviate people from it, even if it seems like an impossible task it is the right thing to do. In fact i think one of the ways that might alleviate depression is with this method.
I also don't understand why some people get depressed from the cosmic insignificance of human beings. IMO, if humans weren't cosmically insignificant, the universe would be such a boring place. Science was so bad/boring before Copernicus
As for self help, i don't understand why people want so much advice from someone else to live their lives. It seems like some sort of mental sickness to me. The majority of self help books are utter trash as people have already pointed out. I believe there is one that may be good called 'the conquest of happiness', by Bertrand Russell. I haven't read it but he is usually right in his other books.
One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beings
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Hoolz_1907 United Kingdom. Oct 03 2014 12:47. Posts 2791
Floofy?
Look at his hand and equities, what do you expect him to have here, uno cards? - TianYuan
On October 03 2014 02:50 Stroggoz wrote:
You don't really need to do research on the optimism bias, you can just observe it happening around you all the time. I would see 'being unable to be honest' as one of the essential properties of man.
For example i often present arguments to my philosophy lecturers that they are immoral human beings. They seem to either agree with it, or say they don't know enough about the topic to criticize me. But then after they've agreed that they are immoral, they continue to live life as before. This is because it is very hard to live life honestly, I've never meet a human that can do it 100%, including myself.
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If anyone achieves that he will either be the perfect human being or be absolutely nuts ( and i mean medically) and i doubt i will ever meet the first type, its because our self conscious needs denial in order to exist. We are honest hypocrites and most of us don't even realize it just because its not productive. And even if you know it you just pass it by anyways
Lold toying around with the Chopra wisdom generator
Stroggos I'm curious, when you say you argued with your professors that they are immoral, did you mean by their own standards or regarding a universally true morality they should already understand?
new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man...
On October 04 2014 03:29 Baalim wrote:
pessimism is as wrong as optimism but people usually dont properly define them
In the first sense of the word which you use, the one which relates to a state of mind, pessimism is useful and does not oppose realism except in rare cases of pessimistic bias. Otherwise they are not in competition with each other, they complement each other. Both are about perspective in two different situations. In this context, realism is applied to a present situation that you have knowledge of and which you must take action upon, while pessimism places its concern in future situations which you have no knowledge of at the time. You can't be a realist with regards to the future because 1) you are invested in it, with desires, needs and beliefs and 2) you don't know anything about it, you can only imagine or expect things based on certain factors, but there is no certainty. So you either hope for the best or imagine how it could be negative or harmful. It's realistic (and preferable) to anticipate bad outcomes and to often imagine the worse that could happen, which is what pessimism consists of. It is a much healthier and prudent outlook than its opposite, and they are the only two options. We are just like other animals, acting to gratify ourselves/avoid nociceptive stimulation, so detached neutrality is not an option. The pessimist/realist won't fall prey to the best case fallacy or the just-world fallacy ('you reap what you sow'), whereas the optimist does and will be the cause of disasters. This is something the Stoics knew about and recommended people guard themselves against on a daily basis. Unlike many people think it can also be used productively (linked a video on this below). Marcus Aurelius and Seneca were good examples of that also: despite their melancholy character, they were very active men.
In the second sense of the word there is a misunderstanding about pessimism which have some people think that it's wrong and that 'realism' is the proper term, simply because they only think of it in a colloquial, state of mind way. Historically there has been two senses to the words pessimism/optimism. Many of you have seen True Detective and probably heard it there first. Cohle says, "I'd consider myself a realist, alright? But in philosophical terms I'm what's called a pessimist... I think human consciousness is a tragic misstep in evolution." (Video of that below). In philosophical terms again just like in the first sense nobody is a 'realist' in the sense that nobody is neutral about the state of the world and the human condition: everybody has some kind of position when it comes to politics and metaphysics, even the stupidest people who could not answer if they were asked have some beliefs about themselves and the world they live in, and they can be categorized as optimistic or pessimistic. A person who believes in a cosmic teleological purpose, or in social and moral progress, for example, is by definition optimistic; and there is only one contrasting position possible, which is understood to be pessimism, because it doubts or opposes the claims of optimists. A so-called realist in this context would have to be neutral and evaluate nothing and believe there are no good or bad outcomes to actions and things just are what they are and "life simply is". And unless you lived in ancient China 2600 years ago it's going to be hard to believe that you aren't full of shit if that's what you say your philosophical views are. Of course I know you don't think like this.
Philosophically, it's actually pretty similar to the agnosticism/atheism issue that a lot of people bring up. "There is no way you can be an agnostic", says the atheist who is quite confident that he can negate the existence of a great number of deities and that a non-position on their existence is ridiculous. The pessimist is, just like the atheist in this example, the one who takes a position because he is confident that the optimist is wrong and that the evidence is way too strong against their claims. There is no other option, and it would be just as absurd for the pessimist not to take a position and say he doesn't know as it is for the atheist.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
On October 04 2014 03:29 Baalim wrote:
pessimism is as wrong as optimism but people usually dont properly define them
I've found a delusional belief in myself is key on my lifting success
and the guy who won this last WCOOP said that his positivism was key to his victory... lulz
I'm quite sure you can't make that analogy lol
Quite sure I can.
having delusions of your capabilities is in no way better than having realistic ones, In which way could it possibly lead to better results?
It doesnt, and even if it did holding a belief for its uses and not because its true its pathetic and dishonest and actually that mindset is a plague in this world and one of the reasons why myth and stupidity triumph constantly over truth and reason
this thread is too long with too much nonsense, i just want to know if the poker player in the video is leatherass. sounds a lot like him imo. brags about poker accomplishments, middle aged married guy, seems depressed
NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut
On October 04 2014 03:29 Baalim wrote:
pessimism is as wrong as optimism but people usually dont properly define them
I've found a delusional belief in myself is key on my lifting success
and the guy who won this last WCOOP said that his positivism was key to his victory... lulz
I'm quite sure you can't make that analogy lol
Quite sure I can.
having delusions of your capabilities is in no way better than having realistic ones, In which way could it possibly lead to better results?
It doesnt, and even if it did holding a belief for its uses and not because its true its pathetic and dishonest and actually that mindset is a plague in this world and one of the reasons why myth and stupidity triumph constantly over truth and reason
Because it impacts on your behavior. The mind controls the body and the belief placebo effect is incredible.
When doing multiple sets and your body feels like shit, you need that delusional confidence to keep plowing trough. I'm quite sure that happens on pretty much any sport that requires physical exertion.
"Like I stated earlier, however, you’re not going to become a Superman overnight, and
it’s not going to be an easy road. Start by changing your mindset when you’re entering
the gym. When you walk into the gym, you need to flip a switch in your head and
decide that you feel indomitable, like an immovable object, a force that cannot
possibly be opposed. (...), you just need to determine how to create a mindset in which
you’re so infused with positive aggression and overall positivity that you feel invincible."
Jamie Lewis, World record holder last year.
This is way different than being a moron and you can meditate your way to lifting more weight.
I'm a realist in how I evaluate the world and usually agree with you, the delusional mindset is an emotional thing; it's how you need to feel to excel.
I've been lifting for so long now that by merely looking at people lift I can tell if they have the mindset to keep progressing or not when shit gets tough.
Nonsense you can see many elite athletes with a stoic mindset that dont need retarded delusions, see Fedor for example, you wont see him saying stupid shit like "im unstoppable, im a beast bla bla" he just goes and does what it needs to be done
On October 06 2014 00:42 Baalim wrote:
Nonsense you can see many elite athletes with a stoic mindset that dont need retarded delusions, see Fedor for example, you wont see him saying stupid shit like "im unstoppable, im a beast bla bla" he just goes and does what it needs to be done
Not everyone thinks the same way as you Baal. Stop being close minded
On October 06 2014 00:42 Baalim wrote:
Nonsense you can see many elite athletes with a stoic mindset that dont need retarded delusions, see Fedor for example, you wont see him saying stupid shit like "im unstoppable, im a beast bla bla" he just goes and does what it needs to be done
Fedor gets out of bed in the morning because of his faith in God. What were you saying?
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
On October 06 2014 00:42 Baalim wrote:
Nonsense you can see many elite athletes with a stoic mindset that dont need retarded delusions, see Fedor for example, you wont see him saying stupid shit like "im unstoppable, im a beast bla bla" he just goes and does what it needs to be done
Fedor gets out of bed in the morning because of his faith in God. What were you saying?
He also said on another interview that he didn't always had food as a kid, and he see his opponent as someone trying to make his family starve again.
Yeah, I remember hearing something to that effect. That's negative visualization right there-- pessimism. Very effective motivational tool, like I said.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
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Stroggoz New Zealand. Oct 08 2014 01:10. Posts 5296
On October 04 2014 13:28 lebowski wrote:
Lold toying around with the Chopra wisdom generator
Stroggos I'm curious, when you say you argued with your professors that they are immoral, did you mean by their own standards or regarding a universally true morality they should already understand?
Both maybe? Not too sure. I've never even studied ethics... but my moral arguments are extremely basic ones that 12 year old children can understand. I would like to eventually study ethics, but its low down on my list at the moment because its not necessary to study it at a deep level when the worlds problems is pretty much made up of people breaking moral principles that children can understand. An example of basic moral principles would be something like hypocrisy.
One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beings
On October 06 2014 00:42 Baalim wrote:
Nonsense you can see many elite athletes with a stoic mindset that dont need retarded delusions, see Fedor for example, you wont see him saying stupid shit like "im unstoppable, im a beast bla bla" he just goes and does what it needs to be done
Fedor gets out of bed in the morning because of his faith in God. What were you saying?
Faith is stupid but it doesnt get in any way of stoicism, in fact some old school faith of surrendering to the will of your god is a form of stoicism, but you know this and you are just trolling
I'm only half-teasing. I do think that after a thorough philosophical investigation we do see that motivation and illusion go hand in hand. I feel it's also hard to separate a man and his character from his faith (or lack thereof). Not that faith is necessary to be a good man or a resilient man, of course.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
Of course they say the same things because it's what works in this New Agey, self-improvement obsessed culture. People love being deceived. The market for it is huge, so the amount of "life coaches" multiplies by the hour, even though their so-called knowledge is just recycled pop psychology, clichés and bits of ancient wisdom that is often diluted out of existence or perverted by new age mumbo jumbo.
Of course they say the same things because it's what works in this New Agey, self-improvement obsessed culture. People love being deceived. The market for it is huge, so the amount of "life coaches" multiplies by the hour, even though their so-called knowledge is just recycled pop psychology, clichés and bits of ancient wisdom that is often diluted out of existence or perverted by new age mumbo jumbo.
Of course they say the same things because it's what works in this New Agey, self-improvement obsessed culture. People love being deceived. The market for it is huge, so the amount of "life coaches" multiplies by the hour, even though their so-called knowledge is just recycled pop psychology, clichés and bits of ancient wisdom that is often diluted out of existence or perverted by new age mumbo jumbo.
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Liquid`Drone Norway. Oct 20 2014 10:54. Posts 3093
On October 04 2014 03:29 Baalim wrote:
pessimism is as wrong as optimism but people usually dont properly define them
I've found a delusional belief in myself is key on my lifting success
and the guy who won this last WCOOP said that his positivism was key to his victory... lulz
I'm quite sure you can't make that analogy lol
Quite sure I can.
having delusions of your capabilities is in no way better than having realistic ones, In which way could it possibly lead to better results?
It doesnt, and even if it did holding a belief for its uses and not because its true its pathetic and dishonest and actually that mindset is a plague in this world and one of the reasons why myth and stupidity triumph constantly over truth and reason
optimism on behalf of the self is like, the one mindset which greatly positively influences performance. The better you think you will do, the better you do. It doesn't transfer to poker because poker is luck based, but for sports, or any type of performance? a job interview? Or even any type of new learning situation.. Entering the situation thinking you will succeed greatly increases the probability that you do. Of course, there's an element where having mastered something breeds optimism, so there's a slight amount of chicken vs egg thingy going on, but overall there are very strong ties between a positive mentality and performance.
I'm all with you that this type of self-delusion is negative though, because I think happiness is a higher goal than performance, and happiness is basically reality minus expectation. But there are aspects of positive psychology that can immensely useful when trying to form a good learning environment; this is why mostly all games and education become gradually more challenging. The impression that "I can't do this" is such a hurdle that people don't even try, often when they actually could do it. The impression that "I can do this" on the other end is motivation to keep on trying even when you can't. Which can be negative - but not when trying to maximize performance.
Canada. Sep 30 2014 10:53. Posts 20070
